SID: Hello, Sid Roth here with Joan Hunter. And I’m reminded of God’s Word that says, “The wealth of the wicked is stored up for the righteous.” And if you know the Messiah, when God looks at you, He sees His Son, Yeshua. I don’t care what you thinkng in your mind. That’s what the Word of God says. You are righteous. Hold your head up high. I am righteous. I am clean. And as a matter of fact, speaking of this great wealth transfer that is coming, Joan, God is giving you invention. Did you ever think you’d be, tell me what God is doing with you?

JOAN: It is so awesome, because I was in a hotel room and I thought, oh man, I wish I really had something that did this, and I thought, I’ll just design. I wrote it down on a piece of paper, took it to an engineer, it’s designed, and it’s in the process of being manufactured right now. We had another idea and were like, oh, this would really be good if we had something like this. There is nothing out on the market like that. And so now it’s in production and in the process right now. And I’m hoping everybody buys one between now and the next year because it will…

SID: No, because you’ve got to write that million-dollar check!

JOAN: Check! And bless what God is doing. And that’s what He’s doing. He’s blessing those that have been faithful with their tithes and offerings in turn to go and to be a blessing to what he’s doing and the vision that God has given people to fulfill. It takes millions of dollars to fulfill what God has called you to do. The technical companies and the secular companies, they’re not going to be funding this in the natural. So it’s going to come from Christians. And you know,  Father, let it be me. I’ll write millions of dollars of tithes and offering checks. Hallelujah!

SID: Joan, I love to hear stories of people that just have average type professions and get downloaded these amazing inventions. Tell me about that hairdresser.

JOAN: I love this story. She was in the service and I had spoken about finances, financial breakthrough, etc. And I prayed over everybody to get witty inventions. So she in turn goes to lunch and she comes back, and as a hairdresser. She says, “I’m going to invent a really neat hair coloring line that is healthy for your hair” and all this kind of stuff. And I thought, great, that’s awesome. Praise God! But normally He doesn’t do it in your own knowledge, like I know how to do hair color. So that’s more natural rather than God putting something on you that you had never done before. So what happened is that God, in the nighttime, gave her a vision and a dream about a piece of equipment for an ophthalmologist. She wasn’t even sure how to spell ophthalmologist.

SID: I wondered.

JOAN: And so here she’s got this ophthalmologist design for eyes and so forth, and she says, what do I do with it? So she had it drawn up a little more professionally than just out of this deep sleep. She takes it to a group of ophthalmologists. They say, this absolutely the most incredible design I have ever seen in my entire life. Every ophthalmologist will have one of these. “What we want to do before we go into manufacturing, before we go in, we want to give you an advance on this invention. Now is it okay? I know it’s really low.” And they kept going. And she’s like, (thinks to herself) okay give me a couple thousand dollars and we’ll be good… And the lady said, “We want to offer you $20 million for your idea.”

SID: Did you catch that? $20 million for an idea.

JOAN: And that’s before manufacturing.

SID: She couldn’t even spell the word.

JOAN: And then she goes, let me pray about it – YES! Ok. Get that $20 million. Her church has been believing for a million. And so the church is getting $2 million, one to pay off their debt and one million to renovate the whole church and put a parking lot in

SID: Joan, the principles that got, and see, this isn’t just theory with Joan. This is…she was flat broke! She was out and God downloaded to her supernatural principles. But the question that I always have is, okay, I can see it working in America. How would it work in a third world country? Joan, how would it work in a third world country?

JOAN: The first time I went to Haiti, right after the earthquake, it was horrible down there. And I spoke to 700 pastors, and I told them how to pray for the sick and how to get this financial freedom. And I said, the Word of God works in Haiti like it does in America. And so we weren’t going to receive any offerings or anything. It was just our gift to Haiti to get the trauma out and to get them to go to their churches and pray for the trauma out of their congregation. And so I finished teaching, we started praise and worship, we’re getting ready to go break for lunch, and all of a sudden the pastors started running up and putting money down. They were emptying their pockets and putting it on the platform.

SID: You didn’t even ask for it.

JOAN: Not at all. I mean, we were weeping because they got the message. And as they’re walking back to their seats, their cell phones were going off with jobs.

SID: Really?

JOAN: It is absolutely amazing. The churches are exploding. And we went back there again. All the pastors have jobs. Their congregations have jobs. They have more money coming in to rebuild if their church was destroyed. And one church in four months received $25,000 over and above tithes and offerings from Haitians, not from America, but from Haitians actually adding to their tithe and offering specifically for the rebuilding.

SID: I know one of your favorite scriptures is Deuteronomy 8:18. Would you look into the camera right now and proclaim that over the people.

JOAN: He has given you the power to get wealth. He has given you the power to get wealth. And in Deuteronomy 28, it says, “Everything you put your hand to do is going to prosper.” It does not say, ‘everything you put your hand to do is going to prosper except during financial trouble, except during recession.’ It doesn’t say that. It says, “Everything”, anytime, anywhere “you put your hand to do shall prosper.” And when you start quoting that scripture over yourself, pointing into the mirror, you’re going to see incredible breakthrough in your life and it’s going to hit your spirit eventually. When it hits your spirit, it’s going to start bubbling up and bubbling up, and bubbling up, and you will see a difference in your finances.

SID ROTH: You know, some of the revelation that you bring forth, I’m going to have her bring it forth when we come back, I’ve never even heard before. I was having dinner with a pastor the other night and I told him one of the things I learned from Joan Hunter. He said, “I’m incorporating that right away.” Don’t go away. We’re going to be right back.

Sid:  The devil, you know I’m speaking to Becca Greenwood and she has a ministry of helping children and teens and adults get free from the demonic.  Becca, it’s almost as if the devil has some insight that there is a destiny an important destiny on a child and they get sabotaged maybe even in the womb or through generational curses or through traumas in their life.  It’s almost every time I see a child that’s so sabotaged I say to myself, “That’s a special child, that’s a special teenager that God has a destiny for do you feel that way?

Becca:  Absolutely, absolutely and you know with this book this is why we’ve written it; it’s as much for to educate you know parents and pastors as it is for us to know how to learn how to minister to our children and teens and to see them set free; but also released into purpose and destiny.  And you know I believe that each one of us has destiny stamped in us and that God wants us to be functioning in the fullness of that in our lives.

Sid:  You know another thing this course does is which I love, is it takes the mystique out of the supernatural so children rather than being a little fearful of it love it.  Now look at it this way, they love the Harry Potter, the demonic, why shouldn’t they love the God supernatural?

Becca:  Let me give you an example, there was one time we were ministering to a nine year old girl and we’ll call her Lisa and she was complaining about chronic stomach problems.  And so her parents brought her to us for prayer and when I began to speak with her Sid, I began to realize by the word of knowledge and discernment that she actually had not received the gift of salvation.  And so I began to talk with Lisa about salvation; about the love of Jesus and that she you know asking Him into her heart and so Lisa was saved.  And as she was saved she said, “Oh, Miss Becca this peace is just all over me and I feel so good, but then within about five minutes she said, “You know Miss Becca, that stomach pain it’s back and so I knew at that point we were still dealing with a deliverance issue.  And I do flow in the prophetic and words of knowledge and so I asked the Lord to show me and he kept speaking to me about horror movies, I kept hearing horror movies.  So I asked her mother is she allowed to watch horror movies?  And the mother said, “Well, no and she said, but her father loves to watch them and we have a whole book shelf full of them in our home.”  And I explained to her just because Lisa’s not watching them does not mean that there’s still not access for them to harm her if they’re in the home that’s an open door for harassment in her life.  She had been having these chronic dreams and nightmares and in this nightmare, this is what Liza would say, “The snake would appear to her and bite her, and that’s what was causing her stomach pain.”  And so after we got her saved, we then prayed and we took her through deliverance, we broke the power of any open doors just very calmly of witchcraft and the occult that was coming from those horror movies.  And she looked up and she smiled and she said, “Miss Becca, the stomach pain is totally gone.”  Now they had taken her to doctors for over a year, trying to diagnosis what was wrong with her.  And so the mother went home, I left instructions, the mother went home and she told the father about Liza what had happened; she’d gotten saved and set free.  And the father was so overjoyed at his daughter’s freedom he totally threw out and rid their home of all the horror movies and now the how family is going to church; they’ve right with God and so God can do amazing things.

Sid:  It sounds too simple the way you approach it.

Becca:  It is simple; it is not hard at all.  Ha-ha-ha.

Sid:  You know I love the course that we’re making available to you; it’s a full course with CDs and the brand new book “Let Our Children Go.”  And it will literally teach you how to train even once you learn how to train even children to identify what they’re problems are and get rid of them.  I mean, Jesus said, “You need a faith of a child.”  So it should be easy for teenagers and children.  How demons are given entrance, how to handle negative peer pressure, how to dismantle the strongholds in someone’s life.  How to break generational curses and I mean most people have had a trauma in their life, have gone through fear, as a matter of fact that’s what happened to you Becca.  You were instantly set free from the spirit of oppression and depression and like a black cloud over your head.  But then God worked a different way with you to set you free from a spirit of fear; how did you get this spirit?

Becca:  You know at the age of three my parents were, they loved football games and my parents went to a football game and they had left my older sister and I at a daycare center which my Mom very rarely did, it was very reputable, but I actually climbed the monkey bars and fell and I broke my elbow and the nursery worker became very upset because she could not comfort me and she stuck me inside in a dark room in a back corner and left me there in pain.  And my older sister who was six was standing at the door wanting to come and comfort me and this nursery worker was screaming at her saying “No, you leave her alone, and let her go to sleep.”  And so there was also a generational issue of fear that had come down my family line.  And so the enemy has never, and nor will he ever play fair and he was trying to reinitiate that spirit of fear on me and thru that trauma and that pain and that authority figure and the dark.  From that point on I had fear of authority figures, fear of heights, fear of the dark and fear of man.  But the Lord radically set me free at the age of twenty-three, well but He took me through a process to help me maintain that freedom.  I was at a woman’s retreat and they prayed for all the woman who had fear, and I knew that that spirit had left me, but when I came home even in intercession I was flowing in intercession…

Sid:  But you know what you’re describing this is what happens to so many Christians that gets free of a sickness or they get free of a spirit, because there’s authority in the name of Jesus and the blood of Jesus and the resurrection of Jesus; but then the spirit comes and tests them, will they put up that wall of faith.  So when that spirit came back to you did you think and this is what most Christians think, awe I’ve I lost my healing.

Becca:  Yeah, that’s exactly what a lot of Christians do, and that’s exactly what that spirit of fear was trying to do to me.  But I stopped it.

Sid:  See, I know about it because I dealt with severe fear and when the spirit of fear came back to me, I was born again in early seventies, I didn’t have any mentor I didn’t know and I mean I was so messed up, I mean that’s why I love doing a show like this so people don’t have to go through what I went through.  But tell me what happened to you.

Becca:  Well, what is amazing is I would be in intercession and the presence of the Lord and I could feel that fear enter my home and I would literally ask “Holy Spirit, what do I do?”  I said, “That fear is back, but I knew the difference, it wasn’t a part of me anymore but it was there trying to intimidate me.

Sid:  So the first time before you got delivered you thought that’s me I can’t be delivered of me.

Becca:  That’s right; I thought that was just a part of who I was; I would always be fearful.  And I realized that I could sense the difference and literally Holy Spirit would tell me exactly what to do.  He would say, “Get up and walk over where you feel that spirit of fear,” so I would and He would say, “Repeat after me, “I would say, okay” and He’d say, “In the name of Jesus.”  “In the name of Jesus, you are no longer a part of my life.”  And I would repeat it, “You are no longer a part of my life, I am not afraid, I am not afraid, go now, go now in Jesus name.”  And I did that every night for two months.  And my husband left to go out of town on a business trip and I put our oldest daughter to bed and I stood in the foyer of my home, it was totally dark, no TV on, no radio on, no light on, just totally quiet in the dark and for the first time of my life in that situation.  I was not afraid, and so I made the declaration, “Fear it’s over, I’m free, and you will not come on me, nor my children, nor my children’s children.”  And I’m walking in power and love and a sound mind; I have a spirit of adoption by which I cry out, “Abba Father” and I am free!

Sid:  And you know as I read your teaching and this handbook of step by step by step to help the children and the teenagers and unfortunately most of the parents that I’m listening to right now.  Tell me; give me another example, for instance Frank who had an MRI that showed two block arteries to his kidney.

Becca:  Yeah, this is so amazing.  There was a gentleman that called us who was needing prayer and he actually when he phoned us we find out when I was speaking with him that there was a generational curse of the occult in his family line.  And so we prayed for him, I set a time and I ministered to him and literally after we broke the power of that occult he went back and all the blockage that 40 to 60% blockage in his artery he was actually going to have to have surgery.  And they went back in, they ran the test and when they ran the test the blockage in his arteries, it was totally gone, he was totally healed, totally set free and they canceled that surgery.  And oh, I will never forget when I returned to the office that day and there is a message from him on the answering machine, “Becca! I went to the doctor today and when you broke that power of that generational curse of witchcraft and the occult I’ve been totally healed, arteries are totally clear and the surgery has been canceled.

Sid:  Do you know what I’m reminded Jesus sometimes would lay hands and pray for a healing, but sometimes he cast out an evil spirit.  And this is a missing area for most people; they don’t understand about generational curses; they don’t understand about how these spirits pass on from generation to generation.  And you demystify it, you make it so simple that a child could understand it, a teenager could understand it.

Sid:  My guest Mark Virkler and Mark heard an audible voice of God and God said to him, “Get up I want you to teach you to hear My voice.”  And since that time he has found out that he can do what the Bible says, he can hear the voice of God daily and he literally records journals of all of all the things that God is saying.  How would you like God to give you so much personal one on one that you get writer’s cramp from writing it all down?   Mark that’s like music to my ears hearing that and it’s got to be for every believer that is listening and outside of a couple people everyone that takes your course is able to hear God’s voice.  And the two people or three that didn’t if they would have worked longer they would have; am I right?

Mark:  That is exactly right we have a money back guarantee with our college course on hearing God’s voice.  And we say if it doesn’t work we will give you the money back and I have had a couple of people call me and say that it didn’t work.  And I said, “Okay, let me work with you and I’ve worked with them and it has worked for them, alright and so I personally think you let us work with you, you will hear I promise.

Sid:  Okay, God then spoke to you for keys and the first was being still and quiet and then the second was fixing your eyes on Jesus.  The third was spontaneity and the fourth was write it down.  Now, we want it focused today on fixing your eyes on Jesus or vision.

Mark:  Right.  Well I had no vision for the first eleven years of my Christian life because I didn’t ask for vision, believe for vision or honor any pictures that lit up on my mind and so we have not because we ask not, so we got nothing.  Jesus said in Acts 2:17, He said, “I’ll pour out My Spirit on all flesh, sons and daughter will prophecy, young men shall see visions, old men shall dream dreams,” didn’t say might said shall.   So the fact that I’m not getting any visions in the first years of my life is not because Jesus isn’t sending them, He is.  It’s because I’m not looking for, asking for or honoring those pictures that light up on my mind.

Sid:  So in affect there’s no faith dimension.

Mark:  Well, there’s no faith dimension and therefore I’m not reaching out or stepping out in faith.  So the first time that I stepped out in faith, one of the early times I stepped out in faith and began to look for vision I would see these black and white nebulous  unclear pictures that would light up upon my mind.  And my brain would jump right in and say, “I don’t believe that’s a vision, and I would say, “Why not,” and my right brain would say, “Well, it’s got to be like Paul on Damascus Road, you’ve got to see a blinding light, you have to fall down and go blind for three days and then it’s a vision.”  Then I said, “Well, that’s one way to get a vision, but you know what, Jesus saw a vision all the time He only did what He saw the Father doing.”  And He wasn’t falling down, and He wasn’t going blind He was seeing pictures and releasing those pictures to those He ministered to.

Sid:  And that means what He says, He says “He see His Father doing things.”  He must have had a continual stream of vision.

Mark:  Exactly and what I have seen that every single one of us can do that because Jesus is the example of how we’re suppose to live.  And so I repented for not looking for vision or asking for vision and said, “God I want to become like Jesus, I want to see vision all the time” and I began to look.  And I had to overcome my doubt and unbelief first of all you know what I was seeing wasn’t really God because my mind was trained to not believe and I had to retrain it to become a believing mind.  And because the Bible said that, “If we ask anything according to His will, we know that He hears us and we have the request that we’ve made known of Him.”  So my question to you would be is it God’s will to give you and I and the Body of Christ visions?

Sid:    For sure.

Mark:  Absolutely, Acts 2:17 “Young men shall see visions,” so if you and I are praying and asking for vision, we are praying according to His will and does He hear that prayer if we ask anything according to His will we know that He hears us and we have the request that we’ve made known of Him.

Sid:  Okay, so we have it in writing the answer is yes and yes.

Mark:  Yes and yes.  Okay we know that it’s His will to give us vision so if you are in prayer saying “God, give me a vision” and a picture lights on your mind do you have every right Biblically speaking to believe that picture came from Jesus?

Sid:  Absolutely.

Mark:  Absolutely if the Bible’s true and I think that we all think the Bible’s true.  And so I said, “Mind you will believe,” and I became adamant and said, “Look the Bible says this is the way it is, this is the way it is.”  And if I want more confirmation I’ll submit the information to three people that I submit to and say “Here’s what I believe and what I saw in the Spirit realm, will you tell me does your heart bear witness this came from God.”  If they say yes, then I’ll run with it.

Sid:  And of course it has to be Biblical.

Mark:  It has to be Bible of course; but I know enough scripture I can twist the Bible to make it say anything I want.  So it’s more secure if not only do I believe it’s Biblical, but also the three people I submit to that aren’t seeking to twist scripture the same way I am would also confirm it came from God.

Sid:  Okay, well I would like a continual stream of seeing what God wants me to see, that’s so wonderful to me.  Help me, work with me.

Mark:  So let me ask you the same questions I’d ask anyone who work in seminars.  When you read a Bible story can you picture your living room couch?

Sid:  Right now?

Mark:  Yeah, can you picture your living room couch?

Sid:  I can picture it very well.

Mark:  Okay, can you picture a Bible story when you read it?

Sid:  I can, but I usually don’t.

Mark:  Okay, but at least you can because some people will say no to both of those questions.  And those that say no are the ones that cut off vision entirely and that usually because they have a traumatic scene that they don’t want to see and so they said, “No more vision.”  So for those people we have to get them to repent for that decision and say “God I do want to see.”

Sid:  Well, the people that are listening right now that are like that why don’t you lead them in a prayer of repentance.

Mark:  Alright, so let’s just pray this.  “Lord Jesus we come humbly before Your throne and Father we thank you that you’ve chosen to fill the eyes of our heart with a Godly stream of dream and vision.  And Lord we realize today that we’ve not opened our eyes and we’ve not looked for vision and some of us have even been afraid to look for vision because of the pain that is in the pictures that we see.  And some of us have made decision Lord that say I don’t want to see any more.  So Father today we are repenting, we’re coming to You and repenting saying God I am sorry for making that decision to say no more vision.  I’m sorry for turning off the eyes of my heart or even being afraid to use the eyes of my heart because I thought it was New Age or whatever.  And Lord I’m sorry for living in fear and I choose now from this day forward to present the eyes of my heart to You and I ask you to heal them.  And right now, lay your hand on your hands if you will and right now as you lay your hands upon your eyes I pray the anointing of the Holy Spirit to flow through your hands into your eyes and I speak healing to the eyes of this heart right now.  I speak to those muscles that have atrophied and died I say, “Come alive right now in the Name of Jesus Christ come alive and see into the Spirit realm, come alive and see into the Spirit realm that which God wants to show you.”  And Lore, I ask that you would cause the scales to fall from these eyes and I ask that as they lift there eyes up to you that they would see the light of Almighty God and the throne room of God and the King on the throne and that there eyes would be filled with light and splendor of Almighty God in Jesus Name, I speak that forth in Jesus Name.  Lift up your eyes and look and just receive, just receive that which you see and honor those pictures that light upon your mind.  Thank you Father for Your healing Power upon us in Jesus Name.

Sid:  And I actually as you were praying that prayer had a vision of people’s ears opening up.  Now I would have pictured, I would have thought a vision of their eyes opening up but I had a vision of their ears opening up.

Mark:  Well, I think we could celebrate a couple things.  Well first of all God is free to do anything He wants, alright so whatever He shows us in a vision we honor so that’s fine; and secondly, you had a vision.  That’s awesome because I heard you teach earlier, say earlier in one of your radio broadcasts that vision wasn’t your strong point; hearing God’s voice was your stronger point.

Sid:  Well, that’s true but now that I know that this is God’s will for me to have a steady stream of visions I don’t want to settle for anything short of that.

Mark:  So tell me, what did that vision…now when you saw that picture of Jesus opening up peoples ears, what was it a spontaneous flowing picture that lit up on your mind, is that what it was?

Sid:  We could call it that except it was shorter it wasn’t seeing it was just a snap, what I would call a snap vision.

Mark:  A snap shot, okay was it a screen inside or your mind? Now when you saw that vision of Jesus opening up people’s ears what was it a spontaneous flowing picture was that what it was?

Sid:  We could call it that, except it was shorter.  It wasn’t seeing it; it was just a snap, what I would call a snap vision.

Mark:  A snap shot, okay was it on a screen inside your mind?

Sid:  Yes.

Mark:  Okay, it was on a screen upon your mind and it appeared spontaneously.

Sid:  That’s correct; obviously I wasn’t looking for it because as I said if I was looking for something it would have been having to do with eyes, not ears.

Mark:  Well this is exciting because this is exactly the way vision appears to me and to everyone else who begins to look.  Its pictures that light upon your mind spontaneously that you did not paint yourself they come with a life of their own and you honor them as coming from God and you say “Yes Lord and then you walk with them and run with them.”  And you didn’t have to fall down, you didn’t get terribly emotional, but yet you saw a vision.

Sid:  Now according to what I’ve read, many people when this starts the first time they start crying, why?

Mark:  Well because your tapping into the spirit world and the language of heart, you know when God touches the heart it brings tears because tears are the language of the heart and your receiving Devine revelation from God into your heart and your heart is just being touched by God and it touches and moves you so deeply and all of us so deeply that it brings tears to their eyes.  And when I have people stand and read their journaling on weekend seminars a lot of times their crying.  It’s not because the God said anything more than, I love you and I cherish you and your beautiful, it’s I mean they knew that from the Bible, but God spoke it directly to their heart and they broke down in tears as they shared that with us.

Sid:  Now most of the messages that are journaled are they general like that, beautiful from the Bible, but general or can they get very specific?

Mark:  They can become more specific, but “Now abide these three:  faith, hope and love.” 1^st Corinthians 13:13 and prophecy can so those are general; building faith, building hope, building love.  That’s the fuel of our spirit we’re designed to run in there and journaling and the voice of God will build faith, hope and love.  And also prophesy 1 Corinthians 14:3 says “Prophesy comes for edification which is to build you up; exhortation which is to encourage you along a path of action and comfort which is to console you.  So the three categories for prophecy, none of them are predictive guidance in the New Testament, they are to build you up; edification, exhortation.  Exhortation for me is “Mark love your wife, Mark don’t be so judgmental, Mark trust me,” I mean that’s all exhortation and I got a lot of that.  Oh the first year God told me fifty times, love my wife, He told me fifty times, will you please trust me.

Sid:  Did it make your marriage better?

Mark:  My wife said, “When I learned to journal her marriage improved greatly,” ha-ha.

Sid:  Ha-ha, oh look times slipping away.

Sid:  We want everyone that is a true believer not to have a big fuzzy mystery about where the United States of America is at this moment; where we are at relationship to end times.  If you understand the pattern of ancient Israel and even the dates and times; if you only could understand that and have a great understanding of the Old Covenant and have a prophetic revelation you could clearly see where we’re at.  And that’s why I’m so excited to be interviewing my friend Rabbi Jonathan Cahn because as a Messianic Jewish Rabbi he has this insight.  He was on the ground at 9/11 to examine right after it happened.  He lived in Jersey, right a few minutes away and it all was put together for him.  I have personally Jonathan I have never heard this revelation before it came out of your mouth; I assume you haven’t either.

Jonathan:  No, no!

Sid: Now, I’ve known you for years and you have a prophetic understanding of the scriptures, but I have to think everything you ever done was for this moment right now.

Jonathan:  Well, I think well, I thing that there is something too.  I don’t believe I just came up with something, you’ve asked me this and you know and it’s interesting because, you know the puzzle pieces just started coming it was being lead;  I mean I didn’t even know it was all going to come together.  It was like I was being led on a path on a mystery that ended up whoa at the end.  I had no idea; I have no question that that’s part of that is the thing here.  And this is you know really, you’ve for years was a new believer spoke about sounding the trumpet and the trumpet means a thing here.  And that this is really you know you’ve for years; I mean when I was a new believer you spoke about sounding the trumpet and the trumpet means a number of things.  One of them is the alarm and a watchman and that’s one of the things that we are doing and I have no question this is what we are appointed to do.

Sid:  You know I’ll tell you what the presence of God is so strong in this studio right now because of what Jonathan did yesterday is he showed there were warnings to Israel before destruction and it was; destruction came.  And he calls these harbingers or warnings and there are nine of them.  And you talked about one yesterday; how it was the stone that was at 9/11 and the ceremony and the defiant attitude of Israel; that same thing happened right in New York City with, was it the governor of New York?  What was his statement?

Jonathan:  The Governor of Kentucky and the Governor of New Jersey was there, the Major of New York was there and they were all there.

Sid:  And tell me one of them; their statement.

Jonathan:  Ones up; they basically they said that, you know that “This is the stone, I’m paraphrasing is a manifestation of our defiance, American defiance, “We’re going to come back stronger than ever.”  Which is exactly what Isaiah 9:10 is all about; exactly what the constitution…

Sid:  What Israel did?

Jonathan:  Yes, yes in ancient times; instead of repenting, after the calamity they get harder and this is one of the signs; and there is nine of them.

Sid:  Alright, well tell me a couple more signs.

Jonathan:  Okay, the attack happens in ancient Israel and as in it it’s happening the Assyrians who invade the land of ancient of Israel, the warning from God they cut down the trees of Israel and they cut down one specifically one specific tree, which is the sycamore.  So Isaiah opens up on it and he says the people are saying, “The sycamores have fallen.”  Okay, the next harbinger of judgment is a sycamore tree has to fall or be struck down; it has to be linked to this breach of the nation’s borders.  It has to somehow for this to appear in America it has to be linked to somehow 9/11 or linked in some way to ground zero. But here’s the problem, the tree of Isaiah 9:10, that ancient harbinger doesn’t naturally grow in New York; it can’t even survive in the North East.  And the sycamore in Hebrew is called the schaucm; it can’t survive the winters.  So this harbinger is pretty would look pretty much impossible to be fulfilled.  Beyond that the fields of Israel, that’s where these fields grew, and in you know New York City, you know lower Manhattan financial district, that’s not exactly conducive to trees.  So it would seem pretty impossible, but something strange happened.  On September 11, 2011; as the last or the North Tower was falling to the ground; it hurls and object into the air.  The force of that object and the cataclysm strikes a nearby object at the corner of ground zero.  That object, that struck is a tree; on 9/11 the tower strikes a tree; sends it crashing to the earth; what kind of a tree is it?  It’s a sycamore; it’s the sycamore tree; the same thing that is spoken of in Isaiah, the sixth harbinger.  But you might say, “Wait a second you said the Hebrew doesn’t grow you know in New York.”

Sid:  That’s what I was thinking, how did that happen?

Jonathan:  It doesn’t, but the American or English version does; so the ancient harbinger of judgment is translated into the appropriate land; it is the sycamore.  So the sycamore, the same sign to America; the American sycamore is manifested at the corner of ground zero.  It’s amazing what happened.  The sycamore, what they did they didn’t realize what they were doing, and that’s the pattern you see throughout this.  It is like eerie; they without realizing they transform this fallen sycamore into a symbol; they call it the sycamore of ground zero.   They lift it up, they move it, and they put it on display as a symbol and New Yorkers gather around the fallen sycamore.  They make it into a sign not realizing that it already is a Biblical sign, but not of you know encouragement, but it’s a sign of warning that is given to a nation heading for judgment.  It is interesting that in Isaiah 9:10 you actually see two objects that are struck; we have one is that the bricks are fallen, they sycamore have fallen as well.  Well, interesting if you looked in that cut off fallen sycamore tree on display the roots are wrapped around an object and the object is a brick; the actually sycamore and the brick together on display.

Sid:  The two ingredients in Isaiah 9:10.

Jonathan:  Exactly, exactly and nobody realized.  The amazing thing that we’re going to see is that it is just like reenacting an ancient drama of judgment.  And then; but that doesn’t stop there; the ancient prophecy says; “The sycamores have been cut down, but we will plant cedars in their place.”  The same thing the same principal; they you think, “You are going to humble us God, we’re going to come back stronger tree; the sycamore is weak; we are going to come back with a stronger tree and it’s going to be a symbol of our National Resurgence.”  So something else has to happen; it’s again; you know it’s the spirit of defiance and the thing is that, “We will plant cedars.”  So what has to happen for now the seventh harbinger is at, well this is what they do; the ancient Israel clears out the fallen sycamores and they plant cedars and they focus their vows of defiance on the cedar; it’s a symbol of their strength.  So now here’s the thing, the seventh harbinger is the cedar tree, but in Hebrew it doesn’t say that, it says “The ares tree.”  Which is not only a cedar, but it refers most accurately to a evergreen to coniferest or a conifer a comb bearing.  And most specifically is pin pointed as the pinachia tree; which is probably the most accurate way of translating that word.  It includes the cedar, but it’s called the pinachia tree.  Now the seventh harbinger has to be this for that to manifest in America this fallen sycamore has to be removed and another tree has to be planted in its place and it has to be this specific tree.  Now this would also seem nearly impossible because again I mean, you know New York is not known for its tree planting, at least outside of Central Park, but could this happen?  And you think, you know you if you had a sycamore falling you would probably replace it with a new sycamore, but it happened.  It happened on November 2003, the fallen sycamore of ground zero has been removed and now at the corner of ground zero.  Now an object appears in the sky; it’s lowered on a crane; the object is a tree; it’s lowered into the exact spot where the fallen sycamore had stood.  Now and it’s not a sycamore, it’s a different tree.  What kind of tree?  It’s a conifer, just as in Isaiah 9:10, it’s an evergreen and not only that it’s a specifically a pinachia tree the precise definition of Isaiah 9:10; “We will replace the sycamore with this tree.  It was actually the sister tree of the cedar of Lebanon; the seventh harbinger replaces the sixth harbinger and like with the stone; as with the stone they have the ceremony around the tree and there they transform the tree into a symbol of defiance.  They said “It represents the abominable nature of our hope.”  But the seventh harbinger is fulfilled;  they reenact the ancient mystery of judgment specifically replacing the exact tree, they don’t know what they’re doing, they don’t know why they are doing it, but  the ancient harbinger has to be manifest.  They’re saying without realizing it they’re reenacting that we are going to come back stronger than ever; God is saying, “No, if you don’t turn back to me you are going to fall.”

Sid:  At what point, I’m just kind of curious, looking back, at what point did you see these patterns happening and you said, “No, no, this is more than a coincidence?  Was it the first harbinger, the second, the third?  When did you realize that God was giving a message that you had to shofar blast around the world?

Jonathan:  I well when 9/11 happened, you know I knew this was something major and I didn’t even realize it the time when I was going to look; I was in prayer and I actually got Isaiah 9 without realizing a thing; I only realized it back after the fact.  I knew that this was a serious, that this was a warning from God and there was much that started at that time.  But then I started seeing the overall, and then I was walking the ground of ground zero as we were talking right on the corner, and then see that’s; when I first see that tree; that cut down tree and something says; “There is something here.” And I didn’t realize it; I look up sycamore and all of a sudden I start seeing the connection and actually the fallen sycamore is a sign in the Bible of judgment.  And then it starts, and it keeps on folding and unfolding and you know I realize that something happened; I didn’t realize the full thing.  In fact, you know the next time when we talk it’s going to go into something that just blew me away when I saw it; I had no idea, but clearly the reading was there.  And I’ll tell you something you know of course, a great man, David Wilkerson, he didn’t go through all these things and realize it, but the scripture that he thought at the time of 9/11 was in Isaiah was the warning to Israel when a first strike of judgment comes, same thing.  He didn’t realize the details, but he was led, you know the Spirit was leading that this is the word.

Sid:  Well, Mishpochah consider that this bisharet moment, that means it’s a destiny moment, it’s a meant to be moment in your life; because as you understand this ancient prophecy and how it played out with Israel, you’re going to have your eyes opened and you’re going to be prepared for what is coming.  And I have to tell you that no matter what happens to America if you are walking a holy life before God; standing on His promises a thousand may fall at your left hand; ten thousand at your right; but nothing will come near you; you’re going to be walking in supernatural protection.  But this is the prophetic mentoring of understanding the times and seasons.  We’ve never had this revelation before that’s being presented to you right now.