SID: Hello, Sid Roth your investigative reporter here with Dr. Larry Bates and we’re saying that Larry is not a doom and gloom man. Just because we’ve been talking about, it’s not about if there will be terrorism in the United States, everyone recognizes the question is, when there will be terrorism. It’s not if there will be natural disasters, everyone recognizes it is a question of when there will be natural disasters. It’s not if the housing market explodes and goes south, it’s not if, it’s when this is going to happen. But Larry, you’re very optimistic, however, there’s another thing I’ve been reading about and that is some of these foreign countries are literally buying up major companies, major – buying ports for shipping, buying oil companies, they’re trying to buy the assets of America. Is this good? Give me an example of what’s going on.

LARRY: All right, for example what we have is, where did their money come from? They have been financing our trade deficit. We’ve been buying their cheap goods, importing their cheap goods, we’ve been giving them our Federal Reserve notes which we call cash. They are holding this cash and now they have decided, “Hey we have quite enough cash. So what do we do with it?” They want to come back and buy the real assets of America. For an example we saw the Chinese owned oil company, Chinese government owned oil company, trying to buy Unical, in the United States Unical board rebuffed them, went, leaning toward the Chevron offer, I think you are going to see the Chinese up the ante. Trying to buy Maytag for an example, Whirlpool has come in to try to counter that offer but –

SID: Okay look, they have the cash; let’s face it, because everything operates just about by greed, anyone’s going to be willing to sell at the right price. Let’s assume that these countries are successful in buying some of our best assets in America. What is wrong with that?

LARRY: Well would you want to sell one of our strategic, when we are so dependent upon energy in this country, would you want to sell one of our largest oil companies to a state owned, government owned oil company to a government whose head of their war college said the other day said, “We may nuke the United States if they interfere with -” You know it makes no sense for our national sovereignty or our national security. But see this is where you find yourself in, is, you find yourself in a condition where you have borrowed money, and as the Bible says the borrower is servant to the lender, and here’s the fine fix we find ourselves in.

SID: Well, why is it, and help me understand this, why is it this Johnny come lately, if you will, Euro, actually exceeds the value of the US dollar, there were times I could go on vacation with the US dollar and live like a king because it bought more than the Euro. Now it’s reversed, how come?

LARRY: Well, people are looking for economic stability and for a period of time it was perceived that Europe was more stable economically and people were moving from the dollar to the Euro. Now had it not been for the Socialist led governments of Europe, they’ve messed their own economies up, and we’ve gotten a bit of reprieve, probably not for long, but we have a reprieve, and we have all currencies of the world are in crisis.
Since 1971 when we repudiated the Gretenwoods agreement, we went off of honest money, we, every economic crisis, 181 of them Sid, 181 economic crisis have all been currency crisis. To give you an example, the Asian economic crisis in the mid-nineties, to give you an example of what does this mean for the average person, we saw in the country Indonesia, their currency called the repia, went from 2000 repia to the dollar, to 16000 repia to the dollar.

SID: That’s quite an inflation.

LARRY: Now, one of my clients in Indonesia was a family- owned company, employed about 3000 people, a manufacturing concern. The only problem they had was they had loans payable to Citibank in New York, and payable in dollars, and their currency, their goods were being sold domestically, in repia. They could not make their loan payments, they defaulted. And I talked with them about a year later, Citibank had sent a new partner to them. I asked them, “Are you still in business?” Yes. Factory still operating? Yes. Three thousand employees? Yes. Raw materials coming in, finished product going out? Yes. What’s changed? Ownership.” He said, “We now only have a 20 percent stake in a fifty year old family company.” See wealth is not destroyed it is simply transferred, and money is the transfer agent, so this is why we have to understand money, the function of money, who controls it, what drives it, how debt is involved, it is so important that people understand the times.

SID: So what does the average person do that’s got a little money in the bank, a little money in mutual funds, a pension program, this super inflation on their house and they say “Well my major asset is my house.” But let’s suppose that some of these things like natural disasters occur, like terrorism occur; like all of a sudden the price of real estate worth twenty cents on the dollar, is there a way for the average person to be involved in this wealth transfer. Dr. Larry Bates says yes. When we come back we’ll tell you specific strategy; supernatural strategy. Don’t go away.

SID: Hello, Sid Roth, your investigative reporter here with Dr. Larry Bates. Outrageous to believe the greatest country in the world, the United States of America, is heading rapidly to becoming what is known as a third world country. Sound outrageous to you, maybe not, my guest Dr. Larry Bates as been a state legislator, a CEO of a bank, he has been studying banking, finance, money for many years. Larry, are you a doom and gloom type of individual? I mean the US is headed to becoming a third world country?

LARRY: No, I’m excited about the future Sid.

SID: You’re excited that we’re going to become?… I’ve been to third world countries, Larry, I’m not so excited.

LARRY: Well, I’m excited for those who understand the times and have the discernment of what to do because you know the Bible tells us in the last days the wealth of the wicked is going to be transferred to the righteous. The good news is this, in periods of economic crisis, or even in economic collapse, wealth is not destroyed, it is simply transferred, and money is the transfer agent.

SID: And as I understand the scriptures, especially coming from a Jewish background; the Tanach. it’s when Israel did right, they were blessed in every possible arena of life.

LARRY: That’s right.

SID: And so, under the new covenant how much more will those that are walking in intimacy with God – But before we get to the wealth transfer, because you see this wealth transfer is where you put your money, and I’ll tell you something, that’s a pretty tough question. What about real estate? I pick up the newspaper; I hear trailers in Hawaii are going for close to a million dollars. I mean this is craziness Larry, what is going on in real estate?

LARRY: Well what is happening is you have is a lot of money that is chasing a limited amount of houses, and you have low interest rates. People are buying more house than they ordinarily could afford. And the good news is this, none of what is happening today has caught God by surprise, He’s not having an anxiety attack over what’s going on planet earth. And if we want to understand the times, we have to press into His wisdom. It is supernaturally discerned. You see, the natural mind out there listening and viewing right now doesn’t understand what we’re talking about. It is spiritually discerned, First Corinthians 2.

SID: Now because of your background in economics, banking, and money, let me ask you, why do you feel, and most people do feel this way, that the real estate market, especially houses, it’s a big bubble that is going to burst at some point, most people recognize that, they’re just greedy and they’re saying, “Well, tomorrow – I want it to keep going up, ten, twenty percent a year.” Uh why, you said something about money is easy to come by, explain that.

LARRY: It really is. The good news about real estate is that a third of all homes in America are paid for. No mortgage.

SID: Now that’s an interesting statistic. If you had said, ‘Sid, guess how many are paid for with no mortgage,” no way would I have come up with that high a percentage.

LARRY: But the two-thirds that have a mortgage, they are in pretty bad shape. We have a lot of banks that are just pushing money out the door, people are no down payment, even their closing cost are being paid for, we have a lot of this exotic financing, creative financing, reverse mortgages, interest only mortgages –

SID: What’s a reverse mortgage, I’ve heard about that?

LARRY: Reverse mortgage is where you have a level payment, even though interest rates go up on an adjustable rate mortgage, you have a level payment and then you are adding to the balance of your mortgage all the time as interest rates go up, you have a balloon.

SID: And well, the balloon means that at some point you are going to pay the price and what happens if someone’s salary is going up, you know, cost of living, but all of a sudden you bump into that balloon payment, then there’s no way you’re going to come up with that money.

LARRY: that’s exactly right, remember this, the only difference between those in the ghetto and those in the suburb is their line of credit and their ability to service that line of credit.

SID: Speaking of credit, it’s not only with houses, the United States of America owes a great deal of money, it’s at historic highs, what is this?

LARRY: What we are doing, our total domestic debt is plus or minus seventeen trillion dollars, that includes the federal government debt, state and county municipal debt, corporal debt, mortgage debt and consumer debt all put in one big pile. Now here’s the problem, we have a debt-based economy, we have a debt based monetary system, and we have a lot of people in my profession of economics that say well you know the United
States ability to borrow is unlimited by definition, but let me tell you this, as a former banker, I can tell you this, that a person’s capacity to borrow is predicated upon their creditors confidence in their ability to repay. And our trade deficit, we have twin deficits, we have the budget deficit, we have a trade deficit. Our trade deficit Sid, is consuming 2.4 to 2.5 billion every working day. Now to put that in perspective, that is 80 percent – eight zero, eighty percent of the entire world savings. My question is, “Is that sustainable?” I don’t think so.

SID: Well, but as long as we’re a great country and there is something behind our white paper and green ink, but you say no, there isn’t.

LARRY: Well, the only thing behind our white paper and green ink is over inflated value of assets. And when you have over inflated value of assets and you cut off the money supply, and Sid, one of these times in order to keep the dollar from collapsing, the Federal Reserve will raise interest rates even more drastically and a lot of people, you see capital is always looking for a home, and it looks for two things, either political stability or economic stability. We have this other mix of terrorism, natural disasters, all of these could be catalysts that would precipitate a decline of the dollar –

SID: What would happen if some of the people that lend us money all of a sudden said we’re not lending you money anymore, would that hurt us?

LARRY: Well, by the same token, let’s say you have a company out here, their banker pulls their line of credit, what happens? They go under. We will go under –

SID: But we can keep printing up money.

LARRY: Well we can print up money, but we then get in the situation of hyperinflation.

SID: You know this does not sound really good to me, I don’t know about you. But, Larry says he’s not doom and gloom, He’s only doom and gloom for those that do not have wisdom. We’re going to be talking when we come right back about not natural wisdom because natural wisdom can’t solve what’s going to happen to the housing market, can’t solve the fact that most Americans are a paycheck away from filing bankruptcy, can’t solve the problem of hyperinflation, can’t solve the problem of terrorism, can’t solve the problem of what the world calls natural disasters. But there are answers, and it’s not bad, it’s good. Don’t go away we’ll be right back after this word.

SID: Outrageous. My guest in the car ride here to the studio brought up something, I mean this is the world’s foremost expert in cults, in deliverance, in the occult, his name is Bob Larson, you have probably seen him on television, and I can understand him going after something like Harry Potter, I mean that’s a no brainer, but the Chronicles of Narnia? I mean good versus evil, I mean actually the gospel in an allegorical form with this lion, and getting, I mean Hollywood has been so corrupt for so many years and now we are finally getting something talking about good things and feel good movies and, so Bob Larson, why do you say that it’s not a godly movie?

BOB: You’ve got a good argument, you’re almost convincing me. SID: Good, well we’ll go to another subject.

BOB: Everything you say is true. And allegorically although Lewis warned don’t read too much into it. You know, C.S. Lewis said, “At times it was the gospel, and at times it wasn’t the gospel.” Nobody knows what he really meant and really intended but the problem that I have is that it crosses over a line in that you have a number of characters and beings in there, intaurs, centaurs, incubi spirits, and many of these beings are actually on the side of good and the worst of which is Mr. Tunis this fawn sater, who is half goat, half human, he is the good guy on the good side, this is the classical, historic, in Satanism representation of Lucifer.

SID: So you mean someone that is in Satanism would go to that movie and get even more excited than a Christian?

BOB: Well they would at least identify with that character and get a little bit of a chuckle that the theater is filled with Christians who are there thinking it is an allegorical presentation of the gospel when you’ve got the personification of Lucifer on the screen hopping around in cloven hooves, I mean there is some confusion here and you can’t just send kids who are Christians to that movie without an antiquate explanation.

SID: Okay, here’s what I hear you say Bob, what I hear you saying that it is pushing Christianity a little further away from Biblical Godly positions so that perhaps the next one might push them over the edge.

BOB: It is a very dangerous thing to eclectically mix the gospel and any sort of Christian truths with things that are outright demonic. Now I can’t read C.S. Lewis’s mind, I don’t know what he was thinking at the time. He was an Oxford scholar; he studied the classic literature modes, and maybe to him it was something that was archetypal.
It was philosophical, but in a world in which sorcery and witchcraft and the occult are so prevalent, and seducing so many of our young people today, I think it’s a dangerous step over the mark, and any Christian parent who is going to say their kid should go see this movie they had better be aware of what they are seeing.

SID: Okay, Bob Larson was recently in New Zealand and was conducting a meeting and there was a man by the name of Shane who literally was abused by his father at knifepoint as a child, horrible situation, I want you to see what happens when Bob actually picks him out in the audience and begins to move with the power of God. Let’s go to that clip.

What’s your first name sir? Shane, Huh? Shane, are you with him? What’s your relationship? Engaged, Engaged? I saw in the spirit a separation from the angry parts, you’re angry Shane. Tonight I came here expecting something to happen to be more freer. What happened? Who do you hate and why? My father. What did your father do? He raped me and handed me off to a friend. He raped you and what? Handed you off to a friend? What did you say? He put a knife to your throat. He put a knife to your throat and raped you, your own father. No wonder you want to kill him, I’d want to kill him too; he deserves to die. I just felt so much rage, just so much hate, so much anger, resentment, retaliation, Look at me. You’re a good man Shane. Your father did a bad thing. He did it because somebody did it to him and the curse that goes way back. Something that evil could only be the result of a long embedded curse. You are here tonight because God is going to set you free if you let Him right now. I’m going to take you through a couple of processes. Look at me. I take the sword of the spirit and I divide soul and spirit and I divide shame of man from the shame of the boy. I want the little boy who was raped, I want you look at me. Don’t be ashamed to look at me, your daddy is a mean daddy, he is a very bad daddy and he is doing something very bad and you don’t like it do you? It hurts and you hate what he’s doing, and he hates what he is doing to you, don’t you? Don’t you? He’s bad, isn’t he? A lot of that is just to do with the anger that was built up in, and I guess I was, was just like a ticking time bomb man ready to explode. It’s okay; it’s okay. I’m sorry for what daddy did. We need to get rid of this thing, now here’s what you have, you gotta do now; you gotta fight. I know the hurt is there, I know the tendency is to slip back into this depressed, defeated, anguished state, but now you are a soldier to fight, you left an ax in the car, so I’m going to give you a sword instead. And that’s what we are going to fight with. We are going to fight with that sword. Who are you, your name; your name spirit? Your name spirit, who are you? Answer me, Jezebel. How many generations do you go back Jezebel? Plenty. How many generations, how many? Don’t touch him stand back please. Twelve. How many? Twelve. And what happened twelve generations ago? Answer me Jezebel, what happened twelve generations ago? Rape and murder. Rape and murder. I loose the dogs of Jezeel on you Jezebel and I bind you to murder and perversion of all of your kind. The curse is broken Jezebel. Get out of this one. Get out The curse is broken. Renounce every right to this child of God. Say this child of God, admit he’s a child of God. Say this child of God: Jezebel. Say this child of God child of God, say it. Say we lift the curse on him and future generations Say for what we did we receive seven times greater the judgment of Almighty God. Receive it, receive it Jezebel; receive it! Receive the judgment of God.
For every child that was molested, for every one that was murdered receive the judgment. Give it to him now. There is a reason I’m provoking this thing and making it do this, get out fully Jezebel, out fully. Now you are getting weaker. Now say where are you going to go? Say the pit. Come out of him, come out. The sign of the cross: in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. We pray for you to be full of the Holy Spirit, enter in place of what was there with the presence of the Almighty God. Be filled with the Holy Spirit. We receive it. We receive it in Jesus name. Everybody said amen. Shane, now I want a real hug. Tonight has been great. God is really real, He set me free. I just feel unbelievably freer and am looking forward to what He’s got in store for me in the future.

SID: Bob, that was a pretty powerful man, and I actually saw him trying to swing at you, aren’t you a little afraid when you are involved in deliverance like that?

BOB: No, no I’m not. I’ve done more exorcisms than anybody on the planet and I’m still very much alive and well, I’ve had my ribs broken, I’ve been scratched, gouged, bloodied, but I am doing fine thank you.

SID: Question, what was he like, I saw the video, what was he like afterwards, what did he say?

BOB: It was really amazing, in fact one of the most interesting things we found out when this whole thing was over with; he said I need to take you to my car. So he took us to his car and pulled out an ax. He said I had this ax, I was on my way to murder somebody, I couldn’t take it anymore; I was going to kill. And he said I don’t need this anymore, take the ax. So I took the ax and I handed it to one of the pastors that was there. This was a Christian man; this was a man struggling to love God but so eaten up with rage inside for this horrible thing that his father did to him. And in coming back to what we said a little earlier, let me just point out something, when you deal with the devil like I do, when you are constantly having these power encounters with the forces of darkness, that’s why you take everything much more seriously than the average Christian would.

SID: All right, let me ask you this, Howard Stern, well maybe the Howard Stern of Australia, what do you think would happen if Bob Larson has a one on one encounter with the Howard Stern of Australia? Don’t go away, we’ll be right back after this word.

SID: Bob I don’t get it. I just saw this deliverance you did, now you go to a man that is one of the most filthy foulmouthed people, the Howard Stern of Australia if you will, you are sitting next to him just like me, you’re a real glutton, why did you do this?

BOB: Why not do it? I mean why not step right into – why not be Daniel going into the den?

SID: Let’s go to that clip right now.

Woman: We are here in the studio, Carl is currently getting perked because he is having an exorcism in just a moment; we have Bob Larson here who is the exorcist.
Bob: His parents who should have protected him, loved him and affirmed him did not, and then they handed him over to the devil. Then when he was fourteen, he sealed the deal.
Woman: Do you believe that Carl?
Carl: Yeah I do actually. Have you ever seen anything? You’ve known me for years, have you seen anything?
Woman: I’ve seen two sides to Carl, I see a really beautiful person and
Bob: Absolutely
Woman: The nicest person you could ever know and again I will see what I think is the devil.
Carl: What do you see?
Woman: I see evilness.
Carl: Bearing in mind we are on the radio, and all you can do is hear, when I look at Bob I can’t actually speak.
Woman: From what is that a sign of Bob?
Carl: All I can feel is shaking inside.
Woman: It’s stirring it up.
Bob: Yeah, it’s stirring it up, it doesn’t want to show up. Last thing in the world it wants to do is show up right here on the radio station right now.

SID: Bob, I mean, you got, we Jewish people have a word, it’s called “chutzpa” it means nerve!

BOB: I think I got it!

SID: So what happened after this deliverance on national, I assume it was on national radio?

BOB: Oh, national radio, the whole country heard it. You know this guy is known for this, you know chewing people and spitting them out. I walked in there he was like a puppy dog, he was scared, he was actually frightened.

SID: I saw.

BOB: It wasn’t me, it was the power of God proceeding me, and I just confronted him about his issues, his life, his demons and everything. And I started praying over him and he froze and couldn’t speak. Just literally could not speak. God just froze him on the spot, shut his mouth, and he literally could not say a word.
And afterwards I shared Christ with him off the air, as I was leaving the studio another guy walked up who was one of the people involved as a producer and he said I’ve been witnessing to this guy, I’ve been sharing Christ with him. So it was a God encounter, what it shows me when you are unembarrassed by the power of God and you walk in the middle of where the devil is, God honors it.

SID: Listen, we both know Australia is a very, very ungodly country. This is the most foulmouthed person in Australia. What repercussion did it have on the nation?

BOB: Well everywhere we went, all of our seminars were packed, it opened up all the media, I was in every major radio and television show in the country, secular, because they heard about this and they knew this. You can drive in any city in Australia and there are huge billboards of this guy, he is a household name.

SID: Okay, let’s come back to the United States here for a minute, known as a “quote” Christian country, what is happening here? There is a proliferation of cults, occult groups, pseudo-Christian groups, what’s going on?

BOB: We’re in a post-Biblical age, there is no moral consensus anymore about what the spiritual foundations of this country are all about, you see if from the Supreme Court to everyday decisions in our public schools, and as a result of that the devil has free reign to basically do what he wants to do with only the restraint of the salt of the earth of God’s people left.

SID: What’s happening with, let’s take as an example, Islam in the United States?

BOB: What’s interesting to me is that after 911, sales of the Koran went up. There is now more accommodation of Islam than ever before, and it’s ironic that you are I are paying tax-payers dollars to make sure that the people who want to kill us have a prayer map and an arrow pointing where to bow. This is nuts, this is nuts!

SID: Now listen, a lot of people understand about Islam, but do you understand the roots of Mormonism? Do you understand the roots of Masons? I tell you something, very few people understand this. I’m so glad that Bob Larson wrote this book, we’ll be talking about it. It’s called “Larson’s Book of World Religions and Alternative Spirituality.” We do have the goods now, be right back after this word.

SID: Now listen; Presidents of the United States, the most powerful people in the world are Masons. I know that they are strong Christians. I don’t get it Bob Larson. What is wrong with being a Mason? That’s just a fraternal order.

BOB: Well that’s what most people would like to think, but I would challenge any Mason who happens to be watching us right now to step forward and tell us the oaths and the vows that he has taken and spoken behind the closed doors of the lodge and they will not do it because they speak the most bloodthirsty of curses upon them and anyone else who ever reveals what they teach in the lodge, they speak death, suicide and murder in the lodge. Now it may be symbolic as they argue, but the fact is there is no such thing as symbolically calling death down on your own head, that’s a dangerous thing to do.

SID: You mean if they divulge something,

BOB: I mean if they divulge that, they vow themselves you know to have their tongue ripped out, guts disembowel, horrible things.

SID: Who’s the spiritual head of Masons?

BOB: Lucifer, ultimately Lucifer.

SID: And is that your opinion?

BOB: The worshipful master, look, most of the founding fathers of Freemasonry were Luciferiers. Albert Pike is the most revered Freemason in America, and founder of the American tradition, he was an avowed Luciferiers, I have his books, I have read them; he says Lucifer is God.

SID: Yes but then so how could a real Christian be involved in that if they know the head is Luciferian.

BOB: They don’t know; they don’t know that.

SID: Well if they don’t know it, how can it hurt them?

BOB: It doesn’t make any difference, because it’s what’s behind it, it is the spirit and the power and the force that’s behind it that you’re

SID: Have you ever prayed; have you ever with someone for deliverance because of being involved in Masons?

BOB: Ah, so many hundreds I can’t begin to recount to you, and I always know who to go for, I know to go for the spirit of Lucifer, and the spirit of Lucifer is in everyone who has entered beyond the apprenticeship, entered apprenticeship degree because they vow allegiance to Lucifer. Now in different parts of the country you will have more Christianized lodges, but most of them are very vague about who God is, you will have the Koran, you will have the Bible, you will have whatever sacred books they want to have.

SID: Okay, what is the connection between Masons and Mormons, I have never heard that the two are connected.

BOB: Oh absolutely, Joseph Smith Jr. of course who founded the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints took all of the secret ceremonies that are done in the temple, in Mormonism, straight out of Freemasonry, it’s the reason the Freemasons hate the Mormons and the Mormons hate the Freemasons because they are a copycat.

SID: Let’s switch gears, but before we do, I am so impressed with this book of World Religions and cults and occult groups. I assume you had a whole team of specialists do the work because you are so busy.

BOB: I do it myself, I do it myself.

SID: Why do you do it yourself?

BOB: Because I have such a fascination, an historical interest in this, it’s been my life, I’ve lived it, I mean it’s crosschecked and referenced by a team of people, but as far as the writing it’s myself, it’s a product of what I have observed in more than three decades of ministry, watching this stuff.

SID: Now I was involved over thirty years ago before I became a believer in the Messiah in something called Silva Mind Control,

BOB: It’s in the book.

SID: I know but, and you know what’s so wonderful about this? He not only has what it is, what its roots are, what it tries to prove, but how to help someone get out of it, how to under – listen first thing is understanding. How many different cults in and occult groups do you have?

BOB: Hundreds, literally hundreds categorized.

SID: So, there are a lot of books on this subject, why did you do this?

BOB: I did this because people needed a quick encyclopedic capsuled summary so that in just a matter of seconds, they can go to the alphabetical index, a friend, a loved one brings up a term they’ve never heard before, what’s that, is that good or bad, they flip, they find it and thirty seconds they got an answer.

SID: Listen, I went to a health food store and a conversation is going on with the owner and someone else, and the owner says, I finally found the ultimate; a course in miracles. This is a strong Christian, and this is the most wonderful thing, it answers all of my questions, uh, uh, what?

BOB: It’s in the book.

SID: I know.

BOB: A course in miracles was received by automatic handwriting through demonic dictation through something called the voice, and it’s got Jesus in there, but it denies all the cardinal tenants of the Christian faith, and in fact seeks to supplant the Christian faith, it was received from the spirit world by a demon, the whole thing.

SID: there seems to be so many new age courses, are you finding there is an increase in the number of Christians that need deliverance?

BOB: It’s just, it’s so explosive that I, and we’ve got a hundred deliverance teams all over America, we can’t keep up with it, the case load, we are backlogged for weeks in all of our teams because of the numbers of Christians who have gotten involved in stuff they didn’t know was bad, or they picked up garbage.

SID: I mean you have even discussed Star Wars has got evil roots, just thirty seconds what’s wrong with it?

BOB: Well the evil roots are it goes back to Zen Buddhism, George Lucas is a Buddhist.

SID: Yes, but that doesn’t make the movie a Buddhist.

BOB: But he has stated publicly that the whole frame of reference of the worldview and characters is based on Buddhism and he has said things like he deliberately concocted Yoda to be a mouthpiece for Zen.

SID: Well you know one of the reasons that I’m interested that I’m so interested in you Bob Larson and what you have to speak, and especially this book. I wish I had had this. A traditional Jewish man, I got involved in something called Silva Mind Control. It was taught by good people, trying to accomplish good things. I found out the most deceived people were those that were teaching, and one day a Christian had enough “chutzpa” enough nerve to say “Sid turn to your own Torah, your own Jewish scriptures, in Deuteronomy, the eighteenth chapter, God calls it an abomination to communicate with the dead, séances, being involved in the various occult and new age types of courses.” Now I didn’t even believe the Bible was real at that point; I believed it was just good stories, but just on the one percent chance that it was real. I said I will go in a neutral gear and I’ll just read the Bible. I mean after all I’m Jewish, and I got the shock of my life! This new age spirit guide that they had instructed that I invite into myself started cursing me when I read the Bible and I knew it was true. Well listen, I didn’t know what to do, but fortunately my Christian friend said there was a greater power than the power that was destroying me, I literally did not care whether I lived or died, and I prayed a two word prayer, but the important thing is I got the name right and my heart was right. I said,
“Jesus, help.” That’s all I said and I gave up and I can tell you that when I woke up the next morning I was just encased with the most love I had ever experienced in my entire life. I tell you that if you could taste this love there is nothing anyone, anything offers to compare, and the love is the love of God, but there is no other name in which we must experience God’s rule but the name of Jesus. Hebrew, Yeshua, the King of the Jews.

Sid Roth has found the key to worldwide revival. This is God’s time to reach the Jewish people with God’s love. Messiah Jesus has torn down the wall dividing Jew and Gentile, the two together form one new man to reach the world. God’s method to reach the Jewish people is through signs and wonders, this is why our website, Sidroth.org is jammed packed with tools to equip you to move in signs and wonders, understand Israel and the Jewish roots of the church. Log on to:

SID: Hello, Sid Roth here with Jim Rutz and we’re talking about a mega trend, it is something that is bigger than all of us and it has got to do with the new, which was really
the old system called the house congregation. Now Jim, we were talking about the leader, and tell me who is the leader in a home church?

JIM: There are several leaders, we have distributed leadership, because if you put everything into one person then pretty soon the authority, the thought, everything is flowing down from the top. In the New Testament leaders are supposed to be at the
bottom of that pyramid, supporting everybody else. If you go around the traditional churches and ask people, “Are you there in that church to support the vision and
ministry of the pastor, or is the pastor there to support you in your own personal ministry?” Everyone would say the same thing.

SID: But how could a large church, how in the world can the pastor support the individual vision, he may have the heart to do it, but unless they are supporting
his vision it’s just not going to happen.

JIM: Bingo. That’s it!

SID: So what would you say the real difference is between the house church and the traditional church?

JIM: It’s your identity, it’s your relationship, Sid if you and I were in a house church we would belong to each other, it’s really kind of a 24-7 thing rather than a Sunday go to meeting thing, not that there is anything wrong at all with meeting on Sundays but if you’ve got a problem, I’ve got a problem, and I don’t rest until your problem is solved, and if somebody is after SID Roth or trying to put you down or attack you in some way, they are going to have to get past me first, because I am there to cover you and you are there to cover me, we belong to each other. You know you can’t buy that kind of loyalty these days. And so that is why house churches are growing, people are really hungry for that kind of belonging and responsibility and accountability, if I see you slipping off the track and starting to do some things that are wrong, I am going to take you aside and say, “Sid, this is not good in your life.”

SID: What goes on in a house church?

JIM: Almost everything, the fun thing is you can never know what is happening, when you open it up and the Holy Spirit is in charge, Yeshua is there, Jesus is there, and you might kind of have a habit of say starting off with some singing, but beyond that there is hardly any time, people don’t plan these things

SID: How long have you been going to house churches?

JIM: Various things that look like house churches for several decades, it’s evolving.

SID: How long have you been researching this whole subject?
JIM: Oh, fifteen years or something like that.

SID: It’s, you know this book MegaShift, that tells exactly how they can establish this kind of a house church, but how can you be different every week, I mean everyone falls into patterns.

JIM: Well, I’m a creative guy, but if I had to create fifty-two different programs for fifty-two different meetings, I couldn’t do it, but the Holy Spirit somehow manages to take all the threads of what people have been thinking about and doing all week and drawing it together like a conductor waving a baton, things weave together and you say a scripture verse and that reminds me of something in my life which inspires somebody else to pray something and somebody else thinks of a song out of that and it just flows

SID: But who gives the message?

JIM: The message, the message

SID: Yes.

JIM: Okay, there’s the problem Sid, a sermon arose, over a couple of hundred years or so it became a…I stand up and I talk and you set there and you listen.

SID: Just a couple of hundred years ago?

JIM: Well no, through the first two hundred years of the church service developed, we don’t have that, we have a lot of people bringing a lot of messages, and so even if you are a new Christian you are going to learn to open up your Bible and say, “You know I was reading in this book called Galatians, Galatians, and God spoke to me and said this verse here last week, you know.” and so even new Christians are able to start ministering.
We had a meeting just south of Colorado Springs, Pueblo, Colorado, years ago, a friend of my had fallen and broken her ankle into a million pieces, it was terrible, and so they
gathered around, “Let’s pray for Jeanie,” and so they all came around and put hands on Jeanie and here is this two year old boy named Moses, from across the room walks over, puts his little two-year-old hands around her ankle and everybody in the room hears all these bones snapping back into place, two-years-old. So everybody gets involved, it is not longer a case of who brings “the message” or who is the leader?

SID: So no one could be hidden, no one could be behind the back of someone is what you’re saying.

JIM: It’s pretty hard with ten or twelve or fifteen.

SID: Now the ennis, the truth, you’ve been going to these meeting for many, many, years, is there a sense of excitement before you go to a meeting really and truly? It’s not the same old, same old, it’s not routine as usual.

JIM: Not even close to same old, same old, if you have a bunch of people who know how to listen to the Holy Spirit then it is going to be different every time. The Holy Spirit doesn’t deal in cookie cutter programs. Programs, we say are for people who don’t know how to listen to God.

SID: Say that statement again.

JIM: Programs are for people who don’t know how to listen to the Holy Spirit.

SID: Jim, as you know God has had me teaching on the one new man, and the one new man if I had to come up with a word to describe it, there are many things, but the one word, if they forced me to come up with the one word of what it is, it’s freedom, and I did an experiment recently, went into my own home town, I rented a hotel room, I just put the chairs in a circular, with concentric circles, one time I did a rectangle, one time with
Concentric rectangles, we had anywhere from a hundred and fifty to two hundred people at both of these meetings and I said the hardest things that I am going to do is to keep quiet, I don’t know if you can relate.

JIM: That’s hard.

SID: But it was very, very difficult for me, now the hardest thing that you are going to do
is to talk, because you are so used to being a spectator.

JIM: Yes, yes.

SID: Well, it started out a little rough, but then one person had courage to stand up and so you know that it was so wonderful, I mean a man gets up, someone I don’t even know, should I give him permission, should I not give him permission, and he says he was in a mental institution and God gave him some songs and Jesus came in and He became real to him and He took over his life and he sits down. So I said, he didn’t have a guitar, I said, someone hand him a guitar, talk about risk taking, so he takes this guitar, and I have to tell you Jim, the Spirit of God just flowed into that auditorium, wasn’t even an auditorium, that hotel room, like a river. The leaders didn’t sit together, the worship team wasn’t there because the worship team were the people with the guitars and violins and banners and tambourines and shofars, and at one point the Spirit of God moved into that
meeting in such a tangible fashion that has never happened in my life, my hands literally started burning and Jim I knew that I could lay hands on people and they would be healed, but I knew God didn’t want me to, it was like a sign to tell me that God was ready
to heal Himself, no one laid hands on anyone, I said to someone who I didn’t even know, “Stand up and pray a blanket prayer over everyone.” And they prayed that prayer and guess what, there were half a dozen miracles, I mean genuine miracles, I mean someone who had parachuted from a plane and landed badly with broken everything got instantly healed. And then the next meeting we had we expected the same thing, no, God had an entirely different plan and this wasn’t a house meeting, this was a larger meeting, I mean it is so exciting because you don’t know what God is going to do.

JIM: Yes it’s an open meeting; He is the God of surprises.

SID: What will happen if someone reads Mega Shift?

JIM: Well hopefully his life will get changed and he will realize who he really is, he will have a new identity, or she will be able to do things that they have never done before.
It doesn’t mean that tomorrow morning you step out the door and heal everybody in sight but it gives you a great starting point and you learn to grow, and you are not doing it alone anymore, because you will have people around you that are praying for you, supporting you, and helping you.

SID: Listen, this is another significant, mentoring tool for the next, for the greatest, and I believe for the last move of God’s Spirit before the Messiah returns. You have been wondering what am I going to do, I would like to have a house congregation, I don’t know how to do it, this book will show you how to do it, and then just do the stuff, it’s that simple, but listen, you could go to another country with this principle and probably start a thousand congregations, women over eighty years of age are doing this in other countries, read it in this book. Jim Rutz, thank you for writing this, thank you for your years of research in this, but I really believe that this is a “how to” manual.

JIM: It is.

SID: So just take it in their hands and get a baby. It’s that simple, and get right with God.

SID: So in other words what He said is when the leaders, the Sanhedrin, say “Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord,” Jesus will be here. That’s quite a nuance; difference.

PAUL: Well, they disappeared. Here’s the exciting thing. And it’s happened right under the noses of most Bible believers, and they don’t even know it’s happened. At the end of 2004, 71 elders calling themselves the revived Sanhedrin approached the Knesset and said “We are now here. We’re back. We’re the rulers.” They disappeared for over 1,700 years. 1,700 years – No longer as a ruling body; and reappeared at the end of 2004.

SID: I don’t have to be a mental giant – you don’t have to be a mental giant to figure that out. They’re here now. They’re ready to say “Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.” And Jesus will be here. Miracles: next segment. Trust me – don’t go away. Be right back after this. 

SID: Sid Roth here with Paul Wilbur, messianic Jewish psalmist. And it’s one thing when Paul goes to a nation like Zambia and sees miracles – which he did. Tumors drop off. But what happens when he’s just worshipping God in a church in Miami. What happens Paul?

PAUL: Well, there was a very spectacular presence of the living God. In Psalm 22:3, God promises, through King David, “I inhabit the praises of My people.” So if we will just put ourselves in an attitude of praise, He comes where we are. Now when we were in Miami, we were doing just that: A couple thousand Gypsies. These are Romanian immigrants that have come to the United States, they’ve got their own culture and language. And in about the second song, Sid, the Lord spoke to my heart and said “I don’t want to hear any more about My power. I want to demonstrate it now.” And that really kind of shook me, because I didn’t know what was going to happen. And then I understood that I should speak about healing, so I stopped the music. I told the people “The Lord is here to heal you.” and we had about four blind eyes and four or five deaf ears, in Miami, Florida, came open in a Sunday morning church service. The place just exploded.

SID: Listen. Paul Wilbur and his wife are quite a team. I just wish his wife, Luanne, would work on cue. She doesn’t. She can only speak when God speaks to her. But I was having dinner with Paul and all of a sudden, I see her go like this to his shoulder, and she starts speaking in an unknown language and he starts translating. Paul, you told me that you were talking to someone on the phone who had cancer, and what happened?

PAUL: They were healed. My wife and I were out to lunch. This is a good Presbyterian girl, you know, but God’s just gotten a hold of her. We were out to lunch, sitting by the beach, enjoying a nice afternoon, a friend of mine called. He said “We’re going to Milwaukee to have testing for cancer. I’ve been told I have this cancer and that cancer.” My wife pulled on my sleeve…

SID: I know that sign now.

PAUL: …And she had a message for him. I got the interpretation, declared to him that he’s healed, that the Lord is going to prove it to him. He called me two weeks later and said “I’m completely free. No cancer.” It’s just wonderful.

SID: Listen, that’s just wonderful for him, but what about you? Some of you are saying “What about me?” I believe, as Paul Wilbur sings from his new album, “Holy, Holy, Holy,” as you reach your heart up to God, miracles will break out. Get ready. Paul, go over there.

§ music §

Holy, holy, holy is the God of Israel Elders bow in worship as the angel voices swell Rain clouds of incense swirl around Your throne of grace Lord, we bow in worship at the brilliance of Your face We cry holy Holy Holy Is the Lord Holy Angels cry holy The Lord, He is holy Holy is the Lord You are the Lord’s There’s none like You, Lord Who is like You, oh Lord, among the gods? Holy, holy, holy is the song that heaven sings All creation praise Him, Hallelujah Elohim Come to reign forever, King Of Kings and Lord Of Lords Hill of Zion, open wide you ancient doors And cry holy Holy Holy is the Lord Holy Holy Holy is the Lord Of Lords Holy is the Lord, righteous and mighty Holy is the Lord Holy, holy The God who’s healing us You ever listen when we call You here Holy is the Lord

§ music § 

SID: The great Jewish prophet, Isaiah, caught a glimpse of God, and he said “Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord God Almighty. He’s high and lifted up, and His train fills the temple.” But then he says “Woe is me! I’m undone! I’ve seen the Lord.” And he recognized his sin. He recognized that all of his righteousness counted for nothing. Compared to another man it counted a great deal, but compared to God that he caught a glimpse of… God you’re so good. You’re so good. If you will turn from your sins, our good God will cover them with His blood. And He says, even more than cover, He will remove those sins in the name of Jesus. In the act of… Paul, God is telling you something.

PAUL: Yes. There’s someone listening to you right now, Sid, and they’re saying “I wish I knew that this was real.” And the Lord is going to confirm this to you, because you have tumors in your stomach; a lot of acid and a lot of discomfort. And the Lord is healing those right now as a sign to you that you are loved of God and can be saved. There’s someone else Sid that’s listening right now that has an issue of blood. There’s a loss of energy and a loss of vitality, and the doctors don’t know what to do; but there’s a leaking of blood somewhere internally in you that the doctors haven’t found, and the Lord is healing that for you right now because He loves you.

SID: Other miracles are happening right now too. Spines – they’re literally being repaired. Bend over, you’ll see there’s no pain in the neck, no pain in your neck, your back. And hip – if you’ll stand up and just jump, you’ll see that that pain is totally gone. This is your moment. What are you going to do about it? Are you going to say “Oh, I’ll just look at something else on TV”? Or are you going to have an encounter with the Living God? Choose this day whom you shall serve, but as for me and my house, we’re going to serve the Living God. I want you to be part of the mishpochah; that’s a Hebrew word, it means ‘family’. I want you part of God’s family. Why would you want to walk around like a blind man, when you can see? In Jesus’ name, repent to your sins, and believe that He is your Lord. Ask Him to forgive your sins and live inside of you. 

SID: So in other words what He said is when the leaders, the Sanhedrin, say “Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord,” Jesus will be here. That’s quite a nuance; difference.

 

PAUL: Well, they disappeared. Here’s the exciting thing. And it’s happened right under the noses of most Bible believers, and they don’t even know it’s happened. At the end of 2004, 71 elders calling themselves the revived Sanhedrin approached the Knesset and said “We are now here. We’re back. We’re the rulers.” They disappeared for over 1,700 years. 1,700 years – No longer as a ruling body; and reappeared at the end of 2004.

 

SID: I don’t have to be a mental giant – you don’t have to be a mental giant to figure that out. They’re here now. They’re ready to say “Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.” And Jesus will be here. Miracles: next segment. Trust me – don’t go away. Be right back after this. 

 

SID: Sid Roth here with Paul Wilbur, messianic Jewish psalmist. And it’s one thing when Paul goes to a nation like Zambia and sees miracles – which he did. Tumors drop off. But what happens when he’s just worshipping God in a church in Miami. What happens Paul?

 

PAUL: Well, there was a very spectacular presence of the living God. In Psalm 22:3, God promises, through King David, “I inhabit the praises of My people.” So if we will just put ourselves in an attitude of praise, He comes where we are. Now when we were in Miami, we were doing just that: A couple thousand Gypsies. These are Romanian immigrants that have come to the United States, they’ve got their own culture and language. And in about the second song, Sid, the Lord spoke to my heart and said “I don’t want to hear any more about My power. I want to demonstrate it now.” And that really kind of shook me, because I didn’t know what was going to happen. And then I understood that I should speak about healing, so I stopped the music. I told the people “The Lord is here to heal you.” and we had about four blind eyes and four or five deaf ears, in Miami, Florida, came open in a Sunday morning church service. The place just exploded.

 

SID: Listen. Paul Wilbur and his wife are quite a team. I just wish his wife, Luanne, would work on cue. She doesn’t. She can only speak when God speaks to her. But I was having dinner with Paul and all of a sudden, I see her go like this to his shoulder, and she starts speaking in an unknown language and he starts translating. Paul, you told me that you were talking to someone on the phone who had cancer, and what happened?

 

PAUL: They were healed. My wife and I were out to lunch. This is a good Presbyterian girl, you know, but God’s just gotten a hold of her. We were out to lunch, sitting by the beach, enjoying a nice afternoon, a friend of mine called. He said “We’re going to Milwaukee to have testing for cancer. I’ve been told I have this cancer and that cancer.” My wife pulled on my sleeve…

 

SID: I know that sign now.

 

PAUL: …And she had a message for him. I got the interpretation, declared to him that he’s healed, that the Lord is going to prove it to him. He called me two weeks later and said “I’m completely free. No cancer.” It’s just wonderful.

 

SID: Listen, that’s just wonderful for him, but what about you? Some of you are saying “What about me?” I believe, as Paul Wilbur sings from his new album, “Holy, Holy, Holy,” as you reach your heart up to God, miracles will break out. Get ready. Paul, go over there.

 

§ music §

 

Holy, holy, holy is the God of Israel Elders bow in worship as the angel voices swell Rain clouds of incense swirl around Your throne of grace Lord, we bow in worship at the brilliance of Your face We cry holy Holy Holy Is the Lord Holy Angels cry holy The Lord, He is holy Holy is the Lord You are the Lord’s There’s none like You, Lord Who is like You, oh Lord, among the gods? Holy, holy, holy is the song that heaven sings All creation praise Him, Hallelujah Elohim Come to reign forever, King Of Kings and Lord Of Lords Hill of Zion, open wide you ancient doors And cry holy Holy Holy is the Lord Holy Holy Holy is the Lord Of Lords Holy is the Lord, righteous and mighty Holy is the Lord Holy, holy The God who’s healing us You ever listen when we call You here Holy is the Lord

 

 

SID: The great Jewish prophet, Isaiah, caught a glimpse of God, and he said “Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord God Almighty. He’s high and lifted up, and His train fills the temple.” But then he says “Woe is me! I’m undone! I’ve seen the Lord.” And he recognized his sin. He recognized that all of his righteousness counted for nothing. Compared to another man it counted a great deal, but compared to God that he caught a glimpse of… God you’re so good. You’re so good. If you will turn from your sins, our good God will cover them with His blood. And He says, even more than cover, He will remove those sins in the name of Jesus. In the act of… Paul, God is telling you something.

 

PAUL: Yes. There’s someone listening to you right now, Sid, and they’re saying “I wish I knew that this was real.” And the Lord is going to confirm this to you, because you have tumors in your stomach; a lot of acid and a lot of discomfort. And the Lord is healing those right now as a sign to you that you are loved of God and can be saved. There’s someone else Sid that’s listening right now that has an issue of blood. There’s a loss of energy and a loss of vitality, and the doctors don’t know what to do; but there’s a leaking of blood somewhere internally in you that the doctors haven’t found, and the Lord is healing that for you right now because He loves you.

 

SID: Other miracles are happening right now too. Spines – they’re literally being repaired. Bend over, you’ll see there’s no pain in the neck, no pain in your neck, your back. And hip – if you’ll stand up and just jump, you’ll see that that pain is totally gone. This is your moment. What are you going to do about it? Are you going to say “Oh, I’ll just look at something else on TV”? Or are you going to have an encounter with the Living God? Choose this day whom you shall serve, but as for me and my house, we’re going to serve the Living God. I want you to be part of the mishpochah; that’s a Hebrew word, it means ‘family’. I want you part of God’s family. Why would you want to walk around like a blind man, when you can see? In Jesus’ name, repent to your sins, and believe that He is your Lord. Ask Him to forgive your sins and live inside of you.

SID: Sid Roth here with Paul Wilbur. Paul is not a worship leader, he is a new covenant prophetic psalmist. And you said, Paul, that God had shown you that this is a year of breakthrough. What does that mean to you?

PAUL: Its bars of iron that are cut; its double doors of bronze that have been closed to us before; new opportunities to share the goodness of God. Later on this year, I’ll take a large team with me to Zambia in Africa, at the invitation of the President.

PAUL: Now you were recently in Zambia, and they had…

SID: You’re talking about breakthroughs. They had breakthroughs.

PAUL: They did. In fact, while we were there, the Vice-President of the nation receive Yeshua – received Jesus as his Lord and Savior. So for that nation, you know, as the head goes, so goes the rest of the body. I’m very excited for Zambia, because they are lining themselves up now for the blessings of God.

SID: Tell me about the country. How bad off are they?

PAUL: It’s exceptionally bad. They are the second or third poorest nation in the world, perhaps behind Ethiopia and Sudan. The average Zambian does not make it to their 40th birthday. They have the second highest incidence of AIDS. One-tenth; over one-tenth,

SID. If you think about this, over one-tenth of their population are orphans that live on the streets. We fed some of these children. The most fortunate of them get one bowl of porridge from a caring church, a congregation there in the nation, one time a day, and most of the time just five days a week. But most of those children go to bed hungry; begging on streets, living in garbage traps. The poverty is staggering. And I found out, one of the reasons for the great turnaround, when this nation became a nation back in 1972, the first thing their first president did was sever diplomatic relations with Israel – His first act as president.

SID: My goodness. Now we know Genesis 12:3, God says “I’ll bless those who bless the Jewish people, I’ll curse those who curse them.” I mean this is a graphic illustration of that.

PAUL: Absolutely. Now they have, for the last two presidents, including this one, they’re born-again Christians. They have reestablished diplomatic relationships with Israel and declared that Zambia is a Christian nation. They’ve dedicated the nation to the Lord. Imagine if our President did that: Stood up at a State of the Union address and said “I’m dedicating the United States to the Lord.”

SID: You told me what happened to a Muslim mosque in Zambia. What happened?

PAUL: Phenomenal. Now isn’t it wonderful, that when we do just what God shows us to do, He adds the power to it. If we lay hands on the sick like He says, people get healed. Well, the Bible says to take care of orphans and widows in their distress, and Zambia has more than their share.

SID: Of course.

PAUL: So this young messianic believer went out to feed street children one day, and he set up his shop right next to a Muslim mosque. And from the safety of the mosque, the imam – the pastor or the rabbi if you will – was watching, and he was very curious as to why these people fed everybody. They fed Muslims, they fed Christians, they fed children, they fed anybody who was hungry. And finally the imam couldn’t take it any longer. He walked out… Now I heard this first-hand from the man. This is almost too hard to believe, but it’s so good. He walked out to talk with this young messianic believer, and he said “I’ve just got to know, why do you feed everybody? We Muslims, we only feed our people.” And so this young man shared the love of God and some scripture with him. The imam repented right there, received Jesus as Lord of his life. Then, the next day, called a meeting for his entire mosque. Five hundred showed up. He’s one day old in the Lord. He gave his testimony, and over two hundred of those people received the Lord, went down to the crocodile-infested river – this separates the men from the boys. If you’re going to get a mikvah and there’s crocodiles watching, this means you’re serious. And over two hundred of them were baptized or mikvahed that day. And they went up and took the crescent off the top of the mosque and put a star of David on the side.

SID: Could you picture, if ever mosque in, say, London, England, that happened to? Do you know there are more mosques in London, England today than churches? Could you picture if that happened in the United States and in Europe? Paul, there’s something going on with Israel. There’s something new going on. I think it’s got to do with that word breakthrough that you used. What is going on that you see in this area?

PAUL: Well, there’s a new desire, there’s a fresh hunger, I believe, for the presence of God, and for knowing who is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Remember, Esther said that she was brought to the kingdom… Or Mordecai said to her “You’ve been brought to the kingdom for such a time as this.” I believe that a lot of Israelis are wondering “What time is it?” They hear a lot in Christian broadcasting, and from the many tourists that come through. But something happened at the end of 2004, Sid, which also puts it… In Matthew 23, Yeshua said to Jerusalem “You’ll not see Me again until you say ‘Blessed is he who comes.’” Now was He speaking to all Israel? Certainly He was. Was He speaking just to Jerusalem? Well, no. If you read it carefully, He says “I wanted to gather your chicks together, but you were not willing, and you will not see Me again until you say…” See, I believe He was speaking directly to the leaders, the 71 elders, the Sanhedrin, the Pharisees, and the Sadducees. 

SID: Sid Roth here with Paul Wilbur. Paul is not a worship leader, he is a new covenant prophetic psalmist. And you said, Paul, that God had shown you that this is a year of breakthrough. What does that mean to you?

 

PAUL: Its bars of iron that are cut; its double doors of bronze that have been closed to us before; new opportunities to share the goodness of God. Later on this year, I’ll take a large team with me to Zambia in Africa, at the invitation of the President.

 

PAUL: Now you were recently in Zambia, and they had…

 

SID: You’re talking about breakthroughs. They had breakthroughs.

 

PAUL: They did. In fact, while we were there, the Vice-President of the nation receive Yeshua – received Jesus as his Lord and Savior. So for that nation, you know, as the head goes, so goes the rest of the body. I’m very excited for Zambia, because they are lining themselves up now for the blessings of God.

 

SID: Tell me about the country. How bad off are they?

 

PAUL: It’s exceptionally bad. They are the second or third poorest nation in the world, perhaps behind Ethiopia and Sudan. The average Zambian does not make it to their 40th birthday. They have the second highest incidence of AIDS. One-tenth; over one-tenth,

 

SID. If you think about this, over one-tenth of their population are orphans that live on the streets. We fed some of these children. The most fortunate of them get one bowl of porridge from a caring church, a congregation there in the nation, one time a day, and most of the time just five days a week. But most of those children go to bed hungry; begging on streets, living in garbage traps. The poverty is staggering. And I found out, one of the reasons for the great turnaround, when this nation became a nation back in 1972, the first thing their first president did was sever diplomatic relations with Israel – His first act as president.

 

SID: My goodness. Now we know Genesis 12:3, God says “I’ll bless those who bless the Jewish people, I’ll curse those who curse them.” I mean this is a graphic illustration of that.

 

PAUL: Absolutely. Now they have, for the last two presidents, including this one, they’re born-again Christians. They have reestablished diplomatic relationships with Israel and declared that Zambia is a Christian nation. They’ve dedicated the nation to the Lord. Imagine if our President did that: Stood up at a State of the Union address and said “I’m dedicating the United States to the Lord.”

 

SID: You told me what happened to a Muslim mosque in Zambia. What happened?

 

PAUL: Phenomenal. Now isn’t it wonderful, that when we do just what God shows us to do, He adds the power to it. If we lay hands on the sick like He says, people get healed. Well, the Bible says to take care of orphans and widows in their distress, and Zambia has more than their share.

 

SID: Of course.

 

PAUL: So this young messianic believer went out to feed street children one day, and he set up his shop right next to a Muslim mosque. And from the safety of the mosque, the imam – the pastor or the rabbi if you will – was watching, and he was very curious as to why these people fed everybody. They fed Muslims, they fed Christians, they fed children, they fed anybody who was hungry. And finally the imam couldn’t take it any longer. He walked out… Now I heard this first-hand from the man. This is almost too hard to believe, but it’s so good. He walked out to talk with this young messianic believer, and he said “I’ve just got to know, why do you feed everybody? We Muslims, we only feed our people.” And so this young man shared the love of God and some scripture with him. The imam repented right there, received Jesus as Lord of his life. Then, the next day, called a meeting for his entire mosque. Five hundred showed up. He’s one day old in the Lord. He gave his testimony, and over two hundred of those people received the Lord, went down to the crocodile-infested river – this separates the men from the boys. If you’re going to get a mikvah and there’s crocodiles watching, this means you’re serious. And over two hundred of them were baptized or mikvahed that day. And they went up and took the crescent off the top of the mosque and put a star of David on the side.

 

SID: Could you picture, if ever mosque in, say, London, England, that happened to? Do you know there are more mosques in London, England today than churches? Could you picture if that happened in the United States and in Europe? Paul, there’s something going on with Israel. There’s something new going on. I think it’s got to do with that word breakthrough that you used. What is going on that you see in this area?

 

PAUL: Well, there’s a new desire, there’s a fresh hunger, I believe, for the presence of God, and for knowing who is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Remember, Esther said that she was brought to the kingdom… Or Mordecai said to her “You’ve been brought to the kingdom for such a time as this.” I believe that a lot of Israelis are wondering “What time is it?” They hear a lot in Christian broadcasting, and from the many tourists that come through. But something happened at the end of 2004, Sid, which also puts it… In Matthew 23, Yeshua said to Jerusalem “You’ll not see Me again until you say ‘Blessed is he who comes.’” Now was He speaking to all Israel? Certainly He was. Was He speaking just to Jerusalem? Well, no. If you read it carefully, He says “I wanted to gather your chicks together, but you were not willing, and you will not see Me again until you say…” See, I believe He was speaking directly to the leaders, the 71 elders, the Sanhedrin, the Pharisees, and the Sadducees.

SID: Sid Roth here with messianic Jewish psalmist Paul Wilbur. The job, if you will, of a psalmist is so misunderstood, and the only way you can understand what a psalmist is, is to look at the Jewish scriptures. What is a psalmist, Paul?

PAUL: I believe the best definition of a psalmist, Sid, would be for a cantor today; someone who hears the voice of God and gives it voice into the earth. Now that could be a restating of something written by King David, or one of the prophets, that has an application for today. But those of us who lead worship, and I’m not a song leader, I lead worship, or lead worshippers, I believe our highest calling is as watchmen – to hear what others cannot hear, see what others cannot see, and then give it voice into the earth. So a psalmist really is a prophetic ministry.

SID: Speaking of a prophetic ministry, you’re a prophet. What do you see happening this year?

PAUL: A lot of people are declaring a lot of things. Brother Hagin declared, before he graduated from this earth, that the last quarter of last year and this entire year was to be a year of unprecedented glory. That is the manifest presence of God. I really reverberate with that in my spirit. I’ve been with other notable men and women of God that are declaring that this is a year for unprecedented supernatural things in the earth. This year as I was praying – the end of last year and the beginning of this year – the word the Lord gave me was “breakthrough.” I believe this is a year for breakthrough. Isaiah 45, one of the prophets of Israel, Isaiah, said that the anointed of the Lord, God would take him by the hand. You cannot miss it, when God takes you by the hand like a father to lead you across a street or take you where you need to go. And then he said “I will cut down bars of iron before you. I will open double doors – double doors.” The blessing this year, I believe, Sid, is going to be so large that it won’t be able to pass through a single door. It’s going to have to be double doors. And then he said “I will also give you secrets; treasures hidden in secret places.”

SID: You know, when you say treasures hidden in secret places, many people in their mind think in terms of money. But you know what I’m thinking of? In terms of ancient Jewish anointings that are going to be released. Now you have a new CD that we’re making available called “The Watchman.” I’ve known you many years, and this has, without a doubt, the strongest presence of God on it, out of anything that you’ve ever done. Tell me about this first song that we’re going to have you sing.

PAUL: This first song I co-wrote with some friends, and it’s a reaction song. We call it “Adonai.” And the reason I say it’s a reaction song, I just got so disturbed, or moved, in my heart because today we keep hearing about Islam being a peaceful religion. We hear about this one god. You know, there are three great world religions. There is the kingdom of God and then there’s everything else as far as I’m concerned. And I was so disturbed about hearing “Allah is god, he has no son.” We wanted to create a song that declares “The Lord, He is God.” Like the prophet said on the top of Mount Carmel, “Choose this day whom you’re going to serve, but the Lord…” Is it the Lord or is it these other gods? And when Israel decided to follow God, then all of the goodness broke out. So this song is a declaration song: The Lord, there is no one but Him. The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. His son… Interesting Sid, that that beautiful gold dome that we see in Jerusalem; everybody equates it with Jerusalem; is a Muslim mosque. And around the top of it in Arabic, it declares “Allah is god and he has no equal. He has no son.”

SID: You know, his song, Adonai, when Paul sings it, he sings ancient Hebrew words: Baruch HaShem Adonai: Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord. He is declaring that when the Jewish people say blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord, open your eyes: Messiah is going to be here.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest, Delores Winder, had what I believe is one of the greatest verifiable miracles that I’ve ever observed. You may wonder what’s over here. This is a neck brace that she lived in. This is a body brace that she lived in. Delores, how long did you live in this?

DELORES: Well I lived in plaster of Paris ones for seven years. They would cut the size open and put straps on it, and then finally they started making plastic, and I lived in plastic ones for another seven and a half years.

SID: What is this bump here on the back?

DELORES: That’s where the bone came through the skin and was stuck out, and I had to wear a patch on that to keep it from happening.

SID: Okay. Some of you perhaps have never heard of Kathryn Kuhlman. I was privileged as a brand new Jewish believer in the Messiah to see her in the auditoriums, and she had such a relationship with the Holy Spirit that she lived for that relationship. And the greatest miracles I ever saw in my life happened there. But the greatest miracle that I know of that happened under her ministry is my guest, Delores Winder. And I want to take you back in time, and I want you to see this miracle taking place right now. Take a look.

Delores (video): I was in body cast for 14 years. Four fusions: one through the front, the other three through the back, two cordotomies to kill the pain. So this side of my body was numb from here down, this side from here down. Two weeks before I was healed my husband and I made my funeral arrangements.

SID: What you’re about ready to have unwind is going to build your belief in God, your belief in the miraculous. Delores, for those that don’t understand, you had a disease that your bones were becoming brittle way before their time.

DELORES: Yes.

SID: And when someone reaches a point that they’re about ready to die, they’re terminal and their pain is unbearable, they had a surgery back then, which they don’t even do today.

DELORES: No.

SID: It’s such a horrific surgery. What was it and what did they do?

DELORES: It was called percutaneous cordotomy where they go into the base of the brain through behind the ear and they burn out the nerve centers so you can never feel again in the part of the body that they burn the nerve centers out.

SID: Now you had it on both sides.

DELORES: Yes.

SID: Which meant that you had no feeling from where, your waist down?

DELORES: Well on my right side I had no feeling from my neck down, the left side from my waist down.

SID: And there is no reversal for this surgery.

DELORES: No.

SID: Never in the history of the world has it ever been reversed until that night when she went to the Kathryn Kuhlman meeting. Now Delores loved God, but did not believe in miracles for today. She felt they ceased. And so when the mother of the housekeeper turned on this Kathryn Kuhlman show, what did you say to her?

DELORES: Turn it off.

SID: Why?

DELORES: Because I came from Pennsylvania. I was always told Kathryn Kuhlman was a kook, said she healed people and that wasn’t true, and I believed it.

SID: And what did the housekeeper’s mother say to you?

DELORES: She said to me, “What is it you’re keeping your door closed to God?” And I had to respond because at that point I was waiting for an answer from God for my youngest son.

SID: You see, she had a young son, how old was he, Chris?

DELORES: He was 14.

SID: He was 14 and she was wondering what was going to happen to him when she died, because, well tell me about the orthopedic doctor that was a friend of yours when he told you, you were going to die. What did he say?

DELORES: Well when he came into the room they wanted to take me into the hospital one more time to see if there was anything they missed or anything they could still do, or anything they could learn to help somebody else. And when they did all this checking and had a new neurosurgeon in to look at me, and he said, “It’s time to go.” The tissues in my back were shredding even, where that bone was through the skin and they couldn’t even patch it. And he came in and sat down and I said, “What’s wrong?” And he said, “Delores, there’s nothing more we can do.” And he said, “I would give anything in this world to make you well, and there’s nothing to be done.”

SID: And she heard the voice of the Holy Spirit say to her, “Kathryn Kuhlman”. And she knew somehow that if she went to the Kathryn Kuhlman meeting she would find out, she’d have some peace of mind of what would happen to her son.

DELORES: That’s right.

SID: You literally said, you had chutzpah; you said to God, what did you say to Him?

DELORES: I told him, “I will not die until You show me how You’re going to take care of Chris.” And He gave him to us. He’s adopted. And He gave him to us after I was in my first body cast and then in a brace for several years.

SID: So did Chris ever see you normal?

DELORES: No, no, he never did. He never did.

SID: Okay. So you know you have to go to this meeting of this woman you don’t care for.

DELORES: But you know, I could go because it was a Methodist Spirit, Holy Spirit Conference, and I grew up Methodist, and I knew they weren’t going to let her do anything out of order.

SID: Okay. So you get in the car to go to this conference. You get out, but you can’t get out of the car yourself. So what do you do?

DELORES: Well Gail always put me in and took me out. And she couldn’t get me out because the pain, the shoulder was deteriorated also, both wrists and all my fingers.

SID: What was going on with your organs?

DELORES: Heart and lungs were very bad, and my kidneys, they started to close off and that was what was killing me. And this man stepped up and said, “Let me help.” He reached in and picked me up and took me in. Gail parked the car and came in, and he took us to seats. And Kathryn Kuhlman came out on stage and I thought, dear God, I can’t stand to look at her. And the Lord said, “You don’t need to look at her. Just listen.” And so I closed my eyes and I was holding my head like this, and she said, “Tonight I’m going to introduce you to the Holy Spirit.” Now she’s talking to Methodist pastors and lay leaders.

SID: It wasn’t a healing service.

DELORES: No, it was not a healing service. In fact, they made her send her people home because they couldn’t have healing. And so I thought, I know the Holy Spirit. It’s the Spirit of God. And she said, “If you call Him it you don’t know Him.” And suddenly something happened to me and I had my eyes closed, and I saw a little Kodak slide picture of Chris and a man on our front porch. And the man turned and looked at me and said, “Tell Chris he need never walk in the house alone, to tell him to take Jesus’ hand and walk in and I’ll walk in with him. But my name is Holy Spirit.”

SID: And now you felt you had your answer.

DELORES: I had my answer. I was ready to go home.

SID: She was ready to die. But God wasn’t ready for her to die. I know you’re not going to go away. We’ll be right back after this word.

SID: My guest, John McTernan, says that he sees a direct connection between 9/11, and the U.S., and the way the U.S. handles Israel. What is that?

JOHN: Well Sid, I just want to refresh your viewers memories that we’re talking about 50 or 60 or 70 same day events, or things happening around the same day regarding the United States pressuring Israel. So 9/11 is not just isolated.

SID: In other words, within 24 hours usually, or even the exact moment, when something bad happens to America, since 1991, John has documented there’s a direct correlation with our handling of Israel. So, continue.

JOHN: So just prior to 9/11, within a week prior to 9/11, and the information I’m relaying to you comes from information that the White House released and picked up by the national newspapers. The President’s formulated policy towards Israel was a two state policy, in that on September 13th, Secretary of State (at that time) Powell was going to notify the Saudi Arabian Ambassador that we were going to unilaterally recognize a Palestinian state, and that was going to be announced at the general assembly of the United Nations on September 23rd, 2001. So 9/11 occurred right at the very time we were going to unilaterally recognize a Palestinian state, and 9/11 put the brakes on it. And we, then, became at war with the same terrorists. I don’t see much difference between the Palestinian terrorists and Osama bin-Laden. I seen the same bedfellows there. We are at war now with the same enemies that Israel is at war with – literally we are at war.

SID: You know, in your book, I think it is absolutely amazing, as you trace two countries that are similar: the United States of America, and Russia, the former Soviet Union, and how one country went against the Jew and what happened to them, and the other country blessed the Jew and what happened to them. Would you explain?

JOHN: Sid, it’s really quite an analogy, where the Jews were being driven out of Russia simply because they were Jewish. The Russians were doing every conceivable thing to drive them out. The only country in the world – now we’re talking starting in 1881, Sid – the only country in the world who would accept them was the United States. All of Europe closed the doors, whoever else closed the doors. The United States opens the door wide, and however many Jews came out of Russia, we accepted. Eventually it was somewhere between 2 or 3 million Jews fled Russia and came to the United States. But in my book, I document, starting in 1881, God began to raise us up as a world power.

SID: So you can pinpoint it?

JOHN: You can pinpoint it to the year, Sid. To the very year. Isn’t that amazing? As we accepted the Jews into our country, God began to raise us up as a world power, and I show it, almost year by year, this parallel.

SID: Now what happened to Russia when they did these things?

JOHN: Sid, I want to speak briefly on what’s called the May Laws of 1883. And it was draconian laws that the Russian government, backed by the Russian Orthodox Church, applied on the Jewish people. For example, they were only allowed to live in a small section of Russia. If they were outside that, they lost their property, they lost their business, they lost their land – at gunpoint – and they were driven into this section. They lived in small, little enclaves. Their businesses would be stolen from them. Their kids couldn’t go to school. They couldn’t worship Judaism. They lived in terror. And then the pogroms started, which is organized assaults on the Jewish people. And I believe that when you look at what the Russian people did to the Jewish people, that communism was nothing more than the May Laws of 1883 applied to all of Russia. Now, the Russian Orthodox Church couldn’t worship. Like they were doing to the Jews, it hit the Russian Orthodox Church.

SID: It’s like the law of sowing and reaping. As they were evil to the Jews, they reaped evil.

JOHN: One generation later, it came on them. If you can think of Russia and Stalin and Lenin, how they would uproot whole bunches of people and move them, send them to Siberia, that’s exactly what they did to the Jewish people, Sid. Their land, you couldn’t own land in Russia. Land was stolen from people. The Jewish people, their land was stolen from them. So I look at communism, one aspect of it, is punishment. You bless the Jew, America was blessed. You curse the Jew, the Russians got communism. And communism was nothing more than the May Laws of 1883 applied to the whole nation.

SID: Well, here we are now, the United States of America. As far as I’m concerned, one of the greatest countries the world has ever known. But John, you say in your book we’re at a crossroads. What do you mean?

JOHN: Sid, the American government, and specifically the Presidency, and I’m not getting into Democrat or Republican because it was the same under the Democrats as it is under Republicans, we are interfering with God’s prophetic plan, like we had mentioned before about Gaza. And God, in His mercy, is trying to bring this to our attention. He’s trying to wake the church, Sid, because it’s really on our shoulders here. We need power from the church, we need intercession from the church, we need prayer from the church.

SID: Alright, what’s going to happen if we continue fostering a two state solution in the Middle East, to the United States?

JOHN: God will break our back, Sid. It’ll either be… I don’t know exactly how He’s going to do it, there’s several ways that are indicated by these warning judgments, but we will no longer be a world power. He will force us to stop interfering with Israel. It’s a matter of how severe the judgment will fall, Sid. There’s no doubt our back will be broken here. We can no longer interfere.

SID: One minute – look in the camera, talk to President Bush. What would you say to him?

JOHN: President Bush, please stop interfering with the affairs of Israel. Bless Israel. Stand with Israel to support Israel if it’s attacked by Ahmadinejad, for example, of Iran. But no longer interfere with the integrity of the nation of Israel.

SID: Do you believe that there is teeth behind that threat of Iran?

JOHN: There is no doubt about it Sid, absolutely no doubt about it. They will attack when the have the capability of doing it. No doubt.

SID: So what would you advise President Bush to do right now, in reference to Iran?

JOHN: Well he’s already told Iran that if they attack Israel that we will defend Israel. The President has said that, March of last year, which is a tremendous thing to say. No other nation in the world would dare say that. That’s the dichotomy in the United States.

SID: Listen, here’s what I believe. I believe we’re buying time. And I want as much time as possible here in the United States. I want this to be the land of the brave and the land of the free. I want it to be a place for Jewish people to be free. I’m Jewish. I also happen to be a Russian Jew, so I’m very grateful to the United States of America. But I say this to you, that one day, according to the Bible, every Jew will end up in Israel. But the problem is, the safest place in the world is not the United States, for a Jew. The safest place in the world is not Israel, for a Jew. There’s only one safe place for a Jew, and that is intimacy with God. There’s only one way to have intimacy with God. There’s only one God, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. There is only one Messiah, not a Messiah for the Jews and a Messiah for the Gentiles. There’s only one Covenant. Jewish people already have the correct Covenant. It’s called the New Covenant. It’s found in Jeremiah 31:31. Gentiles are grafted in to the new Jewish Covenant found in Jeremiah 31:31. When someone tells God they’re sorry for their sins, (that’s called repentance), and asks God to forgive them in the name of the Jewish Messiah, Jesus – Yeshua – and believes that He separated their sins from them and took them on Himself, and boldly proclaims “Yeshua’s my Messiah and Lord”, then you are under the New Covenant, you have intimacy with God, and there could not be a safer place than in the arms of Yeshua.

SID: Unbelievable, I mean Randy Clark goes to this little store front church in Toronto Canada and in the next few years 3 million people go through, was it 3 million that went through?

RANDY: Just in the 1st few years.

SID: In the first few years? This little storefront church?

RANDY: From all over the world.

SID: I want you to pick one person that came there that you prayed for that you received and impartation, that’s why I’m so excited about your book, There Must be More, because this book you actually pray for impartations, you got your greatest impartations from just teaching, understanding how these things operate. Do you wish that you had this information when you started?

RANDY: It would have been invaluable.

SID: I wish I had this information when I started. So tell me about one of my favorite people, you know I have a lot of favorite people that you prayed for and the whole world turned upside down in a good way. Tell us about Heidi and Roland Baker, tell me about Heidi Baker.

RANDY: Well I was preaching a sermon on impartation.

SID: Just like in here.

RANDY: It’s in there. The basis of it. And she can’t wait till it’s over, she runs in the middle of it to the front and when I see her on her knees crying I actually had a strong impression from the Lord God and I said Heidi God wants to know if you want the nation of Mozambique and she said yes. Now she’s a burned out missionary and that’s a ridiculous question to ask and it was ridiculous that she would say yes but then I heard myself say God is going to give you the nation of Mozambique and you’ll se the blind see, the deaf here, the lame walk and the dead will be raised.

SID: Now wait a second, there’s a lot of responsibility you saying something like that. Doesn’t, don’t you kind of tremble of maybe it’s just my ideas? Come on, between you and me.

RANDY: That was so strong that you say it before you think about the consequences of it.

SID: I see, you had a mind bypass.

RANDY: It really was. You know Heidi and I have laughed about it. We’re both crazy because it’s so illogical that that would ever happen from a little burned out missionary with a small little church.

SID: How many churches had she started since in Mozambique?

RANDY: Seven. She and her husband, well one in Mozambique, seven in her lifetime.

SID: Let’s fast forward right now. How many churches has she started now?

RANDY: Over 7,000.

SID: Did you say 7000? In how long a period of time?

RANDY: Seven years, and approximately 1,000,000 people have come to the Lord through Jesus Christ through there.

SID: Through impartation through this one person?

RANDY: Well it multiplied. What happened to her lasted 7 days and 7 nights and the power of God hit her, heat, electricity and energy and she heard the voice of God and went into visions and everything. But then when she went back to Mozambique she gathered 12 men together and God said now everything Randy prophesied to you, he prophesied to them and she spoke to them the same words and the Word of God came on to them too. And then they went out and that was the instant multiplication and it’s continuing, they lay hands on people and pray for them and they begin to move in gifts.

SID: Now she, how many orphans does she have?

RANDY: There’s over 1000 in the 2 orphanages but every church they start are to have an orphanage and the pastor is to adopt children into his own personal family, in every church.

SID: Now listen this is not just religion that you may be used to, there’s Judaism, Christianity, Islam, this is the same thing we read about in the new covenant, that Jesus did, the identical things. For instance, any dead people coming back to life under Heidi’s ministry of the 12 people she prayed for?

RANDY: Through their ministry at this point, I think 54 now, most of them in the Muslim territories.

SID: Now of these 54 were they dead for a few seconds or a few minutes?

RANDY: You know I forgot Sid exactly what it is but they have to be dead for several hours before they’ll count it and they have to live for a year after they’ve been raised before they’ll count it. And I’ve interviewed them. One of my hobbies is to interview people who raise the dead.

SID: Did you ever talk to any that had some sort of experience when they died? And talked about it. I mean as far as seeing Jesus or something like that.

RANDY: I can’t think right now.

SID: That’s what I want to know. What did you see? I mean everyone is going to die. You can’t avoid it. So I’d like to know what these people have seen. Wouldn’t you? Ok.

RANDY: I don’t remember the stories of that because I’m usually asking questions to the people that are praying for them because I want to see this begin to happen in my ministry and other peoples ministries. But it effects, it is one of the main reasons for so many Muslims coming to the Lord in the Northern provinces, just seeing people being raised from the dead. They went into an area where they had been for 25 years and had only 25 converts and within the 1st year they had over 200 churches started I believe and I was there and I’m getting ready to go over there in a few days, and they have 5 or 600 people baptized in the Indian Ocean every month. Coming out of
Islam because of seeing the miracles in Jesus name.

SID: Now there’s another man that I interviewed that you prayed for and all of the sudden he can see into the invisible world. I mean all of the sudden this fellow can literally find out what’s going on in heaven and become like an actor, act it out on earth, and if it’s already happened in heaven…

RANDY: We have teenagers that have gone with us once a year, a big youth thing, 13 to 29 year olds, and I know several teenagers that have had that same, that happened to Gary, it’s going on in their life including my pastor’s 17 year old son.

SID: In your book you have the prayer for impartation and my personal spin right now Randy is teaching is as important as impartation, you have both in this book but if you are hungering and thirsting for reality, if you’ve tried religion and its ok, it’s nice, friends, social, and there are a lot of nice things involved in religion, a lot of bad things too for that matter. But there’s something so much bigger, something so much better, it’s intimacy with God. I mean if you know the truth no one can ever take that from you wherever you are, there’s more. In fact that’s the title of the book, There is More. Randy would you pray for this impartation, meaning the same type of gifting he has and even greater he is going to pray upon you right now.

RANDY: Alright. Well you may begin to feel something, if you do don’t try to stop it and don’t be afraid, it’s just the spirit of God coming on you whether it’s heat or energy or you begin to cry, just go with it. Father you know the ones that are hungry, you know the ones that are wanting this in their life, you know the ones who are believing for it so I just bless them in the name of Jesus and I ask for heaven to become real to them, for the spirit of God to come upon them, for angels of God to be assigned to them, to work with them. I bless them, I pray God that the gifts of the word of knowledge, the gift of prophecy would begin to happen in their life, that they would no what others were feeling and they would feel others pain, so I bless them and I pray for Your power to flow into their body, your power to flow into their mind. I pray that you would make them a blessing because you’ve blessed them. I pray for this power to flow out of them, when they pray for people that they would feel as Paul said, energy flowing into them. In Jesus name Lord we bless them and we expect to here great testimonies of how you used them because you’re no respecter of persons. Father we’ve seen you touch all types of people and Lord even if there’s someone there now that needs to be healed, would you touch them? Heal them, let them feel your power in Jesus name; glorify his name Father by healing them. Amen.

SID: I don’t know what’s going on with you but I can just tell you as a reporter what’s going on with me. Randy I am felling such supernatural peace. It’s almost like what you described happened to you. Now I’m not going through a nervous break down of fortunately but I’m feeling this peace. What does this peace mean? I believe this peace means the presence of God has invaded you. I believe this peace means that you are ready to walk into the most extraordinary adventure of your life. Remember he prayed in the name of Yeshua, Hebrew for Jesus. Give him the credit for this miracle.