SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Chuck Missler. And Chuck, so many astronauts are reporting UFOs, but one was amazing. This one astronaut, John Blaha, a ham radio operator, actually picked up what he was saying. As a matter of fact, a picture is worth a thousand words. Let’s take a look at that now.

FEMALE (Reporter from the London Broadcasting Company): The wording is as follows: “Houston, this is Discovery. We still have the alien spacecraft under surveillance.”

JOHN BLAHA: “Uh Houston, ah, this is Discovery. We still have the alien spacecraft uh, under observance.”

SID: I have a question for you. Why is there so much misinformation? Why are there so many cover-ups? I mean, when astronauts are reporting UFOs, what is the reason, in your opinion, for the misinformation, the cover-up?

CHUCK: I would be conjecturing like most people. One of the great mysteries in this whole area is why the cover-ups by all the governments, but the most by the United States? Other countries are starting to release those information. But the United States, there is a deliberate attempt to hide this area. And that’s probably the biggest mystery isn’t this one. The biggest one is Roswell. Why does the Roswell incident, back in 1947, enjoy a higher level of classification than our most sensitive war heads?

SID: You’re from the Intelligence community. You should tell me. It makes no sense. I agree.

CHUCK: And it’s a mystery. I don’t have a conjecture as to why they’re doing it, but it’s clear two presidents and four congressmen have been unable to crack the security that surrounds the Roswell incident. Why? That’s over 60 years ago. And the mystery, obviously there’s all kinds of bizarre stories that have come out of that experience. But the real mystery to me isn’t that. The real mystery is why is it classified? Why does the government hide it? And I don’t have any conjectures. I think those conjectures are just as wild as the other conjecture

SID: Well according to your tapes, this cover-up is very unusual because some 30 newspapers reported it in ’47, and then just immediately after, what happened?

CHUCK: Yeah. Blanchard, the colonel of the base, when the Roswell thing first happened, issued a press release that a saucer had landed and so forth. Within a few hours, 400 miles away at the Brigadier General in charge of the 8th Air Force, countermanded that press release and hatched this story about it was a weather balloon and so forth. That starts a whole series of the silliest, most inane cover-up stories. There’s been a sequence of them. First, there was a weather balloon. Well that didn’t fly. They went one after the other. And to the community, it’s almost insulting because the cover-up stories are so empty, so foolish, so ridiculous.

SID: But what about that new technique, digital imaging?

CHUCK: Yeah. It’s interesting that during, when Brigadier General Ramey made his press release countermanding Blanchard’s, the press took pictures. Many years later, just a few years ago, a guy by the name of Johnson, who took the picture, we were able to get the negatives, and by using advanced digital analysis of the negatives, they were able, an analyst by the name of Rudiak, was able to use advanced information techniques to unravel some words that were on the memo that was in Ramey’s hand, and it speaks of the victims and the disc that crashed. In other words–

SID: Actually calls it, not a plane, a disc.

CHUCK: A disc. And there are victims, implying, see the stories have always said there were four bodies. Three were dead and one was still alive. That was the unconfirmed rumors that we heard. Well it turns out that that memo, that unraveling is regarded as the smoking gun because it demonstrates that the Air Force has been lying all along.

SID: Well these UFOs, they defy laws of physics. Your degree is in physics, actually.

CHUCK: Yes. The thing, the fundamentals, and we want to get right at them. We’re presuming a lot here on your audience. The UFOs have two problems. One problem is they are tangible. They show up on multiple radars. They leave physical evidence: burnt ground and radioactivity, and so forth. So they’re tangible. They’re not hallucinogenic. Radar sets don’t have hallucinations, okay.

SID: Right.

CHUCK: On the other hand, they make right angle turns at exotic speeds. They go faster than the speed of sound without sonic booms. They do things that seem to violate physical laws, and yet they are physical in one sense, and yet they’re not physical in another. Now the other area we need to just acknowledge is this is the toughest area to research because, not only because of all the hoaxes and all the crackpots that are in this area. It is because of the deliberate disinformation by the government trying to hide these areas. But the net reality is Jacque Vallee, the Frenchman and J. Allen Hynek, the American, are probably the two most of the early pioneers, the two most reputable researchers. They both came to the conclusion that these things are hyper-dimensional. They’re not extra-galactical. That’s a very fundamental insight, by the way, because they seem to pose being something that they’re not. But the real point is that we’re dealing here with a phenomenon that bridges the physical reality we understand and a reality that’s outside that. One of the things we’ve discovered just in the last few years is that some of the constants of physics are changing, that we thought were constant. And Scientific American, in June of 2005, ran an article in which they pointed out, if the constants of physics are changing that implies that our physical reality is actually a subset, a shadow of a larger reality. And when you start dealing in the UFO area that’s one of the other demonstrations that there is a hyper-dimensional aspect of this.

SID: And you actually, from your research, believe that some of the people, the report they’ve been abducted, is actually true.

CHUCK: That is the spookiest side of this whole area, and probably the classic author in this area is Dr. John Mack, Head of Psychiatry for Harvard Hospital. He’s written a book on this whole area. Clearly, and there was a conference at MIT on this whole subject, there are enormous numbers of people, some estimates are over one percent of the population, maybe it’s two or three percent, claimed to have had an experience which involves being abducted by these vehicles or whatever. And now their stories are too bizarre to accept, on the one hand. On the other hand, when you profile these people, they’re above average intelligence, no prior psychiatric history, clearly subject of some serious trauma, and not anxious. They’re almost trying to hide their stories rather than reveal them.

SID: And their stories are similar. That’s the thing that’s so amazing.

CHUCK: They’re united by some common threads. In fact, that was Mack’s challenge to the conference at MIT. He says if what these people say is happening isn’t happening, what is happening? Because these stories all have common links.

SID: I’ll tell you what. Hold that thought. When we come back we’re going to talk about how these UFOs tie in with End Times. Don’t go away. We’ll be right back.

SID: Hello, Sid Roth here with Retha McPherson. Retha, this is such an amazing story, your son literally died, he went to heaven, he came back with the word of God downloaded in him, he didn’t have it before he went, he knew two young boys that had died and he wanted a message to go to their parents and he knew where they lived, but when he came back to life and you were nursing him at home, what was wrong with him physically?

 

RETHA: He had a very bad head injury, so with a head injury on the mid-brain, brain stem, the left side, the right side, he couldn’t walk, he couldn’t talk, he couldn’t speak, he couldn’t eat, he could do nothing. He could really do nothing. That’s why we took him home, actually they gave us an address and told us to book him there, but we took him home because I knew what God said to me God said to me, “I’m going to heal this child and this child is going to tell the world that Jesus is alive.” So we took him home and we nursed him and for months he was blind, he couldn’t speak and anything of that. But while we were keeping on speaking life into him, God was healing him day by day by day. And then eventually the one eye opened but the other eye was still blind, and after the nurses left he slept in front of my bed and that night he woke me, he couldn’t speak, he was writing, he woke me and said he wants to write something and he said to me, “Did you see Jesus?” I said no. He said he was right here in the room. I said no I had a dream, like you speak to Jesus in a dream. He said no mommy he was here, he touched my eye. And the first thing I said to him was can you see now.

 

SID: Of course.

 

 RETHA: And he says, “No.” And I cried out to the Lord, I said “Lord I need a miracle now.” He says, “No, you need faith now.” Faith, and then two weeks later as I came back one night that blind eye was still open because every night you had to put sulph in to close it, and the blind eye

was open and I was just kneeling and praying softly in my spirit to him and afterwards I just gave

him a kiss like this and he did it back. And the blind eye was open and the other one was asleep and I asked him, “Love, can you see me?” And he just showed me yes. And he kept on writing and he said I told you he was here and he touched my eye. And then I realized God’s timing is just different than ours, but what God started he will complete in our lives.

 

SID: Now he is actually receiving messages from God and he is writing these messages down and you have these messages in your book, give me an example of one of the messages.

 

RETHA: One of the messages was, well a couple of months ago he woke me, he wrote this morning he said to me, “Mommy Jesus spoke to me last night about his word and he is coming again.” And these letters are on the website, you can see it there, “which is going to be very, very, very soon, do you know that Mommy?” And then he would tell about the bride, Jesus wants to

come and fetch his bride but his bride is not ready.

 

SID: Tell me about, because this is amazing when he was weeping one day about the golden bridge.

 

RETHA: Yes, He can’t cry like he normally cries, he would just make noises, and he was laying his head on his arms and crying and I said why are you crying? And he says in heaven there is a golden bridge and after the bridge there is a huge door with pearls around it. He says, “But there are people standing outside and they are crying.” And I said, “Why are they crying?” He says, “They can’t go in.” And I said, “Into what?” He looked at me and said, “Don’t tell me you don’t know.” I said, “No, I’m not sure.” He says, “There is a wedding feast inside and everybody is not ready.” So every day he will journal a whole page and that next morning he only did this, he wrote Matthew 25 and he left for school.

 

SID: And he should have not even known what was in Matthew 25.

 

RETHA: Well I didn’t.

 

SID: So you read it immediately.

 

RETHA: Yes I ran to my bible and I read it. It was about the Ten Virgins.

 

SID: Five wise, five foolish.

 

RETHA: Five were wise and five were foolish, five were ready and five were not. And I tell you this as a bride today, we are all in church, but Jesus did not come to give us religion, he came for an intimate passionate love relationship with a King.

 

SID: I’ve got a question for you. You went in South Africa to a good, born again charismatic church, the best in the city, you certainly heard the truth, what was the difference between you today, and when you were Mrs. South Africa, and going to the church, what is the difference?

 

RETHA: The difference is sometimes we are sitting in church and we think the church is the place where we can get everything, but you get knowledge. And the fruit of knowledge is works.

And I think the church today, the church is me and you, you know, I’m not talking about a specific church, knowledge gives you works, the fruit of knowledge is works but the fruit of the Spirit and the fruit of a rhema word is an intimate love relationship with a King, and the difference is that we keep ourselves busy with works instead of with the King.

 

SID: So today, how have you changed? What is different about you?

 

RETHA: My whole life changed because the night when God revealed himself to me I found out how much he loves me and it is all about love. And because God loves me so much I can walk this walk of faith, and because I know now his character, I can trust my whole life in his hands, and I can just give everything to him and just seeking his presence all the time and not seeing what I can do for him and trying to impress him with my works. It is a different thing, a whole different thing, and now the peace is always there because his presence brings peace. And as you push into God’s presence, there you will find the miracle of signs, the wonders, the broken heart healed, everything that we ever need on earth.

 

SID: But you had an encounter from Jesus, about this book, don’t go away, we’ll be right back.

SID: Sid Roth here with Kathy Walters, and let me tell you the presence of God is so strong on this set, as strong as it is on this set, take a look at this clip of just a tiny bit of the outrageous in the Spirit, normal Kathy Walters.

 

I need some more water,

I’m feeling a bit squished.

Let’s take a chance, just take a chance. Why don’t

the three of you leave. You want one person with you?

Yeah, just one.

Ok, why don’t you stay here, and the three of you leave.

Okay, I don’t really know if you are the best person but.

 

SID: Kathy, you know a merry heart is good medicine and I saw people laughing, I mean when they sent this video I believe people are going to be healed. We are being jovial and light, but people are literally healed when they are laughing. and the gold is all over your face.

 

KATHY: On you too.

 

SID: On me too, it’s contagious. I believe when people see the videos they’ll have gold, tell me that pastor that watched the video.

 

KATHY: Oh yeah this pastor he emailed me and he said he watched when it was played at the conference, and he said he kept playing it over and over and over and over, because he taped it, and when he went to church on Sunday he just started laughing and the whole place just fell apart. So it got transferred from the meeting to the video to the pastor to the congregation.

 

SID: It’s – and that’s what is going to happen with these videos you see my hearts desire is not just for you to see something outrageous but for you to become normal. Kathy, you are normal. I want the world to be normal. Will someone somewhere be bold enough to say the Bible is true, I don’t want anything short of the Book of Acts? And “Tradition” let it be on Broadway. I want reality. Kathy, there is such a presence of God, receive it all, all, every bit of it now, in Yeshua’s name, receive the glory in Yeshua’s name right now.

SID: Hello, Sid Roth here with Warren Marcus. And I believe because the Bible says, you all can prophecy, so I got a man that has equipped thousands of people to move in prophecy. He has actually got a school. His name is Steve Thompson and at the school he takes the most beautiful young people who have never prophesied before, starts activating them, and I said, “Steve, get some of those young people, take people out of the audience and then we are going to test the results. Take a look.

 

Gentleman in the black shirt, yes sir, if you could stand up.

And your name is?

Duane.

Duane, the first thing I felt for you is that you really are

a man of passion that when the Lord gives you something

you are all the way towards it and that you have such a

faithfulness to the Lord that He can entrust things

to you and it is like it is already settled.

When He speaks it to you He can consider it done.

And because He knows that you are going to jump

over every hurdle, every obstacle that the enemy puts

in your way, you are going to get it done.

You are one of those kind of guys.

I saw you as a – working like with a Special Forces unit.

What that spoke to me was that you were put together

with an elite group of people, they all had unique talents

and abilities and you specialized in different areas,

but as a unit you made a complete team.

And what I saw was you going out from like a home base that

you would have one specific mission that you were to

accomplish during that time, you would go out in maybe a

geographic region, it may just be to another part of your

city, you would accomplish that mission during the

season then you would return to home base and

await the next instruction from the Lord.

I also felt like there was an increase in your personal

evangelism ability, I saw it happening two ways, both in

prophetic evangelism and also in power evangelism.

I believe you are not going to have to browbeat or talk

somebody into the Kingdom of God, but that you are really

going to be one who, like Steve’s talked about,

you’re going to be able to connect to the Lord, you’re

going to hand out these things in the market place,

you are going to have words of knowledge where you are

going to tell people stuff that they could not possibly

have known, and so they are going to drop their

walls down and realize that God is real.

I also saw you laying hands on people and seeing

them healed, seeing them restored, and that you

brought them into the Kingdom that way too.

Amen that’s a good word.

Is that accurate?

The healing, everything, it’s dead on the money.

It’s good; it’s a good word, thank you very much,

appreciate that.

 

SID: Everyone that we talked to Warren said, “Dead on the money.” I mean these kids, these young students if they can do it, you and I can do it. But you know the thing that impressed me the most is that we had a man by the name of Robert Heidler, who Chuck Pierce is in his congregation, and Robert Heidler has been given revelation on the Biblical festivals, Messianic

Jewish rabbi’s that were there said they have never heard the prophetic understanding of the festivals like Robert Heidler, let’s take a look.

 

We know all about our traditional holidays.

I mean we know about the 4th of July, nobody has to teach

us that on the 4th of July we are supposed to have a picnic

and watch fireworks, that has just been part of our lives.

We know about Thanksgiving, nobody has to tell us

that you are supposed to eat turkey and you are

supposed to watch football.

We don’t need lessons on how to celebrate Christmas.

But our problem is we don’t understand

the feasts of the Lord.

We don’t know what they are, most of us don’t

even know when they are, And we have no idea

how to celebrate them  in a way that will allow

us to enter in to the purposes of God.

Now like most Christians today, I grew up not

knowing anything about the Biblical feasts.

From studying in seminary I knew the Bible devoted a lot of

space to talking about a series of feasts, but I had never

taken the time to study them, I figured they were just for

Jews, just for Old Testament, and so for the first time in

my life I began to seriously study the easts of the Lord,

and I was amazed at what I found.

I found first of all that God had given us literally

a detailed yearly calendar.

He had a cycle he wanted us to go through every year.

I saw that the feasts were not just for Jews.

Zechariah promises blessings for gentiles

who will observe the feasts.

Jesus and the apostles followed the feasts.

Key New Testament events took place in the

context of the feasts.

I thought this was very significant, you know Jesus

could have been crucified any time of the year,

but it just happened to be on Passover.

And He could have been raised from the dead

at any time it just happened to be on first fruits,

the first fruits of a new creation.

The Spirit could have fallen any day of the year

but it just happened to be on the feast of Pentecost.

What that told me is this, God celebrates the feasts.

God keeps His own timetable.

 

SID: I wish you could see all of this. Warren I am so excited because each person that I selected was selected by God to give an impartation for the next move of God’s Spirit on planet earth.

 

WARREN: And you know I believe Sid, that as people get this whole series and start playing it for people in their homes, invite people over, there is literally going to be house fellowships started, because the teaching in here is so powerful and impactful that it will change the lives of people forever.

 

SID: Listen, I had a Messianic Jewish Rabbi that has traveled the world with T.L. Osborne, and he has picked up that same anointing. I want you to see the power that is on this Messianic Rabbi by the name of Curt Landry.

 

In verse 107:20 it says,

“He sent His word and healed them.”

I want to make a decree right now,

it is His word and he heals us.

He is the healer.

The healer is in the house tonight.

You don’t have to look any farther,

you can be healed, He is here to heal you.

And deliver them from their destruction.

In James 5:13 it says, “Is any afflicted?

Let the afflicted one pray.”

And in the Greek that word afflicted translates out to

trouble, persecution, hardships and tribulation.

And see that’s what comes from sickness, it is not just

being an illness, sickness causes dis-rest, trouble, it brings

destruction into your money, into your relationships, into

your jobs, into your homes.

It hinders you from making car payments,

it steals your food, it’s from the devil!

And you gotta cry out, “Lord, take this devil, I didn’t get

saved to get sick, I got saved to be healed in Jesus Name!”

 

SID: The healing anointing just from that little clip, the healing anointing is just pouring out.

Imagine what happens when they listen to the whole series. They are getting all the ingredients, I want you to be laying hands on the sick, I want you to be prophesying, I want you to be soaking, I want you to be one of the five wise virgins, not the foolish ones, but I want to tell you something, Warren, my next guest, her name is Kathy Walters, and she literally, the presence of God was so strong on her that four men had to hold her up and I was worried about the men, don’t go away, we will be right back after this word.

Do angels exist? Are healing miracles real? Is there life after death? Can people get supernatural help from another dimension? Has the future been written in advance? Sid Roth has spent twenty-five years researching the strange world of the supernatural. Join Sid on this edition of, “It’s Supernatural.”

 

SID: Hello Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. I wish you had been with me at our “One New Man” celebration. The presence of God was so high, the excitement was so high, I mean we sold out before the advertising even hit television or radio. I mean we could have had five times the number of people. But it was special, it was like a one-of-a-kind event, we will have others in the future, don’t get nervous, but there was something special. My guest is Warren Marcus, Warren is a Jewish believer in Messiah, and Warren was involved in the television production there, just candidly, not as my friend not as even a board member of our organization, but as just, you’re a man I know that is hungry for God, what did you experience?

 

WARREN: Well it was an amazing event and it was an historic event. Jews and Gentiles getting together and also having teaching from the most powerful and anointed Jews and Gentiles of our time who were teaching people how to walk in the supernatural, that is an amazing thing in itself, but it was the presence of God, I mean I have documented the Toronto blessing, Brownsville Revivals, all these types of revivals and things that God has done. I have been to many of events, but this was the most powerful thing I have ever really witnessed and sensed the presence of God that you call the glory of God. What that is, is like the weightiness of God, you just sense it all around, and there were just signs and wonders, miracles.

 

SID: Speaking of signs and wonders Warren, the anointing was at such a high level that some of the speakers had the first and last name of people that were healed, gemstones materialized, I mean gobs of gemstones, we actually had them tested, and it was called uncut golden topaz, and Jeff Jansen has them happen wherever he ministers, people were coming up with piles of these.

But the topaz interesting enough is the stone for Issachar and the scriptures say that Issachar would know the times and the seasons of what God is up to. And God is up to something brand new. I want you to see David Hertszog and Jeff Jansen and people actually supernaturally loosing

weight instantaneously, let’s go to that.

 

Pull your pants up where we can see.

Yeah pull it out to the side like that.

Pull it out like that.

That was all flesh, now it’s air.

How about that?

What happened to you?

I was the right calf, it’s healed.

Totally healed, it was torn.

Do something with it now you couldn’t do before.

Pain on my neck.

Pain in your neck right here, now where is it?

It was here?

Where is it now?

It’s gone.

Where did it go?

No where, I don’t know.

Hallelujah, thank you Jesus, come on, and give Him glory.

I have not been able to lift my arms in 13 years.

I have had bursitis so bad from where I used to work.

And I can lift them without.

Lynn had – had – bursitis for 13 years.

I have never seen these before, these fell in our meeting.

Look at these, these gemstones that are falling, these are,

these are – what do you call them?

I can’t remember the name.

I can’t remember either.

They are round, uncut, topaz.

Yeah.

That’s what they are.

and I have seen these show up in Topeka, I have seen these

show up in our meetings in Nashville, these are gemstones.

I don’t know if we can get a shot of these or not, but

there’s a bunch of these gemstones that are coming.

Now listen I’m telling you there is dimension

of the supernatural, listen there is a dimension

of the supernatural that is happening right now

that you need to be aware of.

 

SID: Warren, that is phenomenal.

 

WARREN: I think it is so great that you taped these, because it would have been just something that the people there would have got something out of but now the whole world can see it. I know there is a transferable anointing when you watch it. I was watching the DVD series at home that was taped there, and I was there personally and it still, it is an incredible thing, the presence of God literally came out of that TV and I am just sensing his presence again even as I’m talking about it now with you.

 

SID: You know Warren, another thing that happened which was amazing is people were getting gold teeth and this is something that I heard that really makes sense to me, since we are both Jewish, we know of the history of our people in the Holocaust, and the Nazi’s would pull out the teeth that had gold into piles of gold teeth, you know they are getting it to make money and God is restoring gold teeth now. I want you so see this.

 

Would you come up here for a minute?

Now Barbara, I personally know you and I can

personally vouch for her integrity, personally.

But tell us what happened to you last night Barbara.

Well last night I was praying for healing for my knee

and when I got to the motel room I forgot to look in

my mouth because I was just going to look to see if

there as a gold tooth in there.

But this morning on the way to the meeting I pulled the

visor down and looked in the mirror and I said,

“Charles, there is a gold tooth in there.”

Okay, let’s get the whole mishpochah in this thing.

Charles, come up here for a second.

I know that is the last place in the world you want to be.

You notice he’s in the last row, last seat.

Now Charles, what do you do for a living?

I’m retired.

I know, but before you were retired what

did you do for a living?

I was a CPA, still am.

Okay now, as a CPA how do you account

for this gold tooth in your wife’s mouth?

I never would have paid for it.

I didn’t get you up here for comedy.

Be a straight man.

Now Larry, come here for a second, this is Larry Pratt,

Dr. Larry Pratt, tell us what your specialty is, Larry.

Doctor of dental surgery, thirty years.

Now is this good investigative reporting or what?

Now I would like the cameraman, if you would

open your mouth Barbara, I want everyone in the

world to see what God did.

Now doctor, I don’t know much about gold teeth,

but are they always so shiny like that?

A lot of times, and I put them in all the time,

I have to adjust them, get them just right.

That one is, looks new, it’s very shiny.

Now listen Mr. CPA, not someone that puts

anything over on you, how does that look to you?

It looks real to me.

Okay, thank you, you may go back to your seat.

 

SID: There is such power in the testimony. Do you realize when someone gets a healing and shares and it’s real and it’s authentic, all over the auditorium it broke out, people started getting gold teeth and I believe many, someone’s neck has just been healed, someone’s hip has just been, back has just been healed, many of you are going to get gold teeth as you hear this, look.

 

Let a camera look in your mouth, say ah.

See it.

It’s on the top left.

I’m her sister, she didn’t have a gold tooth and we joked

and said well let’s check and there was a gold tooth

in her mouth, I’m just shocked and awed.

Can I see it?

Oh it’s beautiful; let the camera catch it.

 

SID: Warren you were saying to me the impartation was so strong, what’s going to happen to our viewers?

 

WARREN: I believe as people watch the tape they are going to get gold teeth. They are going to get healed. Whatever is happening there is going to go right into them. And I know that because I have produced tapes with revivals I did and such, and that was testimonies all over, because the anointing is carried, just like the Bible carries an anointing, the recorded event and what God is doing comes out. The anointing is on that and it is going to come into the homes of people,  people will be healed, gold teeth, the whole thing.

 

SID: Listen, just the video on the soaking, most people don’t know what soaking is, but it’s sort of like marinating in the Spirit of God, and there are soaking rooms that have been set up all over the world, but Warren Marcus told me the best one was by Cindy Parton, so I had Cindy speak on soaking. Tell me what you saw with your own eyes at Cindy’s soaking room.

 

WARREN: Well I attended it a number of times and there’s 50, 60, 70 people that come to her little suburban home and God just moves. Prophecy, people are on the floor just touched by the presence of God, there’s people healed, there are people that would never set foot in a church that come into that home and get saved. And God just moves in various ways, it is just incredible.

 

SID: Okay, let’s learn a little bit about a soaking room.

 

And that’s what it is, if you look up soak it means to

drench, to saturate, to immerse, and that’s what we are

here for this afternoon is we are going to drench ourselves

in the presence of the Holy Spirit.

We are going to be so saturated when we leave

here that people are going to say,

“You’ve been in the presence of God.”

You know you don’t have to tell somebody when

you’ve been with God, they can tell by looking at you.

And that’s what our passion is, our goal is,

Bob and I have spent 12 years providing a safe place

to come into our home for people to come to receive

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SID: Hello, Sid Roth here with Reza Safa. Reza comes from a Shiite Muslim background. I come from an orthodox Jewish background, but we’re brothers in the Messiah. Now when your television program, and we happen to be on your network, It’s Supernatural, appears in the Middle East, you talk about God’s love for Israel. When it goes into Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, what response do you get from the people watching there? Because they’ve been taught their whole life what the Koran says about the Jew.

REZA: Last year, Sid, the Lord told me “Reza, teach about Israel.” I said “Lord, I’ve already got enough threat on my life, You’re adding to that fire.” So I started teaching about Abraham, God’s covenant with Abraham and the Jewish people, and we receive thousands of calls from Iranians who said “Pastor, we didn’t know Jews are God’s people, and we’re praying now for the peace of Jerusalem.” And of course, I received a call from the Iranian government. They said “We’ll give you any amount of money if you stop teaching about Israel.” I knew I’m touching a nerve when that happened, and God has been blessing us tremendously as a result of that.

SID: You told me that God showed you that there is an idol in the White House that is causing a curse under President Bush’s administration. Tell me about that. Or it would be any President that goes into the White House.

REZA: Sid, for the past few years President Bush has been breaking Ramadan fast with a Muslim in the White House. Last year, he added a Koran to the library of the White House. When he did that, the Lord spoke to me and said “Because of what he has done, he has opened the gates for the spirit of Islam to invade this land.” After that, we had a congressman who became a Muslim congressman from Minnesota who became elected. And many other Islamic movements are growing faster than ever before in this land. The church must realize that this enemy is rising up, and there is no standard, politically, against it. The church and our prayer is the only way. As a matter of fact, the Islamic community of Tulsa are bringing one of the top scholars of the Islamic community in Canada to debate me, because “this man puts the Bible on TV.” Jamal Bedawi, on the 25th of January, we’re having a debate about this matter.

SID: Now why is it that there are so many universities in the United States that are having schools of Islam? That are building big buildings on their universities to teach Islam?

REZA: Actually, the Bush administration, they allowed the wahabi movement in Saudi Arabia, to appease the Islamic community around the world, our President has allowed the wahabi movement, which is one of the most radical movements on this planet, to establish their theological school all over the United States Of America. And you’ll be shocked how much Islam is growing in our campuses all around this land.

SID: Now I must ask you one question. Our President says that Islam is a peace-loving religion. If someone says his prayers every day, reads the Koran and understands what it says, could this be a peace-loving religion?

REZA: It’s far from the truth, Sid. If you study the Koran, the history of Mohammed, the history of Islam, you’ll see that Islam has blood on every page of it’s history and it’s teaching. I am well versed in the teaching of Islam. Islam carries the spirit of violence; it’s the very initiative that spread Islam. Mohammed preached peace for twelve years in Mecca, he had 300 converts. But when the sword came, when the revelation of sword came in Medina, that changed the entire history of that religion. The entire of Saudi Arabia became Islamic, the Arabian Peninsula, and there was not a single Jew or Christian by the time Mohammed died, in the Arabian Peninsula.

SID: So we might say a nominal Muslim would be peace-loving, but a normal Muslim that follows the Koran, could not. Is that fair?

REZA: Exactly.

SID: Ok. I want you to see the contrast between the Messiah and Islam. I would like for you to look in the camera and pray for people to be physically healed. And I hear bones just cracking into place right now!

REZA: You know, Jesus Christ of Nazareth is the same yesterday, today, and forever. If you are a Christian, every time you ask someone else to pray for your healing, you’re repudiating your righteousness. In other words, you’re denying your right of getting it yourself, because Jesus has already provided for you. But those of you who are not a believer, this prayer is for you. In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth. All you have to do is put a simple trust in that which Jesus has provided for you. Father, in Jesus’ wonderful and holy and precious name, Lord, I pray that, by the power of Your mighty name, that same name that opened blind eyes in India and made the lame walk again, Lord, I speak Your healing strength to everyone who watches this program, in Jesus’ wonderful and holy and precious name. And Lord, we give You all the glory and all the praise and all the honor, for all that You have done for us. In Jesus’ holy and precious name we pray, amen.

SID: Reza, tell me the prayer that you prayed to come to know the Messiah. What was it exactly?

REZA: I just said “Lord, if You’re real, show Yourself to me.”

SID: He said “Lord, if You’re real, show me. Show me.” Is that fair? Is that honest? Is that sincere? You have nothing to lose and everything to gain. You know what I did? I had a real encounter with the Devil, and I prayed, Reza, I prayed a two word prayer: “Jesus, help!” That was my prayer. You see, the prophet Jeremiah says “In the day that you seek God with all of your heart, in that day He’ll be found.” Now it’s not an issue of “what will the religion I’ve been taught my whole life, what will people think?”, it’s an issue of “what does God think?” It’s an issue of truth. It’s an issue of forever. And forever, as the song goes, is a long, long time. If you know God in this life, you will have shalom, you will have peace that flows like a river. And some of you are experiencing, the best way I can describe it is God’s presence coming upon you right now, flowing like a river. Pray an honest prayer, just kind of repeat it after me, and do it out loud, and believe it to the best of your ability. Say “Dear God, show me the truth, and I promise to follow this truth, wherever it takes me.” If you’ll just take that baby step, that’s all God is saying.

He’s done it all. He sent His Son who died for you, and every bad thing you ever did was put upon Him. Just like the Talmud says “Without the shedding of blood, there’s no forgiveness of sin”, just like the torah says “I’ve given the blood upon the alter as atonement for sin”, it is the blood that makes the covering for your sin. Believe that the blood of Jesus washed away every sin you’ve committed, and that you’re open to the presence of God, and become a tabernacle of the presence of the living God. There is nothing, nothing this world has to offer to compare. Jesus, help. That’s the prayer.

SID: Hello, Sid Roth here with Reza Safa. Reza was a Shiite Muslim from Iran, and he had an encounter with Jesus. You were telling me that after your encounter, it wasn’t so much you saw Him, it wasn’t so much you heard His voice, but you experienced His presence. How did you sleep that next night?

REZA: It’s funny what you say, because every day I missed my prayer, I had a guilty conscience and I’d do extra prayer. That morning, for the first time, I put my head back on that pillow and I slept like a baby. And the peace that came to my heart, there’s just no way I can describe it.

SID: Listen, I don’t know what happened with you, but coming from an orthodox Jewish background, I had that same type of experience. Right after I became a believer in the Messiah, a reporter for a major newspaper in Washington D.C. did a front page story about me, and I had such trouble with my family. My traditional orthodox Jewish father, oy vey! I understand you had the same type. But one of your sisters came to visit you in Sweden. Tell me about her.

REZA: Well, my family thought I was mentally crazy. My father called me, he said…

SID: You too!

REZA: Actually they tried to put me in a mental hospital through he embassy. My father called me, he said “If you were here, I would’ve killed you with my own hands.” And he disowned me of course, as did the rest of the family. After four years, my mother and sister decided to come to see me. They came to Spain; at that time I was in Spain starting a church among Iranians. And every day, if my sister touched me, she would go wash her hands. Every time she kissed me, she washed her face. Now I knew what she was doing, because I practiced it myself. But I confronted her, I said “What are you doing?” She said “You’re unclean.” That same sister came to visit…

Actually she clogged my bathroom that two weeks she was with me in Spain, because she used so much water. She came to Turkey a few years ago when I had a healing service. She sat in the back of the service; didn’t want to do anything. And her thumb was broken or she had some problem with it, and the Lord healed her in the service without me touching her and praying for her. After the service, she came and grabbed my hands and started kissing and rubbing on them.

Muslims, when they go to a shrine, they always rub their hands on the shrine. They think the blessing comes by touching, which is very biblical. So she started touching me and rubbing her hands on mine and putting them on her face. She said “Blessing’s coming out of you.” Her son accepted the Lord the last March in Dubai.

SID: The same thing happened with my family. My mother was physically healed, and then she became a believer in the Messiah. We Jewish people and our cousins, the Arabs, need signs and wonders.

REZA: Exactly.

SID: You recently got back from India, and there was a major eruption of miracles. And these were what I call, not just simple little miracles, these were what are called messianic miracles – when someone blind can see, when someone lame can walk. Let’s go to a clip of a lame person being healed. I love the power of God! § music §

SID: Now if you thought that was something, let’s take a look at some blind people being healed.

REZA: If you look at her eyes, you can see that this woman was blind. Totally blind in both of her eyes. How many fingers do I have? Five. How many now? One. How many now? Two. How many now? Three. Can you grab my nose? Hallelujah! And he was blind in both of his eyes? Both of his eyes? Touch my face again. Touch my face. Touch my nose. Touch my nose again.

Hallelujah. How many years were you blind? For a month. Everybody raise your hand and thank Jesus.

SID: Sid Roth here with Reza Safa, and what you’re seeing is messianic miracles. When you see a messianic miracle, it’s because the Messiah is here. Now Reza, I am so amazed at what you’re telling me is going on in Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan. Literally, are there many Muslims, many Shiite Muslims, that are turning to Jesus?

REZA: According to Joel Rosenberg, over a million Iranians have come to Christ over the last three years through satellite TV. We’ve been broadcasting for four years on satellite TV. Last year we became full-time broadcast, 24/7, and we get about 300 calls every week that people come to Christ – Muslims. These are all kinds of people: judges, lawyers, all kind of radical Muslims.

SID: Tell me about that one person that his wife became a believer in the Messiah and she fell into adultery with her teacher, and he wanted to kill her teacher. Tell me about that.

REZA: The Lord is appearing to many, and many signs and wonders are taking place. This man, his wife accepted the Lord, but she fell into adultery, and he was Muslim. So one night he decides to kill this man that committed adultery with his wife, and now they’re separated. So he goes and buys a gun, and he prays. He says “Jesus, are You real? If You’re real, You ought to stop me, because tomorrow, I’m killing this man.” Three o’clock in the morning, somebody taps him on his shoulder, he’s asleep in his bed, he says “Get up and go watch TV.” He thinks it’s his brother. He tells him “Go home, it’s 3 o’clock in the morning.” The man again taps him on the shoulder. He gets up and he walks into his living room, all the lights are on, the TV is on. He looks around, he thought it was his brother, but it wasn’t his brother. Nobody was there. So he’s sitting there watching TV and he sees the Jesus movie, and Jesus is talking about vengeance; what vengeance does to people. So he recognizes that this was God speaking to him. Fear gets a hold of him, and he gets on his knees and repents. The following day or so, he watches our program and accepts Jesus. He just called me about a month ago and said “Pastor, I want to become a servant of Jesus.
I’ve forgiven my wife…”

SID: Only God can do something like that, but this is just a tiny bit of so many former Muslims
who are turning to Jesus right now. Why? Because this is God’s time for Jews and Arabs to become one in the Messiah, to take the miracle power of God… What’s going to happen when we come back and you pray for people? When a Jew and a former Muslim pray for people, what’s going to happen in Jesus’ name?

REZA: I believe God’s going to touch them.

SID: Don’t you dare go away! We’ll be right back.

SID: Hello, Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. I wouldn’t want it any other way. I love that rarified atmosphere. My guest, Reza Safa, was a Shiite Muslim,

raised in Iran. And I have to tell you, coming from an orthodox Jewish background, I’m so grateful for your book, “Inside Islam”, but I want to find out a bit about what your life was like as a young man. What did you think of God? What was your prayer life like? Tell me some of these things.

REZA: I grew up in a very religious and radical home. My father was a Muslim scholar, and ever since I remember my name, my dad used to take me early in the morning, before the sun rose, to get up and do my prayer. I had to learn to pray in Arabic by heart, because Iranians speak Farsi, which is a totally different language.

SID: So did you understand Arabic?

REZA: I didn’t understand, no.

SID: Same thing with me. I had to learn everything in Hebrew and didn’t understand a word of what I was saying. I mean we are mishpochah, cousins, Arabs and Jews.

REZA: That’s right. And so, I prayed these words that I learned by heart, standing towards Mecca, up and down, five times every day. The toughest one was in the morning, early morning, before the sunrise. During the month of Ramadan, I had to pray, I had to fast thirty days

without drinking and eating as long as the sun was up.

SID: How does a young kid do that?

REZA: It’s very tough.

SID: On Yom Kippur we had to fast, and it was tough for me too.

REZA: I remember in the summertime sometimes, because it’s a lunar month that changes every year, and in the summertime 100-plus degree weather, no drinking for eighteen hours. I would put ice on my head and put a hose, just connect a hose to the ice and cool my body down. Thank God I got saved when I went to Sweden because in the north of Sweden, the sun never goes down. That’s why there are no Muslims there, because for six months they have no sleep.

SID: But I have to ask you something. With me, it was such a heavy-handed thing. I did it because my parents insisted, not because I had a great love for God. That’s just me personally, not true of other Jewish people. How about you?

REZA: My dad had a tremendous love for God, and he implanted that in my heart ever since I was a little kid, so there was a craving in my soul to please God. I would do anything in my power. I would go at night during the month of mourning, beat myself with chains, and chant with other kids in the street just to please God. I would sometimes travel eighteen hours by train

to go to the shrine of a dead imam, pray for a whole week, day and night, in order to please God.

And so, I had a tremendous respect and fear. Of course, Islam is based upon fear, and I feared God and I wanted to please Him.

SID: What did you think, if you did at all, what happened when you died?

REZA: You always hoped. Islam is based upon good deeds versus bad deeds.

SID: So is Judaism.

REZA: That’s right. All religion, really, in reality, is based upon your works, so you hope in the end that God is going to outweigh those good deeds versus the bad deeds. And of course, there’s never that assurance or consciousness of eternity in the heart of a Muslim.

SID: What about God speaking to you?

REZA: Never.

SID: Was that part of your… I mean, do Muslims talk about God speaking to them?

REZA: No, God is so far beyond your imagination, He’s so far beyond. The unity of God, the oneness of God, it teaches that it’s beyond man’s approach to God.

SID: Ok, you go to Sweden, you bump into a couple of Christians. Initially, what did you think of them?

REZA: Well, I was a lonely person there, and I thought these Christians are very naïve, very weak looking group of people, so I thought, you know what, they could help me out; I could take advantage of them. Why not? Let’s try this out, not recognizing that God was setting me up for something massive.

SID: What would you say is the major thing that impressed you about them?

REZA: The love that they had. I grew up with six sisters. There are nine of us in the family. My sisters adored me. I sat on the couch and they served me foot and leg. But these Christians had a love that I had never experienced before. It was pure, it was raw. It wasn’t for anything else other than love of God.

SID: Now they gave you, unlike the Koran which was in Arabic, they gave you a Bible in your language, the Farsi language. What did you think of this Bible?

REZA: When I started reading the scripture, it really fascinated me, because the reading of the Koran is not in histories, it’s all “this verse and that verse”, a lot of confusion reading the Koran.

But the Bible was all stories, Jesus healing this and healing that. One thing that fascinated me about Jesus was the healing; how He healed people.

SID: I thought we Jews were the only ones who were fascinated with miracles. You mean you Arabs are interested too?

REZA: Muslims, there are no miracles. Actually the Jews came to Mohammed and said “If you’re a prophet of God, Jehovah God, then perform a miracle.” And he couldn’t of course. So in Islam, there are no miracles, so there’s a craving in the heart of men on this planet for the reality of God. They want to know if God is real.

SID: So you said a prayer to God after reading the Bible over and over again. What was your prayer?

REZA: After six months, I tried to find fault in the scripture, and I was very confused. Fear began in my heart, about, if Mohammed was not from God, what will happen? So one night I prayed. I said “Jesus, are You the Son of God? Are You what this scripture says You are? Did You rise from the dead? If so, I don’t know. I grew up in an Islamic society, they told me this is the way. If You are, show Yourself to me. If You’re alive, You ought to hear this prayer. And if You’ll show yourself to me…”

SID: That’s an honest prayer.

REZA: That’s an honest prayer. My heart is, I want God, whoever that is. I don’t know who it is.

I said “If You’re real, show Yourself to me and I’ll give You my life.” The following morning about 3 o’clock, I woke up to do my prayer. And as I sat on my bed half asleep, I heard the voice of God. It wasn’t an audible voice, it was an internal voice. And He said, He called my name, He said “Reza, you don’t need to pray like this anymore. Your sins are forgiven you.” It wasn’t so much what I heard, I felt like somebody put their hand in my gut and yanked out all that guilt and all that burden and all that pleasing burden.

SID: Ah! But what does a family do with a radical Muslim that believes Jesus is the Messiah?

Don’t go away, we’ll be right back, and miracles – I mean amazing miracles will go on.

SID: Hello, Sid Roth here with David Herzog, and we are being invaded, I guess I should be the first one to tell you, we are being invaded with the glory of God, the presence of God, the tangible presence of the Living God, and David’s book, I am so glad that he wrote it, because his book, “Glory Invasion,” and I love the subtitle, “Walking Under An Open Heaven,” when people read this they don’t have to go to a David Herzog meeting, they start operating in the glory, tell me what response you are getting.

DAVID: Yeah people read the book and that’s why it was written, to get others to actually live and operate in this glory, instead of just me having fun with it, they read the book, they get an understanding, a revelation, the glory comes on their life, and they start operating in the signs and wonders, the glory, the open heavens, encounters, angelic visitations. One lady in California came down, reading the book as she was coming down, I think someone drove her, and when she got to her mothers place, her mother had some kind of major physical injury, she had to help her mother, change her, help her walk, do all kind of things for her mother, and she read the book and realized, wow, the body parts can hear me, they understand when I speak to them as I wrote in the book, so she commanded the body parts to begin moving, first…

SID: That’s what Jesus said; you are just quoting our Master Rabbi.

DAVID: Yeah, yeah, at first she did it in the regular, okay Lord, I pray for her, I hope you do this, please do a miracle, nothing happened. Then she read the book with the revelation, then she said bones, I know you can hear me now because I read this book, and the Bible explains this, in Jesus name, bones come back into place. And the mother said she felt like a semi truck was rammed into her side and her entire hips and bone structure shifted into place and she could walk. And she was so excited she shared in the meeting and said I read the book and God used me to do a miracle and that was more exciting for me than me seeing a miracle in my meetings, someone else getting to have the joy of operating in the supernatural.

SID: David do you ever know before a meeting what God wants to do when the glory shows up?

DAVID: Yeah in the glory as I said there is no time, so because there is no time you can go in the future, so I will be in a meeting, or I will be in my room praying before a meeting, it may be twelve hours before, and in the Spirit I will see myself in the future, twelve hours in the future doing the meeting.

SID: So you become an actor on a stage.

DAVID: Exactly, I just write down like a script of a movie. And one time I saw a woman with crutches and she had a cast on her leg in the Spirit, and I was going to preach that night, and as I was in the Spirit seeing myself preach, I kicked the crutches and said you know, this one and this one, I said now walk.

SID: I hope she didn’t fall on her nose.

DAVID: Well when the meeting came I looked for this lady; I said there is somebody here in

crutches come up here right now. And at first nobody would come up, and then finally she came up, and I didn’t know what was wrong with her and I said, “In Jesus Name, walk.” And I kicked one crutch, I kicked the other, and she had the look of fear on her face, and she took a step screaming and then she was amazed that she could walk. I found out later that the doctors had not yet connected her foot to her leg, they needed to put a metal rod in there to connect it all, if she put any weight on that foot where the cast was, it would completely rip apart the bone, so I would have gone to jail.

SID: You never would have kicked those crutches out if you knew that. David, I feel the presence of God is so strong, did God show you anything for the people watching now?

DAVID: Yeah there is going to be a lot of miracles right now.

SID: Pray right now.

DAVID: Okay Lord I just pray for those watching right now, and if you are watching right now I want you just to close your eyes if you want, just focus right now and even lay hands on your body part right now and do something you couldn’t do before as I begin to pray. If I don’t call out your sickness you can still be healed, the glory knows, God knows what the problem is, but in Jesus Name I see people sitting in their living room and the first things I see is many people, scores of people that are overweight sitting on their couch depressed about it, in Jesus Name I command weight, miracles, weight loss miracles to occur right now, I command your metabolism to accelerate supernaturally right now in Jesus Name. Five, six seven dress sizes, just stand up right now and check your waistline and right now by faith just keep checking, someone else here is missing teeth you are actually missing teeth in your mouth and I command teeth to be recreated now in Jesus Name, where there was no teeth before, I see lots of tumors and cancers, I curse every tumor, every growth, every cancer, I command it to die right now, someone here is bald, you are balding on our head, either you are completely bald or balding, or bald spots, and thinning of the hair, I command hair, grow right now, in Jesus Name, in Yeshua’s Name, and I see hair starting to grow as you feel your scalp you just start noticing little hairs starting to come in, just keep moving that head and feeling it like in circular motion just move those follicle hairs right there, God is healing hair right now. And I just see any kind of, oh I see paralysis right now, somebody is paralyzed on the right side of your body and you cannot walk, your arm and your leg, the entire right side of your body is paralyzed, in the Name of Yeshua Jesus, I command the body to be healed now, paralysis go, strength and feeling come back into the right side of your body in Jesus Name, and just stand up and begin to move that part of the body. There are so many more, I just see like a leukemia, a lot of blood diseases are being healed right now, I command leukemia to be healed now, my wife is healed of leukemia, and I speak healing over your body, blood cells be healed supernaturally. People are in hospitals right now watching on their death bed, you are in the hospital, you have got the remote control, and you are watching right now, doctor’s have given you maybe a day, two days, three days to live, in the Name of Jesus I command life come back in your body, I see livers being recreated right now as you are in the hospital room, I curse the spirit of death in Jesus mighty name. People are being healed right now in the Middle East; there are people, Muslims, Jewish people, Persian people, even in Iran there are miracles happening right now as we speak in your home, I see all kind of things are appening in different countries, in the USA there are Buddhists being healed, a Buddhist monk is watching, you are wearing orange, a Buddhist monk, you are bald but not because you have a problem with your hair, you shaved your head, but that is not a problem but you have a physical problem in your body in your stomach, and God is healing that thing in your stomach right now in Jesus Name, and he is going to show you that he is the way, the truth and the life, Jesus, Yeshua, the Son of God he will lead you to everlasting life and peace.

SID: And Jesus Yeshua the Son of God wants you to know the Creator of the universe, you know about him, now he wants you to know him. You see evidence that that there is a creator; anyone can see evidence of creator, but God wants you now to know him, why? Because he loves you, he wants you to have intimacy with him and there is no other name given under heaven in which we must be saved but the Name of Yeshua, the Name of Jesus. And if you would cry out and say God have mercy, I have made a lot of mistakes; please forgive me, with your help I turn from there, I believe that Jesus died for my mistakes and now that I am clean Jesus come inside of me, become my Lord, I want to know you, I have prayed there must be something more. Now I know that you are that something more and now I pray that I know you God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. There is only one God and there is only one Messiah, the Jew, Yeshua, Jesus the Anointed One. God is so good; he really loves you. It is not an accident you are watching this right now. Wow.

SID: Hello Sid Roth here with David Herzog and David, how did you understand the difference between moving in the anointing and moving in the glory? How did you make this transition?

DAVID: Well for years I would minister in the anointing, I would pray for the sick and things would happen, but I would sense, God there has got to be much more, because I would be tired you know, after praying for hundreds of people you know, one on one, something comes out of you and you feel like a weakness, or a tiredness. I said God how am I going to reach thousands of people at one time, or millions, and I began to ask the Lord and He introduced me to the glory of God, and I realized that one moment in His glory can reach a thousand times more than me in my own gifting and anointing trying to do something. So I was in Africa one time, and I saw this with deliverance, masses of people getting delivered of demons in a couple of minutes that normally would take days and weeks to get all those people delivered of witchcraft. And the glory came down from heaven, covered the entire stadium where we were ministering, and God said to me, “Now what do you see?” And I could see angles coming down and touching the people and I would speak that, I would say, “I see angels over there, I see angels over here.” And masses of people fell to the ground and was instantly delivered of demonic influence, and it was so easy, I felt so light, it was so easy, and then I used that for healings and miracles as well, I will get a word of knowledge for weight loss, or for tumors, or for whatever, and I will see not just one person, but thousands. You know normally we pray for someone, we lay hands on them, oh God please touch them, and we are praying, we are, but there is another realm of the glory that just comes over the entire crowd and you just speak one word and it is happening instantly and not just for one person but for maybe even thousands of people.

SID: You know these signs and wonders are signs and wonders to grab the unbeliever’s attention to hear the gospel, it is that simple. But what I am about ready to show our people is so amazing, there was a woman that went to one of your meetings and sat under the glory and when she sat under the glory for hours and hours she was praying in the Spirit, and she was so in the glory that she literally, as a police officer said, went through a gigantic truck. Let’s take a look at this right now.

Two weeks later I was driving home with a gentleman from the jail with me and our two daughters from our Saturday night service, and as I was heading home to take him home, I appeared into an intersection as I was driving and the light for me was green and I was following another car through that intersection when my daughter yelled in the back stop, and I looked to my left and coming down a large hill was a big two-door truck with an eight-horse trailer attached to it and he comes through the intersection and I am stopped and he is not swerving, I can’t do anything and within seconds I feel him hit my car, everybody in the car felt the impact, just the movement of the car inside and then all of a sudden it was like we were separated from this world, it was like almost dreamy, and then all of a sudden after that happened I started seeing along with everyone else his truck, piece by piece, pass through my car. Sections of it, I mean I remember sections of it, and thinking in my mind he hit my car, I know that we just had an accident but I don’t feel any of the trauma of this accident. He passes all the way through with all of the horse trailer and I looked to the right on the on the final path in following his car, and there is a police officer there, he was one of our undercover officers, he is not in an actual vehicle but he goes up and puts a red light on and follows it, I completed the intersection and my youngest daughter got out, she was a little disturbed and we were all shaky inside, and I drove the young gentleman home, I called my husband and told him what had happened to us and he said, “You know there was an officer there, let’s get a hold of him and see what he saw.” And so the next day we found the officer who had witnessed it and he did not want to talk about it, he said I will only tell you this, he said I reached down to grab the radio to call in the accident, I saw him hit you, and when I pulled up my radio to bring it to my mouth to call in the accident he was passing through your car.

SID: That is outrageous, it is wonderful. David, how did she get into that realm?

DAVID: Well it is funny because that last night in those meetings, she was there with her church group and I actually talked about how in the glory the sound waves in your body, because we are made of sound, expand when you are in the glory, when you are in the presence of God you feel like you are getting lighter and things are just, like you are floating almost. So I was actually teaching on that realm, how it happens. And when you talk about something it opens up the realm for it to happen. Then they drive home, a fifteen hour trip, for fifteen hours or so, twelve hours or whatever it was, it was non-stop worshipping, praising God for the miracles, some of them in that van were healed of asthma, you know like they had insulin, and you know that’s when it happened and they were in such a realm of glory the molecules in their body, even on the vehicle just began to expand, like a cell phone, sound waves go through walls, Jesus went through walls when he was in his glorified state when he came back from being resurrected, so when you are in that heavy glory, the molecular structure of your body literally changes, your spirit man starts to take over your physical man and you can go through objects, you can go through walls, you can be transported and that is pretty much what happened, that glory got to such a degree their spirit man took over the physical man and even the vehicle went right through the other vehicle.

SID: Just out of curiosity David, have you or your wife Stephanie ever been transported in the Spirit?

DAVID: Yes we have.

SID: Tell me one quick.

DAVID: Okay, I was on my way I was driving from Paris, France to Brussels, Belgium, or a town near Brussels, three hour trip, I was late, my car broke down, I got it fixed, 7:30 I am on the road, my meeting is at seven, so I am half an hour late and I have a three hour drive in heavy traffic, I am not going to make it, I called the pastor, “Pastor I am going to be there at 10:30, in three hours, hopefully, I am going to miss the meeting, I am sorry, why don’t you preach and I will just come at the end to greet the people.” I get in the car and now I am just worshipping Jesus

because I know I am not going to preach anyway so I am just enjoying Jesus for me, I am not trying to get a word, I am not trying to, I am just enjoying the presence of God for as long as I can, 45 minutes in to it, suddenly all the signs change and I am in Belgium, and I look and that is my next exit and I pull up to the church at 8:15.

SID: How long should it have taken?

DAVID: At least three hours.

SID: And how long did it take?

DAVID: 45 minutes I was there.

SID: I like this glory business, don’t go away because you are going to be invaded by the glory.