Sid:   My guest Shira-Sorko-Ram, I have known for many years, personally read her newsletter; I think that it’s the best newsletter from the Middle East.  And she is a walking history because forty years ago, in 1967 she went to Israel and she’s been there for forty years, it happened to be right at the Six Day war.  And then they had the Independence Day Celebration, I’ve been in Israel for Independence Day, everyone goes out in the streets and they act just a little Mischugah.  Is that right Shira-Sorko-Ram, a little crazy?

Shira:  Well, it’s completely Israel; it’s not like anything else.  You know the soldiers and the people get out in the streets and they dance in circles, especially up in Jerusalem; yeah it’s a happy time, but it’s not like a bad time; they’re not doing crazy things like you know, the carnivals.

Sid:  No, but what I’m saying is that they get so excited, I mean it’s a happening is what I’m saying. 

Shira:  Right.

Sid:  So, you were talking about that first celebration just after the Western Wall was in Jewish hands for the first time in how long?

Shira:  Well, since 70 AD.

Sid:  Wow.

Shira:  Jerusalem came back into the hands of the Jewish people, that’s a long, long time; nineteen hundred years.

Sid:  So the euphoria must have been over the top at that time!

Shira:  It was, it was and some of the things that people would say I couldn’t help but be excited about it even though I knew it wasn’t going to happen the way they thought.  They were saying things like this, “The Jewish people have now shown the Arabs that the Arab’s can’t win.  So this is going to be the last war; these are the days of the Messiah, this is the last war, there’s never going to be another war because Arabs know they can’t win.  And there were these little stickers that everybody had on their cars and it said, kol hakavod l’tsahal which means all the honor goes to the army and I knew that (HA) I knew that wasn’t a very smart thing to say; And let me jump six years ahead in 1973 when the terrible Yom Kippur surprise war came against Israel.  You didn’t see any more all honor to the army, the sign changed.  The stickers were different, they said, “Israel trust in God,” that was big difference.  But the euphoria lasted for six years, it lasted from ’67 to ’73 when the terrible Yom Kippur surprise war when the Arab countries attacked Israel.

Sid:  Were you living there, I know that you were living there, but were you there at the time of the ’73 war?

Shira:  I was not, my Father had passed away and so I was in the states with my family at that time.  Now when the war took place oh, I was absolutely stunned as everybody was because it was a complete surprise.  And I wanted to get back there; I wanted to get back into Israel, but my family asked me that I stay a little bit longer with them.  So I went back about three months later and the country was completely different Sid.

Sid:  In what way?

Shira:  People were depressed, stunned; from that time on even violence in the country went up.  And back in 1967; yeah there were sometimes somebody would break into a car and steal, but I mean you never heard of murder or violence; it just didn’t happen; it was remarkable.  And I came from Dallas where you couldn’t even walk down the street back in 1967 at night in certain parts of the city.  But in Jerusalem you could walk anywhere at any time, it was a really interesting change in culture.   But ‘73 happened and our country, Israel started going downhill, it’s never recovered since then.

Sid:  Now looking, remembering what Israel was like forty years ago and looking at Jerusalem, looking at Tel Aviv would you have ever thought it would make that kind of transition?

Shira:  No, it’s completely impossible to figure how this has happened.  Here is Israel surrounded completely by those who want to destroy the country and yet the economy booms, skyscrapers are going up; the shekel, our money is stronger than the dollar.  I mean can you imagine?

Sid:  Now, listen I wish all of my money was in shekels rather than dollars; I know what’s going on with the Israeli shekel.  With all of the deal with Iran and all these nations I mean nothing has changed; it’s still an impossible situation and yet Israel was prospering!

Shira:  It’s a start up nation; it’s a start up nation!  It has more start ups per a person than anything country in the world!  It’s a remarkable sign to me that God has not left the Jewish people; they, I know that the Jewish people are brilliant, but they’re not that brilliant!   I mean is amazing that this nation is growing, it is so much higher standard of living than any nation around it and yet it has to defend itself against total destruction every moment of every day.

Sid:  Now, going back to the Yom Kippur war in 1973, I have heard many accounts of miraculous things that occurred for Israel to have won that war!

Shira:  Oh, it is, it is! I think that the war lasted nineteen days.  And you know Syria was on its way into Northern Galilee.  The Jordanians actually stayed out of the war; that which was very smart of them by the way; but Egypt attacked and came up the Sinai and it could have gone either way.  It could have gone either way when you have those two large armies doing a pincher act against Israel; it is amazing and miraculous!  There’s many, many stories; there is one fellow that had a, that was in a tank going up the Golan Heights and his unit all the rest of the tanks were knocked out by the Syrians and he took this tank and zig zagged it up the Golan Heights.  And it was at night so that the Syrians thought it was several tanks you know; they couldn’t imagine that this is one tank it was finally blown out.  He found a couple of other tanks twice and he changed tanks and went zig zagging all over the place you know with his tank and knocking positions of the Syrians out and he is today one of the Israel’s greatest heroes.  I do not believe this man could have done this without the hand of God, because the Syrians were coming down the Golan Heights, they were ready to take over the Galilee.  And you know what that would have been, that would have been a slaughter of all the Jewish people in the Galilee area, which did not happen.

Sid:  To me, the greatest reality that our God is interested in us as individuals is the creation of modern day Israel and the survival of modern day Israel.

Shira:  Yes!

Sid:  I mean there is no other explanation to why Israel exists so that begs the question; here you have Iran; Iran wants to nuke, its very obvious wants to nuke Israel.  How do you live under that pressure?  As a believer I know how you live, but how does a nonbeliever live under that pressure?

Shira:  I want you to know that Israeli’s are very very fearful, they know what Iran is saying she’s going to do.  Iran, Ahmadinejad is talking exactly like Hitler did, exactly.  And back in Hitler’s day this is what Israel says, the nations did not take him seriously and their not taking Ahmadinejad seriously, when he says that he’s going to wipe Israel out; and so there’s great fear, there is great great fear over this.

Sid:  As a believer, you’re obviously concerned; do you believe he’s going to nuke Israel?

Shira:  Well, Israel is very tiny, so I don’t see that God is going to let Ahmadinejad nuke Israel; I just don’t see how that can happen because it would knock the country out you know with the radiation and everything else.

Sid:  You know Shira; I’m much more concerned about the United States than Israel, because the Bible does talk about what happens to nations that divide the land of Israel.  You know were out of time right now.

Sid:  Well, I have on the telephone from Tele Aviv, Israel Shira Sorko Ram.  As far as I’m concerned Shira and her husband Ari put out a newsletter from Israel.  There organization is called, Maoz.  Shira, Maoz means strength.

Shira:  That is correct.

Sid:  And I image a lots of people get your newsletter and don’t know even what Maoz means.

Shira:  No.

Sid:  Now what is behind, why would you pick Maoz, that word for your ministry?

Shira:  We took it from the scripture, the Lord is my strength.  And the word for strength is Maoz.  It means fortress or strength and so we said, “That’s what we’re going to have to have in order to make any type of impact in Israel.”

Sid:  Well, you should know because forty years ago in 1967 you emigrated from the United States to Israel.  Now let’s be candid, most American Jews haven’t even been to Israel let alone are thinking of Aliyah or becoming citizens of Israel.  And forty years ago there was probably even less talk about that.  What caused you to leave the wonderful American lifestyle and go to Israel?

Shira:  Well, we were getting ready, my family and I were going to have a tour here and so we were planning to get here in October 1967 and while we were planning that the six day war took place when in six days Jerusalem came back into the hands of the Jewish people.  Judea and Samaria, Gaza, the Golan Heights, even the Sinai Desert, they all came back into the hands of the Jewish people.  And so that raised an interest in my mind because I was saying this is a sign of the last days.  Jerusalem coming back into the hands of the Jewish people is a sign of the last days.  And so that’s when I began to think a little bit stronger about coming to Israel.  Now also I know that this a fact that when I got here many young Jewish men and woman from the United States immigrated at that time.  There was a big immigration of young people from the States.  I don’t know if it has ever been like that since, but there was just a number of thousands of American Jews who came at that time because of the excitement of Jerusalem coming back into the hands of the Jewish people. 

Sid:  But you went by yourself, am I right?

Shira:  Well, I came over on the tour and I was getting ready to go back on the tour and we were standing out in front of a hotel, that was it getting ready to get on the bus to go to the airport and the bus came late.  And meanwhile I was talking to my Father because I had been working in documentary films and my Father said, “You know this is remarkable what’s happening in Israel.  I mean, even the people themselves are saying “The days of Messiah are here,” people that did not know who the Messiah was, but they still said, “Something’s happening.”  So he said, “Why don’t you make a documentary film about what God is doing in Israel by bringing the land back into the hands of the Jewish people.  And so because that bus was late, I decided I would stay here for a few days and then I decided a few weeks, and then a few months and at that time I was hooked, I was here.

Sid:  But what did your parents think about you being, I mean that you’re young, your single, you’re there in Israel by yourself.  What did your parents think about that?

Shira:  My father is a man of prayer; he was a man of prayer he has gone on to his reward now.  But he loved Israel and he prayed for Israel all the time; wrote about Israel, and I do believe that I’m here.  My life is spent here in Israel, because of the prayers and the love that my Father had for Israel.  So yes I’m here,

Sid:  Okay what was it like forty years ago in Israel?

Shira:  Totally amazing, I can remember the first Independence Day after the Six Day War.

Sid:  Now at that time, they hit you on the head with those little funny hammers that were plastic?

Shira:  They had the hammers.

Sid:  I’ve been out there in the streets when that happens.

Shira:  Oh it’s terrible, but any way…

Sid:  It doesn’t hurt, but okay. 

Shira:  I was living in Jerusalem at that time, I lived in Jerusalem for six years after you know getting there in 1967 and everything is new to me.  Everything is new, I didn’t know what to expect.  But on the Independence Day, which was in the May of 1968 okay, so it’s the first Independence Day of Israel when Jerusalem was back in the hands of the Jewish people. 

Sid:  That had to be so exciting. 

Shira:  Well here’s what happened, I went out of my house and I saw people everywhere moving in a certain direction which was towards the Western Wall, you know, the new Western Wall as far as Israel is concerned.  So I followed and there were thousands of people, they were all making their way to the direction of the Western Wall.  Well it filled up very fast, but outside of the city gates of Jaffa around the old city there were, I don’t know maybe 50,000 people and I stood there and they all started singing this song which all Jewish people know, “Jerusalem of Gold,” And they started singing Jerusalem Jerusalem of Gold and you could image how it sounded for 50,000 people sponteously singing about Jerusalem, it was earthshaking I have to say.

Sid:  I can feel it as your saying that.  So you’re swept with this crowd, there looking at the Western Wall for the first time in Jewish possession, what a moment!  You had no doubt that you were suppose to be there at that point I’m sure. 

Shira:  Oh, it was a euphoria that lasted in Israel for about six years.  It lasted from 1967 six day war until 1973 the Yom Kippur War when the Arabs did a surprise attack on Israel and 2,000 soldiers were killed.

Sid:  I’ll tell you what, hold that thought, but there is so much history in Shira-Sorko-Ram that I want to get it out in this interview…

Sid:  My guest Steven Brooks has moved in the anointing, has had visitations from the Lord, has seen healing and has now moved into miracles.  And Steven, tell me about the woman in California that had five broken bones.

Steven:  Well, Sid I was hosting a conference and this dear sister flew from California all the way out to North Carolina to attend this meeting and she came on purpose because she believe that God would do a miracle, she had an accident with her foot and had the doctor examine her foot.  Even had the x-rays showed that five bones were completely broken and not even really broken and they were shattered and caused all kinds of problems for her foot so she came to the meeting.  And I got so involved in the meeting because I was preaching and ministering and doing other things that on the last day, I realized that I never even specifically prayed for her and so on the last day just before the last meeting, I prayed for her.  I asked God to do a miracle in her foot and Sid on the last song that night, just a few hours later as the meeting was closing she came dancing down the aisles in front of hundreds of people completely healed all bones completely mended and made brand new. 

Sid:  And I understand she had an x-ray because you always look for verification, what did the x-ray show?

Steven:  Well, she went back to the doctors.   The doctor reexamined her, the same doctor and said, “I actually made a mistake; you actually broke seven bones, the other two I could not see.”  And he said, “I have never in my life seen such phenomenal new bone growth development as this.”

Sid:  Steven you’re seeing miracles like I only hear about in India now breaking out in the United States, but tell me about a few things that are going on in India.   Tell me about some deaf mutes and especially the woman that was paralyzed.

Steven:  Well Sid, I was ministering at a church there over 2,000 people in the meeting and as I was ministering to the sick, they were all hard cases; there was no easy cases, no little headache; nobody with a little arthritis in their elbow; all hard cases with either leprosy, or massive infections or just things diseases that would just break your heart.  There were people that had just huge chunks of flesh missing from their bodies and just raw open wounds.  And so I had my work cut out for me but I knew the Lord Jesus was going to touch them and heal them.  And sure enough God’s power fell in the meeting and the Lord began to heal a few Christians, but there were also Hindus in the meeting that were not yet believer’s they came to the meeting just expecting that God would do something for them.  And God began to heal the Hindus.  But Sid, even out of all the people that were being healed, there was one person in the crowd to me that looked worse than all of them, even when you are under the anointing your natural mind still operates and my natural mind said, “Wow, that one is a tough one right there.”  It was a young woman in her early twenty’s, they had brought into the meeting and laid out on the front row.  She looked like a sack of potatoes and she was partially paralyzed and she could not operate any parts of her body.  She also suffered from type of blindness you could wave your hand in front of her face and there was absolutely no response; she was demon possessed and it was just an absolute heart breaking situation.  And when that anointing fell and God began to do miracles they helped her up and she stood before me and I took about five minutes and Sid, I prayed with everything I had for her, this wasn’t just like you touch a person and okay let’s move them out of here real quick because we don’t want anybody to know that nothing’s happening.  No I took the time to pour everything I had into her and after about five minutes they took her on off.  But Sid, when they carried her off she looked exactly the same as she looked when I prayed for her.  But I knew the anointing; God’s power had gone into her body and so later that night God continued to do miracles.  But the next morning, the next morning right at the height of praise and worship when the whole church was worshipping the Lord in walked that young woman, she had walked in she was completely healed.  She had rays of light streaming out her face; all the paralyses had left her body.  She had been demon possessed, they had been driven out and she was a Muslim; we didn’t even know that.  It is very rare to see a Muslim give their whole heart to the Lord like that even in a Hindu culture.  It absolutely shook the church, the miracle was so powerful.  The pastor got her up on the stage, had her walking up and down, had her doing all kinds of exercises.  Just absolutely…

Sid:  Briefly, tell me about that youth conference of young people in Nepalese.

Steven:  That was in the foot hills of the Himalayan Mountains.

Sid:  You got to tell me about the golden rain though.

Steven: I tell you Sid, as we began to worship the Lord one night, God Spirit fell in power and were starting to see these things in America, but I’ve seen it in other places that’s why I know that that real power there is no substitute for it.  I’ve seen God move and we got to contend for God’s gold standard is best.  That night the power fell so strong in the Himalayan Mountains that it just wiped out over 400 young people.  People were delivered and just deep operations of the Spirit that God was doing on people.  Miracles happening in peoples physical bodies, evil spirit leaving young people that had gotten caught up in drugs and immorality , just tremendous outpouring of the Spirit.  Sid you could look up with your face and literally feel raining falling on your face inside of the building, golden rain just streaming, just falling all over your face, going all over the body.

Sid:  People felt it, could they see it?

Steven:   You could see it, you could feel it, you could even taste it, it was just accelerating.  It was a charge beyond, it was just absolutely like standing underneath a waterfall, a huge rushing water fall, the Spirit’s power came in such a great measure.

Sid:  Well, I believe that rain, that anointing is on your brand new book “The Sacred Anointing.”  And as you teach on the sacred anointing things that the Lord has taught you, the anointing literally falls on the people as you read it.  I believe if you’ll teach for just a couple minutes right now,  no more than a couple of minutes I believe people will start getting healed.

Steven:  Sid, the Bible tells us that the anointing in Isaiah 10:27 removes the burden and destroys the yoke.  You know the burden ways you down and pushes you over.  It is good to get rid of the burden, but if the yoke is not destroyed, we still have a problem.  The anointing of God removes the burden; it actually lifts you back up.  You can hold your head high and worship the Lord, and it will absolutely destroy and demolish the yoke.  Anything the devil has done to hold you down to try to destroy your lives, God’s removing that right now, I feel that anointing falling.  And I even see in the Spirit right now, yokes being shattered and broken off of people’s necks.  Financial yokes that are being broken right now, expect a miracle deliverance financially.  God says help is coming, I also see a physical anointing for a miracles happening right now.  God’s touching knees, you’re feeling a heat, a fire in your knees.  If you are sitting down I want to ask you to get up, begin to move your knees around.  Do some gentle small squats, begin to exercise those knees, you’ll find the pain is gone.  You’ll also begin to realize that there is new synovial fluid that God is putting into the knees right now.  I’m specifically speaking to those of you that have had knee operations get up and receive your miracle, you’ll even find that that metal will dissolve Dr. Jesus is working now giving brand knew knees receive a creative knee miracle now to the glory of God.  The anointing is moving up to eyes, God is not only healing eyes but He is releasing a prophetic anointing to see, like you’ve never seen before in to the miraculous realm into the realm of the Spirit and into the realm of faith.  There is new eyes for seeing the eyes of faith like Jesus sees it.  There is no situation that is hopeless, there is nothing that is impossible; God’s anointing eyes, you’ll feel fire on your eyes right now.  Brother Sid, there is fire coming on people’s hands, that is a tangible anointing that God is releasing you.  If you are sensing a fire, a heat in the palms of your fingers receive a healing anointing now, friends as receive that anointing please take note that you are responsible to exercise that gift and that grace the God is imparting to you right now.  God find somebody to release that anointing now in the name of Jesus. 

Sid: you talk about the importance when people receive this anointing…they will receive that anointing of not to ever take any glory for yourselves, speak to that.

Steven:  That’s very important Sid; it’s the Lord Jesus Christ that does the miracles.  It’s His power, all we are vessels that the Lord can flow through, it is just like a vessel that will hold water out into a vase that’s all we are, we’re just a vessel and the more humble and the more gracious and the more loving that we can walk in the Lord’s character and His attributes the greater the power and that anointing that he can flow through us. 

Sid:  And you talk about a prophetic word that when the foundation stone of the temple is laid what’s going to happen to the church?

Steven:  Sid, we’re overdue a great outpouring of the Spirit, it’s coming soon.  I believe an indicator that we can see a great release, and we’re going to see things even before this, but were going to see a wave of glory like we never seen before and it will be released when they lay that foundation for the temple that is going to be built in Jerusalem.

Sid: When do you think that will laid?

Steven:  I think that we are just a few years out, but we don’t want to say well we’ll wait until we see it until we start praying for the sick or believe God for miracles, things are happening now.  But there is going to be an acceleration when we reach that point there will just be an outpouring like we have never seen before.

Sid:  I’m speaking with Steven Brooks and you come on in and you ease drop in our conversation.  Steven we’re talking about your brand new book, called the “Sacred Anointing.” You make the point that until even Jesus Himself was anointed he did no miracles.

Steven:  That’s correct, Sid sometimes we have certain traditions that said, when Jesus was a young child He fashioned some clay into a pigeon and threw it up in the air and it turned into a bird and flew off.  But that’s, none of those things happened, the Lord Jesus did not do any miracles until after he has been anointed by the Spirit which conveys to us the truth that we need to be anointed by the same Holy Spirit to do the same works of Jesus. 

Sid:  And you had a series of visitations and the Lord began dealing with you to study the anointing and you go into such depth in your book, but there’s Biblical oil that I never even thought about that you talk about that you talk about, I believe its pronounced Onycoo (?).

Steven:  Onycha or onycoo(?) and this is an oil that’s actually used in compounding the holy incense that was used back in the Tabernacle of Moses in the book of Exodus Chapter 30, it talks about that.  But this oil, I’ve have that manifestation of this oil Sid in many of my meetings and its fragrance is unmistakable.  Many people that have ever been sick, if they have to go to a hospital have smelled that super clean hospital smell.  And it’s very sterile, very clean germ free, bacteria free atmosphere.  And many times in my meetings the fragrance of onycha will come forth because that clean hospital fragrance is derived actually from benzene which is a product a derivative of onycha and it’s that super clean hospital smell.  Sid, last year I was ministering in a church in south India, several thousand people were in the meeting and there were many people in the meeting that had a problem with either an infection, in this area I was ministering at they had no access to a doctor so there were some very difficult infections to deal with.  People with ooze flowing out of ears, big open sores on legs and on people’s bodies, some of the people were cases of leprosy with horrendous infections and it was very difficult for me to minister.  And even though I had come into this meeting with much prayer and seeking the Lord, the sickness and the disease was a very oppressive atmosphere to minister in. But as I began to minister and put my whole heart into it there was a breakthrough and suddenly a fragrance swept over all the people and it was a fragrance Onyca which was that fragrance of that super clean hospital smell and the moment that fragrance went out over the people all over the place people began to get cured and healed from very very bad infections. 

Sid:  Is this the only time you’ve seen this or does this happen on multiple times?

Steven:  It’s happened multiple times, more times off the top of my head then I can even count where people have infections, where there’s sinus infections or maybe some type of infectious bacteria they picked up and the doctors came out, even when their treating with antibiotics cannot seem to get rid of the infection.  When that anointing comes in that’s one of the aspects of the Lord Jesus’ anointing, when that comes in it just begins to wipe that stuff out, it cannot stand up against the anointing of God’s Spirit.

Sid:  Well, you know one of our staff read your book, even though it’s out now, but this is before it even was published and she started smelling fragrances.

Steven:  Praise the Lord, that’s one of the manifestations I have many times in my meetings, when the Lord Jesus honors His word that is preached.  And often I will preach on these subjects that comprise the Holy anointing oil, the different materials that comprise the Holy incense, and as I teach and I minister on that often times the very same fragrances will manifest in the meetings or even over when people listen to a CD on the teaching, they’ll begin to smell the fragrance in their house.

Sid:  Well, I think it is amazing is that you were teaching on this in Jerusalem and you were on national television and what kind of reports did you get from people watching it on TV?

Steven:  We had people even send in emails from the internet from China, which is very risky and dangerous for them to do, but they were so touched because they were watching a live streaming over the internet of the meetings and as I taught on this subject on these fragrances and how they represent the character of the Lord Jesus Christ, they began to smell these fragrances in China in underground churches.

Sid:  I always like specifics; give me specific person like someone in India; I remember reading about someone with an ear problem.

Steven:  Well there was one dear man Sid, he was probably about sixty years old and he had such a look of pain and anguish and torment on His face.  This dear man he had no option to go to a doctor and he had fluid flowing out of his ears, infected fluid that was green with pus and it was green and yellow flowing out of his ears.  And you could just see the torment on his face and I just felt such compassion for that dear man and I prayed for his ears and I asked the Lord Jesus to heal his ears.  And that fragrance of the Lord Jesus went through the meeting again and went over that man and when he left the meeting, he didn’t look any different, but when I saw him the next day Sid, he looked like a light bulb that was light up he looked like a neon sign.  All the pain was gone, all the infection had completely left, all the fluid stopped draining and the Holy Spirit completely cleaned his ears out, he could hear perfectly. And it just so blessed my heart to see the Lord Jesus undo the works of the devil.

Sid: And so when this happens many times the people in the auditorium can actually smell an aroma like disinfectant.

Steven:  That’s correct; I’ve had it happen in meetings in America recently when I was ministering in Maryland the fragrance of the Lord came in so strong it almost made some of the people on the front row completely fall out.  It was so overpowering, God began to heal people all over the place, I especially called for the young people, those that were eighteen years old and younger who have never stood in the glory atmosphere like that to come up and the young people were deeply, deeply touched.  And this is was a glorious outpouring of God’s Spirit and this was in Maryland. 

Sid:  What I think is wonderful, it’s wonderful if you smell it, it’s even better if someone else smells it, but you have times when almost the entire audience can smell it; like tell me that time in Wilkesboro, North Carolina.

Steven:  Well, I hosted a meeting one time, my wife and I here in Wilkesboro, North Carolina and the fragrances of the Lord were released so strong in the meeting.  Now Sid this was right in the middle of winter, its twenty degrees outside, it’s cold, it’s rainy, it’s cloudy, and we had a wonderful turn out that night.  But that night some of the most wonderful fragrances came through, it was the Lord Jesus encouraging us.  Fragrances of coconut and all of these tropical, you could literally close your eyes and feel like you got transported to a tropical island.  It was the most outrageous enjoyable thing, it was just hilarious; and people all over the room were experiencing it.

Sid:  And you point out that when someone uses holy anointing oil that oil changes things, just as the anointing in an individual changes things, explain.

Steven:   Well, that anointing oil is a type of the Holy Spirit and as we lay hands on people and anoint them with oil, I’ve had just evil spirits leave instantly, come out of people the moment that oil goes up them.  And see what’s wonderful is that that oil will stay there and saturate and soak in to them, that anointing can go into them and the evil spirit have to leave, the sickness and the disease, it has to leave, that anointing will just eat it up, it will absolutely drive it out.

Sid:  Well, when you teach on the anointing oil this happens, they literally change and ….What do you believe in your heart of hearts, because it’s brand new it’s literally just off the press, is going to happen to people that read your book?

Steven:  Sid, I believe that miracles are going to happen.  I actually believe that miracles are happening right now, the Holy Spirit is revealing to me that right now people are having their ears healed.  If you ever had a problem with deafness, having their ears healed, if you ever had a problem with deafness, in ability to hear properly the Holy Spirit is actually cleaning out ears right now, ear that have been damaged from a loud noises or gunshots or something that has damaged.  Somebody has had gunshot, so much gunshot noise, I sense that you are in the military and your hearing has been permanently damaged.  You are being completely healed right now, right now.  Oh glory to God, there is infections in people’s noises and somebody has infections all in your throat, you have lymph nodes out of control completely in your throat and in your armpits, God is healing your body right now, that infection that has completely thrown your blood off is completely healed right now; receive that healing power of the Lord Jesus. 

Sid:  Oh, I don’t know about you Mishpochah, but I am just receiving such a tangible presence of the Holy Spirit in my studio right now that I believe when you read Steven’s book you are going to be basking in the glory of God.  If that’s all that would happen that would be wonderful, but as Steven points out when you’re in the presence of God, something changes and it’s not God, He changes not, you change you start getting healed from the inside out.  And I heard Steven as you began to move in words of knowledge that someone’s back was being healed.  Have you seen people with bodily organs they’ve been restored, like kidneys?

Steven:  I have, I actually had a person come into my meeting, she was looked completely yellow because the kidney’s were not operating, there was no filtering taking place and she was on a waiting list to get a transplant, but was running out of time.  And she came to my meeting Sid, she was basically either get a miracle or she could die.  And I prayed for her and that night at the meeting.  Now when that anointing goes in sometimes it takes a little time to work, sometimes it would be an immediate miracle, but I knew when I laid hands on her God had done a miracle.  I saw her for breakfast the next morning and when I saw her she was so happy even the color of her flesh had changed and returned to normal.

Sid:  What did the doctors say about her? 

Steven:  The doctors said that it was actually she had a Jewish doctor and the doctor said, “You are completely healed.”

Sid:  Woops we are completely out of time. 

Sid:  Well, I know why my guest Steven Brooks is red hot for the Messiah, the last two days and by the way if you for some reason didn’t catch the last two days, go on our web www.sidroth.org.  Sidroth.org. and you got to listen to these two days, because I believe that the average person would have folded, lost their faith.  Probably my guess Steven is what did you say?  You were living in a cardboard box, it got as cold as about eighteen degrees, you didn’t have money, you didn’t have food, you’re car wasn’t working, you didn’t have a job, none of your friends would help you.  I would have imagined the devil could have pushed you over that line and you could have committed suicide pretty easily.

Steven:  It was close Sid, I did feel like I was reaching a point where I was about to snap and I remember the turning point; the thing that was beginning to help me was that I realized that this was not God doing this to me; this was the devil.  And one night I was reading my Bible, I told the Lord I said, “Lord it’s freezing, it’s cold, I’m hungry I haven’t eaten for days and this is absolutely miserable,” and I said “Lord, it can’t get any worse than this.”  And Sid when I said, that it started raining.

Sid:  Oh no!

Steven:  It got worse, and my cardboard box wasn’t the commercial grade it was the amateur grade, it had no roof on it so my box got totally soaked, I had to go sit in my car which would not start, it was colder in the car than it was outside, just crazy.  But, I remember I got upset, I said, “Lord, I’ve been told that it’s holy to be poor and that we’re suppose to suffer.” But I said, “Something is wrong, I’ve been greatly misinformed.”  And the Lord said, “That is true and I want to teach you a truth now that I want to bless you and take care of you.”  So for the first time I began to resist what the devil was doing instead of cooperating with it.

Sid:  And as we found out on yesterdays broadcast, God so blessed you.  You got a hundred fold offering which was a hundred fold return for the $4.00 that you had given the week before, you got a free room to live in, you got a job, today you’re married, you have children, you have a wonderful family; you have a worldwide ministry.  And on yesterday’s broadcast we ended with that forty-five minute visitation you had from Jesus.  What did He tell you?

Steven:  One of the things that He was talking about, Sid is the importance of the increase of the anointing with His miracle power and we’re going to see things that are really going to boggle and challenge the intellects of even the scoffers and the doubters.  And the creative miracles are going to come back into the church in a great degree and actually not even come back in a sense, but even surpass things that they saw during the days of the Book of Acts.  And I have seen the Lord do creative miracles inwardly with people getting new parts inwardly hat were not there, whether it’s a new kidney, a new heart or even new vertebrae or things put back into the spine that were destroyed or deteriorated or gone or new disk.  But now we’re going to begin to see the outward creative miracles.  And that is what we are coming into in these last days there is a greater degree of that and the Lord encouraged me with that and put a great emphasis upon the importance of a faith that will hold on to him for this.

Sid:  Now is this just you that is going to move in these creative miracles, is it just a few people that will move it?  What did He show you?

Steven:  Well, it’s like an apostolic mantle that’s being placed upon the church and so there will be individuals that move in it with remarkable signs and wonders.  There will be many ministers that move in this, but I believe the anointing is going to be so strong that it will, anybody that wants to cooperate with the Holy Spirit will be a candidate to be anointed to move in miracle power.

Sid:  Tell me about what’s going on with you, for instance what happened in Jerusalem, the creative miracles?

Steven:  Well, one of the creative miracles, of course there were testimonies of people who had gotten up out of a, one lady got up out of a wheelchair, could not walk and doctors could not do anything for her spine completely healed.  And many of I don’t want to say normal miracles, but there’s always all types of healings.  But beginning to touch more with the creative miracles, there was a young man right around the age of probably around the age of fourteen years old who’s feet were just as flat as a pancake, he was totally flatfooted with no arches and he was one of the last people I actually prayed for in the healing line and as I went down the healing line praying for people we had some notable miracles of healing take place, but I had not yet seen a creative miracle.  And when I got to him I asked him, “What was wrong?”  He said, “I’m flatfooted,” his mother verified that.  I said, “Well, let’s verify it even greater by taking off the shoes and socks.” And there were about twenty people to witness this, as I laid hands on him and asked the Lord Jesus to put new arches in his feet.  Right there on the spot, brand new…you could see the bones move, you could see the indention of the foot go in and he has today two complete perfect arches.  His mother even said even several days after the miracle, “His feet are absolutely perfect now.”

Sid:  Now, take me back to that visitation that you had with the Lord, that forty-five minute visitation.  What else did He tell you?

Steven:  It’s the power also, the glory will attack the people and Sid, I believe in preaching the word, I believe in preaching the gospel, but there has to be the Lord was emphasizing that there has to be a manifestation of the power of the gospel and we have to believe Him for miracles.  He even gave me a charge in a sense to believe Him for miracles; to not just be satisfied to have people wheeled off in wheel chairs or to have people left in conditions where they have to suffer for the rest of their life.

Sid:  Now, let me ask you ask you a question, when I go to some of these great healing evangelist’s meeting I see praise God, wonderful miracles take place, but then I look at the wheelchair section and I see three or four hundred people in wheelchairs come in that way and leave that way.  Are we coming into a day where we won’t see that?

Steven:    Were coming into a day like Jesus’ ministry in the earth, see Jesus was the only person at that time moving in that level of power, but now we have a corporate body of Christ, which is all, which is the church and we’re going to see the body of Christ move in that type of power.  And that’s one of things the Lord talked with me about is that there’s a gap.  Because when you read the gospels in many of the times when the Lord would pray for people it said that they were all healed.  And we very rarely see that where there’s a public meeting and every single person is healed.  And but, even with Peter’s ministry in Acts Chapter 5 there was a time when Peter went out to pray for all the people that they were all healed.  So we can’t confine it just to the Lord’s ministry we have to contend for that, to see that happened today where we literally have meetings and every single person that there is not one sick person left, everybody got healed.

Sid:  I believe that’s coming very soon.  And Steven, tell me why you wrote this brand new book, “The Sacred Anointing?”

Steven:  Sid, in the year of 2006 was the year that the Lord Jesus put a healing anointing upon my life.  That was brand new for me, I had ministered before that preaching, ministering with a prophetic ministry and words of knowledge and gifts of prophecy and the Lord was touching people, but suddenly a divine gift of healing was placed upon my life.  The Lord, when He talked to me about it, He actually said, this is just a gift I want to give you.  That is literally what he called it, a gift.  And that’s what it is, it is just a gift that God gave me, I didn’t earn it, or anything like that, it was just a gift that God gave me and after that happened, I began to see healing miracles in every single meeting.  And I was puzzled by it, I had never experience it before and it was new to me, it was like getting a new suit, I was almost a little uncomfortable with it, and I was so wanting to better understand how this whole thing works.  And so one time the Lord came and talked to me at 3:00 in the morning and talked to me for thirty minutes and explained how the healing anointing works.  And one of the things He said to me Sid, He said, “My anointing works the same way as you had an infection and you received an antibiotic to deal with that infection.”  He said, “My healing anointing is the most powerful antibiotic; it will knock out any sickness or disease.”  And He said, “The moment you lay hands on people and they believe and they mix their faith with the anointing,” He said, “My anointing will flow through you,” He said, “It is My anointing, but it will flow through you, it will flow through Your hands, it will go into the diseased areas of the bodies of the people,” and He said, “There will be at times instantaneous miracles.” but He said, “Other times the miracles may happen, two, six, or eight hours later because it takes awhile for the anointing to work once it goes in.”

Sid: Now, do you…I have to tell you, your book has literally a presence of God just comes off the pages, I believe that people that read your book will get that impartation, what do you think?

Steven:  Sid, that’s one of the reasons I wrote the book, is because the Holy Spirit inspired me to teach the people how to move in that anointing, that’s what originally got me started was “Lord, how do I be more effective with this, how do I minister and release this anointing?”  And so I wrote that book so that they could catch that anointing and operate in it successfully and see miracles happen in their own lives.

Sid:  Well I know that between the book and the bonus CD…the book’s called the “Sacred Anointing” and the bonus CD is “Devine Visitations.”   By the time they finish both of these exceptional tools, I believe that they will be so sensitive to the Holy Spirit; I believe that they will have a supernatural hunger to seek God beyond thing any they have ever done before.  As a matter of fact I think that’s what accomplished from both of these tools.  People want to the things of the world are just pulling them under and the anointing on this book will destroy those yokes so they can become the men and woman of God that they’ve been called to be.

Steven:  Yes, the anointing not only can set us free, but once we’re free we can go out and set others free who are bound.  And the anointing of the Lord Jesus Christ is the most powerful thing; our words that we can speak under the anointing of His Spirit have tremendous power.  As we lay our hands on the sick and His anointing flows through our hands, it will heal the sick and that anointing can be so strong at times it is even feel like a fire, or like a liquid fire or an aspect of the glory just flowing through our bodies.  And even natural electricity is a good parallel example in the earth of the way that the anointing can flow and can be conveyed. 

Sid:  My guest Leif Hetland, if you’d been listening to him all this week you are so red hot for the Messiah.  But Leif I have to ask you something, is this love, this Sonship, people could take it to another extreme and make it a license to sin?

Leif:  Yeah, and I hear many people are asking me that question, and first thing I often say is that Jesus for three years, who only said what the Father was saying, did what the Father was doing; he lived as a Son and eventually Simon said, “Who do you say I am?” “You are Christ, you are an anointed Son.”  So the identity of Jesus, He lived the life as a Son, but He did not sin.  So first I just want to say, the old orphan with me, I must be holy to have God’s favor and then I this will increase my sense of shame and guilt.  So what I did in my old orphan heart was that I feel I need to be holy, I need to do these things and then God is going to be happy.  The new, when I became a Son and had a baptism of love, I want to be holy, I don’t want to do anything that hinder intimate relationship with Poppa God.  So as an example with my wife, I have a beautiful wife named Jennifer and I travel all over the world and there’s been all kinds of temptation and opportunity and I’m saying that it is easy for me to say no if I have a big enough yes.  I believe love is greater than fear, I can be fearful that I’m going to get caught or fear can be my motivating, but I have realized that there is something much greater than fear, it works maybe on the penalty system, but it doesn’t cure the hearts of the people.  Love cures the hearts of the people, so I do not believe that it’s a license to sin.  Now people do not need a license to sin anyway even if they are religious or rebellious.  But I believe that subtly because of relationship and you become sensitive to Father God; you become very sensitive and you recognize what Jesus did on the cross for you.  When you recognize the sensitivity of the Spirit, I don’t want to do anything to offend, even in my staff.  We’ve had some tension lately and there have been thing.  I stop with tears and I realized that I carried and offense because it harms relationship, I would rather have relationship than being right and then you humble yourself.  And so if there is even a small sin I want relationships with my wife, with my children, with my staff, with my Poppa God and I want to be able to love other people and now the sensitivity of the Spirit I think is so much greater motivation to live in righteousness then it is to be drawn towards sins.  Anyone that do that, I think there are some major love deficits that needs to be filled up.

Sid:  Give me an example of someone that has sat through your course on healing the orphan spirit and you’ve prayed for an impartation of supernatural love, tell me about one person.

Leif:  It is almost difficult to think about one because I automatically can see masses and masses and thousands and thousands.  But I could go in and one of the people that I keep seeing was Paul and that was so dramatically changed that had been a missionary.  He was burned out, they lived in poverty, they had been struggling and striving.  And in their marriage they were tired, they were weary, they were worn out and he had this encounter.  He just laid down and he just wept and he wept as this liquid love came all over him.  When he was finished with this experience with Poppa God he became a Son and he became a beloved Son from that very place.  Not just his finances, not just his marriage, not just his ministry and his mission, everything had literally.  And I’m not saying that it happened in one moment, this now five years into his journey, but it happened automatically there was a shift and change and things started happening.  And I still remember even, “Daddy Leif, do you know somebody gave me a car?”  And he had been praying for a car, “I said somebody gave you a car?”  He said, “Yes, somebody gave me a car.”  Later on somebody gave him another car, and said, “Daddy Leif, why didn’t this happen before? why didn’t God…”  As orphans, you have to strive and stress for everything, we are Sons and Daughters.  I am not saying some people that are listening are going to get a car.  But I just love the testimony when I saw his face and he was just sharing, “Wow, look what Poppa’s doing.”  I mean he has always been extravagant, there’s all these things that has been available in my account, but there is only one key to the Masters account and that is Sonship.  That is the key and that is also the key to covenant relationship with one another.  That’s how we become a family and then we can say, “Our Father which art in Heaven.”  “Then we can say Your kingdom come Your will be done on earth as it is in Heaven.” So literally there’s thousands and thousands of testimonies; this one is the easiest for me because it is probably the area I see the most testimony.  I could tell many stories where we had mass healings of people that are lost.  That all I got to say is Poppa, I’ve done it over and over again and people have watched the whole environment changes, they are not even saved yet, but mass healing has taken place and then we lead them to Jesus.  But all I need to do is, if you just honor Him as a Father and we are saying it together that’s all it takes, you are coming not as an orphan begging, striving, hoping that God, you are going to twist His arm, but instead you are coming.  Even before they are saved and the result of the mass salvations took place.

Sid: I would like you to give them a little down payment, if you will on the two CD’s that were making available called “Healing the Orphan Spirit.”  Would you pray for an impartation of Daddy’s Love?

Leif:  I would love to that.  Father I just, you are a good Poppa; I thank you that you are in a good mood.  I thank you that you are smiling, not frowning and every person that is listening, when you are looking at them, even if there is sin in their life, I thank you Father for what I believe is Your goodness is going to connect with any evil, any darkness Your light is going to penetrate and if there is people that don’t even know Your precious Son of Jesus I just ask that you overcome evil good.  The goodness of God would lead to repentance, so I’m asking for a goodness revolution to just touch people that are watching where they are overwhelmed by Your goodness in so much time where there is so many dark clouds, let Your sunshine through.  And I want to pray the prayer that I know changed my life in the year 2000 and that is “That you are Mine and that you are My Beloved.  The Father says, this is Daddy, Father God, He says that you are Mine, you are My Beloved.” Just pray that with me the people that are listening, “You are mine.  Say “I am His, I am Daddy’s.

Sid:  I am His, I am Daddy’s.

Leif:  I am His beloved Son or Daughter.

Sid:  I am His beloved Son.

Leif:  My Poppa loves me.

Sid:  My Poppa loves me.

Leif:  He likes me.

Sid:  He likes me.

Leif:  I’m His happy thought.

Sid:  I’m His happy thought.

Leif:  He is for me not against me.

Sid:  He is for me not against me.

Leif:  I receive Your love.

Sid:  I receive Your love.

Leif:  I receive Your healing.

Sid:  I receive Your healing.

Leif:  I receive the Spirit of Sonship.

Sid:  I receive the Spirit of Sonship.

Leif:  So I can say Abba.

Sid:  So I can say Abba.

Leif:  Daddy.

Sid:  Daddy.

Leif:  Father

Sid:  Father.

Leif:  Just feel it is coming now.  Ha-ha.  It’s the dove, it’s the presence it’s coming over you right now.  Whoa.

Sid:  Well Leif, there is actually people that have hearing problems; their ears are being opened, but not just in the natural.  In the natural, but also in the supernatural;  some of you are going to hear God’s voice clearer than you ever have before.  What else is God doing Leif?

Leif:  I’m also seeing here, first of all there a lot of fear, anxiety that’s been about jobs, marriages, different things, but I sense that it is mainly like a tightness in the chest and then some of it has been measured, a lot I even feel like just a lot of pain, it goes up from the head and it goes down the neck area.  But it has just been released the tightness of the chest, but it is a fear.  “He said, I have not given you a spirit of fear, but I have given you a Spirit of Love because you are loveable, I have given you a Spirit of Power, because you are powerful, and I have given you sound mind.  So the soundness to people’s mind and I just got that in my spirit, He said, your mind suddenly, wow you can think clearly.  The offense is gone, so I am going to go and ask forgiveness, or release forgiveness, something was the soundness of the mind and fear gone when love moved in and suddenly the power came.  Power, your powerful, the power came upon you.

Sid:  And I’m also believing right now that God is showing something is going on with eyes. Some of you that have problems in your eyes or vision problems, or even blindness, you are healed in Yeshua’s Name.”  But, deeper than that, you’re going to be able to start seeing in the Spirit.  One last thought, on what it’s like to be a Son, Leif.

Leif:  It is restful, it is peaceful, it is powerful, it is just secure, it is secure in the middle of all the insecurity.  Living your life as a Son, and that’s the freedom because the dove is there and it will remain there.  So I just want to encourage people.  People call me an apostle of love, they call me doctor Leif, they have all these titles for me, but that is not how I live my life.  Not even being a fatherless movement or pasturing or networking churches or author, no!  I focus my life as a Son and when I do that there’s always peace, there is provision…

Sid:  And I want those that are listening to us right now to focus your life as a Son to walk in this kind of love.

Sid:  My guest, Leif Hetland it’s an understatement he is red hot for the Messiah, and we are talking about something that plagued him even as a Baptist Pastor.  He had an orphan Spirit and he didn’t even know it.  But when he got free, the glory of God set him free, he began to understand the love of the Father, it transformed his life, but it’s not just that it transformed his life and his family’s life, its transforming churches when he shares this.  Tell me the experience you had at Pastor Bob Phillips church.

Leif:  Yes, Pastor Bob Philips had met me at a healing school with Randy Clark and while we were there I was able to give an impartation to his staff.  So he said that I would really like you to come to Houston, TX and I want you to share with our church.  And he’s the Senior Pastor of The Encourager Church and he serves on a lot different boards and so Dr. Bob Philips, he wanted me to release this message and bring a whole environment of family in.  And so we had some amazing services and he actually described it because he is visiting me now, because he described a whole environment of our churches.  It is one thing to have a visitation and we’ve had powerful anointing and gifting and impartations and power, but he said, “Something changed in the whole environment of our people, the very DNA of our people and it lingered it continued to stay upon the people.”  So the message that I came in with was both the Baptism of Love and it’s kind of people asked me, “Are you married?”  And I said, “Well, I think so.” Now if I cannot say yes, I’m married and my wife, her name is Jennifer we’ve been married for twenty-two years, I have four children.  If you have these uncertainties you probably have not had this baptism of love experience that I’m talking about.  It is like, Baptism of the Holy Spirit and so we released that over so there is no longer fear in the room.  That is the first thing, it is a Baptism of Love, you’re My Beloved Son.  Second thing was healing the orphan spirit and get rid of the pain and some of the things that took place.  And the third thing was the glory of God came into that place, even to the extent that people went to different places; Dr. Bob Philip and Juan Carlos who’s leading the God’s Spirit in Mexico today.  They went to Mexico, met with 2,500 young people, the same presence that was on them in that meeting came into the room and just changed the environment there in Mexico.  There was an impartation just of the environment and was a family environment, it was a love environment, fear was moved away.  They brought me to Mexico as an example and I was down there and it was taped all over the Latin world and I gave an impartation of love, healing the orphan spirit.  There was screams all over, it was televised, but it touched all over Mexico and something changed in the environment there.  So we are not talking about a visitation, but our lives, marriages, fear.  When fear moves out, perfect love cast away all fear.  So when the healing of the orphan spirit there’s screams, they’re yelling; some from childhood, some from the abuses, some from the shame, but also with all the drug cartels and what they were going through.  Many of them was up they’re husband has been killed, they’re pastor has been dismissed; there was so much pain in the room.  And we had gone with the anointing, powers and healing, but there was something that was missing.  But when that orphan spirit left and they got a glorious encounter with Poppa God something changes.  It is not just they started out there as the Encourager Church.  But that impartation of that went to a young explosion meeting where all the youth was out in the spirit, several of them were taken up to Heaven and they’re some amazing testimonies.  That move again, they asked me to come down and do their annual leadership conference from all over Mexico and plus it was taped all over Latin world.  And one example, while I released the love, one from Argentina that watched on line says, “That it was all over the world, Spain and all over people were watching, but it was like liquid love that came into the room he said; and the waves just continue and it has been going on four twenty-four hours.”  So he was one to testify and he’s been set totally free.  So the love started to touch even over technology, the sounds of love that came in there just continue and it’s just like liquid love.

Sid:  So liquid love is the best way to get rid of fear, to get rid of shame, to get rid of that orphan spirit.

Leif:  Yes, I say the Baptism of love is what changed.  I really feel that the biggest breakthrough I saw was with my friend, Bill Johnson and Randy Clark doing a healing school at Hosanna Lutheran Church.  And it has been five years ago now this Spring and when we were up there to Filipinos,  but all over the place, but two Filipinos they came up to me and they said, “Can you give us a “Father’s Blessing?” And they wept, because we are orphans, when they heard about orphan spirit.  But all over the place people stood in long line and they cried out because this orphan spirit that started to manifest.  I released the Father’s Blessing, they came up to me afterwards, showed me their hands; oil was coming out of their hands and that is Dr. Paul and Amir Auto, the President of Destiny Ministry International.  I didn’t know who they were, just two people in a conference, but a Father’s Blessing was given and the Father said, “I believe in you, you are valuable, you’re beautiful Father God I released what He saw about them and I started to release the destiny over their life.” They went back and since then revival started to break loose with a lot of signs wonders and miracles.

Sid:  Tell me the story about the feathers.

Leif:  So what happens, I went down the first time to the Philippians to their 500 leaders and it was actually literally wind that came in and blew over chairs in that meeting when the love came in.  But the second time I didn’t even know, I mean this is maybe the Baptist in me Sid, but I didn’t know that I was prophesying.  But in the middle of my message that I was preaching about I suddenly just, I didn’t know I did it, but I just stopped and said you are moving from an organization an orphanage, a church and you’re becoming a family.  When I said that I didn’t know and I have several key American leaders with me sitting on the first row, three big orange feathers just from nowhere just started to soar above my head and they just continued to float.  They continued to float long enough to when everybody in the audience, nobody listened to what I had to say.  And I’m thinking this is pretty rude, I’m sharing powerful message, I didn’t know, I was the last one to know that something was happening.  And then finally one called and said, “Daddy Leif look, look over your head,” and the feathers was there and I had those feathers with me; I carry them with me as a memory stone.  The Filipino’s they said, “What did Daddy Leif say when the feathers came?”  They learned about stewardship of the supernatural that is a sign that makes you wonder, what does this make us wonder about?  So they found a DVD and they saw that when the feather’s came and they said, “You are moving from being an organization, an institution, an orphanage, a church and you are becoming a family.”  And when the family was said, they said, “How does family look like?” was their question, and they started go into the presence of God to see how was it between a Father, Son and Spirit; that’s how we’re suppose to operate here.  And the next time I came I was blown away because everybody was family.  They operated like family, they gave like family, they love like family, it was a family, I didn’t visit an orphanage, I visited a family and since then the families on the earth has been blessed all over the world as a result of that ministry.

Sid:  You know so many, families, husband, wife, and children are run, as you put it, like an orphanage, because they’re all love starved, they’re all orphans.  So many churches are run as spectator sport where you go; you are invisible, you get feed, and then you leave, but that’s not what God meant.  Tell me what’s it’s like to have a church that’s a family rather than an orphanage.

Leif:  Well, first of all the first thing I recognize, I just need to, they are my heroes in the Philippians because I came to them as how did you do that?  What I feel here what I said, “You taught us that us Daddy Leif.”  “What did I teach you?” I gave them my notebook and what I did was observing a prototype of something that was from Heaven that was manifested on earth. One of the things that I saw, there was no punishment, I am not saying that there was not discipline, but there was no punishment.  There was no fear in the atmosphere.  I saw the supernatural what was natural.  I saw the way that they took care of one another, I saw that over ninety percent of any issues that was automatically gone.  I saw that when you are coming there it is not what I can get, because that is the orphans, but what can I give.  When they were coming there they were there to add value, not to receive value.  I saw, I mean that there was a major shift in the way that they were viewing…

Sid:  What you’re telling me, is the entire atmosphere changed.

Leif:  Yes.

Sid:  And when that atmosphere changes how is easy is it for people receive miracles, for people to be delivered, for people to be healed?

Leif:  Yeah, as I say we last year, a team just came back last week, but last year three of the meetings, every person was healed in the meeting and nobody know who prayed for whom.

Sid:  Every person?

Leif:  Every person, it was the only time in my life or ministry, I don’t say that it is normal, but it just happened in three meetings where every kind of disease just left and it was just the presence, and it was the family and it was the love and nobody knows who prayed for whom in a sense that it was not because I was there or somebody was anointed and gifted.  This was the nameless and the faceless move, it is a family; it is Sons and Daughters that is only doing what Poppa is doing.  And everyone carries, we are different from anointing and gifting, but that’s how you live in interdependence, they are not independent.  They need one another, they add value to one another, they honor one and another and it is just a phenomenal feel but it creates an environment where it seems like Heaven is coming down, not just to visit but it creates an environment where creative miracles is taking place, tumors are disappearing, and it is very very attractive as I say for God to come because He don’t want to come to be a visitor again and another program. He wants His family, He wants to habitation, not the visitation and that’s the environment.  So the supernatural seems so natural, it seems so easy and I feel why do we make it so difficult, including in my life that is supposed to be the Father of this movement?  I’m learning and I’m saying, wow this seems so easy, so simple.

Sid:  Boy, I can just feel such a velvety presence of the Holy Spirit, can’t you feel that?  Now Leif Hetland gives these seminars all over where he prays for the impartation of the Father’s blessing.  He prays for impartation of supernatural love.  He prays to have you healed of an orphan spirit.  He prays that you would be free from the perhaps you had a father that was absent or abusive, or just cold.  He prays for you to experience intimacy with God. 

Sid:  But there’s something that is preventing you from walking in the intimacy of a true Son of God.  You’re born again, you will go to Heaven, but there is something missing in your walk.  And that’s why all this week I’ve been speaking to Leif Hetland about an orphan spirit.  Leif, for those that are just tuning in, explain what an orphan spirit is and perhaps how to recognize if you have an orphan spirit.

Leif:  An orphan spirit is a primary identity of someone that is living the life without a home.  And what I mean by that you can have a 10,000 sq. foot house, but still not have a place of home, a place of security, we were made for that.  Every single person in this world God wants us to have security, a place of love, unconditional love because if there’s love deficits in your life you are going to look for love somewhere else; a place of value because to God, I mean you are fearfully and wonderfully made even before you were in his mother’s womb He knew you.  There’s something in each person that there is a value, but orphan’s don’t find that value because the orphan spirit is looking for value in what they are doing or they are judging themselves because they are never going to do enough; they don’t have a place from where the Father they have value.  And they don’t have a proper purpose in life that is from Heaven towards earth.  Orphans would live towards inheritance; either you will find it through massive striving, lack of peace, very self-reliant.  Orphans would have an incredible independent spirit and there’s two ways that I see an orphan spirit and you can recognize if you have one.  Are you comfortable with love?  Are you comfortable with intimacy?  If you are not comfortable and that is the major thing that I recognize in the same also with a different relationship, husbands and wives.  The orphan spirit will blame, the orphan spirit will say well, he did or she did, I didn’t do it, me, me, me that is either manifested in I me, me, me or pointing the fingers to other people playing the blame game.  So I think there’s a root here of restlessness, a root here where you do not have and an A+ on the Father’s report card.  You have not heard the voice that Jesus heard that He wants all of us to have that you are my Beloved Son or my Beloved Daughter.

Sid:  Okay, that leads to the next question, explain to me what Sonship really means.

Leif:  Sonship is also getting back to identity like Jesus was a Son of the Father and you will find that all throughout and that’s why the Jewish faith is so beautiful and you will find it because they define family; Abraham, Isaac, Jacob; but it has to do with family.  A son is somebody that has the identity of a father, have a heart of a father and are living the life in intimacy and relationship with the father is in proper relationship.  One of the Bible terminologies is the Spirit of Adoption, but you’re now part of God’s family; of the Father’s family; He is your Poppa; you are a Son or a Daughter and He is Our Father, but to be Our Father He is my Poppa.   He is your Poppa so you have a Daddy, a Father and you have been affirmed by the Father and that’s the key to being affirmed by the Father and anointed by the Spirit then you can be lead into the wilderness to be tested and come out with a testimony.  A son is somebody that has lived there life like they have a home, they have inheritance; all that Poppa has is mine so that when I am facing difficulties or challenges in life I’ll just say “Well, I’ve got a big big Poppa I’ve got small problems.  But if you got a little Poppa you’ve got big problems.  So that’s it, it is a relationship issue between a Father and a Son it is not a gender thing I am using now.  I’m just using the language like the guys, we are going to be called the bride of Christ for eternity; so this is just a language of a position that we have with Father God.

Sid:  Explain to me at the moment your eyes were opened and you were healed of an orphan spirit.

Leif:  I was lying on a floor and then as Jernigan had just sang a Father’s song over me and I heard the Father’s voice saying, “You are my beloved Son Leif, whom I am well pleased.”  The liquid love that flowed up and down and when I came up from that very floor one of the first things, I just started to weep.  I couldn’t weep, I couldn’t cry before because as Norwegians we don’t do that, just women cry, but not men; and now I weep all the time.

Sid:  Was that the first time you were ever able to freely weep?

Leif:   Yeah, I would say so because I shut down my emotion; I didn’t show a lot of affection; I was afraid of intimacy.  And so there was a lot of issues so when I came as an example home to my wife I just repented, I said, “I’m so sorry,” because there was areas where I had not been able to demonstrate love that I hadn’t been able to express love.  That I hadn’t been able to affirm her, I went to my children many times.  I remember one picture the Spirit gave me was my son came into me and said, “Daddy Daddy did you see my new shoes?  And I was, “Yeah, yeah, yes son I know it’s okay, but I’m working my sermon right now.”  And I just started to think about it and I just started to weep again so I went to my children and I said I’m so sorry for you are more valuable than my sermon, you are more…I mean I wept pretty much for two months afterwards because I started to think about all of these experiences where I had operate as an orphan and to fare financially speaking, the pleasures and everything else.  Jesus didn’t seem to have those pressures because He only did what the Father was doing.   He said what the Father was saying; He lived His life like a Son, He has an inheritance.  “Son all that I have is yours,” became an expression He told me a couple of months later, “All that I have is yours.” And I’m like wow, “Does that mean all?”  “Yeah, all that I have is yours.”

Sid:  The people listening to us right now, they’re dealing with fears of all kinds, they’re dealing with a father that had a lack of being able to show affection or even worse did things to them, or abandoned them, they’re filled with fear, they’re filled with shame, what’s the best way to get rid of this?

Leif:  The biggest thing is to come Home, to come Home.  First of all I want to remind all of us including myself, I had a great father, a good father, he didn’t do any of these horrific things and I literally have talked to thousands of people.  For ten years this has been a primary message, what I am seeing here with let’s come home to Father God.  He will never hurt you, He will not abuse you, He is not distant, He is not angry, He is inviting us like He did with the prodigal son to come home, you don’t have to be in the distant land, you don’t have to be in the pigpen or you don’t have to be out in the field you can come home.  That’s the first things is and what I mean with that is just to come to Poppa God and just getting a revelation of His love towards you, because when I started to get a revelation of the Father’s love towards me and not just that He loves me, but even likes me; He delights in me, I’m His happy thought.  The second element and there is a healing and that is I’m asking the area in my life that is not comfortable with love, because those areas are not comfortable with God for God to pour His love.  And that was including Derrick Prince and newsletter in February 9, 1998.  He had a great healing, deliverance, all this ministry, but he had that orphan spirit so he described that experience that he always all of his life.  We know Derrick Prince, but he had this little dark cloud, he had this struggle with oppression and when that happened to him he experiencing the love.  And he described in his February 9^th, 1998 of his love experience and all this healing took place.  So I’m not saying that you’re always finished with it, but as soon as I start to think like an orphan or feel overwhelmed by finances I am just climbing up on my Poppa’s lap being His little boy and then suddenly finding my security, my love value, my purpose in Him and being a Son.

Sid:  What if someone says, “I see an area where I’m not comfortable with love, what should they do about that?”

Leif:  First thing is just asking Father God to pour His love into those areas, because perfect love casts will take away fear.  I’ll give you one example, because I go a lot into some of the darkest Muslim nations in the world and I use to have a lot of fear doing it.  And the way it cured was that I was bitten by a Pit Bull when I was young and I’ve always been afraid and fearful of Pit Bulls.  If a Pit Bull was to attack a little kitty cat and I know maybe some of the listeners would react.  But if I asked, “What do you think I will do?”  And I need to be honest, I would do nothing.  “Do you know why?” Because the fear that I have for the dog is greater than the love that I have for the cat.  But now if my daughter was there I would have no fear at all.  Why? Because the love that I have for my daughter is greater than the fear that I have for the dog.  I spent three months just receiving love, coming to Poppa and I said, “Poppa I want you to love on me because the love has to come from Him, go through Him and back to Him.  It is not something we make up or we try.  I just position myself, “Daddy, I just want You to love on me today and I want your love go deeper.  I want you to touch…”

Sid:  I’m reminded of the scripture that says, “You have not, because you ask not,” and what you’re saying is that it’s so simple you are asking for Him to open you up to His love.  You’re asking for His love.

Leif:  Wow!  And in 1 Corinthian’s 13; gives a good definition of what love is.  “Love never fails,” that means love always wins.  “It is patient, it is kind, it does not envy.” That’s the nature that you’re pouring into yourself.  It is something that has to do with His nature, the other experiences that I have been in lately is not just to ask that, but I have encountered with Him who is love and that has to do with, I’ll just open myself and through those encounter who He is what you become.  So when fear comes my way it is always an invitation for me to have an encounter with Him who is love; and the love that I experience is not what I just study and read about, but the love that I experience being with Him is what I become and what I become now I can release and the love in me can now change the fear that is around me and you can change an environment and settings and that’s what we just saw when I was overseas a few weeks back.

Sid:  I’ll tell you what, hold that thought.

Sid:  My guest is Leif Hetland, and just before we went on the air I was thinking you know, every show I start out with “We’re the Mishpochah” which is a Hebrew word for family.  And Leif isn’t that what we’re talking about this week when we talk about the orphan spirit and the spirit of son-ship and the devil is the founder of this orphan spirit and he tries to spread it to everyone possible and God is the family of Sonship which God’s really trying to make an extended family.

Leif:  Yeah, and that’s the beauty I hadn’t even, because I don’t know Hebrew as well just know a few words, but as you said that first of all, “Heaven on earth is a family business.  It started with a family and it ends with a family and we’re living a season where the Father is restoring His family here on earth and eventually they are going to be represented from every nation tongue, tribe and language.

Sid:  Well, Malachi talks about this restoration of the last days the Spirit of Elijah is going to come and restore the hearts of the fathers to the children and the hearts of the children to the fathers and it says if that doesn’t happen they’ll be a curse on the earth.

Leif:  Yeah, and on the other side we are seeing it in Romans 8, “Creation is moaning and groaning.”  So, there’s a cry in creation from the poor to Muslims, to people all over in homes and poverty and pain and suffering.  Where are the Sons, where are Daughters?  Creation is moaning and groaning and groaning for the very manifestation for us to become what we already are.  Get back and live a life like we have a home, like the prodigal son that leaves sin and let’s get back home to the Father’s home.  If it is rebellion or religion, let’s come home and I have experienced both being, rebellious and religious so I speak out of a lot of experience.  But that’s the glorious home coming that’s taking place in the kingdom.

Sid:  Well, you know most people with an orphan spirit are under a deception and they don’t even realize that they have this because they’ve pushed that fear and that injustice and that pain down so deep that they rely on themselves and that they’re so deceived they think they’re relying on God.

 Leif:  Yeah.

Sid:  Tell me about yourself.  Tell me about how you got an orphan spirit and how you got free.

Leif:  Yeah, I believe that some of that orphan spirit is in us from birth.  It started with me, give me, bless me, I need a clean diaper, “Wah Mommy I want.” Everything is about self in the center and so to a certain degree some of that is there, but for me a major shift that took place was that I came from a godly home.  I mean we have from every angle, both from my Mom and Dad side which is very unusual in Norway, my country, very solid Pentecostal background, good theology, good security.  I had it all, had a great great home, but the deception was the enemy came in and there was a abuse that took place when I was about twelve years old.  And I didn’t know that I put on fig leaves; fear, insecurities, guilt, loneliness, because pain seeks pleasure, now you feel shame and you feel pain and you start to cover up.  And I didn’t realize I started my journey to become a prodigal son, the enemy the ultimate orphan came in and now in the next moment, this is even before I was saved and I gave my life to Jesus, but automatically I started to run towards anything that could try to stop that pain.  The good news was that when I was eighteen years old I had an amazing encounter with Jesus.  Supernatural encounter with Him where I was saved, I was healed and delivered, set free from all kinds of things.  It was just one of those glorious salvations that was the good news!  The bad news was that I went to church which was more like an orphanage where they now was training me to go from a prodigal son to become the prodigal brother and I started with all the duty of religion.  And that kind of was my journey for many years; I went to Bible College, seminary became a pastor and now of course I must be holy, I need to do this, I need.  The prodigal brother issue because if I do that maybe Poppa is going to be well pleased with me.  But, I never do enough, my wife doesn’t do enough, my children don’t do enough.  I never have enough money and no matter what I did I could not please my Father.  So some of those lies that that orphan spirit was there, I mean I was…

Sid:  So you were fear driven, that’s what I’m hearing?

Leif:  Yeah, and it’s to the root of the orphan spirit that’s why the first thing it starts with is a Baptism of Love because “Perfect Love takes away all fear.”  When you’re becoming free from fear than that’s when you can start to live.  But yes, I was fear driven, but it is connected to this orphan spirit.

Sid:  But as a Baptist Preacher, I recall you just got so dry.

Leif:  Yes, I was burned out; I never did enough.  I had some amazing encounters with the Holy Spirit, but the problem was that it was leaking.  The Holy Spirit visited me and I knew now the anointing…

Sid:  And by the way, that’s why the people go from meeting to meeting because they have encounters with the Holy Spirit, but they leak.

Leif:  Yeah.

Sid:  So, they could go to meetings the rest of their life, but if they’re still leaking they’re never going to be satisfied.

Leif:  Yeah, and one of my favorite picture of the Holy Spirit is the dove and because I have started to study and look more and more at doves.  And what I realized I can have the dove and this is how I realize in year 2,000 when I first an encounter with the Father’s love I realized that I was in a big Word of Faith Church, a black church preaching and a dove was there, signs, wonders, miracles.  The power of God just touched that place, it was amazing and then I came into the car and I started to think certain thoughts and every else, the dove was gone, the presence was gone and by the time I got to my wife and kids and got home; I mean I was irritated, I was this and I was that.  I didn’t have love, joy, peace and all of these wonderful things that the dove brings.  I had pigeons but I didn’t know what happened and I started to just notice in that in my life that…

Sid:  But why would you leave such a wonderful place so filled with the Spirit of God and come home irritated; I don’t get it?

Leif:  Well, that’s why I think that that orphan and that orphan spirit comes in, because I didn’t understand that the superglue on your life that is going the dove to stay that’s where we have been anointed by the Spirit.  So we’ve had a baptism of water, a lot of people that are listening and some have had what we call a baptism of the Holy Spirit, the dove came upon you, but they’ve not had a baptism of love and have not been affirmed of the Father.  That was the key for the dove to stay upon Jesus.  Even in the wilderness had the dove stay there and when He came out of the wilderness He was full of the Spirit.  That’s what happened to me in the year 2000.  Suddenly the Father came and similar what Jesus had and there was a voice from Heaven, lying on the floor in Melbourne, Florida that says “You’re My Beloved Son whom I am well pleased.”  I just wept because I couldn’t understand God could be pleased with me because I looked at all these different issues.

Sid:  How does this play out in your marriage with an orphan spirit?

Leif:  Well, when it said that, “You do not do enough,” and you strive for approval when you are constantly having to do something and you are competing with other people and the next moment you are often judgmental because your wife doesn’t pray enough or suddenly in the next moment you start the blame game.  And it affected my marriage and I many times weep about it because I didn’t realize what I was doing that I had such expectation that I thought that God had on me.  And now I put this same expectation on everybody else and it was built up on this fear base and so they didn’t do enough.   So they did feel the affirmation and just the love and the “I’m well please with you, you are my beautiful bride.”  And they didn’t hear that so much, but “You didn’t do this,” or “I wish when I’m preaching you should be up in the front or the kids should be quiet,” or woo I’m still getting drained even talking about how my life use to be as an orphan, it’s just a… It was just a very painful thing for us.  We just survived in it and a lot of orphans do; they learned how to survive in the orphanage.  But why would you want to live your life in the orphanage when you can come home into a beautiful beautiful place?

Sid:  …When people hear this teaching and you pray an impartation of the Father’s love, what changes are you hearing that occur to people?

Leif:  The biggest thing is I say first of the individual life.   People are becoming free from themselves because self has been I the center of the orphan spirit life.  And second of all that I see what major changes they are stopping and they are not judging a lot of the people that are around them because the measurement is not based upon what everybody else does.  You suddenly feel the pain of a brother falling or you feel the pain of your spouse that has been struggling because you’re viewing them with the eyeglasses of love the way the Father views you.  And the other thing I’m seeing, I’ve seen some amazing miracles, I’ll just share one of them in Ankeny, Iowa that I never forgot; Renee was sitting in a wheelchair and it was in an Assembly of God Church in Hawkland Assembly of God, late that night I prayed and we saw a lot of healings but one girl sitting in a wheelchair.  She had been prayed for by all the big names in America, actually I had prayed for her before.  Tragic accident and from her neck and down she cannot move. And suddenly I didn’t have a lot of anointing or faith, but I asked, “Renee what would you like the Father to do for you?”  And she said, “Healing my orphan spirit.”  I never forgot it, tears coming to her eyes and I just started release a Father’s Blessing for her and to make that story short, because we have watched it over and over again, but I said, “Father I know that if this was my daughter Lila that was sitting here, I know what I would do, and now Father I know that you love Renee much more than I love Lila, give her a sign that you are going to heal her and in a matter of one hour and forty-five minutes, Renee is running all over the room, everybody is shouting.  Her father comes in who is in from a different theological equation that believes maybe this was God’s will.  But we had tried faith, we had tried anointing, we had tried giftedness and I have seen major miracles happening when suddenly they realize that, “I am a beloved daughter, my Poppa loves me, He is well pleased with me, He wants to give me great gifts.” And when something shifts in the view towards God and God’s view towards them, suddenly now the view towards others and their views towards the future is just changing in people.  Some major miracles are happening, mainly all kinds of mental disorder; four people bipolar, I mean we have just had so many things where they are laying on the floor for just hours just weeping like I did.

Sid:  My guest is red hot for the Messiah; I wish you could have been a fly on the wall just listening to our conversation before this interview.  Leif Hetland, this is such an important area, we’re talking about healing the “orphan spirit.”  For starters would you explain what you mean by what you mean by an orphan spirit?

Leif:  Yeah, I do believe that the orphan spirit, to put it in a very simple terminology, it can be believers or nonbelievers;  it can be Muslims or it can be from any religious faith, but it can also be somebody in the church, but it is primary an individual that are living their life without a home.  Not without a house, but they do not have a place of security where they feel secure, where they feel loved, where they feel value and they feel purpose.  So they will always then usually two tendencies; either to rebellion which we talked about before, more like the prodigal son and he was a son and there were sin issues and struggles and strongholds and it will take you to this land or sooner or later the pig pen.  Or there would be the religious aspect of the orphan spirit and that is, “Look at what I’m doing for God and you’re constantly working and striving and everything else hoping that Poppa is going to be well pleased with you,” because you are an orphan with an orphan spirit that don’t have a wonderful home and a place in the Father’s heart.  You have not had an affirmation and a father’s blessing over your life; comfortable with Jesus, maybe comfortable with the Holy Spirit, but perhaps you don’t know Him as Father God.

Sid:  Well, to be candid with you the emphasis since the Charismatic Movement, I don’t know about before because I wasn’t a believer in the Messiah before, but since the Charismatic Movement the emphasis has been Jesus or the Holy Spirit, but not Father God.  As a matter of fact most Christians don’t focus on Father God, they focus on Jesus. 

Leif:  Yeah, I believe what’s taking place is that there was a orphan and he was the first orphan with an orphan spirit and his name is Lucifer.  He actually rebelled against His Father and he took actually one third of the orphans with him and eventually…

Sid:  That was quite an orphanage he put together.

Leif:  It was and he created.  But one of the strategies that Lucifer, I mean you can run to the cross over and over get even saved, healed, delivered, but the cross don’t bring you home.  Jesus says. “I Am the way, way to where?”  “I Am the Truth, truth about what?”  So what we have seen is that Jesus was there not just so that we can get to Heaven, but to bring Heaven to us.  The second Adam came to bring us back again into a relationship with Father God.  Back into family where you could hear His voice, see His face, feel His love, experiencing His presence and live in His pleasure, living your life like a home, like Eden.  That’s where I think one of the missing pieces are is that Lucifer is trying all over the place and even if we can get hold, like myself tremendous Jesus encounter with healing, deliverance as well as salvation tremendous encounter with the Holy Spirit.  I had power, I had the dynamite; but orphans with dynamite can be very very dangerous and you can hurt yourself, your marriage, children everybody around you if you are not aware about this orphan spirit; so it’s a testimony of my life.

Sid:  Now so many people that are believers have an orphan spirit in your opinion?

Leif:   Yeah, in my opinion I believe that the majority of the believers have an orphan spirit.

Sid:  I believe that also.

Leif:  Yeah, I believe like myself that deception is very deceiving I didn’t know I had one.  There is some example in 1995 when I first went to Brownsville and we were reminded, it was in the Father’s day that move was started, but in August as Baptist Pastor from Norway stood in line and I came in.  And I didn’t know I had that orphan spirit and constantly hoped that if so and so would pray for me and this one, but they just walked by me and I was more and more offended that certain people didn’t touch me and I didn’t realize that I had an orphan spirit was rising up.  Other people were being touched, look at that person being blessed and so that one has a testimony and that one got healed.  If it was a family I would rejoice because that’s my brother and my sister that just got healed or touched and blessed, that’s how you

Sid:  That you were so hurting that you couldn’t think that way, you could only think from a selfish mindset.

Leif:  Yes, and that’s what orphans do and they are in competition that’s why we split churches, that’s why marriages split.

Sid:  Give me some of this so that people listening, give me some of the symptoms of an orphan spirit, how we could recognize it if we’re working from that.

Leif:  Let me give you some of a couple of examples, first of all orphans are often independent and there very self-reliant.  They’re independent, it’s about me, bless me, touch me, fill me, me, me so when it comes to…they see often God as a master, but they are independent or self-reliant;  while sons and daughters when in a family realm are interdependent.

Sid:  You know what I often think about, Jesus said, “I only do what I see my Heavenly Father doing,” and seems to me and orphan says is pragmatic and says, “Well I don’t see my Father doing so therefore I got to do it myself.”

Leif:  Yeah and here’s the ache that I feel in my heart, I have some powerful testimonies of transformation in my own life, but there’s several stories that come to my mind.  But one of the first time that I taught this very thing I’m remember people weeping all over the place, they ran up, but I’m guessing a transformation taking place when they get this very revelation and that is that first of all of Father God, but I believe that is the dysfunction of Father and I dealt with it different types of father.  If you had a father that was abusive, a father that was authoritative, a father I mean I went into different types of father and all over the place people just started to weep.

Sid:  A father that is not abusive necessarily, but distant.

Leif:  Yeah, now God is

Sid:  Or absent.

Leif:  Yeah. 

Sid: I mean look at the African American community, how many are single parent households. 

Leif:  Yeah, and just a couple statistics, I’ll try to not use a lot of them, but I was just thinking that  40% of all children today will go to bed in fatherless homes their Daddy, natural Daddy is not even around.  And 63% of the suicide comes from fatherless homes, and ninety percent of all homeless and run away children and the list goes on and on and on.  So America’s government said, “The number one problem that we have,” this is Federal Interagency for Child and Family statistics they say that, “The biggest problem we have in America of all problems is fatherlessness, Number 1!  What Jesus wanted to do and He said…

Sid:  You know what I’m wondering as I hear you say this, because I’ve heard people say this is that many people become homosexuals because they never had a good father relationship.

Leif:  Yeah, and we have seen literally mass mass deliverances when it comes to homosexuals; mainly just when there was a healing of the orphan spirit when you release.  What I do is, I release a Father’s Blessing over people and I represent Father God and I ask sometimes forgiveness for the natural fathers standing in the gap.  But even the Father bless them and then He says, “Now you can be fruitful, just be fruitful, multiply and take dominion.”  But right before and I know that you as Jewish people understand this better than us Norwegian and Americans, but it was the Father’s blessing that said, “Now you can be fruitful, multiply, take dominion, whoa, ask of Me and I will give you the nations.”  Right before there is a correlation right between a Father and a Son, but we do not see the relational element of being a Son like Jesus.  At first in the natural for eighteen years, excuse me for thirty years, but you will find that when He was twelve years old till He was thirty years old that He placed Himself under the subject of submission under His Father’s mission in the natural and then the Heavenly Father came and says, “You‘re My beloved Son in whom I am well pleased.

Sid:  I have to believe that there are people listening to us Leif, right now that feel that disconnect, they’ve substituted other things, but they know in their heart of hearts there’s a disconnect between them and God.