Sid: My guest Bob Larson has devoted his life to understanding world religions and alternative spirituality. I asked him a question before we went on the air and I was actually shocked Bob Larson over your answer. And the question was “Did you hire researchers to research all of these 100’s of religions that you have in this brand new book of yours and what did you say to me?”
Bob: No I’ve done all the research on it, I probably have the most voluminous library of any Christian in the country; personal library on cult, occult and all sorts of spiritual phenomena. I just made it a point to collect of this through the years I’m sitting here right now and I could just walk over and pick up the biggest Free Mason Bible you ever found. (Laughing)
Sid: Well, let’s talk about that. What is wrong; I mean most people have a relative who’s a Mason. I had an uncle who was a Mason and he tried so hard to get me in and I’m so glad I didn’t go into it. What was I spared?
Bob: Well, first of all it is a religion though they claim not to be a religion but it’s a godless religion and in fact it’s a Luciferian religion. In American Free Masonry particularly Scot…
Sid: But wait a second if you talk to the average Mason they’ll say you’re off your rocker because they never heard anything about Lucifer the devil in their religion. Isn’t it true that you have to get high up before you realize the source?
Bob: Yes, you got to get 32nd degree and higher before you’re going to know what’s going on. But Albert Pike who is the godfather of American Free Masonry was an avowed Luciferian and Satan worshiper. And he makes no bones about this and I’ve read his books; there’s a real danger though are the vows and the oaths spoke in secret even at the earliest enter apprenticeship degree. So anybody who has gotten into the lodge has had to speak a death oath over their lives and swear fidelity to Free Mason Brothers above family members. And will not reveal to you what goes on in the lodge on penalty of death.
Sid: Now is there any connection between Mormonism and Masons?
Bob: Oh absolutely. Joseph Smith, Jr. borrowed his whole religious concept from Free Masonry. All the secret rituals in the Mormon temple were originally Free Mason rituals that’s why the Masons and the Mormons hate each other so much is because the Mason’s say “You stole our religion.”
Sid: But wait a second if Masons, which you explained so beautifully in your book, is Luciferian, Lucifer the devil are you saying that Mormonism teaches that too?
Bob: It has for a number of years only because others like me have taken a stand against this have they changed some of the secret ceremonies in the Mormon temple and overtly taken Lucifer out of it. But he used to be there in all of the endowment ceremonies.
Sid: I’ll tell you Mishpochah you really need his book; where he talks about all of these different religions. Here’s a section on Zen Buddhism, a section of Christian Science; I’m just opening it at random. Christian Science, a section on Karate? Wait a second their Christians that are involved in Karate Bob.
Bob: Not all martial arts are evil, but the danger is that if you have the wrong teacher who has the wrong tradition they can lead you very subtly beyond the athletic and physical prowess aspects into other things and you need to know what the guidelines are before you get into it.
Sid: What about, and I was really shocked to see this in your book and maybe I should not have been, one of the categories you have is Native American Religion.
Bob: Well, Native American Religions involved in various forms and traditions self-mutilation and torture ceremonies to obtain spirituality. The use of drugs and hallucinogens to alter the consciousness, and on vision quest and other aspects of seeking spirituality looked for spirit guides. So through totems, through animals, and through various forms or other worldly beings, most Indians end up with spirit guides. We have our new center in Arizona and we’ve had a number of people come over here from the Navaho reservations nearby and get deliverance from these animal spirits.
Sid: Let’s talk a little bit about some of these metaphysical things that are so popular today they call them self-help courses, transcendental meditation doctors are recommending it to lower your blood pressure and your cholesterol. What’s wrong with TM?
Bob: Well, first of all when you get into transcendental meditation you’re given a mantra the mantra often is the name of a Hindu god although because of public criticism they’ve gotten away from that somewhat. You pay homage to the maharishi, to guru Dev his spiritual master and the other linage of eastern god man so you enter into a form of adultery. And then by detaching yourself through the recitation of these mantras you really open yourself up for demonic invasion. I’ve done exorcisms and deliverances on scores and scores of people that have come out of TM. I did one one yesterday, not yesterday, but a couple of weeks ago on a man who was one of the highest best known instructors in the entire TM movement. Sid I wish you could have seen what happened when I placed a Bible on his forehead and said “In the Name of Christ I come against the psychic third eye of the seventh chakra in transcendental meditation.” That guy flew out of his chair and he said “What in the world happened I just felt like an electric shock going through my body?”
Sid: Hmm.
Bob: He was delivered from that but he didn’t understand what he had gotten into, it’s very dangerous.
Sid: You know what I find fascinating and I was actually looking at one of the categories in your book and it’s called because I knew what it was “Metropolitan Community Church” that’s the homosexual church.
Bob: Yes.
Sid: But the history of it was fascinating, this guy started out as a real Christian just like Jim Jones started out as a real Christian.
Bob: Yeah, oh yeah he was a Pentecostal Preacher. In fact that’s one of the ways the church grew so rapidly in beginning is that it was so highly charismatic. Of course the gay community loved the emotion charged nature of the services. Now they branched off also into more liturgical gay congregations but the real seed of that… listen I have been in Metropolitan Community Church services that if you didn’t look around and see the drag queens you would think that you’re in the most spiritually charged charismatic church in town.
Sid: And you know what I have had, I hate to use the word, but I have debates with a Jewish homosexual friend of mine and they are so blind. I show them the scripture and they don’t even respond. But at least in your book you put the apologetics of why they believe homosexuality is acceptable but they still don’t make any sense.
Bob: Well it doesn’t but you still have to at least have to understand where they’re coming from. You know you can’t march down the street that says “Gays are going to Hell” that doesn’t get you anywhere. (Laughing)
Sid: Hmm, of all of the cults and occult groups that you’ve listed hundreds which one intrigues you the most? I don’t know that that’s a fair question but…
Bob: I don’t know that if intrigue would be the right word but the ones that I think that I find the most deceptive and the most dangerous are the ones who cozy up to Christianity. We’ve always talked about some of them. The Free Masons, the Mormons, and of course the miracles I find it interesting how these groups the Church Universal in Triumphant.
Sid: How about Louis Farrakhan they mix the Bible with what they believe but what they believe is so diametrically opposed to the teachings of Jesus.
Bob: All of these groups borrow just enough from Christianity to make people who have some Christian background comfortable and then they overlay it with their own particular doctrine of demons but they don’t tell you that up front. I’m sure you know that groups like the Mormon Church and others specifically target lukewarm or former Christians.
Sid: Listen there is, and this is a new one for you, probably there are a group of traditional rabbis that go after Jewish people that have become believers in Jesus and their fulltime profession is talk them out of their faith because the say “These are the best potential Jews, they’re just misguided.”
Bob: (Laughing) Well that’s the same philosophy the Mormon’s have; absolutely, the same way with the Jehovah Witnesses they don’t want absolute pagans they want people who know enough about Christianity to be dangerous but not enough to defend their faith. And that’s why I wrote the book so that we can be ready as Peter said “To give an answer to everyone that asks the reason of the hope that is within us.”
Tags: its supernatural, Sid Roth
Tags: its supernatural, Sid Roth