SID:  Hello Sid Roth your investigative reporter here with Doug Jones, and I will tell you what if you put a string on me I am going to fly. The presence of God is strong on this set right now that I absolutely believe that all things are possible to those that believe. Doug, you are talking about keys that are so important but you told me a story when I interviewed you on the radio; that you know sometimes oatmeal would stick to your ribs.

DOUG:  Yes,

SID:  This has stuck with me and I know that you were very close with Doctor Kenneth Hagin who is now in heaven. And he tells a story actually it was never published it was in an unpublished manuscript that you had read that meant so much to me, please tell us that.

DOUG:  He talks about a little, a little child that was brought to him in a prayer line both feet were clubbed feet, both feet were deformed. And the child was brought into the prayer line and so Brother Hagin has been praying for the sick and actually had a blind woman that had been blind for three years, actually be healed through that prayer line. And so after that prayer line was over with Brother Hagin took that little child and actually took those clubbed feet actually put him in his hands, and laid hands upon those clubbed feet and prayed. And went ahead and prayed the prayer of faith, and believed that they received, and what happened was he opened up his hands and both feet are still the same, both feet are clubbed feet he went ahead and laid his hands upon those feet one more time, praying and looked up and told the couple, I am telling you I have a stronger anointing right now to minister to these clubbed feet then I did with the blind woman who was healed out there in front ago.

SID:  And yet the clubbed feet are the same.

DOUG:  And yet the clubbed feet are the same. That healing power was administered to this child’s body that healing power was administered I know it I felt it go out of my hands. That healing power actually went out of my hands into these child’s clubbed feet. And he said these words to him, keep the switch of faith turned on, every time you think of it say the healing power of God was ministered Thursday night to our child’s feet. And it is in there working mightily.

SID:  But what do most people do, they say oh the clubbed feet are still there, I guess it didn’t work; I got to find another healing line.

DOUG:  That is exactly right, but Brother Hagin said keep the switch of faith turned on, it’s the first time that I can find were he uses that phrase.  And he defines it, and the definition of the switch of faith is the belief that the power has been ministered and that it is working mightily.  And for years Brother Hagin has used that phrase “Keep the switch of faith turned on.” “Keep the switch of faith turned on.”  He would use it after praying for the sick. Well what is the switch of faith, he said it every time you think of it say the healing power of God has been ministered to these feet and is in there working mightily. So they went home and they did just what Brother Hagin told them to do and about a week later they had brought the child back to the church, brother Hagin had already gone his way, gone to another meeting but they had brought the child back to the church were brother Hagin had prayed for them showed the child, both feet were completely normal. They were healed, simply because they kept the switch of faith turned on.

SID:  How easily they could of stopped.

DOUG:  Yes sir,

SID:  And literally aborted the seed that healed the anointing that is what we are praying for, that healing anointing to come inside of us.

DOUG:  And it is anointing, it is the healing power of God. That is what it is and it is ministered every time someone lays hands upon you. Because obedience always releases the power any time, any time you have a promise…

SID:  Does it matter whether it is a Doug Jones that lays hands on you, or John Q. Christian next door?

DOUG:  No it does not. That is my point any time anyone acts upon the word of God anytime anyone acts upon a…

SID:  It doesn’t matter if I take my hand and put it on myself.

DOUG:  It does not matter; it does not matter. You are acting on a promise, and the moment you act on a promise the healing power is always released there is power contained with every promise there is life contained in every promise his word is full of power and life and every time you act on a promise, then the power or the life within the promise is released within your life. That is the reason why when Peter acted on the word come and stepped outside that boat he is acting on a promise and the moment he stepped out he is releasing the power with the word come. And it has such power that it can defy the laws of nature and all of a sudden Peter steps out onto that water and he’s got solid out from underneath his foot; simply because he acted on the word of God. Any time you act on the word of God, power is always released

SID:  Okay I am going to have you in a moment pray the prayer of faith for the sick. Let’s assume that some people instantly have miracles and they will.

DOUG:  And that is fine.

SID:  And let’s assume that some people don’t; what should they say…

DOUG:  Keep the switch of faith turned on.

SID:  Again how?

DOUG:  I believe that the power is in my body and I believe it is working mightily. See the Bible says Jesus says that we are to believe to receive.

SID:  Every time you have a doubt you should be saying that out loud or?

DOUG:  Yes sir, out loud yes sir. And that is a huge issue we cannot win the battle of the mind by being silent we must use our mouth and it is time we start using our mouth when it comes to those doubts. Nope the Bible says they shall lay hands upon the sick and they shall recover. I believe that I recovered, I believe that I received, I believe that the healing power of God is in my body is working mightily and we are saying that until we are satisfied with the fruit produced. And it doesn’t matter whether it takes two weeks, two days, two hours, it does not matter.

SID:  What about two years?

DOUG:  You stay true to your beliefs.

SID:  Okay have I got some news for you, Doug is going to pray this supernatural prayer of faith in just a moment when we come back.  But I’ve got a free bee for you, it is called the word of knowledge, and you see the presence of God is running through your body right now and I tell you that every bone every arthritic condition every pain in your body whether it is your neck or your back or your hip or your little toes or your fingers if you will move right now it is a free bee it’s yours be healed in Yeshua that’s Hebrew for Jesus name, we will be right back in a moment and you start turning that switch of faith on right now get ready it’s coming, it’s coming.

SID:  Hello Sid Roth your investigative reporter here with Doug Jones and again I am so excited. The reason is, is that I got a hold of two of his teaching books and I had heard about Doug for many years. But he has a supernatural gift of teaching that allows people to reach into the invisible realm and literally take, literally appropriate the healing that God has for them.  Doug you taught at Rhema Bible College which you do right now at the school.  You have led the healing room, you actually became very close to Kenneth Hagin; at one point you even lived with him, what is in your opinion the number one reason people are not healed today?  People that know that God heals, but it’s the grandmother that might say, “God works in mysterious ways that we don’t understand.”

DOUG:  Yeah, it is really a lack of knowledge.  The Bible says very plainly that we will be destroyed from lack of knowledge. In Isaiah chapter 5:13 he talks about the fact that we are going to captivity because we have no knowledge; and there is a particular type of knowledge that we need to have in order to obtain healing.  You know as well as I do Sid that people are going to receive healing through two avenues one is going to be the gifts of the spirits; manifestation of the workings of miracles, the gifts of healings, through words of knowledge.

SID:  But unfortunately that doesn’t happen to everyone.

DOUG:  No I agree, because that is as the Holy Ghost wills.

SID:  I wish that the Holy Spirit would will for every single person, I mean that is the way that I would like it to be. But the truth is I go to meetings and some people have spectacular miracles and the others go home and say what is wrong with me God?

DOUG:  But, well see, the other avenue through which we receive healing is through faith. It’s through being taught the word of God, obtain certain beliefs and allowing those beliefs to govern their lives until they are satisfied with the fruit produced.  The main belief that people must have; most people have been prayed for; most people have desired prayer because they desire to be healed because they have been prayed for. But they have never stepped into that realm of believing that they received when they prayed. Jesus said in Mark 11:24 what things you desire when you pray and believe that you receive them and you shall have them.

 

SID:  But I have heard a lot of people say that ‘I believed that I have received it’ and then if you listen to them long enough, 24 hours later they say ‘I think I received it.’  And they’re not saying that, but the fact it’s almost like a mental thing rather than a spiritual thing.

DOUG:  Very true, because if we believe we receive when we pray; first of all we wouldn’t be stepping into every prayer line offered to us.  Because when I received the last time, the time last Sunday night when I was prayed for, I believed that the power of God was administered into my body and it is in there working mightily.  And from that point on there’s nothing to do but to say thank you Father.  Thank you that the power is in my body working mightily.  Most people do not believe that they have received the healing power of God when it was ministered to them.  They don’t believe that they received it.

SID:  I don’t know whether you have seen this, but I have seen people prayed for, I have prayed for people, and they walk away.   I see what they are doing; they are examining their body and their symptoms are still there.   And what goes through their mind, I am not healed.

DOUG:  Brother Hagin would always say this “The instant I lay my hands upon you the healing power of God will be administered to your body, but what you do with it after that is up to you.” And so what happens is, is so many people today are so taken up with, what I am going to get is my manifestation when that man lays hands on me man my manifestation is going to be given to me and that is going to be the end of it. And when they don’t get their manifestation, because in essence what God gives the sick when hands are laid upon them, is the healing power of God. Sid the Bible says they should lay hands…

SID:  That is very interesting what you just said. You just said something that is so important, what they receive is the healing power of God they think they are receiving

DOUG:   Their manifestation.

SID:  Yes, oh big difference.

DOUG:  Big difference and so the woman with the issue of blood she came and pressed down toward the hem of his garment, touched his hem.  Jesus known himself the virtue thrown out of him; that word virtue is power in Mark 5.  And so that means then she came to get her healing, but what she received was healing power. The healing power of God has to be administered first before it will ever receive the manifestation.  But what has happened is, is that we have become so focused on the manifestation that we have chosen not to believe that we have received when we prayed. The very fact that he tells you to believe that you receive when you pray, indicates to me that you are not going to receive something that is tangible to the touch. Perceptible by sight it is going to be something that is ministered inwardly unperceptive to the touch. That healing power of God is administered to the root of that problem.

SID:  So what you are saying to me whether they are feeling anything or not it is happening.

DOUG:  Yes sir that is exactly what I am saying.

SID:  And we get faked out because we don’t feel something.

DOUG:  Yes sir, and then what happens is we neglect what we did receive; we received the healing power of God the moment the hands are laid upon us. But because we have got our eyes focused on “well, where’s my manifestation?” then we neglect the power of God that is in us; and therefore it just sits there laying dormant with our lives.  It’s possible for things to be given to us by the laying of the hands, to lay in us dormant inactive. Remember over there in 1 Timothy chapter 4 Paul tells Timothy neglect not the gift that is in thee, neglect not the gift that is in thee. You can neglect gifts that are in thee which was given to thee by prophecy with the laying under the hands of the presbytery.  But you meditate upon these things and give yourself wholly unto them; that your property may appear unto all. Now I know that verse is not talking about healing power but it is talking about something that is received through the laying of hands. It was a spiritual gift, and if you can neglect a spiritual gift, well then you can neglect the healing power of God that was administered to you through the laying of hands. It can just lay in there dormant, and so the issue for us is, is to first of all make people aware of the fact that the healing power of God is administered to their bodies. Sid we’re having people fall out under the power of God; laying prostrate on the floor because they walk away, boy the power was sure are having people fall out under the power of God laying prostate on the there tonight. We are having people feel the power of God go out of  their hands we are actually having people today feel the power of God going into them, well it felt like electricity, well it just felt like warm honey just kind of flowing all over me. And so we are falling out by this, we are having hands lay upon us that actually felt it go out of their hands and into the sick. We are actually having people feel the power of God go into their bodies and yet they are walking away and saying I didn’t get anything.

SID:  So something is missing we are about ready to understand this.  That is what I believe light bulbs are going on right now, and I believe that before this show is over you are going to receive the miracle you have been asking God for, it is yours, don’t go away.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Ken and Jeanne Harrington. And, you know, in the times we’re living in people are losing jobs or they’re being downgraded or demoted. And God works with you on understanding Kingdom Principles through job situations. Tell me about the Randy story.

KEN: I had been working for this young fellow that was not as experienced as I was, but he ended up being my foreman. And our job was running down. I got a call to go work at a mine and to bring somebody with me. So I decided I’m gonna bring Randy along. And we drove out together, filled out the application form. I handed my in. He handed his in. And then the secretary, in the process of just assigning our ID numbers, gave him a lower number, which didn’t mean anything to me, except he now had seniority over me, even though I was the one that had brought him along. Well something happened at the job that they needed to try and deal with a few things and it was gonna result in some layoffs, and so Randy got laid off. But because he had seniority he bumped me, even though I had gotten him the job.

SID: But that’s not fair.

KEN: Well it’s not fair, no. And I was upset. But in the process we decided we’d start a company. Well that company has produced in the last 20 years between three and four million dollars. So even though it was not something good that happened, God turned it to good. And this is–

SID: But how did you react when that occurred?

KEN: Well I was upset originally. But then I started to see the hand of God in it. And I actually ended up going back to work for them. They rehired me in about four months. Then we got laid off again, the two of us, this time. They eliminated our job. And I felt actually to take Randy with me on another job where he was working for me.

SID: How could you do that? He just took your place.

KEN: Because God told me to. So I had to say there was something more he wanted to work out. Well what happened was he hadn’t changed and he stabbed me in the back again, and I lost my standing in this particular company. But what God was actually doing for me was He was allowing Randy to work out something in me, which was my independence and my doing it my way where I actually had to start to trust God that even when all these bad things go wrong, he’s in control. Don’t worry about it. And the end was that I was able to actually witness to him at one time, and because he knew had hurt so many times he was able to listen and respond.

SID: Did he receive the Lord?

KEN: Yes he did. I don’t say he walked out really great, but he actually did make a confession.

SID: But the difference is that you flowed with the spirit of God rather than being a hard head by using Kingdom Principles.

KEN: Part of the Kingdom Principle is you don’t have to protect yourself. That’s God’s job.

SID: Okay. Jeanne, you prayed for at least five people with tumors that they’ve disappeared. Tell me about that.

JEANNE: One year, five people were diagnosed with brain tumors in our church body, and I would pray for them. And as soon as I laid hands I believe that they were healed, totally healed, there was no brain tumor. One of them is Lyle S.. And he sent in just recently an email, and he had been diagnosed with a brain tumor, and he had it on the pituitary gland, and he was scheduled for an operation. They could see it. And I met him in the hallway and I said, “I don’t believe you have tumor.” And he said, “But the doctor said.” I said, “I don’t believe you have a tumor.” And I prayed for him. And there was no tumor when he went back. And so I believe sometimes God sets us up. Will we believe Him or will we believe the doctor, or what we see? And we’ve got to move into this higher realm. We’ve got to move into the supernatural and start believing God’s word. And I believe there’s people out there that have been diagnosed with diseases, and God wants to heal you. He wants to touch you. He wants to set you free from that disease.

KEN: The interesting thing about what Jeanne is saying, she’s not saying they weren’t sick. She’s not denying that. But Jesus said in the scriptures, “By his stripes you were healed.” So the healing is the truth. The sickness is the facts. But the facts aren’t always the truth. If I can give you an example, this table, is it real? Well yes, of course it’s real. But what was it a hundred years ago?

SID: A tree.

KEN: Yeah. And what’s it gonna be in another hundred years?

SID: Soil.

KEN: Right. It will turn into something else. So even though at this slice of time it is really a table, it is something that’s in transition. The Bible says that the eternal things never change. So we have a sickness that is a fact at this slice of time. We have a healing, which is the truth. What we need to do is to be able to transition the sickness into the truth. Jesus says, “I am the truth.” He didn’t ever change it. So if he says you’re healed, it doesn’t matter what the facts say, that you can, if you can shift your way of thinking to agreeing with him, he can bring that truth to overcome the facts.

JEANNE: And I see somebody out there right now. You’ve been flipping through the stations and you think you’re here by accident. You are here by the destiny of God. This is your appointed time. You’ve been having problems with your left knee and right now the Holy Spirit is touching you and healing it. There’s someone out there that’s really depressed. You feel like is it ever gonna change for me? I can’t take my life any more. It will change. God loves you. He loves you so much He sent His son for you. And He is going to cause change to come into your life. And God says, “I am for you, not against you. I have plans for your life.” And there’s someone that’s had severe headaches. You’ve had migraines. Right now they’re going. Right now they’re going in Jesus’ name.

SID: You know what I noticed? I’m an observer of the Holy Spirit. The moment you started praying there was a tangible presence of God. And isn’t it true that if you have the tangible presence of God and the Word of God that it’s like a chemical equation? It materializes. It’s the truth. That’s what you were talking about, Ken. It’s the truth. And I’m gonna tell you the truth right now. Here is the truth. You do not need an angel to show up in front of you with a big sign saying “Danger”. All you need is the truth. And Jesus said, “I am the way, the life and the truth. No man can come to the Father except through the son.” If you will, someone’s headache has just lifted in Jesus’ name. In fact in the head, whatever you need in the head area right now, hearing ears opened, deaf spirits leave, eyesight be restored, back be restored. Here’s the truth. Tell Jesus you’re sorry for your mistakes. Believe the blood of Jesus washes them away. And then say, “Jesus, I make you my Lord. Live inside of me.” And start living in the truth. Don’t live in something that will be a hundred years from now and won’t even exist. Stick with the truth. I like that. Don’t you?

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Ken and Jeanne Harrington. And some of these principles that are Kingdom Principles, Ken, they’re hard. For instance, you said that if someone is 1% right and I’m 99% right, well I should not have to repent to them. I shouldn’t have to say I’m sorry. But a Kingdom Principle is you humble yourself. But that’s very hard to do, Ken.

KEN: The humbling is designed not to make you lower. In fact, it’s to bring you to a higher place. Jesus said that if you go into a point of law to deciding who’s right and who’s wrong, that if the accuser accuses you, what are you supposed to do? You’re supposed to agree with him. So for even for that 1%, because if I go to law and it says, no I’m 99% right, Jesus said that if the accuser gets you to the judge, he says you’ll be found guilty and you’ll be put in prison. Well why? Well the principle is, yeah, I may be 99% right here, but I am 1% wrong, and he gets to get me. The law is made up of ten links. There’s only one law, ten links. All I have to do if I’m wrong in one, I’m wrong in them all. So I will come under really a judgment in that sense. What I need to do is I need to agree, ask God to forgive me, apply the forgiveness and say, yes, I’m wrong, but it doesn’t matter. But if I try to justify myself now I’m guilty.

SID: You know what it does though? It gives you such freedom, such power when you can walk in that type of supernatural humility. Ken and Jeanne, you were counseling a couple. Give me a real life illustration.

JEANNE: Well we had a couple of couples. All of a sudden their marriages blew up. And so we were trying to help them. And one day we had two families in our house that we were babysitting and feeding, and trying to manage all the damage that–

KEN: Counseling in two different rooms at the same time.

JEANNE: All the damage the enemy had done and we allowed one of the wives to really express herself to her husband the anger she felt. And I told her to take a pillow and just give him a whack. And the husband took great offense to it and said that we were very poor counselors. And the other one had situations with adultery, another family. And we started getting attacked on our counseling methods and what was going on, and we couldn’t justify ourselves. And I had to repent for what I did do.

KEN: We couldn’t justify because we couldn’t expose what we were dealing with.

JEANNE: And then in the end everything settled out and the people became very good friends of ours, and a strong connection and bond, and their families, their marriages are all in tact. So it’s worthwhile.

SID: So because you followed the Kingdom Principle, their marriage was in tact, your friendship was in tact. I like these Kingdom Principles.

KEN: They work.

SID: Now angel. Tell me about the angel.

JEANNE: I was driving home through the mountains and through the forest in the park in northern Alberta. And on the way I was listening to Bible tapes, looked out my window and saw two large beings. They looked like hitchhikers, but they were sort of translucent. There was something really different, and they had a great big sign that said “Danger”. But immediately the tape I was listening to quoted Psalm 103:20 that says, “The angels are there to perform the Word of God.” So I thought “Danger”, I’d better invite them in. I invited them in and I just felt this presence come into the car. And this big tankard truck, double trailer, brand new shiny, came and passed me on the road. Now there were very few cars on the road, very remote place. And we were driving along and he turned off to Highway 22 where I was supposed to turn off. And all of a sudden I felt like let’s stop at the rest area and take the little dog for a walk. And then well let’s go into the next town and gas up even though we didn’t need gas. Let’s have a soda. And then we came back to go on Highway 22, and I’m remembering “Danger”. I haven’t seen any danger. So I start quoting Psalm 39, “That God would protect and the pit, the net of destruction that enemies plant for us, it will reverse on his head.” So as I’m driving along Highway 22, we left sunshine, and all of a sudden a torrential rain started. And I’m thinking, oh the enemy’s got a plan. So I slowed down, just kept praying, praying. All of a sudden I see all of the flashing lights. The emergency trucks are there. That tankard truck tipped over across the highway and rolled. Had we been following him like we were supposed to do we would have been totally in an accident. So we could rejoice that God helped us, warned us, told us there was danger, and prevented the accident.

SID: I have to believe that God gave you that warning because He wanted to keep you alive. I have to believe He wanted to keep them alive because some of the supernatural Kingdom Principles you’re going to learn. Be right back after this word.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My guests, Ken and Jeanne Harrington, Jeanne, you had, was it a vision or a dream of a tsunami coming to the United States of America and Canada, but it wasn’t a tsunami in the natural. It was a tsunami in the supernatural. Explain, Jeanne.

JEANNE: It was a dream about a big wave of God that’s going to move across Canada and the United States, and many people are gonna come to know God in a powerful way. I was, all of a sudden plopped into the ocean. And all of a sudden I’m on a surfboard, and I look behind me, and first of all, I’m afraid because I don’t surf, and this huge wave comes up and it picks me up and it takes me right to the shore. Then it picks me up again, plops on the wave again, but people are mocking and laughing, and I’m turned backwards, but I spin around the right way and go right to the end. And it happens again and again. And I really feel that it’s about God’s move that’s coming, a powerful move that we’re not gonna make mistakes on. It doesn’t matter what people think about us. But there’s gonna be a move that’s gonna come in and release the glory of God for the salvation of many.

SID: And you know what? The thing that I love about this vision that Jeanne had is that it wasn’t the superstar. Explain.

JEANNE: No. I’m just an ordinary person and my husband was in the dream, and another fellow, and we’re just ordinary people. But God’s gonna use everyone, everyone in the end. He wants to have all of us reach out to our neighbors, to our loved ones to tell about God.

SID: Now Ken, tell me about the supernatural visitation you had where for 45 minutes you were downloaded the information of your book, “Shift: Moving from the Natural to the Supernatural”.

KEN: I was working in a construction camp in northern Alberta and about 10:00 at night I was just ready to go to bed, and suddenly the Holy Spirit just started to bring words up into my mind, and I got up real quick, and I started to write it down. And I realized as I was writing I was actually getting chapters of a book. And I get the chapter. I get the outline. I got everything I needed in 45 minutes. I was writing as fast as I could just to keep up. And I had never written a book before. I wasn’t ready to be published. I didn’t understand what was going on, but I knew I had to finish this off. So once the download was done then I just flashed it out and put it to work.

SID: I believe the revelation that you had is so important. I have to tell you, I read a lot of books. I interview a lot of people. But I believe because of the revelation that Jeanne had of the tsunami coming and that God wants to use everyone in the supernatural is why you got this revelation. What is the passion of this revelation? What is God trying to show people?

KEN: He wants us to shift the way we think. We’ve been so used to functioning in the natural realm, and our reasoning has been molded by the events in our life. But what God wants to do is, Sid, there’s another realm, there’s another way of thinking, and the emphasis of the book is to shift that thinking so that we actually step into see things the way God sees things, and that will allow us then to do the things that God does.

SID: Well you see, in the 1940s there was a great move of God’s spirit in these tent revivalists with great miracles were all over. But most of them failed. They had the miracles, but they hadn’t developed the character. They hadn’t developed the servanthood. And I don’t hear enough teaching about this any more. This is what I’m getting. I have to tell you, I’m getting under such conviction when I start to feel angry over something I have to check myself out. What is the source of that anger? Is it that little pimple that I’m looking at or is there something deeper? Like for instance, the time that you got upset with Jeanne because she wanted you to, she’s what 5-foot, what?

JEANNE: One or two.

SID: Five-foot-one or two, and you can’t reach the top shelf.

JEANNE: No.

SID: So what’s wrong with asking your husband to reach the top shelf?

KEN: What was wrong was I had a wrong thinking in my brain. We end up forming judgments that really lock us into a thinking pattern. It’s like a rut in the road, and you drop a tire in the rut, and you actually can’t get out of that rut if it’s deep enough. Well our thought patterns are like that, too. We develop ruts in neural pathways, however you want to say it. And I had developed one over the years that came to fruit in my wife. It actually started with my mother. And when I found myself reacting and I’m mumbling under my voice, you know, kind of, “Leave me alone” to her when she asked me to reach something, I thought, man, there’s something wrong there. And so we started to pray and say, “God, show us what was wrong.” And He brought me back to my mother at the same age that Jeanne was. I saw myself, I was about 15 or 16, and I watched my father sit down after coming home after a long day in the fields, working on the farm, and she was trying to be relational, get him to interact with him, and he was sort of an isolated type of gentleman, and was watching TV, kind of half falling asleep, and she’d call him, “Bob, come up and get this.” And he’d get up and go do it. Then he’d sit down and five minutes later, “Bob, come and get this.” And I remember the thought coming into my head, “Leave him alone. You’re gonna kill him.” Well it’s crazy, but most of our judgments actually are kind of goofy.

SID: And that’s what I found out, that they really, you see here’s the thing. It’s these judgments are not in line with the spiritual truth book, the Bible. And when they’re not in line they’re crazy. At most, judgments are crazy.

KEN: Yeah. And so this judgment I had, well men are suppose to be the stronger one. The women are the weaker vessel, the Bible says. But women outlive us ten years. Well what happens? They get us to do all the work and it kills us. And that judgment then manifested itself when Jeanne reached my mom’s age and when I made it, it only took a matter of a day or two of once we identified it, praying it, and all that went away.

SID: Jeanne, what difference did it make to you when he changed?

JEANNE: It made an immediate difference because he then started opening the car doors, taking my coat, reaching for things as soon as he broke it. But he had to repent of his sin.

SID: That’s what’s so amazing. You are a prototype of someone that has had experience after experience of changing your thinking. And why is the thinking important to be changed? Because you need a new lion skin to contain the glory of the tsunami wave of God’s spirit. Now God showed you your own heart. Here you are a believer in the Messiah and you love God with all of your heart, but what did He show you about your heart?

JEANNE: My heart’s deceitfully wicked. At one time God started to reveal my heart to me and I cried for two weeks straight. And I taught Sunday school. I was active in church. I love God with all my heart. And one day I cried for six hours straight when I saw how deceitfully wicked my heart was.

SID: Ken, when she was crying, could you understand it when she said, “My heart is deceitful”?

KEN: No, not so much at that time. But she reminded me that your turn will come, and it did.

SID: I’m gonna tell you something. God is preparing us and I’m so excited. He’s preparing us for visitations of angels. We’ll talk about an angel. Don’t go away. A real angel.