Sid: Hi. Sid Roth here with Leif Hetland. Leif, you teach on regaining the vision. You teach on dreaming with God. You’re a dreamer, right?

Leif: I do.

Sid: You are a dreamer. And when you impart this, people have inventions, people have healings, people have new direction for life. They have encounters with God. Tell me about Edwin.

Leif: Well Edwin is a businessman.

Sid: He sat in on your teaching.

Leif: He sat in on my teaching and I’ve released this actually to all my team in the Philippines because I wanted every single one of them to be able to realize that there’s a dream in your life. But I realize many of them had a funeral of their dream. So they actually, the dream was dead and they had buried their dream. And Edwin is also a dreamer. And he is a businessman, owns a construction company, and he also has one of the greatest real estate company. But during the recession they were hit very hard.

Sid: Of course.

Leif: And so he went up on a mountain area where he goes alone with God. And the good news, he is a son. He’s just finding his place in the Father’s embrace and love.

Sid: He’s not an orphan any more.

Leif: He’s not an orphan now. He’s a son. And he started to dream with God. But his dilemma was he didn’t have money to be able to pay his workers. And all of those workers that is construction workers, they get paid, but not just paid. That’s his ministry. That’s his ministry in the business. So Edwin, he started then to dream with God. And God gave him a word. He said, “Your dream is whoever lends to the poor, lends to me, and I’m going to show you.” And he was driving down from that mountain and he saw a poor beggar sitting on the street. And Edwin said, “What would you like God to do for you?” And this guy said, “I just would love to have a home.” He was homeless. So Edwin, he gathered his crew and he started to dream. They didn’t have money to pay the workers. But now instead, they built this guy a beautiful house, a home. And while they were building his home, a Korean businessman, he calls in and he ordered a house. Now another group of people called in and they ordered a whole set of upper-middle class houses, and later on, there was a school. And in a matter of two months there were so many orders that came in for Edwin that he had made more money during the first two months of recession than all the previous years back together. So Edwin, he continued to dream with God and he’s doing very well.

Sid: So if you’re a dreamer with God, if you dream with God it doesn’t matter what happens to the economy. It doesn’t matter what happens in any arena of your life because if you’re dreaming with God, if God’s for you, your mother didn’t raise a dummy, who can be against you? Leif, tell me about that Filipino man that had that idea for the Korean company.

Leif: It’s kind of a fun story because also he is another dreamer. But he didn’t realize when the down luck was going to come. There was a Korean company, and it’s been on the Internet, that has been looking for a scientific and a mathematical solution. And a lot of the Filipinos, they would like to get something from Heaven that would be an answer to this solution. And in the natural they tried everything, but nothing was taking place. And he also had deemed in the presence of God. And he was actually just going to a restaurant, and he was in the restaurant heading to the bathroom. And when he’s going into the bathroom that’s when the download came. It sounds strange that he shared the story. He was in the bathroom and suddenly he got these downloads from Heaven.

Sid: Now you said, you did warn me this was a funny story.

Leif: So he took actually toilet paper and he throwed it down there and then he took it, put it in his pocket, went back home, went on his computer. And first of all, it changed his life financially speaking. He’s been made partner of this Korean company. And this is just one out of many stories. What I like so much about this story, it was that his creative solution, and I believe that with any problem that is up there, there’s somebody, God is just looking for a dreamer, somebody that will just align up with him that can solve that very problem. And that’s why this story or that testimony is so beautiful to me. There is something in each person, everybody that is watching right now, something God has placed within us to solve some of these problems. But all God is looking for is somebody that would co-labor with him, sons and daughters that would just receive from Him the solution to some of the problems.

Sid: Tell me about the Alabama pastor that sat under your teaching.

Leif: That was just a few weeks ago in Alabaster, right outside Birmingham, Alabama. And it was also an amazing service, a good old country church. But he never dreams, and he told me, “I never get to dream something.” I said, “Just watch it.” I said, “Tonight when you go to bed, just watch and see what’s going to take place.” And it was actually his wife.

Sid: You know what? That’s a word for you. Tonight, when you go to sleep, watch and see what takes place. Go ahead.

Leif: And so the wife called me the next day and then she sent an email to my office. And this was just tremendous because he said, “I never get dreams. But I saw in my dream, and it was the weather forecast, day-by-day for the next six days, I saw it in my dream.” He said, “And I never get that.” But the wife said, “In the natural, the first thing I do in the morning, I look at the weather forecast.” He’s also a businessman and they are looking at buying this big warehouse as well as office complex to remove his office. And he’s been struggling, should he do it or not? But in his dream, he got a clear answer for what is going to take place in the next six days in his dream, and he knew exactly what he was supposed to do in regard to this large purchase that didn’t make sense during the recession.

Sid: How about you? Because your dream, you’ve had a funeral for it. You’ve given up. You still love God, but you’ve given up on that dream. Or you, you have never even had a dream with God. I’m going to have Leif, in the next section, pray for you and I expect you to dream with God because you are a son, you are a daughter of the most high God, and you count. You’re special. You’re not damaged merchandise. You are fearfully and wonderfully made. You are special to God and He wants to show you. Be right back after this word.

Sid: My guest, Bruce Allen, I don’t see how he could help, but be red hot for the Messiah, with some of the experiences that he’s had on yesterday’s broadcast.  I’ll tell you Bruce, just that one story about the person getting a new heart and being verified by a medical doctor would make someone, in my opinion red hot for the rest of their life.  But that happens a lot when you minister, especially when you talk about where we are the seventh day.  And you show it scripturally, do you find that the presence of God gets very strong when you teach on that subject?

Bruce: Oh, very very often yeah.

Sid: Well, let’s go back to when God spoke to you the first time about supernaturally being transported from one location to another.

Bruce: The Lord seems to like to challenge me just as I wake up when I’m not firing on all four cylinders or eight cylinders, or whatever we are on that day.  But so He challenged me and asked me a question, “Can a man be translated by faith?”  Now, I had absolutely no paradigm for that, that’s never been on my radar to even consider.  I mean I’ve always been fascinated with the story of Philip and the Ethiopian eunuch and how he was transported twenty eight miles away after he baptized that eunuch and he was found in Azotes; and so that challenged me, because I believe anything in the Bible that they walked in we can walk in.  So when He asked me that I began to ponder shortly and then remembering what I’ve been teaching on the seventh day and the third day; I finally said, “Yes Sir, I believe so.”  And immediately the Lord responded, “Good, prepare.”  And now I’m really, I said well, “God, how in the world do I do that?”  He said, “I just told you, by faith.”  And so here I am, you know just getting up trying to wake up and God’s challenged me with something that’s extraordinary beyond anything I’ve ever really pondered or conceived of.  And so I began to pray and study, well about a week after that I got a call from a friend, this couple have a Bible college in Spokane and she said, “Well, I had a strange dream about you teaching in our school last night.”  I thought okay, that’s I teach in the school, “What was the dream?”  She said, “Well, you were teaching on translation by faith,” and immediately she got my attention.  I said, “Really,” so she told me the story how I had been teaching the class and at the break and I said for the rest of this session, you have to meet me in and she named some foreign city and you vanished, but two of the students were able to vanish and follow you.  And I said, “Really.”  I said, “Do you remember the scriptures I was using in that dream to teach?” And she thought for a moment and she said, “Yes, I do.”  I said, “Would you please write those down?”  And she did and that’s really where I began to study the word in even more depth, because I had been where do I start, where do I start?  And from that point on the Lord began to open the word to me and I discovered that this belongs to the believer.  And if we just learn to believe His word this should be a normal Christian experience, rather than an extraordinary or a one off experience.  And so I began to fast and pray and study the word and you know Hebrews 11:5 said, “By faith Enoch was translated.”  Well it’s right there in the Bible, so a man can be translated by faith.  So six months into this pursuit of God, this adventure I was driving from Seattle, Washington actually, Edmonds which is right on the water of Peugeot Sound to Spokane which is about a five and half to six hour drive depending upon the traffic.  My friend John and I were coming and we had discussed what the Lord was showing me, I said, “Let’s pray and believe God.” Because I told the Lord, I said, “Lord, I’ve been praying and fasting and studying, and I believe I’m ready for my first lesson.”  So we prayed, we put on a worship song and we started driving and I remember every exit, I remember we stopped for gas and ate.  But we did that trip in less than two hours and I got to tell you that really really put me on tilt because I thought okay, translation, I’ve seen instant translation, but you compressed time.  And so that gave me, I mean a royal challenge, so I began to not only study the word in greater detail because I know in the Old Testament, God caused the clock to go backwards a few degrees and made the sun stand still with Joshua for a full day so this is not outside the purview or the realm of the possibility of God.  But as I studied the word, I had to go to a little bit of Physics and I began to understand something that really liberated me in this; because we’re taught in school that the shortest distance between to points is a straight line.

Sid: Right.

Bruce: And the Lord said, that’s true in the natural however, in me the shortest distance between two points is being there.

Sid: Um, that’ll change anyone’s paradigm for physics.  Ha-ha.

Bruce: Absolutely, shifted me.  Then He said this “Is it possible for a man to be in two places at one time?”  Well I know He’s going to throw out anything I thought I knew again, so immediately I had to respond well, “Yes Sir, I believe it is.”  He said, “That’s true because in My word it says that you are already seated together with Me in Heavenly places; therefore you are in two places right now.”

Sid: Now, since that happened to you, has this happened again? Have you ever been translated to another city or another country?

Bruce: I was, that was, right after that we had our conference over New Years and during the conference just as we had started, I had told a friend of mine, “I don’t know why, but, he was a professional photographer, but bring your cameras and you just snap pictures as you feel led, I believe we are going to catch something supernatural.”  Now, I had no idea, I just knew that I had that witness in my spirit.  Well, at the beginning of my message, I was caught away in the Spirit and I was above the earth looking down on the nation and I saw the outline of the nation and I questioned, I said, “Lord, is this Latvia or Lithuania?”  He said, “Latvia.”  Now it was nighttime there, I saw the lights of the city.

Sid: Now, out of curiosity, “Were you a little afraid? I mean this kind of very different thing to happen to someone.

Bruce: You know Sid, what’s interesting is that in every single experience I’ve had in Messiah, I’ve never had a fear.  There is always, it’s like…

Sid: I mean it’s like when I first learned to ride the bicycle I was fearful I would fall.

Bruce: Yeah, I understand, well, I was more of a daredevil so, but no it was always, when He’s with me “How can I be afraid?”  I don’t know how to explain that.

Sid: Okay, so you see yourself over which country?

Bruce: Over, Latvia.

Sid: What happens next?

Bruce: It’s nighttime, there’s just a little bit of a cloud, you know a smattering of clouds; we came down from above, through the roof of an apartment flat and I stood in front door number 212, apartment 212.  And I heard weeping inside, and I knew that it was a child, and where as I was going to knock I immediately went no, I opened the door and walked in and in the back room was a little eight year old girl named Natalia, I asked her her name.  And I inquired, “What’s the matter?”  She said, “My parents can no longer find employment or work, we have no food, we have no money and we are going to be evicted, we don’t know what to do and she was just pouring her little heart out to God.  And so I comforter and prayed with her.

Sid: Now, wait a second, you were not fearful, but what about her seeing you in her room?

Bruce: You know that was the interesting thing; there was no fear at all.  And I’ve never thought about that aspect before, now that you mention it, but it was nothing, it was like normal.  Then another aspect was that I don’t speak Russian.

Sid: And you were able to communicate?

Bruce: Perfectly.

Sid: Okay, so what was going on with her?

Bruce: Well, she was just pouring her heart out, she was concerned for her parents, she was concerned about the future, she was concerned about all of these things. And so you know I don’t know how long I was there, time has no, when you are in an experience with God who cares about the time, so I ministered to her and then I was back, when I was done I do remember saying goodbye i.e. and everything will be okay.  I was back in the meeting ministering.  Well my friend, Bob had taken these pictures and…

Sid: I’ve got this picture in front of me and this is, I have to tell you Bruce this is outrageous, I see you in the church, but it looks like it’s not really you, it looks almost like an outline of you.

Bruce: Right.

Sid: A shadow of you.

Bruce: Transparent.

Sid: I know that’s what it is, and what is this cloud up on top of the ceiling?

Bruce: I don’t know?

Sid: I mean it looks to me if I was to take a guess, I would say that it was a glory cloud.

Bruce: Yeah, it could be, it could be, I don’t know, I don’t look at that.

Sid: Well, I’m looking at that and that is amazing.  Were there many healings that night when that all transpired and you went for a trip for Latvia?

Bruce: That whole conference was highly unusual, the Lord visited in profound ways.  My friend the shoulder you see there just as you’re looking at the picture on the left, I believe you know him, Andre Ashby.

Sid: Sure, I’ve interviewed him.

Bruce: Yeah, we’ve done a few conferences together and he moves in the glory quite strongly and I move in the prophetic and the signs and wonders happen, so yeah, there were a lot of supernatural things that did take place.

Sid: Well, I’m just overwhelmed by this picture alone, but I’m also overwhelmed about what’s going to happen to our Mishpochah when they read your book, “The Prophetic Promise of the Seventh Day” because we are at the beginning of the seventh day.  And you prove Biblically what is avail to us at the seventh day and I mean, these promises are so fabulous, but as I started reading your book I felt such a presence of God.  Now it’s brand new so we can’t talk about the book, but you have been teaching on this for many years and do you see the glory really showing up when you teach on this?

Bruce: Frequently, frequently.

Sid: And the miracles?

Bruce: I’ve seen more miracles since the Lord began to give me these revelations than at all my, the rest of my life combined.

Sid:  Now my guest, Shira-Sorko-Ram has been in Israel for forty years.

Shira:  Actually forty-four years.

Sid:  Forty-four years!  Oh, am I short changing you?  Okay, you’re right you went you went there just in time to bump into the Six Day War and you’ve been there ever since.  And you’re the best person I know to ask the question, “We see all these revolutions, at least trying to be in the Middle East, I mean it’s the most amazing time I think in my life time, seeing all the upheaval going on in the Middle East right now.  What is your prophetic sense, your Biblical sense as to what’s going on and what will happen?”

Shira:  Well, you know God’s Beloved People, the Jewish people we hear all the time “Well, we are a hard necked people, stiff necked people,” and that’s not a very good thing to brag about.  God has promised that He’s going to bring the Jewish people back into salvation, it is in almost every single Prophet, it’s in the New Testament that the Lord is going to raise Jewish people, bring them back from life from the dead and so it’s going to happen.  Now the question is Sid, what is it going to take to get our people to turn around and seek God?  Right now the Jewish people in Israel are sick and tired of religion for the most part; because the Ultra Orthodox Leaders are so, they’re not what the people want.  Their opinionated, you know they’re ritual oriented, the love of God is not seen, the love of man is not seen, you know loving your neighbors as self, they’re hard and the country doesn’t want that.  But they don’t know where to go, we have not had yet; the believers’ is this country; the freedom to really get the gospel across the nation.  However as we said yesterday, “I think it was that there are at least 15,000 people that are born again Jewish believers.”  Do you know that years ago when a Jewish believer went into the Israeli army, the officers there were very suspicious of them, they thought okay this is a cult, this is this, that and the other thing.  Today, for the most part the army is very happy to receive Messianic Jews because they know them as a hard working honest people and so even in the army there is a testimony going out.  Another thing Sid is that we are realizing our people here in Israel are not going to know that God is alive until they see miracles and we as a Body, in our congregation in Tel Aviv; we are beginning to pray for very very sick people; people with cancer, people with going blind; and we are just saying we’re going to stand with these people and we’re going to see healing.  It is time, God has promised; He’s the same yesterday, today and forever and so we are really stepping out there and we’re beginning see some healings and we’re just not going to stop.  This is where; this is what I believe is going to bring the Jewish people to know that Yeshua is truly the Messiah.

Sid:  But the pressure that is going on right now, what is going on in these Muslim nations all around you?

Shira:  Look, as you I’m sure have heard, the young people, the students, the educated, they’re seeing facebook, they’re seeing internet, their seeing email, and they are seeing a different lifestyle that they didn’t use to be able to see.  They see that there’s freedom and the people in many countries that are Democratic they’re not tortured; they’re not thrown in jail for protesting.  And so these people are yelling freedom, freedom, freedom, they want freedom and I think that they genuinely do.  The problem is that if that these authoritarian dictators go down, what’s going to move in?  It’s going to be the ultra extremist Muslim organizations like the Muslim Brotherhood.

Sid:  Yeah, but in the west we sugarcoat them, who are they really, who is the Muslim Brotherhood?

Shira:  This is the best explanation I’ve heard.  Al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood have the exactly the same goals; the goal is to raise up a Caliphate across the world where the world is dominated by Shira law.  That is the goal of both of these.

Sid:  So what’s your saying is these more moderate Arab nations where as these young kids, idealistic and they want the best for their country are going to end up even worse than they are right now.

Shira:  That is true, what the Shira law, you know if you convert to another religion under Shira law you are beheaded that’s what happens; it’s a death sentence and all of these things you know, cutting off the hands of thieves and killing adulters and all of that.  That is that is the law, and that’s what they’re wanting to do.  So I think that Egypt is one of the best examples, you see these young people that were down in Tahrir Square you know that everybody saw and they were wanting freedom, freedom, freedom.  But what in the latest elections the certain local elections there in Egypt, guess what, the Muslim Brotherhood won the elections and slowly they’re going to take over; as I said, the goal of Al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood is same.  The difference is Al Qaeda comes in with their guns blazing; the Muslim Brotherhood believe that they can take over through elections and that’s the difference.

Sid:  Well, okay I can see the handwriting it doesn’t look good for Israel outside of God, but God.  What in the world is going to cause a prosperous US Jew to want to do what the scripture say were supposed to do and that is immigrate to Israel?  What in the world would cause us to want to go there with the big mess that you’ve just painted for us and anyone that reads the newspaper knows?

Shira:  Well, if we read the prophet, it’s not just Israel that’s going to have lots of problems; it’s all the nations of the world!  I mean to me personally as an individual who is wanting to hear from God in whatever I can to me Japan is a wake up, a wake up sign; I mean that country has been devastated out of nowhere…

Sid:  Do you see that as a forerunner what’s going to happen to other nations? 

Shira:  I think, listen just like I think it’s impossible that it would happen to Japan, but it did; so why Japan?  Japan, I don’t think has been anymore anti-Israel than all the rest of the countries almost.  So yes, “I will bless those who bless you and I will curse those who curse you” and almost all…

Sid: So, what’s going to happen to the United States if we do what Joel 3 says will bring a curse and that is “Dividing up the land of Israel,” what’s going to happen to our country?

Shira:  Well, God has a lot of natural disasters at His beckon call, and I mean just in the last couple of months there’s been terrific, terrific disaster in the United States, just natural disasters! 

Sid:  But it seems to be increasing with intensity.

Shira:  Yes.

Sid:  What is going to happen to American Jews because I see the hand writing on the wall in Europe, I see that Islam is spurring anti-Semitism like the world hasn’t seen since the times of Hitler?

Shira:  Yes, well what do you think about this?  What do you think about the Standard and Poor’s declarations that the US economic standard is liable to go down within a couple of years?

Sid:  Well, I think that that anyone with half of a brain recognizes that it must happen short of miracle. 

Shira:  Incredible; you know when Britain turned against Israel and did not keep it’s word my Father use to talk about this a lot, He’d say, “Britain went into World War II with nations that the sun never set on her empire, she came out of World War II with almost nothing and she was very very anti-Israel.  If America loses its economic ability to produce then it’s going to be a second rate country; sooner than later.

Sid:  So, because I see this short window of opportunity that’s why we’ve launched Project 77.  I mean I see God’s mercy, I mean, I see Orthodox Jews that are coming to the Lord, I see the spiritual scales being removed from the eyes of Jewish people; and woe is me at this strategic set time to favor Zion, if we don’t heed that shofar call…

Sid:  Now, my guest Shira Sorka-Ram is red hot for the Messiah, I’m speaking to her at Tel-Aviv Israel where she has been a citizen and lived in Israel for over forty years.  And Shira, I remember many many years ago and you just refreshed my memory that was back in 1973 just before the Yom Kippur War; you had your own Yom Kippur War tell me what happened.

Shira:  Well, I was living in Jerusalem and there was a gal, a Jewish gal from Britain who had come to know the Lord in Britain, so her parents sent her to Israel trusting that she would forget all this stuff about Yeshua if she lived in Israel.  So she came here and somehow, I don’t remember how I met her and she moved in with me and lived with me for some time.  Meanwhile, I went for a trip to the states and when I came back I found that she was engaged to young man also a Messianic Jew.  Well, when her family heard that their daughter was engaged to a Messianic Jew they absolutely blew their top.  And there were other relatives of her, aunts and uncles that were already in Israel besides her own family in Britain.  And so they went to the orthodox newspapers and they said, we have a missionary on the street and she is taking tracks to the western wall and passing them out there, she taking tracks to the University and passing out tracks there to the university students and that she’s got to be stopped.  Well, that appeared in one of the orthodox newspapers and it was an incitement to violence and a couple of days later I heard a big explosion, I was on the third floor of a building where I lived and I opened the door and the whole stairwell was very very badly on fire and I immediately thought I wonder if the place is going to burn down and that was the only way I could get out was through that stair well.  So I called the police and they got there very quickly and there happened to be a newspaper man that was walking by or in his car going by and he stopped. And after they put the fire out he came up in the stairs and said, “What in the world’s going on?”  And I said, “Well, I believe this has happened because of my faith in Yeshua the Messiah.”  Well, the next day in Yediah Denote, which is the #1 newspaper on the back of it it said, showed my picture and said, “I believe in the God of Israel and he speaks to me.” I don’t where he got that from, but something in my conversation and here it was you know that God is speaking to me, but it went from newspaper to newspaper.  I had not actually been to the Western Wall passing out tracks nor had I been to the university, but it got a lot of publicity; in fact it actually went all around the world.

Sid: I know, I read about it in the United States, it made the major newspapers, but “How in the world did your parents put up with their daughter in Israel and a bomb is put in her house to kill her; how could they let you stay there Shira?”

Shira:  Well, listen Sid; I was twenty-seven years old.

Sid:  I don’t care my daughters older than that right now and I want her, if someone’s trying to bomb her.

Shira:  Well, I don’t know I just felt that God would protect me; I felt I was there in His will, and I was there for a purpose.  I began to see this purpose little by little as I stayed in Israel, I certainly didn’t know it at the beginning.  But I simply felt that I was where I was supposed to be and that was it.

Sid:  Shira, you have been in Israel for forty years, but there are many people listening to us that don’t know the history of Israel from just a little bit just before you even got there, I wonder if you’d give us a synopsis?

Shira:  Well, the Holy Land is a Holy Land, everybody knows the Holy Land is a place that God gave to the Jewish people through Abraham, He says “ I give it to you and your descendants forever,” and so Israel had it, but Israel sinned and so the Lord said, “If you sin Israel you will be scattered throughout the whole world, but when you come back to the Lord then I will gather you from the four winds and I will bring you back to your own land.”  Well, if anybody ever wanted to know whether God could keep His promises, here after two thousand years of the Jewish people being tossed out of their own land, even though there were a few Jews always in the Holy Land, most were not here they were scattered around the world.  Now, the Turkish Empire had this land, it was called the Ottoman Empire; had it from 1453 to 1917, that’s over four hundred years.  They ruled all this area, they ruled Egypt, they ruled the Mediterranean area; they ruled all of this area.  But in World War I, Britain and as you know the allies won and so the Ottoman Empire disappeared and the Middle East was divided up between England and France.  And so we have the whole area of the Holy Land, so in 1922 the British wrote a letter to the Jewish people and said, we favor having the Holy Land as a homeland for the Jews, 1922.  However, it wasn’t long before those that came to power in Britain decided not to do that and they divided seventy-six percent of Jordan, of this Holy Land into an area called Jordan.  And then in 1946 folks, 1946 that the year after World War II Jordan became a nation taking seventy-six percent of the whole Holy Land leaving twenty-four percent and so Israel was hoping that the Jews were hoping that they would get land, but then the British decided that they would divide it up again and it became a very nasty messy place because the Arabs were saying we don’t want any Jews here.  The Jew were saying yes, but this is the land that God promises and that you promised it.  So in 1947 the British handed it over to the United Nations, the United Nations divided it up between Israel and the Arabs.  Israel accepted it, the Arabs did not accept it and that is when the wars started; 1948 Israel declared its Independence and we do accept what the United Nations said, the Arabs said “We do not accept what the United Nations said,” and from that time on there has been war over this area of the Holy Land.

Sid:  How in your mind will the Palestinian problem be settled?  In the mind of most of the people in the west, the only way it can be settled is a two state solution of the tiny sliver of land that Israel current has.

Shira:  Right, Sid I don’t think that there is any any solution to this; I just don’t see a solution coming.  I think that it’s going to go on and on and get worse and worse for Israel.  If you want to know what Israel is most afraid of besides Iran, it’s the United Nations because the United Nations pounds away at Israel.

Sid:  Why do they pound away at Israel?  It’s obvious they do it why?

Shira:  Well, it’s very simple.  Around, somewhere around fifty nations are in the Arab League, it’s not exactly that number but around that in the Arab league and they all vote as one group.  And there’s the Muslim countries that are another great huge group and when you put those two together; the Arab League and the Muslim countries they have in almost every situation a majority in the United Nations and they simply run the United Nations. 

Sid:  So what is going to happen in your opinion?

Shira:  Well, this September the Palestinians in the West Bank say that they are going to demand the country of their own country without negotiating with Israel.  Now what that means is their saying, were going to have our own country but we will not recognize Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish state.  We will not accept Israel’s claim of defenses that she needs, like certain borders where she can defend herself and so we’re just going to declare our own state and then you know what can happen.  If Hamas takes over the West Bank, which it very likely will, then we will have rockets coming out of the West Bank, just like we have rockets coming out of Gaza all the time. 

Sid:  So what is going to happen, will the world just then legislate a two state solution to avoid this?  I mean the UN looks to me like they really want that state, a Palestinian State.

Shira:  The only person, the only country that could stop this is the United States.

Sid:  But with our current administration, I see that as little likelihood.

Sid:  Speaking about being red hot for the Messiah, I wish you could be a fly on the wall on some of my conversations with Jewish people that have received the Messiah.  I’m thinking of one man in particular; he’s an orthodox Jew, he’s Sephardic; he’s got Hispanic type of accent and he started watching our television show, it’s supernatural.  And he got up enough chutzpah, that’s nerve and he called the guest and the guest lead him to the Lord and prayed with him to be filled with the Holy Spirit and spoke in supernatural languages and so then he called me.  And he calls me about once a month and he is so hungry for God.  At the same zeal that he had for Orthodox Judaism he now has for Messianic Judaism and I mean I have never met someone so hungry for God.  And this tells me the times and the seasons were in; we’re in the season in which God is having mercy on Israel once more so that individual Jewish people can have personal relationships with God; where they can hear His voice and fulfill their destiny.  And in the United States God has shown me that we have a window of opportunity and He’s told me; look its obvious and as you hear my guest Shira-Sorko-Ram, who is a living history of the nation Israel, will be talking to her in a moment.  He has shown me what the orthodox Jewish people are saying, “We are in the footsteps of Messiah.”  We can literally hear His steps; “They would say ready to come,” I would say, “Ready to return.”  And that’s why God wants to have mercy on Jewish people, and in the United States I obtained the names and addresses of two million Jewish households.  And God gave me a dream, He told me, “More Jewish people would come to know Him through this book,” He told me what book to do, I put it together and do you know what?  We have mailed 600,000; I wish I had time to tell you the stories of so many, especially Orthodox Jews that this book is affecting; and having an impact on…and then we will seven books to seven Jewish families in the United States.  We are seeding one of the greatest revivals in history.  There is just something special when a Jew and Gentle who know the Messiah come into the love of Messiah and the love for one another.  And there is nothing more exciting than a Muslim and a Jew coming to the Messiah and talk about having shalom on earth, peace on earth.   Shira-Sorka-Ram is there anything neater than a Muslim that has an encounter with the Lord and then loves the Jewish people?

Shira:  You know this is one of the most interesting things that’s happening in Israel for the Muslim people Israel is the freest place on the globe for people to preach and evangelize Muslims.  Because Israel is a Democracy and even the ultra orthodox would be pleased to know that Arabs have become Christians instead of Muslims because they, you know the Muslim fanatism is a worry to the whole world.  There is actually things going on that we can’t give details about, but there are Muslims in the territories that are coming to the Lord in a way that is just absolutely amazing.  In one place I know whole village has come; now what’s going to happen to them, we don’t know.  We had some Jewish people that were going up there and witnessing and teaching them and but now it’s too dangerous for them to go; but here’s a whole little village that has come to the Lord.  They call themselves, Muslims for Yeshua.  They don’t know anything else, what do you call yourself?  But they have truly come and said, “I believe that Yeshua is the Messiah, and I have given my life to Him.”  So, and then there’s works here in Israel also in Israel proper; we actually support one Pastor Yoseph Hadad; his wife came from Lebanon you know when Israel pulled out of Lebanon Sid, there was 7,000 Lebanese soldiers who came along and went with Israel back into our country.  So they’re not all here anymore, but there still a couple of thousand Lebanese Arabs that are here that are nominal Christians.  Okay that’s why they fought with Israel because they were nominal Christians and Yoseph Hadad this pastor has a congregation up in the North and is evangelizing these Lebanese soldiers.  And I think what greater gift could God give to these Lebanese soldiers who fought with Israel, gave up everything; lost their homes; lost their extended family; came here but they’re now getting the word of God here in Israel.

Sid:  This is such a strategic moment in history.

Shira: It is.

Sid:  With, I mean I know you read the Bible every year through, and you’ve done this for many years, I know you have godly parents that now in Heaven that instilled the love for the Jew in Israel in your heart.  And so you have this wonderful heritage, but what is going on right now in your opinion and where are we headed?

Shira:  Right, well I remember back when my Father was still alive in the early ‘70s, someone came to him and said, “What’s going to happen in Israel, what’s going to be the future?” This is early ‘70s and my Father said, “Well according to the Bible, according to the prophets all the prophets, it’s simply going to get worse and worse and worse and worse until Israel sees that there’s no hope outside of the God of Israel; and then God, as they draw near to God, God will show them the way to salvation.”  Now, I don’t think that He’ll do it by you know a puff of wind, I believe that He’s going to use the Body of born Again Messianic Jews in this country and that’s what we’re here for, that’s what we’re doing, the number is growing, but…

Sid:  But what was it like forty years ago when you came to Israel as far as the number of Jewish believers in the Messiah?

Shira:  When I arrived in this country in 1967 I don’t think that there were more than maybe one handful of Israeli, Israeli born believers here in this country.  They just didn’t exist.  There were a few immigrants that had come, some of them from the Holocaust, very traumatized people, but as far as any kind of strong body; there was one congregation in Jerusalem of faithful people; but I mean it was tiny, tiny, tiny there was almost no Jewish believers in the whole country. 

Sid:  Today, what is it like?

Shira:  Today the newspapers are right, that there’s around fifteen thousand Messianic Jews around the country.  And as you probably know, the Orthodox of the Ultra Orthodox do not let the Messianic Jewish people use radio or television; we have no television possibility stations or radio.  Whereas they have multiplied billions of shekels that the government gives them from every possible corner, but they are very afraid of us and they don’t give us the freedom to use TV.  But lately there are more and more items on the news itself that is talking about the Messianic Jews and it’s getting more let’s say objective, then it was in the past; when we were just considered a cult or a bunch of screwballs.  In fact just a week or so ago there was a long I think thirty minute or forty minute broadcast on station Channel #1 of Israel and they even used part of the footage that we ourselves, MAOZ had filmed and we filmed a protest of Ultra Orthodox Jews in Ashdod.  And in Ashdod it was in front of a Messianic Jewish Congregation and this Rabbi set himself up a platform, loud speakers and everything and he started yelling at his 1,000 guys, you know his Ultra Orthodox that they had bussed in.  And he said, “The Messianic Jews are like Hitler. Hitler wanted to destroy us; the Messianic Jews want to destroy us just like the Nazis.  Well, we filmed it.  We sent someone there and we filmed it and the Channel 1 took it and blasted it across the screen and of course Israeli’s were horrified.  So it really showed that we as Messianic Jews obeying the law, paying our taxes are people serving the army.  And while as the Ultra Orthodox do not serve in the army, they don’t pay taxes, they don’t work, they expect the government to give them money to live on so that they can study the rabbinical books.  And I think, I think the tide is slowly, its slow Sid, it’s slow, but it’s still turning.

Sid:  But there is some pretty ferrous persecution of Messianic Jews in the land of Israel.  It’s not as easy as they in the United States; we’ll pick up right here on tomorrow’s broadcast.

Sid:   My guest Shira-Sorko-Ram, I have known for many years, personally read her newsletter; I think that it’s the best newsletter from the Middle East.  And she is a walking history because forty years ago, in 1967 she went to Israel and she’s been there for forty years, it happened to be right at the Six Day war.  And then they had the Independence Day Celebration, I’ve been in Israel for Independence Day, everyone goes out in the streets and they act just a little Mischugah.  Is that right Shira-Sorko-Ram, a little crazy?

Shira:  Well, it’s completely Israel; it’s not like anything else.  You know the soldiers and the people get out in the streets and they dance in circles, especially up in Jerusalem; yeah it’s a happy time, but it’s not like a bad time; they’re not doing crazy things like you know, the carnivals.

Sid:  No, but what I’m saying is that they get so excited, I mean it’s a happening is what I’m saying. 

Shira:  Right.

Sid:  So, you were talking about that first celebration just after the Western Wall was in Jewish hands for the first time in how long?

Shira:  Well, since 70 AD.

Sid:  Wow.

Shira:  Jerusalem came back into the hands of the Jewish people, that’s a long, long time; nineteen hundred years.

Sid:  So the euphoria must have been over the top at that time!

Shira:  It was, it was and some of the things that people would say I couldn’t help but be excited about it even though I knew it wasn’t going to happen the way they thought.  They were saying things like this, “The Jewish people have now shown the Arabs that the Arab’s can’t win.  So this is going to be the last war; these are the days of the Messiah, this is the last war, there’s never going to be another war because Arabs know they can’t win.  And there were these little stickers that everybody had on their cars and it said, kol hakavod l’tsahal which means all the honor goes to the army and I knew that (HA) I knew that wasn’t a very smart thing to say; And let me jump six years ahead in 1973 when the terrible Yom Kippur surprise war came against Israel.  You didn’t see any more all honor to the army, the sign changed.  The stickers were different, they said, “Israel trust in God,” that was big difference.  But the euphoria lasted for six years, it lasted from ’67 to ’73 when the terrible Yom Kippur surprise war when the Arab countries attacked Israel.

Sid:  Were you living there, I know that you were living there, but were you there at the time of the ’73 war?

Shira:  I was not, my Father had passed away and so I was in the states with my family at that time.  Now when the war took place oh, I was absolutely stunned as everybody was because it was a complete surprise.  And I wanted to get back there; I wanted to get back into Israel, but my family asked me that I stay a little bit longer with them.  So I went back about three months later and the country was completely different Sid.

Sid:  In what way?

Shira:  People were depressed, stunned; from that time on even violence in the country went up.  And back in 1967; yeah there were sometimes somebody would break into a car and steal, but I mean you never heard of murder or violence; it just didn’t happen; it was remarkable.  And I came from Dallas where you couldn’t even walk down the street back in 1967 at night in certain parts of the city.  But in Jerusalem you could walk anywhere at any time, it was a really interesting change in culture.   But ‘73 happened and our country, Israel started going downhill, it’s never recovered since then.

Sid:  Now looking, remembering what Israel was like forty years ago and looking at Jerusalem, looking at Tel Aviv would you have ever thought it would make that kind of transition?

Shira:  No, it’s completely impossible to figure how this has happened.  Here is Israel surrounded completely by those who want to destroy the country and yet the economy booms, skyscrapers are going up; the shekel, our money is stronger than the dollar.  I mean can you imagine?

Sid:  Now, listen I wish all of my money was in shekels rather than dollars; I know what’s going on with the Israeli shekel.  With all of the deal with Iran and all these nations I mean nothing has changed; it’s still an impossible situation and yet Israel was prospering!

Shira:  It’s a start up nation; it’s a start up nation!  It has more start ups per a person than anything country in the world!  It’s a remarkable sign to me that God has not left the Jewish people; they, I know that the Jewish people are brilliant, but they’re not that brilliant!   I mean is amazing that this nation is growing, it is so much higher standard of living than any nation around it and yet it has to defend itself against total destruction every moment of every day.

Sid:  Now, going back to the Yom Kippur war in 1973, I have heard many accounts of miraculous things that occurred for Israel to have won that war!

Shira:  Oh, it is, it is! I think that the war lasted nineteen days.  And you know Syria was on its way into Northern Galilee.  The Jordanians actually stayed out of the war; that which was very smart of them by the way; but Egypt attacked and came up the Sinai and it could have gone either way.  It could have gone either way when you have those two large armies doing a pincher act against Israel; it is amazing and miraculous!  There’s many, many stories; there is one fellow that had a, that was in a tank going up the Golan Heights and his unit all the rest of the tanks were knocked out by the Syrians and he took this tank and zig zagged it up the Golan Heights.  And it was at night so that the Syrians thought it was several tanks you know; they couldn’t imagine that this is one tank it was finally blown out.  He found a couple of other tanks twice and he changed tanks and went zig zagging all over the place you know with his tank and knocking positions of the Syrians out and he is today one of the Israel’s greatest heroes.  I do not believe this man could have done this without the hand of God, because the Syrians were coming down the Golan Heights, they were ready to take over the Galilee.  And you know what that would have been, that would have been a slaughter of all the Jewish people in the Galilee area, which did not happen.

Sid:  To me, the greatest reality that our God is interested in us as individuals is the creation of modern day Israel and the survival of modern day Israel.

Shira:  Yes!

Sid:  I mean there is no other explanation to why Israel exists so that begs the question; here you have Iran; Iran wants to nuke, its very obvious wants to nuke Israel.  How do you live under that pressure?  As a believer I know how you live, but how does a nonbeliever live under that pressure?

Shira:  I want you to know that Israeli’s are very very fearful, they know what Iran is saying she’s going to do.  Iran, Ahmadinejad is talking exactly like Hitler did, exactly.  And back in Hitler’s day this is what Israel says, the nations did not take him seriously and their not taking Ahmadinejad seriously, when he says that he’s going to wipe Israel out; and so there’s great fear, there is great great fear over this.

Sid:  As a believer, you’re obviously concerned; do you believe he’s going to nuke Israel?

Shira:  Well, Israel is very tiny, so I don’t see that God is going to let Ahmadinejad nuke Israel; I just don’t see how that can happen because it would knock the country out you know with the radiation and everything else.

Sid:  You know Shira; I’m much more concerned about the United States than Israel, because the Bible does talk about what happens to nations that divide the land of Israel.  You know were out of time right now.

Sid:  Well, I have on the telephone from Tele Aviv, Israel Shira Sorko Ram.  As far as I’m concerned Shira and her husband Ari put out a newsletter from Israel.  There organization is called, Maoz.  Shira, Maoz means strength.

Shira:  That is correct.

Sid:  And I image a lots of people get your newsletter and don’t know even what Maoz means.

Shira:  No.

Sid:  Now what is behind, why would you pick Maoz, that word for your ministry?

Shira:  We took it from the scripture, the Lord is my strength.  And the word for strength is Maoz.  It means fortress or strength and so we said, “That’s what we’re going to have to have in order to make any type of impact in Israel.”

Sid:  Well, you should know because forty years ago in 1967 you emigrated from the United States to Israel.  Now let’s be candid, most American Jews haven’t even been to Israel let alone are thinking of Aliyah or becoming citizens of Israel.  And forty years ago there was probably even less talk about that.  What caused you to leave the wonderful American lifestyle and go to Israel?

Shira:  Well, we were getting ready, my family and I were going to have a tour here and so we were planning to get here in October 1967 and while we were planning that the six day war took place when in six days Jerusalem came back into the hands of the Jewish people.  Judea and Samaria, Gaza, the Golan Heights, even the Sinai Desert, they all came back into the hands of the Jewish people.  And so that raised an interest in my mind because I was saying this is a sign of the last days.  Jerusalem coming back into the hands of the Jewish people is a sign of the last days.  And so that’s when I began to think a little bit stronger about coming to Israel.  Now also I know that this a fact that when I got here many young Jewish men and woman from the United States immigrated at that time.  There was a big immigration of young people from the States.  I don’t know if it has ever been like that since, but there was just a number of thousands of American Jews who came at that time because of the excitement of Jerusalem coming back into the hands of the Jewish people. 

Sid:  But you went by yourself, am I right?

Shira:  Well, I came over on the tour and I was getting ready to go back on the tour and we were standing out in front of a hotel, that was it getting ready to get on the bus to go to the airport and the bus came late.  And meanwhile I was talking to my Father because I had been working in documentary films and my Father said, “You know this is remarkable what’s happening in Israel.  I mean, even the people themselves are saying “The days of Messiah are here,” people that did not know who the Messiah was, but they still said, “Something’s happening.”  So he said, “Why don’t you make a documentary film about what God is doing in Israel by bringing the land back into the hands of the Jewish people.  And so because that bus was late, I decided I would stay here for a few days and then I decided a few weeks, and then a few months and at that time I was hooked, I was here.

Sid:  But what did your parents think about you being, I mean that you’re young, your single, you’re there in Israel by yourself.  What did your parents think about that?

Shira:  My father is a man of prayer; he was a man of prayer he has gone on to his reward now.  But he loved Israel and he prayed for Israel all the time; wrote about Israel, and I do believe that I’m here.  My life is spent here in Israel, because of the prayers and the love that my Father had for Israel.  So yes I’m here,

Sid:  Okay what was it like forty years ago in Israel?

Shira:  Totally amazing, I can remember the first Independence Day after the Six Day War.

Sid:  Now at that time, they hit you on the head with those little funny hammers that were plastic?

Shira:  They had the hammers.

Sid:  I’ve been out there in the streets when that happens.

Shira:  Oh it’s terrible, but any way…

Sid:  It doesn’t hurt, but okay. 

Shira:  I was living in Jerusalem at that time, I lived in Jerusalem for six years after you know getting there in 1967 and everything is new to me.  Everything is new, I didn’t know what to expect.  But on the Independence Day, which was in the May of 1968 okay, so it’s the first Independence Day of Israel when Jerusalem was back in the hands of the Jewish people. 

Sid:  That had to be so exciting. 

Shira:  Well here’s what happened, I went out of my house and I saw people everywhere moving in a certain direction which was towards the Western Wall, you know, the new Western Wall as far as Israel is concerned.  So I followed and there were thousands of people, they were all making their way to the direction of the Western Wall.  Well it filled up very fast, but outside of the city gates of Jaffa around the old city there were, I don’t know maybe 50,000 people and I stood there and they all started singing this song which all Jewish people know, “Jerusalem of Gold,” And they started singing Jerusalem Jerusalem of Gold and you could image how it sounded for 50,000 people sponteously singing about Jerusalem, it was earthshaking I have to say.

Sid:  I can feel it as your saying that.  So you’re swept with this crowd, there looking at the Western Wall for the first time in Jewish possession, what a moment!  You had no doubt that you were suppose to be there at that point I’m sure. 

Shira:  Oh, it was a euphoria that lasted in Israel for about six years.  It lasted from 1967 six day war until 1973 the Yom Kippur War when the Arabs did a surprise attack on Israel and 2,000 soldiers were killed.

Sid:  I’ll tell you what, hold that thought, but there is so much history in Shira-Sorko-Ram that I want to get it out in this interview…

Sid:  My guest Steven Brooks has moved in the anointing, has had visitations from the Lord, has seen healing and has now moved into miracles.  And Steven, tell me about the woman in California that had five broken bones.

Steven:  Well, Sid I was hosting a conference and this dear sister flew from California all the way out to North Carolina to attend this meeting and she came on purpose because she believe that God would do a miracle, she had an accident with her foot and had the doctor examine her foot.  Even had the x-rays showed that five bones were completely broken and not even really broken and they were shattered and caused all kinds of problems for her foot so she came to the meeting.  And I got so involved in the meeting because I was preaching and ministering and doing other things that on the last day, I realized that I never even specifically prayed for her and so on the last day just before the last meeting, I prayed for her.  I asked God to do a miracle in her foot and Sid on the last song that night, just a few hours later as the meeting was closing she came dancing down the aisles in front of hundreds of people completely healed all bones completely mended and made brand new. 

Sid:  And I understand she had an x-ray because you always look for verification, what did the x-ray show?

Steven:  Well, she went back to the doctors.   The doctor reexamined her, the same doctor and said, “I actually made a mistake; you actually broke seven bones, the other two I could not see.”  And he said, “I have never in my life seen such phenomenal new bone growth development as this.”

Sid:  Steven you’re seeing miracles like I only hear about in India now breaking out in the United States, but tell me about a few things that are going on in India.   Tell me about some deaf mutes and especially the woman that was paralyzed.

Steven:  Well Sid, I was ministering at a church there over 2,000 people in the meeting and as I was ministering to the sick, they were all hard cases; there was no easy cases, no little headache; nobody with a little arthritis in their elbow; all hard cases with either leprosy, or massive infections or just things diseases that would just break your heart.  There were people that had just huge chunks of flesh missing from their bodies and just raw open wounds.  And so I had my work cut out for me but I knew the Lord Jesus was going to touch them and heal them.  And sure enough God’s power fell in the meeting and the Lord began to heal a few Christians, but there were also Hindus in the meeting that were not yet believer’s they came to the meeting just expecting that God would do something for them.  And God began to heal the Hindus.  But Sid, even out of all the people that were being healed, there was one person in the crowd to me that looked worse than all of them, even when you are under the anointing your natural mind still operates and my natural mind said, “Wow, that one is a tough one right there.”  It was a young woman in her early twenty’s, they had brought into the meeting and laid out on the front row.  She looked like a sack of potatoes and she was partially paralyzed and she could not operate any parts of her body.  She also suffered from type of blindness you could wave your hand in front of her face and there was absolutely no response; she was demon possessed and it was just an absolute heart breaking situation.  And when that anointing fell and God began to do miracles they helped her up and she stood before me and I took about five minutes and Sid, I prayed with everything I had for her, this wasn’t just like you touch a person and okay let’s move them out of here real quick because we don’t want anybody to know that nothing’s happening.  No I took the time to pour everything I had into her and after about five minutes they took her on off.  But Sid, when they carried her off she looked exactly the same as she looked when I prayed for her.  But I knew the anointing; God’s power had gone into her body and so later that night God continued to do miracles.  But the next morning, the next morning right at the height of praise and worship when the whole church was worshipping the Lord in walked that young woman, she had walked in she was completely healed.  She had rays of light streaming out her face; all the paralyses had left her body.  She had been demon possessed, they had been driven out and she was a Muslim; we didn’t even know that.  It is very rare to see a Muslim give their whole heart to the Lord like that even in a Hindu culture.  It absolutely shook the church, the miracle was so powerful.  The pastor got her up on the stage, had her walking up and down, had her doing all kinds of exercises.  Just absolutely…

Sid:  Briefly, tell me about that youth conference of young people in Nepalese.

Steven:  That was in the foot hills of the Himalayan Mountains.

Sid:  You got to tell me about the golden rain though.

Steven: I tell you Sid, as we began to worship the Lord one night, God Spirit fell in power and were starting to see these things in America, but I’ve seen it in other places that’s why I know that that real power there is no substitute for it.  I’ve seen God move and we got to contend for God’s gold standard is best.  That night the power fell so strong in the Himalayan Mountains that it just wiped out over 400 young people.  People were delivered and just deep operations of the Spirit that God was doing on people.  Miracles happening in peoples physical bodies, evil spirit leaving young people that had gotten caught up in drugs and immorality , just tremendous outpouring of the Spirit.  Sid you could look up with your face and literally feel raining falling on your face inside of the building, golden rain just streaming, just falling all over your face, going all over the body.

Sid:  People felt it, could they see it?

Steven:   You could see it, you could feel it, you could even taste it, it was just accelerating.  It was a charge beyond, it was just absolutely like standing underneath a waterfall, a huge rushing water fall, the Spirit’s power came in such a great measure.

Sid:  Well, I believe that rain, that anointing is on your brand new book “The Sacred Anointing.”  And as you teach on the sacred anointing things that the Lord has taught you, the anointing literally falls on the people as you read it.  I believe if you’ll teach for just a couple minutes right now,  no more than a couple of minutes I believe people will start getting healed.

Steven:  Sid, the Bible tells us that the anointing in Isaiah 10:27 removes the burden and destroys the yoke.  You know the burden ways you down and pushes you over.  It is good to get rid of the burden, but if the yoke is not destroyed, we still have a problem.  The anointing of God removes the burden; it actually lifts you back up.  You can hold your head high and worship the Lord, and it will absolutely destroy and demolish the yoke.  Anything the devil has done to hold you down to try to destroy your lives, God’s removing that right now, I feel that anointing falling.  And I even see in the Spirit right now, yokes being shattered and broken off of people’s necks.  Financial yokes that are being broken right now, expect a miracle deliverance financially.  God says help is coming, I also see a physical anointing for a miracles happening right now.  God’s touching knees, you’re feeling a heat, a fire in your knees.  If you are sitting down I want to ask you to get up, begin to move your knees around.  Do some gentle small squats, begin to exercise those knees, you’ll find the pain is gone.  You’ll also begin to realize that there is new synovial fluid that God is putting into the knees right now.  I’m specifically speaking to those of you that have had knee operations get up and receive your miracle, you’ll even find that that metal will dissolve Dr. Jesus is working now giving brand knew knees receive a creative knee miracle now to the glory of God.  The anointing is moving up to eyes, God is not only healing eyes but He is releasing a prophetic anointing to see, like you’ve never seen before in to the miraculous realm into the realm of the Spirit and into the realm of faith.  There is new eyes for seeing the eyes of faith like Jesus sees it.  There is no situation that is hopeless, there is nothing that is impossible; God’s anointing eyes, you’ll feel fire on your eyes right now.  Brother Sid, there is fire coming on people’s hands, that is a tangible anointing that God is releasing you.  If you are sensing a fire, a heat in the palms of your fingers receive a healing anointing now, friends as receive that anointing please take note that you are responsible to exercise that gift and that grace the God is imparting to you right now.  God find somebody to release that anointing now in the name of Jesus. 

Sid: you talk about the importance when people receive this anointing…they will receive that anointing of not to ever take any glory for yourselves, speak to that.

Steven:  That’s very important Sid; it’s the Lord Jesus Christ that does the miracles.  It’s His power, all we are vessels that the Lord can flow through, it is just like a vessel that will hold water out into a vase that’s all we are, we’re just a vessel and the more humble and the more gracious and the more loving that we can walk in the Lord’s character and His attributes the greater the power and that anointing that he can flow through us. 

Sid:  And you talk about a prophetic word that when the foundation stone of the temple is laid what’s going to happen to the church?

Steven:  Sid, we’re overdue a great outpouring of the Spirit, it’s coming soon.  I believe an indicator that we can see a great release, and we’re going to see things even before this, but were going to see a wave of glory like we never seen before and it will be released when they lay that foundation for the temple that is going to be built in Jerusalem.

Sid: When do you think that will laid?

Steven:  I think that we are just a few years out, but we don’t want to say well we’ll wait until we see it until we start praying for the sick or believe God for miracles, things are happening now.  But there is going to be an acceleration when we reach that point there will just be an outpouring like we have never seen before.

Sid:  I’m speaking with Steven Brooks and you come on in and you ease drop in our conversation.  Steven we’re talking about your brand new book, called the “Sacred Anointing.” You make the point that until even Jesus Himself was anointed he did no miracles.

Steven:  That’s correct, Sid sometimes we have certain traditions that said, when Jesus was a young child He fashioned some clay into a pigeon and threw it up in the air and it turned into a bird and flew off.  But that’s, none of those things happened, the Lord Jesus did not do any miracles until after he has been anointed by the Spirit which conveys to us the truth that we need to be anointed by the same Holy Spirit to do the same works of Jesus. 

Sid:  And you had a series of visitations and the Lord began dealing with you to study the anointing and you go into such depth in your book, but there’s Biblical oil that I never even thought about that you talk about that you talk about, I believe its pronounced Onycoo (?).

Steven:  Onycha or onycoo(?) and this is an oil that’s actually used in compounding the holy incense that was used back in the Tabernacle of Moses in the book of Exodus Chapter 30, it talks about that.  But this oil, I’ve have that manifestation of this oil Sid in many of my meetings and its fragrance is unmistakable.  Many people that have ever been sick, if they have to go to a hospital have smelled that super clean hospital smell.  And it’s very sterile, very clean germ free, bacteria free atmosphere.  And many times in my meetings the fragrance of onycha will come forth because that clean hospital fragrance is derived actually from benzene which is a product a derivative of onycha and it’s that super clean hospital smell.  Sid, last year I was ministering in a church in south India, several thousand people were in the meeting and there were many people in the meeting that had a problem with either an infection, in this area I was ministering at they had no access to a doctor so there were some very difficult infections to deal with.  People with ooze flowing out of ears, big open sores on legs and on people’s bodies, some of the people were cases of leprosy with horrendous infections and it was very difficult for me to minister.  And even though I had come into this meeting with much prayer and seeking the Lord, the sickness and the disease was a very oppressive atmosphere to minister in. But as I began to minister and put my whole heart into it there was a breakthrough and suddenly a fragrance swept over all the people and it was a fragrance Onyca which was that fragrance of that super clean hospital smell and the moment that fragrance went out over the people all over the place people began to get cured and healed from very very bad infections. 

Sid:  Is this the only time you’ve seen this or does this happen on multiple times?

Steven:  It’s happened multiple times, more times off the top of my head then I can even count where people have infections, where there’s sinus infections or maybe some type of infectious bacteria they picked up and the doctors came out, even when their treating with antibiotics cannot seem to get rid of the infection.  When that anointing comes in that’s one of the aspects of the Lord Jesus’ anointing, when that comes in it just begins to wipe that stuff out, it cannot stand up against the anointing of God’s Spirit.

Sid:  Well, you know one of our staff read your book, even though it’s out now, but this is before it even was published and she started smelling fragrances.

Steven:  Praise the Lord, that’s one of the manifestations I have many times in my meetings, when the Lord Jesus honors His word that is preached.  And often I will preach on these subjects that comprise the Holy anointing oil, the different materials that comprise the Holy incense, and as I teach and I minister on that often times the very same fragrances will manifest in the meetings or even over when people listen to a CD on the teaching, they’ll begin to smell the fragrance in their house.

Sid:  Well, I think it is amazing is that you were teaching on this in Jerusalem and you were on national television and what kind of reports did you get from people watching it on TV?

Steven:  We had people even send in emails from the internet from China, which is very risky and dangerous for them to do, but they were so touched because they were watching a live streaming over the internet of the meetings and as I taught on this subject on these fragrances and how they represent the character of the Lord Jesus Christ, they began to smell these fragrances in China in underground churches.

Sid:  I always like specifics; give me specific person like someone in India; I remember reading about someone with an ear problem.

Steven:  Well there was one dear man Sid, he was probably about sixty years old and he had such a look of pain and anguish and torment on His face.  This dear man he had no option to go to a doctor and he had fluid flowing out of his ears, infected fluid that was green with pus and it was green and yellow flowing out of his ears.  And you could just see the torment on his face and I just felt such compassion for that dear man and I prayed for his ears and I asked the Lord Jesus to heal his ears.  And that fragrance of the Lord Jesus went through the meeting again and went over that man and when he left the meeting, he didn’t look any different, but when I saw him the next day Sid, he looked like a light bulb that was light up he looked like a neon sign.  All the pain was gone, all the infection had completely left, all the fluid stopped draining and the Holy Spirit completely cleaned his ears out, he could hear perfectly. And it just so blessed my heart to see the Lord Jesus undo the works of the devil.

Sid: And so when this happens many times the people in the auditorium can actually smell an aroma like disinfectant.

Steven:  That’s correct; I’ve had it happen in meetings in America recently when I was ministering in Maryland the fragrance of the Lord came in so strong it almost made some of the people on the front row completely fall out.  It was so overpowering, God began to heal people all over the place, I especially called for the young people, those that were eighteen years old and younger who have never stood in the glory atmosphere like that to come up and the young people were deeply, deeply touched.  And this is was a glorious outpouring of God’s Spirit and this was in Maryland. 

Sid:  What I think is wonderful, it’s wonderful if you smell it, it’s even better if someone else smells it, but you have times when almost the entire audience can smell it; like tell me that time in Wilkesboro, North Carolina.

Steven:  Well, I hosted a meeting one time, my wife and I here in Wilkesboro, North Carolina and the fragrances of the Lord were released so strong in the meeting.  Now Sid this was right in the middle of winter, its twenty degrees outside, it’s cold, it’s rainy, it’s cloudy, and we had a wonderful turn out that night.  But that night some of the most wonderful fragrances came through, it was the Lord Jesus encouraging us.  Fragrances of coconut and all of these tropical, you could literally close your eyes and feel like you got transported to a tropical island.  It was the most outrageous enjoyable thing, it was just hilarious; and people all over the room were experiencing it.

Sid:  And you point out that when someone uses holy anointing oil that oil changes things, just as the anointing in an individual changes things, explain.

Steven:   Well, that anointing oil is a type of the Holy Spirit and as we lay hands on people and anoint them with oil, I’ve had just evil spirits leave instantly, come out of people the moment that oil goes up them.  And see what’s wonderful is that that oil will stay there and saturate and soak in to them, that anointing can go into them and the evil spirit have to leave, the sickness and the disease, it has to leave, that anointing will just eat it up, it will absolutely drive it out.

Sid:  Well, when you teach on the anointing oil this happens, they literally change and ….What do you believe in your heart of hearts, because it’s brand new it’s literally just off the press, is going to happen to people that read your book?

Steven:  Sid, I believe that miracles are going to happen.  I actually believe that miracles are happening right now, the Holy Spirit is revealing to me that right now people are having their ears healed.  If you ever had a problem with deafness, having their ears healed, if you ever had a problem with deafness, in ability to hear properly the Holy Spirit is actually cleaning out ears right now, ear that have been damaged from a loud noises or gunshots or something that has damaged.  Somebody has had gunshot, so much gunshot noise, I sense that you are in the military and your hearing has been permanently damaged.  You are being completely healed right now, right now.  Oh glory to God, there is infections in people’s noises and somebody has infections all in your throat, you have lymph nodes out of control completely in your throat and in your armpits, God is healing your body right now, that infection that has completely thrown your blood off is completely healed right now; receive that healing power of the Lord Jesus. 

Sid:  Oh, I don’t know about you Mishpochah, but I am just receiving such a tangible presence of the Holy Spirit in my studio right now that I believe when you read Steven’s book you are going to be basking in the glory of God.  If that’s all that would happen that would be wonderful, but as Steven points out when you’re in the presence of God, something changes and it’s not God, He changes not, you change you start getting healed from the inside out.  And I heard Steven as you began to move in words of knowledge that someone’s back was being healed.  Have you seen people with bodily organs they’ve been restored, like kidneys?

Steven:  I have, I actually had a person come into my meeting, she was looked completely yellow because the kidney’s were not operating, there was no filtering taking place and she was on a waiting list to get a transplant, but was running out of time.  And she came to my meeting Sid, she was basically either get a miracle or she could die.  And I prayed for her and that night at the meeting.  Now when that anointing goes in sometimes it takes a little time to work, sometimes it would be an immediate miracle, but I knew when I laid hands on her God had done a miracle.  I saw her for breakfast the next morning and when I saw her she was so happy even the color of her flesh had changed and returned to normal.

Sid:  What did the doctors say about her? 

Steven:  The doctors said that it was actually she had a Jewish doctor and the doctor said, “You are completely healed.”

Sid:  Woops we are completely out of time. 

Sid:  Well, I know why my guest Steven Brooks is red hot for the Messiah, the last two days and by the way if you for some reason didn’t catch the last two days, go on our web www.sidroth.org.  Sidroth.org. and you got to listen to these two days, because I believe that the average person would have folded, lost their faith.  Probably my guess Steven is what did you say?  You were living in a cardboard box, it got as cold as about eighteen degrees, you didn’t have money, you didn’t have food, you’re car wasn’t working, you didn’t have a job, none of your friends would help you.  I would have imagined the devil could have pushed you over that line and you could have committed suicide pretty easily.

Steven:  It was close Sid, I did feel like I was reaching a point where I was about to snap and I remember the turning point; the thing that was beginning to help me was that I realized that this was not God doing this to me; this was the devil.  And one night I was reading my Bible, I told the Lord I said, “Lord it’s freezing, it’s cold, I’m hungry I haven’t eaten for days and this is absolutely miserable,” and I said “Lord, it can’t get any worse than this.”  And Sid when I said, that it started raining.

Sid:  Oh no!

Steven:  It got worse, and my cardboard box wasn’t the commercial grade it was the amateur grade, it had no roof on it so my box got totally soaked, I had to go sit in my car which would not start, it was colder in the car than it was outside, just crazy.  But, I remember I got upset, I said, “Lord, I’ve been told that it’s holy to be poor and that we’re suppose to suffer.” But I said, “Something is wrong, I’ve been greatly misinformed.”  And the Lord said, “That is true and I want to teach you a truth now that I want to bless you and take care of you.”  So for the first time I began to resist what the devil was doing instead of cooperating with it.

Sid:  And as we found out on yesterdays broadcast, God so blessed you.  You got a hundred fold offering which was a hundred fold return for the $4.00 that you had given the week before, you got a free room to live in, you got a job, today you’re married, you have children, you have a wonderful family; you have a worldwide ministry.  And on yesterday’s broadcast we ended with that forty-five minute visitation you had from Jesus.  What did He tell you?

Steven:  One of the things that He was talking about, Sid is the importance of the increase of the anointing with His miracle power and we’re going to see things that are really going to boggle and challenge the intellects of even the scoffers and the doubters.  And the creative miracles are going to come back into the church in a great degree and actually not even come back in a sense, but even surpass things that they saw during the days of the Book of Acts.  And I have seen the Lord do creative miracles inwardly with people getting new parts inwardly hat were not there, whether it’s a new kidney, a new heart or even new vertebrae or things put back into the spine that were destroyed or deteriorated or gone or new disk.  But now we’re going to begin to see the outward creative miracles.  And that is what we are coming into in these last days there is a greater degree of that and the Lord encouraged me with that and put a great emphasis upon the importance of a faith that will hold on to him for this.

Sid:  Now is this just you that is going to move in these creative miracles, is it just a few people that will move it?  What did He show you?

Steven:  Well, it’s like an apostolic mantle that’s being placed upon the church and so there will be individuals that move in it with remarkable signs and wonders.  There will be many ministers that move in this, but I believe the anointing is going to be so strong that it will, anybody that wants to cooperate with the Holy Spirit will be a candidate to be anointed to move in miracle power.

Sid:  Tell me about what’s going on with you, for instance what happened in Jerusalem, the creative miracles?

Steven:  Well, one of the creative miracles, of course there were testimonies of people who had gotten up out of a, one lady got up out of a wheelchair, could not walk and doctors could not do anything for her spine completely healed.  And many of I don’t want to say normal miracles, but there’s always all types of healings.  But beginning to touch more with the creative miracles, there was a young man right around the age of probably around the age of fourteen years old who’s feet were just as flat as a pancake, he was totally flatfooted with no arches and he was one of the last people I actually prayed for in the healing line and as I went down the healing line praying for people we had some notable miracles of healing take place, but I had not yet seen a creative miracle.  And when I got to him I asked him, “What was wrong?”  He said, “I’m flatfooted,” his mother verified that.  I said, “Well, let’s verify it even greater by taking off the shoes and socks.” And there were about twenty people to witness this, as I laid hands on him and asked the Lord Jesus to put new arches in his feet.  Right there on the spot, brand new…you could see the bones move, you could see the indention of the foot go in and he has today two complete perfect arches.  His mother even said even several days after the miracle, “His feet are absolutely perfect now.”

Sid:  Now, take me back to that visitation that you had with the Lord, that forty-five minute visitation.  What else did He tell you?

Steven:  It’s the power also, the glory will attack the people and Sid, I believe in preaching the word, I believe in preaching the gospel, but there has to be the Lord was emphasizing that there has to be a manifestation of the power of the gospel and we have to believe Him for miracles.  He even gave me a charge in a sense to believe Him for miracles; to not just be satisfied to have people wheeled off in wheel chairs or to have people left in conditions where they have to suffer for the rest of their life.

Sid:  Now, let me ask you ask you a question, when I go to some of these great healing evangelist’s meeting I see praise God, wonderful miracles take place, but then I look at the wheelchair section and I see three or four hundred people in wheelchairs come in that way and leave that way.  Are we coming into a day where we won’t see that?

Steven:    Were coming into a day like Jesus’ ministry in the earth, see Jesus was the only person at that time moving in that level of power, but now we have a corporate body of Christ, which is all, which is the church and we’re going to see the body of Christ move in that type of power.  And that’s one of things the Lord talked with me about is that there’s a gap.  Because when you read the gospels in many of the times when the Lord would pray for people it said that they were all healed.  And we very rarely see that where there’s a public meeting and every single person is healed.  And but, even with Peter’s ministry in Acts Chapter 5 there was a time when Peter went out to pray for all the people that they were all healed.  So we can’t confine it just to the Lord’s ministry we have to contend for that, to see that happened today where we literally have meetings and every single person that there is not one sick person left, everybody got healed.

Sid:  I believe that’s coming very soon.  And Steven, tell me why you wrote this brand new book, “The Sacred Anointing?”

Steven:  Sid, in the year of 2006 was the year that the Lord Jesus put a healing anointing upon my life.  That was brand new for me, I had ministered before that preaching, ministering with a prophetic ministry and words of knowledge and gifts of prophecy and the Lord was touching people, but suddenly a divine gift of healing was placed upon my life.  The Lord, when He talked to me about it, He actually said, this is just a gift I want to give you.  That is literally what he called it, a gift.  And that’s what it is, it is just a gift that God gave me, I didn’t earn it, or anything like that, it was just a gift that God gave me and after that happened, I began to see healing miracles in every single meeting.  And I was puzzled by it, I had never experience it before and it was new to me, it was like getting a new suit, I was almost a little uncomfortable with it, and I was so wanting to better understand how this whole thing works.  And so one time the Lord came and talked to me at 3:00 in the morning and talked to me for thirty minutes and explained how the healing anointing works.  And one of the things He said to me Sid, He said, “My anointing works the same way as you had an infection and you received an antibiotic to deal with that infection.”  He said, “My healing anointing is the most powerful antibiotic; it will knock out any sickness or disease.”  And He said, “The moment you lay hands on people and they believe and they mix their faith with the anointing,” He said, “My anointing will flow through you,” He said, “It is My anointing, but it will flow through you, it will flow through Your hands, it will go into the diseased areas of the bodies of the people,” and He said, “There will be at times instantaneous miracles.” but He said, “Other times the miracles may happen, two, six, or eight hours later because it takes awhile for the anointing to work once it goes in.”

Sid: Now, do you…I have to tell you, your book has literally a presence of God just comes off the pages, I believe that people that read your book will get that impartation, what do you think?

Steven:  Sid, that’s one of the reasons I wrote the book, is because the Holy Spirit inspired me to teach the people how to move in that anointing, that’s what originally got me started was “Lord, how do I be more effective with this, how do I minister and release this anointing?”  And so I wrote that book so that they could catch that anointing and operate in it successfully and see miracles happen in their own lives.

Sid:  Well I know that between the book and the bonus CD…the book’s called the “Sacred Anointing” and the bonus CD is “Devine Visitations.”   By the time they finish both of these exceptional tools, I believe that they will be so sensitive to the Holy Spirit; I believe that they will have a supernatural hunger to seek God beyond thing any they have ever done before.  As a matter of fact I think that’s what accomplished from both of these tools.  People want to the things of the world are just pulling them under and the anointing on this book will destroy those yokes so they can become the men and woman of God that they’ve been called to be.

Steven:  Yes, the anointing not only can set us free, but once we’re free we can go out and set others free who are bound.  And the anointing of the Lord Jesus Christ is the most powerful thing; our words that we can speak under the anointing of His Spirit have tremendous power.  As we lay our hands on the sick and His anointing flows through our hands, it will heal the sick and that anointing can be so strong at times it is even feel like a fire, or like a liquid fire or an aspect of the glory just flowing through our bodies.  And even natural electricity is a good parallel example in the earth of the way that the anointing can flow and can be conveyed.