Sid: I have on the telephone Shirley Smith I’m speaking to her at her home in North Little Rock, Arkansas. We found out on the last few days that she was diagnosed with third stage ovarian cancer. Her abdomen was filled with malignant tumors 6 months to live nothing medical science could do and God spoke to her and said “Shirley if you’ll do these things I’ll heal you.
You must stand in faith for your healing.
You must rebuild your body and your immune system with proper nutrition
You must reconcile with your son-in-law if you want to live.
And then she was given a mandate to daily participate in communion. And Shirley you went to your friend’s house who was saturating you in prayer and when you got there she told you something not knowing what God had told you the day before. What did she say?
Shirley: Well when I arrived at Sister Gwen’s house the first thing she did was offer me the holy communion and she had never done that before and I’d been in her home many times and she’d been in mine and we just never thought to take communion but she did. She said “Shirley I want to serve you communion.” And I thought that oh this looks like a confirmation coming here and so she did. And then she took the table and she set it beside the bedroom door and she said “Now honey I’m going to put this here and you can take communion daily if you want to.” That confirmed my instruction from the Lord.
Sid: You told me that you actually… that the Lord allowed you to look into the invisible world and see exactly what you were dealing with that was manifesting itself as cancer tell me what you saw.
Shirley: Right in yesterday’s testimony I was talking about the 3 things that God said. And when He told me that I would settle my fate you know for this healing. Well I’m thinking “Gosh you know” I said “Lord let’s reason this out because You know my faith level I know how to fight but my faith level Lord I don’t think it’s high enough to fight in that realm of cancer.” And the Lord said to me I …this is so beautiful it was music to my ears “I will accept your faith level where it is if you will just use it and I said “Okay I can do that.” And then I further apologized I said “I’m just so sorry that I don’t have big faith for cancer.” And you know we think that cancer is a fatal thing and the Lord responded to me and His voice came like thunder in my ear and He said to me “Cancer is not big I am big!” And I went “Uh.” Just the reality hit me that no cancer is not big God is bigger” and when I saw in a vision or when I saw in the realm of the spirit I saw this monstrous thing in front of me just like over me and it hit when the Lord said that it hit the floor. And when it did I put my foot on it and I said “You are under my feet and I trample and I tread on you in the name of the Lord and you stay under my feet.” And that was a spirit of fear that had told me in my mind so many hours and days here. And that’s what I saw in the realm of the spirit. So when I was at Sister Gwen she confirmed that I was going to daily communion. You know when I was upset again there was areas in my life that God had not deeply dealt with yet so I was fearful of communion. But I loved the Lord with all of my heart and it’s always my desire to please Him so I just said “Lord I’m just going to step over my struggle with fear here to obey you” and so I did. And I met, and oh it was so beautiful just a few weeks later the miracle began to unfold. And the Holy Spirit and truth He is the Spirit of truth. Truth met me daily at the communion table and once again the Lord and I began to come into an intimate relationship on daily basis. And I was brought face to face with my healer and my revealer. And one day the Lord asked me a question and He said “Are you ready to allow me to go into the rooms of your heart where I’ve never been, the rooms that you have never given me entrance to. And a different truth at that point had begun to dawn on me. And I began to realize that He wanted to heal me emotionally as well as physically so I just quickly whispered “Yes Lord let’s go in.” I embraced it and you know I know the potter’s wheel I’ve been on the potter’s wheel many times through the years and I’ve learned to trust His hand. Brother Sid I know that God is always on my side and whatever He works in my heart and in my life is always for good and my flesh will scream many times in the shaping and breaking and the remolding but my spirit is always edified my soul is always released. And so I knew I was on the Potter’s wheel so you know I just embraced that and I said “Lord do Your work in me.” And the Lord began to speak to me and you have legal doors in your life and I’ve covered you with grace and mercy many times but now Satan has come to take your life and His hands have been tied now because of my open doors in my life. Because when we refuse to forgive it ties the hands of God Matthew 18:37 declares this. And so I knew that I really had to yield completely everything to the Lord. And then while He was talking to me He brought back to me about the rooms of my heart that He had not had entrance into and I knew what He was talking about. And I want to share a vision here about the rooms of my heart. I sat daily for 3 months going through actually 5 total but 3 really intense going through this daily communion. And confession and repentance and healing but He said to me “I want to go into those rooms.” And so here was the vision “About 4 years before this attack of cancer hit me I was in intercession and prayer and I went into a vision and in the vision Holy Spirit said to me “I’m going to take you on a tour through your spiritual house.” And I said “Well okay.” And in the vision we began to walk through the house and He took me in rooms that had this exquisitely ornate furniture it was just carved so beautiful of finest of woods like mahogany and pecan and you know oak and ebony and I was just very impressed with all that I saw and I said “Oh Lord that is just so beautiful.” And so we went through many rooms like this and then He took me into a room and there was a chair that had been partially carved and the back was carved and the arm was carved along the side was carved and the chisel and the hammer lay on the seat and I looked at the seat and I looked at that and I went well you know Lord you didn’t finish it what happened You didn’t finish carving this? And the Lord just responded to me and said “You never allowed me to finish that you drew back from Me.” And I went “I don’t understand.” And the Lord said “These carvings that you see on this wood you know we’re broken vessels this carving you see on this furniture here is My deep dealings in your life. My dealings meaning My corrections, My instructions My breaking, My molding you by changing your life changing your heart, changing your motives, changing your ministry these are deep deep dealings where I work deeply in your heart to put My nature in you.” Now I went “Okay wonderful.” So we went down the hallway and we went past some of these doors in these rooms and I said I’m waiting for Him to go in and He said “No.” And I said “What’s in that room?” And the Lord said “I’ve never been in there you haven’t allowed Me to go in there.” And I said “Okay and we walked down the hallway and there was another door and I’m waiting for Him to go in and He didn’t go in and I said “Well what’s in this room?” And He said “I’ve never been in there I haven’t been in this one either you have never allowed Me to go in this room.” And I said “Okay and so we walked on down the hallway and we came to this huge room an awesome room like a big ballroom with like marble or onyx floor. And in this room if I can describe this where you can comprehend this is maybe you’ve had an experience like this I don’t know but I saw the shekinah glory of God and I’ve seen this many times but and it’s always like a white iridescent mist and it had a beams of light gold and silver flashing through it. And I could see the forms of people in this glory cloud or this shekinah glory or in this mist. I couldn’t tell you know I couldn’t recognize anybody by the face but I could see that there were many in this and I said “Now Lord what’s going on here and what is this?” And the Lord said “This is my Glory and I’m going to bring you into that.” And that was the end of the vision. So I realized and God began to say to my “You know I’m going to change you.” And He said to me “When I’m finished with you I’m going to bring you into this glory.” And that’s what the Lord did and so it was so wonderful I said “Okay Lord let’s go into those rooms because I desired to walk into the glory.” And so the Lord began to open the doors of these rooms and I knew that behind those doors lay a lot of pain and a lot of hurt.
Sid: You had told me that you were raised in a house that had a lot of abuse.
Shirley: Right, right and so I knew I mean I had dealt with a lot of that I really had through the years but there were roots this is important this is a key. We can deal with a tree we can cut the limbs off we can even cut the trunk off but if you don’t get the roots out it will grow back. And actually that’s what had happened to me I had cut down many things I had taken many things out of my life but I never got to the roots and the root of these was abuse and rejection and hurts that had been very deep in my heart. And behind these doors the image roots were many people that included family, it includes friends other Christians brothers and sisters. And even some ministers and pastors where I had been wounded deeply. And so many things had really been collected over the years and they had just stayed buried you know deep in my heart. And I have to make a confession here and I think it’s important for your listeners and for others that often maybe listening as in ministry, listen to my testimony I want to say I know that I’m not the only one guilty of this but I had a high profile in ministry most of my life. I came in there early in my early 20’s and God’s used me in many many I wore many hats. He’s used me in many different types of ministry and I’ve always had a high profile with TV and radio and etcetera and because of this I just refused to let anybody know that I had these problems you know deep in my heart and in my life. And actually I had a religious pride that held me…
Sid: Hold that thought Mishpochah we’re out of time…
Sid: I have on the telephone I’m speaking to her at her home in North Little Rock, Arkansas Shirley Smith. Shirley and her husband were missionaries they came back in June of 1995 from the jungles of South America. And she had her annual checkup and the surgeon found that she had 3rd stage ovarian cancer. Her abdomen was filled with malignant tumors and there was nothing medical science could do. She had 6 months to live, 17 people in her family had died from cancer already. What about fear Shirley?
Shirley: Okay that’s a good question and I sure would love to give an answer because I like people to take courage of this. Number 1 let me just say this, 2nd Timothy 1:7 says For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but power love and a sound mind.” In that verse he calls fear a spirit because he says “spirit of fear.” We know that we have authority in the name and dominion over spirits. We know that He has given us this power to tread on scorpions, adders, serpents, and that nothing of the enemy shall harm us. So it’s a spirit…
Sid: But Shirley it’s one thing to know that, it’s also one thing to proclaim that or preach it, but it’s another thing when it’s happening to you.
Shirley: Right it was happening to me I knew the scripture, I’ve acted on the scripture in the past many times in other situations I knew it worked so it was a weapon that I had. So… but I was in a weakened condition because of the devastation of my body and my mind this is why I was having to exert so much effort even to fight that very spirit. So this is how I fought it, the Holy Spirit at this time began to really speak to my heart and He said to me “You are going through the valley of the shadow of death.” He cautioned me in Proverbs 13:3 He gave me this scripture and said “Watch the words of your mouth.” “For he that keepeth the words of his mouth keepeth his life, but he that opens wide his lips shall have destruction.” And I knew that was a serious scripture He had given me and fully began to realize then what I had really is very serious and I had to be very careful about my words. Then He gave me Psalms 118 verse 17 and 18 to fight with which says: “I shall live and not die and declare the works of the Lord. He has chastened me sore but he has not given me over to death.” So I would fight with… was battling in the arena of my mind now not in my spirit it was in my mind. I knew that Satan was coming for my words because God had given me this scripture to watch the words of my mouth so I knew he was coming for my words just like an angel came to Daniel, over in the book of Daniel. He said “The first day that you made supplication we heard you and now I have come for your words the Prince of Persia withstood me.” So I knew God was hearing me and I knew that I had to call upon the power of the angels to help put this thing through, my prayers through. So I’ve had many angel experiences also in the past and I’ve seen them work for me, I’ve seen them protect me, and I just know it works. So I begin to declare Isaiah 54:17 “That no weapon formed against me shall prosper,” none! “That this is the inheritance of the saints and my righteousness is of Him.” So I said “Lord I need you to help me now to put a guard over our gate, over my mouth.” When my body would jerk and convulse at the pain of my bed, my emotions of course would weaken and waiver but my faith never did. I still stood strong and I watched the word, it would be on the tip of my tongue the wrong thing I went “eh eh.!” I won’t say it, I won’t say it.
Sid: And about that time you received an invitation from a woman by the name of Gwen Shaw who is the founder of the End Time Handmaidens a women’s organization. She thought that if you went to her house she could really saturate you with prayer which was a wonderful thing and just before you got to here house God told you do 3 things.
Shirley: Hmm hm. Okay there was a lot that took place before I got to her house because I had a very powerful encounter with my oncologist. They called me back from the doctor’s office and they said “We want you to come in for your second treatment of chemo.” I said to her “I am not coming in for a second treatment, the first one almost killed me. I’ve already called the hospital and cancelled , I’ve called… cancelled my bed, cancelled the other doctor that’s going to administrate that” and she was very upset with me. She said “Well you’ll have to come in and speak with the oncologist about this.” I said “Wonderful give me an appointment with him.” So I went in and I began to speak with this doctor and the first thing… I knew this man was a very aggressive man and that he could manipulate me, try to manipulate me with fear and I hate that spirit. I was already warned with that thing so my daughter went with me. We prayed in his office before he ever came in while we were waiting against this type of thing. So the first thing he said when he came in he was very warm and very friendly and he said “Well how have you been? I want to tell you I just came from Mayo Clinic and we have discussed ovarian cancer there and the heads, the big heads Shirley, the big heads have said that the treatment, the best treatment for ovarian cancer is exactly what I gave you. Now listen Shirley the big heads said this.” Now what I’m proceeding this thing is the medical gods. He says “The big heads say that I have given you the best treatment” and I said “Yes perhaps you did and it almost killed me. I laid at deaths door for 9 days while you were gone to your meeting and your associate put me back in the hospital.” He went “Oh, oh, oh” when I listened “Shirley that’s just part of it, that’s just part of the treatment.” Then he said “You’re going to have to take this second treatment” he said “I’m going to give you a lighter dose and I’m going to give you a second treatment” and I said “No you’re not. I’m not taking another treatment.” He became very angry with me and he put his hand on his hip and he raised his voice and he pointed his finger at me and he said “Listen to me. Listen to me Shirley! If you don’t take this chemo you’re going to die!” Well you know maybe my flesh rose up these were fighting words to me. I said “Wait, wait, wait! Let me explain to you, you cannot scare me with death and let me explain to you why, but I want to ask you one question first. Did you believe that the Bible is the word of God and it is true? First do you believe that?” He thought a minute and he hesitated and he went “Yes, yes I do.” I said “Okay I just want to establish you if we are getting here” and I said I want to ask you a question now I said “I really want to tell you something.” I said “Let me give you a scripture of where my stand is on death.” I said “The Bible says ‘That precious in the eyes of the Lord is the death of His saints.’ And the Bible says ‘That absence from the body is present with the Lord.’ That means I step out of this body into my glorified body.” He went “Wait a minute” I said “No you wait I’m not finished. The Bible says that ‘It is appointed unto man once to die then after that the judgment.’ Now listen only God knows the appointed time because it’s appointed unto man once to die, it is an appointed time and you are not God and you cannot tell me I have 6 months because you don’t know that. Only God knows my appointed time.” He started to speak and I went “Wait I’m not finished I’m going to give you another scripture. The Bible says ‘That I am going to live and not die and declare the works of the Lord. He has chastened me sore but He has not given me over unto death.’”
Sid: Shirley you are the devil’s worst nightmare he’s getting nowhere with you.
Shirley: Absolutely. Oh the Spirit of the Lord took over in me at that moment. Those words…and scripture just flowed out of me. He was speechless and I said “Wait I want to tell you, listen to me. Listen to me! Bottom line I don’t know what you’re doing but I know what I’m doing. ‘I am going to live and not die and declare the works of the Lord,’ and let me add my part to this doctor I’m going to return to the nations where God has called me to teach His word. Listen to me don’t you ever ever let those words of death come out of your mouth again! Don’t you ever speak death over me again! You speak life to me!” I left his office and I’ve not seen him since.”
Sid: (Chuckling) Okay the Lord instructed you 3 things that you had to do.
Shirley: Right, okay Sister Gwen calls and now my confrontation with the doctor is over and I’ve gone to Sister Gwen’s house. Sister Gwen she’s my spiritual missionary mom for many years and God has called me to her many times and she’s always impacted my life and I’m thinking this is one more time that God is giving me another divine appointment and God’s going to change some things in my life. So when I got there she knew nothing about my mandates and my commandments. Before I went, the night before I went I was in prayer and I began to pray and I said “Lord you know I just want to please You. I know that my life is Your’s and I just want to please You and so You tell me what to do.” So this is what I heard Him say, audibly God spoke this to me, there’s been a few time in my life that God has spoken audibly and this is one of those times. This is during night time battle and I heard the voice of the Lord in an audible form and He said “If you want to leave you have to reconcile with your son-in-law.” I thought about that and He said I’m going to give you 3 commandments:
You have to reconcile with your son-in-law
You have to change your diet and rebuild your body with nutrition
You have to stand on your faith
I’m giving you a mandate to come to the communion table
So to go back and explain about each one of those things was God said to me “You have to reconcile your son-in-law” I thought “Oh Lord I have tried that many times and it has never worked, I never got any response from him.” I felt like “Lord that’s like a death sentence itself because he has refused to reconcile. The Lord said to me “IF YOU WANT TO LIVE YOU RECONCILE!” I said “Okay Lord I have to believe that You’re going to work in his heart…
Sid: We’re out of time. Hold that thought
Sid: But I’ve got to repeat that sentence again. God said to Shirley “If you want to live you must reconcile.” Powerful words
SID: Hello Sid Roth here with Pastor Kynan Bridges. And in the last segment we were talking about the Passover. And Yeshua, Jesus is the Passover lamb. But the power of the lamb in Passover was so powerful that a slave nation went into the wilderness for 40 years. They should have been sick, they should have been dying, they should have had every disease known to man. Over a million people, children, elderly people, not one feeble among them. And that was just the Passover lamb was a shadow of the Passover lamb, Yeshua, Jesus the Messiah. Tell me about the substance. I love the shadow, but we have a better covenant with substance. Tell me about that.
KYNAN: Amen. Actually Hebrews talks about the fact that we have a better covenant built upon better promises. And in First Corinthians, Chapter 11, Paul the Apostle highlights the communion, and he talks about how Jesus, right before his crucifixion, he says, “This is my body which is broken for you. This do in remembrance of me. This is the new covenant shed in my blood. This do as often and drink it in remembrance of me.” So what we begin to see, Sid, is that Jesus in fact is our Passover lamb. He has become the send-off frame for all of God’s people. And what happens is when we begin to understand this, we understand that God entered into a blood covenant with us with the shed blood of Jesus Christ. As a matter of fact, you’ll see, the Bible says in Isaiah 53, and also highlights in First Peter 2:24, that he bore our sins and carried our diseases. So in fact, the sin and the disease that were curses from Adam were placed on Jesus, and they were abolished, which means that when Jesus was on the cross six and a half hours that was being done for us. So now you and I, Sid, have a legal right to walk in Divine health. We have a legal right to speak to the mountain of cancer. We have a legal right to speak to the mountain of disease and infirmity and it must obey our voice because of Jesus, Lamb of God.
SID: Alright. Give me an example, MS, the symptoms started coming on you. How did you even know they were symptoms of MS?
KYNAN: I knew they were symptoms because I have family members with multiple sclerosis. And actually, a family member contacted me and they began to tell me that they were diagnosed with MS. Immediately after their diagnosis, Sid, I began to experience symptoms in myself. I would lose feeling in my legs for several weeks. I would lose balance. I would have what would be considered MS attacks. And this went on for several weeks. And I began to pray. And as I was praying, Sid, the Holy Spirit spoke to me one day and reminded me of Second Corinthians 5:21. It said that, “He was made to be sin for us who knew no sin that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.” And the Holy Spirit said, “I want you to stop asking me to heal you because I’ve already done that. What I want you to do, I want you to thank me for perfect health.” So what I began to do, I began to thank God. I would take the Word like medicine, like people take pain pills. I would actually ingest the Word like medicine. Because the Bible says in Psalms, “He sent His Word and healed them of all their destruction.” So we can actually eat the Word of God, as Jesus talked about Luke 4, that “Man should not live by bread alone, but by every Word of God.” So when we meditate upon the Word, Sid, we’re actually feeding our spirit man and the life of God is being manifested. And I did just that, Sid. And as I began to do that the symptoms disappeared and they never came back again.
SID: So they were lies. They were literally illegal.
KYNAN: They were illegal. They did not have a legal right to be in my body. As a matter of fact, when we talk about Passover or communion, my wife was diagnosed with diabetes, and this was very frustrating for her. And I began to pray with her and everything. And we took the communion. And as we took communion, within a few, maybe days or maybe a week or so, we went back to the doctor and the doctor told her that you do not have diabetes. That’s the power.
SID: Okay. Someone knows what you just said, prayed and nothing happens. What would you tell them?
KYNAN: Well you know, it’s very interesting because I have seen this experience even in my own life, Sid. Remember, I talked about that door of revelation, and Jesus said in Revelation 3:8, that “You have kept my word.” Kept my word. As a matter of fact, when the Bible talks about, in Mark 11:23, and says, “You shall not doubt in your heart,” well really, doubt is a belief system. It’s more than just an emotion. It’s a way of thinking that contradicts the Word of God. And so what happens is you and I have to train our spirit man to where there are no other alternatives to the Word of God. And that happens when we internalize the Word, and the Word is more than just a principle or something that we mentally ascend to.
SID: You talk about, you hear it inside of you, not what you feel, sense, smell or taste.
SID: Explain that.
KYNAN: Well the church has come to a place where the Word of God actually has to become our reality. It has to become what’s real to us. When sickness comes to me I already know because I trained my spirit that sickness does not belong.
SID: I’ll tell you what. Right now there are people that are fighting sickness. I want you to pray for them at this moment.
KYNAN: Father, in Jesus’ name, Lord, I thank you for your children. Lord, I thank you that right now in the name of Jesus that you are quickening someone right now. You are quickening your children and you are giving them the gift of faith. Your Word declares that faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word. God, I release faith to your children now and I speak life to them now. I command cancer to die in Jesus’ name. I command autoimmune disorders to cease. That someone even with a retina detachment, it’s being reattached right now by the power of the Holy Spirit. I declare this Jesus’ name based on the shed blood of Yeshua, right now.
SID: You know, there is a scripture that is coming to me that actually you taught on: “And you shall know the truth.” And the truth is an idiom for intimacy with God. Know, the word “know”, Adam knew Eve. Adam had intimacy with Eve. You shall know the truth. You shall have intimacy with the truth. What is truth? God says, “My Word is truth.” You shall have intimacy with the truth. The Word of God, and the Word of God will make you free. I want to be free in spirit, soul and body. Start by making the Word of God, Jesus, your Lord. Repent of your sins and ask him to live inside of you and begin to heed the Word and have such intimacy that just like Kynan you’ll hear the Word inside of you, not the things that are external, that are tempering. You’ll have the eternal inside of you. That’s what you need.
SID: Now Rich Vera had six hours in Heaven. But he says, although it was six hours, there’s no time in Heaven. And so it was unlimited teaching was downloaded into his spirit. Tell me about what happened when you went to Heaven.
RICH: You know, I was grilling fish in Hawaii with friends and I passed out. And so instantly when I fell to the ground I was taken out of my body and it was right in the presence of the Lord. Now I always have the idea when I see Jesus and when I jump on him, kiss and love him. But because I wasn’t living up to his expectations to what I knew was best, there was a sense of failure on the inside. There was a sense of so much to do for God. I’m calling God. I’m here. I’m wasting my time being selfish allowing bitterness and what people did to me, keep me away from the living God. I spent what it seemed to me 45 minutes or more begging the Lord for his mercy. I felt that at any time something could open and I would go right to Hell. And I begged the Lord from my whole being asking, “Lord have mercy. Please send me back. And if you send me back I’ll do anything you want me to do. I’ll preach for you. I’ll live my life for you.” Was about a time when begging with such a force that I heard at a distance, way at a distance that the sound of the ambulance pulling over to the house. And I began to see way down there, opening the door, coming out, coming down the driveway. And when I saw them I opened my eyes back on the backyard. And I told my friends, “This is not a sickness.” I said, “I’m not dying.” I said, “This is a visitation from God.” They had no idea what I was talking about. They told the paramedics that I was okay, that it was a visitation from God. I don’t know how they took it. So when they were gone, I told them, “Pull me in the house,” because I was in the backyard. Neighbors heard me screaming. They were coming out the windows. They dragged me in the house, threw me on the couch. The moment I hit the couch I was taken up my body again, and this time I was in the presence of the Lord. But I wasn’t begging for mercy. Now I knew that the Lord gave me a chance. I knew that the Lord allowed me to return, and that I wasn’t going to die and go to Hell. Now walking with the Lord, the funny thing is my mind that I have down here, it works perfectly up there. So I remember everything down here and I always say if I see Jesus, I’m going to ask him every question I can ask. I’m going throw a thousand questions.
SID: How would you like to ask Jesus some questions? I have an idea you would. I have an idea you would, too.
RICH: And I began to ask him questions. I said, “God, tell me about the healing ministry and the prophetic ministry, and the working of miracles.” Because these are the gifts that God has given me as a minister. And the Lord answer my questions. And I go, “Lord, am I going to raise the dead? What’s going to be this? Am I going to preach? How big is going to be my audience?” And the Lord was not paying attention. So I got frustrated and I said, “Fine.” And I thought to myself, somehow, I’m going to get the answer from you. And the Lord says, “I want you to see something and meet some people.” And He’s walking me down, and suddenly the Lord, before He walks me down, He looks at me and says, “Why did you allow what people said about you and things that happened, and the accusations, how mean people, why did you let this turn you away from me? Don’t you know that I’m the one.” And he took me back since I was little boy, incidents that in my life that He was with me and I had no idea. Now when the Lord is telling me this, I’m listening to his voice, but I’m having a visual like a TV screen of the events. And as the Lord is talking to me, up to the say I was 18 years old when I got born again, and the Lord says, “I was with you this event and I’m the one that visited you and saved you.” When He’s talking to me His voice and His words are coming to me with such a force that they started cleansing me from all the bitterness and all the anger. And instantly, by Him talking to me, I was filled with His love and I was delivered from the hatred, the bitterness and all my rescindments. And I was filled with the love of God to the point that I wanted to go to every person that did me wrong and hug them and kiss them. It was a love that it was beyond my way of expressing love. And I learned one thing. The voice of the Lord carries power to deliver us, to change us, to heal us, just His voice.
SID: You know, here in America, we have, what, maybe eight Bibles per Christian. We’re fat with Bibles. And we’ve heard the stories since we were in Sunday school, little kids. And we kind of take it for granted. We forget how powerful every word of the Word of God is.
RICH: Well Jesus said, “The words that I speak, they’re spirit and they carry life.” So words are not just noise, you know, like you hear a voice and go, you’re just making noise. But when Jesus talks, there’s two elements to his voice. His voice is an audio and his voice is visual. And my experience is because everything He will talk to me, I will see it. That’s why you hear prophetic people say, I see this and I see that. You’re hearing something from the Lord. So when God talks to us, and actually words that are spirit born, spirit led, are words that will carry vision and will carry audio. And this is the power of God. Because the Bible says, without vision that people perish. But the Word of God brings vision to us. There’s a need for us to hear the voice of God, not just through a prophet. One word of the Lord can carry you for a whole life, one single word.
SID: Now God told you, when you came back and He taught you about the gift of prophecy, but what did he tell you, you would be able to see?
RICH: You know, He showed me some people. And He says, “Look up.” And He told me, “What do you see?” And I see, “Well I see,” and I described people. He says, “Look again. Tell me what you see.” And I see, “Well I see,” and I described different bodies. He says, “Look again.” So I began to describe blue tie, red this. And then suddenly an angel turned the group of people around, and an angel came and peeled in from the back like if it wore a banana. So when he peeled them instead of seeing their brain or their body organs, I could see them what happened to them when they were children, things in their lives, what they were thinking, incidents in their lives. And the Lord says, “Look now.” And when I saw it, something right away was downloading in my spirit. And the Lord says, “From this time on when you see people, you will know. And as you speak by my spirit I will heal them, I will deliver them, not only physical, but from things that are happening in their lives.” So that’s really what released me to another level of the prophetic in my life.
SID: Let me tell you something, I was with him and I just talked a bit about backsliding, and I don’t understand someone backsliding, I said, because I had such an experience, I could never even fathom that. And he began to tell me the experience that I had. He said, “I see it.” And he began to say the words, but he had no knowledge of this before the fact. So I’ve already tested this gift. But what excites me even more than that gift, I have to tell you, is the revelation you got from Isaiah, from Peter, from Elijah, from Moses. Oy vey. I wish I had those revelations. I want to hear it in the next segment. Be right back.
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SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Dr. Gary Whetstone. And we found out that he had an amazing journey to know the Messiah. So he gets married and everything is fine. But you see, he had an encounter. He knew that God was real, but he was not discipled. And at a party one day, he takes one joint and all that craziness comes back to him.
GARY: That’s right.
SID: And your wife couldn’t handle it. And so she’s going to divorce him. And at the day of the divorce, what did you say to the judge?
GARY: I’m standing before the judge and he says, “Do you have anything to say about your divorce?” I said, “Yes.” He says, “Raise your right hand and put your hand on the Bible.” I said, “No, I want to read it.” He said, “We don’t do that in this courtroom.” I said, “No, I’m going to read it.” Because the Bible says in First Corinthians, Chapter 7, “If she departs let her remained unmarried or be reconciled to her husband.” And I said, “I want it on the court record today. I’m only going to commit her to be remarried to me.”
SID: Well I wonder what that judge thought of that. And then, worse than that, after the divorce is granted, he asks, talk about chutzpah, that’s a Hebrew word meaning nerve, he asks his wife for a date after the divorce. So he prays and he fasts, and he gets discipled. And your wife must have been very fearful of going back to you as crazy as you were.
GARY: Sid, she had such tremendous fear. As a matter of fact, she knew that if she came back to me she had to trust God completely to restore everything in her life in her fellowship with God and me. That God would take us on a new journey, that our marriage would not be for ourselves, that it would be for the Kingdom of God, for the person or Christ. And the people that had been gripped by fear by tragedy and trauma in life, we would give our lives to see their lives delivered. But God gave her grace to come through that. As I fasted and prayed, I saw a miracle of God. She became born again, spirit-filled. When she trusted to remarry me, it was like stepping over a cliff. She said the fear was overwhelming and God gave me answers to fear and conquering it in people’s lives, whether it was tragedy, trauma, torment, confusion. It doesn’t matter where it came from, from natural stimulus in life, from prognosis from a doctor, somebody saying you’re insane. I mean, here I am pastoring a church two and half miles from the mental hospital that I was in. I haven’t gone very far in life, just down the way.
SID: But you know what interests me the most? Is this mandate you received. You were at a meeting. You got some 2000 prayer requests
SID: And you found a common theme in these prayer requests.
GARY: I’m holding a meeting in Earl’s Court, which is a huge coliseum in London, on prayer. And I asked our church, and I get 2000 prayer requests I take with me. And as I’m studying these, I see that 70 percent of all the causes are rooted in fear of what people needed prayer for. And I began step by step, the Spirit of God began to lead me, Sid. I saw how fear had crippled, demeaned people. I watched the reality of it in these prayer requests. That whole week of prayer that I led in Earl’s Court was a breakthrough of prayer of breaking fear, tormenting confusion that had been over people’s minds.
SID: You studied every scripture on fear
GARY: Every one
SID: But tell me something. Was this just a good important thing to do? How much was God a part of it?
GARY: No. Sid, God gave me a mandate to go step-by-step, seek every person’s life that encountered fear. Gideon was a man of great fear that God called him a great man of valor. And it was the fear of being the poorest from the House of Manasseh It was the fear of how could God do the miracles when I’ve never seen it. And yet the fear of stepping over to the supernatural real, God gave me insight and access on how to deliver people from that fear to access the supernatural power of God.
SID: Give me that acronym that God gave you about fear.
GARY: F-False, E-Evidence, A-Appearing, R-Real
SID: Say it in a sentence.
GARY: False evidence appearing real.
SID: That is so simple and yet so profound. What does that mean to you?
GARY: That means to me that people trust in the natural world, it speaks to them one event, but God has an entire other event planned as long as that fear does not dictate to them. Sometimes it’s a doctor’s diagnosis. Sometimes it’s a prognosis of situation that they can’t see any other way out. It can be a bill they deal with. It can be a financial catastrophe about to occur. And the fear, it could be some failure they’ve had in your past that they feel they might be going back to that’s speaking to them, and God has given us clear and decisive instruction on how to set them free from every cause.
SID: Now you told me over the last 10 years you have not had fear. You really mean that.
GARY: Sid, I have not had fear.
SID: Aren’t you afraid of sickness? Aren’t you afraid of death?
GARY: You know, I was in Nigeria about two and a half years ago, coming up a hill, and I stopped breathing. I couldn’t breathe any more. So I flew back home. And the doctor comes, he’s a pulmonologist, and he says, “Gary, you have lung cancer. You have three months to live at best.” My wife is on a trip overseas as well for several months, so I can’t tell anybody. And I said to the doctor, I said, “That’s not true.” He said, “What do you mean it’s not true?” He said, “I’ve been a practicing pulmonologist for 20-some years.” I said, “It is not true.” I saw my death and I do not die from lung cancer.
SID: He had a vision of how he was going to die. But you don’t need a vision. All you need is the Word of God.
GARY: That’s right.
SID: God says you shall live and not die.
GARY: That’s right.
SID: Proclaim the works of the Lord. That’s for you. I’ll tell you what, when I come back I want Gary to tell me, now how many tumors did you have inside of you?
SID: Did you hear that? Eighty tumors. He’s in a foreign country. He has three months to live. Oy vey. We’ll be right back.
SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Mike Shreve. And I am so excited about the revelation of God’s Word in reference to your children and grandchildren, and great-grandchildren, because there is hope. But Mike, what about older parents who have children and they’re adults, and they don’t have a good relationship with those children. Is it too late for those children?
MIKE: It’s never too late for a person to change and it’s never too late for a relationship to be restored. I have a dear friend who emailed me just a few weeks ago when she turned 50 years old. All three of her children were in jail and she heard this revelation the Lord had given to me about 65 promises God has given your children, and she began praying those promises over her estranged children. There was great friction in the family. At least two of them were heroin addicts. And within a short span of time all three of her children accepted the Lord. All have been delivered from drugs and alcohol, and two of them are very committed to the ministry of the Lord Jesus Christ and the Word of God. So it’s been a major supernatural transformation because Proverbs 11:21 says, “The seed of the righteous shall be delivered.” God didn’t say might be, could be, should be or maybe. He said, “The seed of the righteous SHALL be delivered.” And I think we need to speak with that kind of forcefulness.
SID: With some of the things that you have seen that are going to happen in the future, with what’s going on in our education system, children from elementary school on are being brainwashed the opposite of God’s Word. We need something stronger, and that something stronger was given to us, the words of the Living God. But some of the things that Mike has seen that’s coming on this world, you began seeing things about President Obama before he was present. What did God show you?
MIKE: Yes I did. I knew he would be elected because God showed me when he was just running for office that he would be exalted to a position of authority. But then when I saw him placed in that position of authority, I saw the words written and heard them spoken, “nuclear proliferation,” which ironically is the opposite of the platform he ran on, which is reduction of nuclear weapons. But what God was showing me is that during his presidency there would be a rapid development of nuclear capability among nations.
SID: He shared with me when I interviewed him previously before this happened. And what he’s just saying is happening so rapidly that the world isn’t even aware of it. It seems like everyday you hear another country that has nuclear bombs. Just the opposite of what the president is standing for is occurring. I mean, why is that? Why is that happening?
MIKE: It’s because the enemy’s plan is to make our enemies stronger than us, because we’re not only the natural breadbasket of the world, the United States is the spiritual breadbasket of the world. And that’s why there’s a concerted attack on our nation in many different arenas, economically, politically, religiously, in order to stop the progress of the Gospel. But God showed me many years ago, about 30 years ago, God showed me another third great awakening that is coming to our nation and ultimately to our world. So God has a plan that [unintelligible].
SID: You know, I happen to believe it started already. It’s little bits and pieces, but he also saw, you saw some destruction in New York City.
MIKE: Very heartbreaking. In fact, earlier in the year 2012, I had a dream where I saw New York City lifted up above the ground and it became translucent. You could see right through it. And then it rushed across the United States of America and across the Pacific and hovered over Japan, and then it merged with that area in eastern, northeastern Japan where that terrible tragedy took place about a year prior to that, where there was an earthquake and tsunami, and a nuclear incident. And I saw New York City destroyed with the same level of destruction. And that makes me very concerned that there will be a nuclear incident in New York City. But if that happens in the near future I believe it will only serve to bring America to repentance. I don’t know what God’s plans are. I know we can pray, we can intercede, but I do know God has a plan that will prevail.
SID: But you saw a major move of God’s spirit.
MIKE: Yes I did.
SID: Especially on young people. And when you begin to pray God’s Word over your children and grandchildren, quickly, I want you to pray for the children and grandchildren, and great-grandchildren of those that are watching right now.
MIKE: Father, in the name of Jesus, you said that in the last days you would pour out your spirit on all flesh and our sons and daughters would prophesy, and our young men would see visions. And I claim that fulfillment, that promise coming to pass in Jesus’ name. May every child represented by every person watching this telecast, let everyone of them come unto this canopy of the anointing of God. You’re the faithful God who keeps covenant and mercy with those that love you to a thousand generations. Let covenant come upon them in Jesus’ name. And I just feel like there are hundreds of you that are going to see your offspring that are bound in drugs, bound to heroin out in a life of darkness, you’re going to see them delivered, Proverbs 11:21, “The seed of the righteous shall be delivered.” We prophesy over you in Jesus’ name. Amen. Hallelujah.
SID: You take it. You take that. I take that.
MIKE: Praise God.
SID: Mike is showing people are actually being physically healed right now. There’s someone, you have a pain, arthritis in your fingers. It’s gone in Jesus’ name. There are other people, deafness, spirited deafness is leaving. Mike, is God showing you anything?
MIKE: Yes. He’s just showed me a woman who’s been estranged from her daughter for a lengthy, lengthy, decades, and there’s been a rift in the relationship, and that will be restored. That will be restored. That relationship will be restored. I feel that.
SID: But the most important thing is you get right with God. You stop that backslidden stupidity. You come back to God, make Jesus your Lord.
SID: Read your Bible and accomplish your destiny on this planet. This is your moment and you have not gone too far away. Come home.
Sid:People are even getting healed as I’m speaking.Someone’s neck has just been healed. “Bless the Lord oh my soul and forget not all His benefits, who forgives all my iniquities, who heals all my diseases; who redeems my life from destruction.” I want you to say this many times during the day.Can you picture by the end of a year what’s going to happen in your life as these scriptures become flesh inside of you and saturate every fiber of your being? I do know my guest is Julie True; Julie I know that if we become worshippers of God, if we live for God that anything the devil puts upon us has got to reverse itself.We have to walk in such divine health and such supernatural peace. That’s what your music does for people. In fact, tell me about the word God gave you about your music.
Julie: Well, I had been a worship leader for sometime and I was getting, I don’t know I just felt like there was more than just leading the same songs each time, and that sort of thing. And I started getting hungry for more and I was asking God driving into town one day “Lord what is my purpose in the area of worship music?” And I instantly, and kind of surprisingly got this instant word back where He said to “Infiltrate the earth with sounds of healing.” And I pulled over and wrote that down and embraced it and began speaking it and when people would say what do you do? You know I would say “I’m called to infiltrate the earth with sounds of healing.” And I didn’t know even what that meant or how that was going to happen because I wasn’t doing anything outside of my little church at the time really. But anyway that’s how that launched me into thinking outside of lines of what my concept was for my music, and what my concept was for worship.You know I believe that music does heal and I don’t know how God does all that but it hits places, it goes places deep in us that nothing else can reach.
Sid:Well you know as I was just mediating on that scripture, Psalm 103. I actually had a vision of someone whose shoulders were painful, or they were called frozen shoulder and as you move your shoulders towards each other and back you’ll see that pain or lack of motion it’s gone in Jesus Name. Tell me some of the things that people report to you after they’ve heard your music.
Julie: One that I really loved that a lady wrote about her husband was that he had taken, he had been really stressed out in his work and he had taken a temporary sales job that intimidated him.When he started going out to sell he would put on my CD’s and he would get incredible peace. And anyway he ended up becoming the top sales person in his job.
Sid:Tell me about the person that saw a black shadows, and fearful, and then even the roommate was set free; tell me about that person.
Julie: Okay there is a lady who has a soaking group in our home and she had invited some people to come in and join her for these times.This lady said that her house that she recently moved into was that she was having a lot of fear, she was seeing these black shadows, and her roommate also had been having the same kind of fear. And so this lady that was hosting the soaking time gave her a CD of mine and said “Hey take this and play this in her house.” And so any way she said that when they started doing that the fear left they were no longer afraid to stay there anymore, and they didn’t see any more black shadows after that. And she said the lady said “That music has some spirit something in it” and so she evidently meant just the anointing of God and the presence of God.
Sid:She was as I understand it she was a new believer and she didn’t even understand it, but there was something supernatural flowing out of your music and speaking about supernatural, tell me about the song “Where the Water Flows.”
Julie: Well, that just was a spontaneous song that came up during a soaking time recently and it was just in the middle of me singing about “I want to go deeper Lord, I want to go deeper Lord where the waters flow, where the water seeps into every crack and crevice of my heart. I want to go deeper Lord.”
Sid:If you want to go deeper get ready to receive;
Sid: My guest Katie Sousa is going to talk about a subject that is almost ignored, or the other extreme you have to go to almost a college course to take care of it. But it’s literally causing a problem for the promises of God to be operating in your life. And everyone knows about forgiveness, and you know how that if you don’t forgive you drink the poison you want the person that wounded you to drink. So you know how to forgive, but there is something called wounding in the soul, haven’t you noticed that some people take off once they become a believer and move in all the gifts of the Spirit and the promises of God seem to be activated in working and they have dreams and visions and words of knowledge. And other people year after year after year they don’t see much of that going on, and they have problems in their life, problems in their marriage, problems in their finances, problems in their health. And it has to do with a wounding in your soul. Now Katie Sousa you have been teaching on this and the thing that amazes me about your teaching is that you keep it so simple, it’s easy enough for one, and once someone understands the principals for them to be free. Let’s start out with what is wounding of the soul, what does that mean?
Katie: Okay, that’s easy. We’re a three part being, body, soul and spirit and when we become believers our spirit man is made perfect in an instant. That doesn’t happen to our soul, our soul has to be progressively healed over time. But here unfortunately overtime there have been a progression of wounding in our souls and those wounds come from two main sources from trauma like if we have a traumatic event, a death of a love one or an accident, or something like that those events can literally wound our soul. And doctors will even tell you that if you have something happen in your soul, like if you have a traumatic event happen it can develop like into a physical sickness. But there is another thing that wounds a soul that every single person on the face of the planet has done and that is sin, sin literally wounds us in our soul man, I mean there is scripture on it in Isaiah 30 it says, “That God will bind up the hurts of His people and heal their wound inflicted by him because of their sin.”
Sid: But wait a second though, are you saying to me when someone repents of their sins and is born again and Jesus is living inside of them they still can have scars on their soul that will limit them in their walk in the supernatural?
Katie: It’s true and I’ll tell you how that works, so here we are we all go through life and we sin and according to the Bible sin creates wounds in the soul, even the Psalmist said, “Oh Lord heal my soul for I have sinned.” Indicating that the sin had wounded the soul; so we all have these wounds inside of us and we go okay “Well, we plead the blood and that takes care of everything.” Well, here’s the piece where the church has missed and this is a crucial piece of healing that we didn’t understand, we’ve all been applying the blood of Jesus on our sin and that’s exactly what the blood of Jesus does, it washes us from that sin. And we go okay we go in the closet and if we sin or do something we repent and we apply the blood and we put the cross on our sin and then we come out of the closet and we go “Amen okay I’m done.” But at the end of that prayer we’re still sick, we’re still broke; we still have relationship problems, our mind is still being controlled and all these problems are still happening in our life so what happened? I thought, didn’t we just apply the blood and isn’t the blood all powerful? Yes, it is, the blood is all powerful, but the blood had a specific job, it is for the sin. But what we didn’t understand is that sin made a wound in our soul and there is another power that comes from Jesus Christ that is specifically for the wound that sin made. And power is called dunamis; it comes to us from the resurrection of Christ. You see the church has been for centuries focused on the cross as we should, we have to have the cross, we need the cross to be reconciled unto God, to have eternal life, to be cleansed of our sin. But the thing is, we also need to be focused on the resurrection and a power called dunamis that comes from. Because see without the resurrection Jesus is still a man dead in a tomb; see He had to be raised from the dead for everything He had accomplished on the cross to become activated. So when Jesus was raised from the dead it gave us a power called dunamis. Let me talk about that. Paul said, in Philippians 3 he says, “I want to know him, meaning Christ, and the power, or dunamis, that’s what it is of His resurrection.” See through the resurrection there comes to us a power called dunamis, now the reason why it’s so important for us to start partaking of that dunamis just like we partake of the blood is because of what dunamis means. In the Greek if you look it up in the Strong’s there’s like four meanings, I’ll just tell you two. The first one is the power to perform miracles, and the second on is this, “To be excellent of soul.” You see the power, (laughing) that dunamis that comes from the resurrection is for the healing of the wounds that sin made. So when we put the blood we take care of the sin. But that sin still let the wound behind, and the Bible says, “We’ll prosper and be in health even as our soul prospers.” So when that wound is left behind it ruins out prosperity, it causes us to be sick, it affects our health.
Sid: Let me tell you something that I envision as I’m hearing you speak right now. Someone comes to the Lord, they genuinely are born again, they genuinely have an experience with the Lord. They have a soul, and I envision the soul as the heart, and if you had x-ray vision you could see scars on this heart from being a human all these years as a nonbeliever, and as a believer being undiscipled in the word of God. I see these wounds, or these scars, so if you could see someone’s soul, see their, and it looks like a heart there are scars all over, and is there a way of getting rid of these scars? That’s what’s your saying and yes I hear what you’re saying; there’s a dunamis which is a Greek word for the power of God. But how does this transaction occur, how do you get rid of the scars?
Katie: Just like people go in their closet and get on their knees and go “Oh, Jesus forgive me of my sin,” Let’s say they you know, they drank, they went out and they drank some alcohol and then they are totally convicted. So they go into their closet and they go “Oh Jesus heal me of that sin with your blood, wash me clean of that sin and right now in Your Mighty Name apply your cross to that sin in Jesus Name.” And so they apply the blood, you do the same thing, you just use the same level of faith, the same coming before the Lord and you go “Now Jesus I’m going to take a second step, I’m not going to stop at the first step, I understand that I need all of you, I need Your cross and I need Your resurrection.” And so now I’ve partaken of Your blood Lord for my sin and I know that the Bible says when I do that my sin is gone, but now I know I got to deal with the wound that sin made.
Sid: I want to get rid of those scars because those scars are short circuiting what God has for your life.
Katie: Those scars are completely controlling the church, okay. Those scars are making people talk to each other, and respond to each other in this horrible way and that’s why people can’t get along. If you’re a born again believer, two born again believers have no problem getting along in their spirit man, so what does that leave behind, it’s their soul and it’s wounds on their soul. Paul says, I do the thing I don’t want to do because the sin nature fixed and operating in my soul. He knew that it was sinning because of the junk that was in his trunk. We’re all, we’re trying, we’re trying so hard not to sin, we’re trying so hard to walk in righteousness, we’re trying so hard not to scream at our husbands, or our children, or our boss, or to go back to our old ways. But we can’t just seem to help ourselves, it’s like we’re being controlled by…
Sid: Are even Christians that become addicts like for instance the biggest addiction right now I know of right now is pornography, it’s hard to believe a Christian could be addicted to pornography, but they are. And it’s got to do with these wounds in their soul.
Katie: Yes, that’s what happened that sin of pornography literally wounds then and that wound then does what Paul says, “I do the thing that I don’t want to do because the sin nature fixed and operating in my soul.” It dries them back to watch it, over and over again and they sit there feel so condemned and they’re like “Oh God, help me stop, why can’t I stop.” They can’t stop because the wound is there controlling them, driving them.
Sid: So if the wound was gone all they have to do is stand on a promise of God and it works the way the Bible says it supposed to.
Katie: Exactly, that’s why Paul Paul’s the guy that says “I do the thing that I don’t want to do because of what’s in my soul.” And he’s also the guy that said, “I want to know Him and the power, or the dunamis, of His resurrection.” He was saying look, I’m so aware of what going on in my soul and I have had a revelation that what will get me healed of that thing is the dunamis power that comes through the resurrection, it will cause me to be what dunamis means, excellent of soul. You know Paul prayed for everybody in Ephesians 3:16 “He prayed I pray that you would be strengthened and reinforced in your inner man (I looked it up that word means the soul) He goes by God’s mighty power, which was dunamis. So he was praying for us to be filled in our souls with dunamis because he understood that dunamis gets rid of those scars, it gets rid of those wounds that came from our sin and then…
Sid: Op we’re running out of time Katie, we’ll pick up right here on tomorrow’s broadcast. But Mishpochah this is such vital teaching, I mean I wish everyone of us, me included had this understanding when we became brand new believers. Can you imagine we’re walking around fighting the devil with one arm tied behind our back?
Sid: My guest is red hot for the Messiah she’s been a guest several times on the Messianic Vision. For those that are not familiar with Katie Sousa if you’re familiar with Bonnie and Clyde I affectionately like to say she was Bonnie and Clyde put together. I mean at her wildest she was doing police were chasing her at high speed chases; she was making her own drugs; she was enforcer of collecting money of people that owed drug debts. She had a career in radio and TV modeling; in fact Katie you were a model on the Home Shopping Network.
Katie: Yeah, it was called TelShop on Financial News Network. It was so crazy Sid because I would show up to work and my job was to model the clothes because they would sell these different clothes on this program. But I would come to work high with dope in my pocket and in between the breaks I would jump off the stage run to the bathroom and go do another hit of dope it was crazy.
Sid: Okay and you also were in a band and you were a drug supplier in Hollywood. I don’t know how a young person can get involved in so much so quickly. You finally you got your due you got arrested and you were…how old were you when you were given twelve and a half years in a Federal Penitentiary?
Katie: I was thirty-five I believe at the time almost thirty-six.
Sid: I mean, when you got that sentence how does someone deal with twelve years in a prison? First of all I don’t think you or anyone else knew how bad it would be to be in prison, but just the shock when you found out 12 ½ years you’re a young woman and the best part of your life is going to be taken away from you, how did you feel?
Katie: Well, you know I knew what prison was going to be like so I wasn’t liking the idea; I mean I had been arrested twelve times before that final moment; twelve times in one year. And when they gave me that time it’s like; it’s almost like you’re going into this shock you can’t believe that is going to happen to you. But praise God at that moment I had already started to come towards the Lord and seek out His presence and all that. He was right at that moment He came in giving me seeds of hope in my heart that He was going to do something amazing for me which He did.
Sid: Well, and that is what the most wonderful miracle He actually told you you would get out without serving the twelve and a half years and He told you the exact date you would get out. Did you tell anyone in prison the exact date you were going to get out or did you just ponder that with the Lord?
Katie: Oh, no, no, no when God gave me the revelation about my new out date, I went out the next day and told everybody in the facility which is like 1,200 women by the end of the day they all heard about it all the counselors heard about it and they were all laughing at me because they thought I was nuts.
Sid: Now when you heard the exact date was it just the year or was it more exact than that?
Katie: Oh no, He gave me November 21st as my date and the number 57 and I didn’t understand the 57 until later, but it came to pass exactly as that because when I got– when I won my case about six months later they gave me my new out date which was November 21st 2003 which was my 57 month in captivity. So it was a very specific date.
Sid: While you were still in prison you were radical for crime; you were radical for the devil literally he had you and knowing you now I know how you are now, but how were you in prison were you just as radical back then?
Katie: Radical for crime or radical for Jesus?
Sid: No, radical for Jesus.
Katie: Well, when I first came in Sid I spent the first year in and out of what they call the hole; out of lockdown; because I was in constant fights, I mean I was attacking COs, I was attacking officers. And I was getting thrown into the hole over and over again, but at the same time God was coming and revealing Himself to me; He was doing miracles. Like I would be in the cell down in the hole where they let you have like nothing, there’s freezing cold air blowing in there you’re sleep on a little metal bench, I mean there’s nothing and I would sit there and I’d go “Okay God if you’re real you know bring me a Bible.” And they would take me out for a shower the next day and I would go in to throw my dirty clothes into the uniform bucket which was usually like stacked to the sky with like dirty uniforms, but there wouldn’t be anything in it but a Bible. So there was these miracles that happened to me during that year of rebellion. That strengthened me to pursue God and say wow, this guy is real, this God is real! And it would cause me to just like get as radical as I was for crime for Him now because He was showing Himself to me.
Sid: Now you affectionately called your group of friends that were in prison with you “The God Pod” tell me about the God pod.
Katie: (Laughing) Well, you know God used my “leadership” qualities that I had on the street to be able to lead you know groups of people into these sophisticated crimes and everything else. He used that leadership quality to lead the women in my pod, in my unit to Christ. So we began to; I began to round up literally round up the pod. I would stand up in the middle of the pod and go “All right everybody it’s Bible story time, come out here right now.”
Sid: And if you don’t come out I’ll kill you – no (laughing)
Katie: You know I’d sit there and I’d teach everybody and then we would learn these songs and people would stand up on the upper tier and the lower tier and we would all be singing away and of course the whole entire unit is like in a glass bubble it looks like in and aquarium and the police are out watching all that. And so they’d see us you know the upper tier and the lower tier singing these songs and everybody around the tables and I’m preaching, teaching Bible studies and all of us praying and we would have baptisms in the shower where we’d throw people in the shower and baptize them.
Sid: (laughing) Oh you did have a captive audience come to think about it, I’m teasing.
Katie: They were sitting there watching us we got deemed the God pod.
Sid: Now, you were suppose to serve 12 ½ years in a Federal Penitentiary, you were given an exact date. You told people ahead of time that you were going to be paroled on this exact date, how long did you serve?
Katie: Well, it ended up that when I won my case I went back to the court and if I can tell a little story it would be really funny. They wanted to give me more time because they were so angry that I had won the case because they hated my guts. And so the prosecuting attorney says “Well, were going to put in a motion that you’re going to get more time because this is just an appeals court that you won. And so he went into the judge and said “Judge I’m putting in a motion that we give her more time but you let me go down there and take all the chemicals that were found at her laboratory and come up and weigh them so I can add on the motion for her to get 20 years instead of 12. And so the judge agreed. And so they sent them out to go down to get these chemicals, well what had happened is that while I’m still in prison a year or two prior and women who was the president of the Hell’s Angels she was a girl friend of Hell’s angels the top guy came in through my prison and she was totally, radically saved by Jesus and she had a prophetic word for me saying “That God was going to destroy the chemicals in my case.” Well, at that time I had already gone to court, they had already weighed the chemicals so I said, “Well, that’s nice but you know they already weighed my stuff it’s too late, she goes “Never the less, that’s what God said and that’s what’s going to happen!” Well then fast forward to a year and half later and we’re in the court and this guy puts in a motion to reweigh the chemicals so that he can add on to my sentence. He goes down there to get them, they come back from the recess and he announces sheepishly he announces to the judge that all the chemicals had been destroyed because of the dangerous nature of those chemicals. And so they had to give me my motion and they took 7 years off my sentence.
Sid: Rather than doubling your sentence was what he wanted they took seven years off of your sentence. Well, I have to tell you not only is Katie Sousa radical for God and some of those rough edges have been refined but my wife was listening to the teaching that we’re making available this week, we were driving in the car and we were just listening to it and what a subject. I mean the title of the four CDs are “Stay Unoffendable” and think about that for a minute. But Katie I found you almost like a young Joyce Meyer because you are funny, the stories you share I mean my wife was in stitches!
Sid: But I bet it wasn’t funny when you were going through some of these things you were talk about. (laughing)
Katie: That’s the thing you know, it’s never funny while it’s happening but later on you look back and it’s hysterical. (laughing)
Sid: Let me ask you kind of a bottom-line if you are offended constantly, and let’s face it everyone has an opportunity to be offended multiple times daily.
Sid: I’m talking about a good believer, I’m not talking about nonbelievers, a good believer it takes no talent for someone to do something that hurts yeah. A spouse, a child, an employer, a teacher, a pastor. Is it possible to live 24-7 unoffendable you cannot offend me? I mean really and truly is that possible?
Katie: Well, two things that I believe that can get you to pout over being offended and that’s one, you got to get rid of the past offenses first, you got to get healed of those because they’ve wounded your soul, that sins wounded your soul probably talk about that in a minute. And then after you do that you have to get rid of those first, you got to heal those first because they’re controlling you. Once you’ve spent years or months or even weeks being offended it cause a wounding in the soul.
Sid: And you know I’m amazed and I’m cutting you off because we’re running out of time, but it’s amazing to me that even gifts of the Spirit are your words of knowledge will not increase if there’s wounding in your spirit. You physically sick if there’s wounding in your spirit, the promises of God don’t operate in your life.
Sid: We want everyone everywhere to be red hot for the Messiah, my guest I don’t think she has a choice she must be red hot for the Messiah. Her name is Mary Katherine Baxter and I ‘m speaking to her home in Melbourne, Florida; and in 1976 she was a mother and a housewife but she had received a very interesting prophecy before this event occurred in her life. What was the prophecy Mary Katherine?
Mary K: Well, it was several prophecies Sid, I was a; we had a great church, a great pastor, John Gauzen and as we would have great meetings he was a man that would go to like Full Gospel Business men and different speakers, Shambach and then he would take a team of us there. A prophet would always call me out, it seemed like I would always be there with my pastor and leaders and he’d say “You young lady, you’re going to have dreams, visions and revelations.” And then another prophet in our church said, “The day would come when Christ would appear to me and show me a revelation that would shake the nation.” And I was young in this but I grew up in church; I grew up in Tennessee in the church and so I knew what it was to take heed to the prophets to remember what they said and believe God for it.
Sid: But I don’t think you were quite ready for what happened to you; these prophesies began to happened to you and you literally experienced going to Hell for thirty nights in a row.
Mary K: Yeah.
Sid: And then for ten nights going to heaven, tell me that first time that you had that first visitation to Hell, describe that to me.
Mary K: My first night was when the Lord appeared to me, alright I was saved and I had the Holy Spirit and I was praying and I was seeking God because my husband worked the night shift and he had come home and went to bed and all the children were in bed and it was my best time to study, I love to study the Bible like waiting on him to come home at night. And then I would study from midnight till 2:00 I’d be praying, studying and read the Bible because the children were asleep and that was my time. And that night I was getting ready, I put my Bible up and I was getting ready to go to bed and a brilliancy of light appeared in my bedroom and I began to worship the Lord; high praises come from my soul. And I looked into the light and out of the light stepped the Lord Jesus Christ. He was very tall, he had on two piece white garment, he had a beard and a mustache and very trim, very elegant. He had eyes that was the most beautiful piercing blue that you had ever seen; and my knees went down and my hands went up and I called him King of kings and Lord of lords. And the feeling Sid that came from Christ, there’s nothing in the world can touch except we go a trip to Heaven, it is the most beautiful, beautiful power of God when the presence of Jesus and the love overwhelms you. And He spoke to me and He called me by my name and He said, “Kathryn; the Father has spoken you have been chosen by the Lord to go into Hell with me that I may show you the depths, the degrees, the levels and the torments of Hell for the whole world. And He said, “The day will come when there will be a tape and a book and a movie made out of this and this book shall be in every major language in the world; and He said this is not for a handful of people but it is for the whole world. And He began to explain to me about my journey, Sid He told me at times I’d think He’d left me but He had not; He told me, “Hell was in the middle of the earth, He told me that for every night for three hours a night He would take me by His power He would actually translate me with Him into the abode of the dead and that He would explain things to me that He wanted me to see, only what He wanted me to know He would show me.” And He said, “This is very grievous, very sad but He said, that it must be done.” And He said, “Because the people have lost the fear of God,” He said, “They have lost the fear of God’s judgment and He said with this testimony many will turn back to Me He said and begin to read the Bible and know who I am. And that’s what He told me.
Sid: Now, you probably don’t have answer to this but I’ve got to ask it anyway, “Why did He choose you?”
Mary K: Because He just said so, you know the Lord had spoken and I guess it’s because many people ask “Why didn’t God choose a man?” And now there’s a man that’s seen Hell; He just said, “Because God had spoken He choose me.”
Sid: By the way tell me about how you came to the Lord.
Mary K: Okay, I was a…the first time I got saved I was I think eight years old and then when I was twelve years old, you know how you really the kids go to the altar and they raise their hand and they praise the Lord and they want Jesus in their heart? Well at eight years old I did that and then when I was twelve a man came to our church and he preached on Hell, he really preached about the power of God and I was twelve years old and I ran to the altar all of us kids did we didn’t want to go to Hell. And I got born again that day and I was just shaken under the power of the Lord and then when I was nineteen years old I was born again, my experiences has been supernatural with God all my life. But with this experience Sid it was my child, my first born child and I was in the hospital and she was critically ill; she had been very ill in fact there had been a miracle of miracles happen. When she was born she was assumed baby and they had laid her down for dead, my daughter and the doctors and nurses told me that a man came in and he had a white doctors uniform on and black hair but they didn’t know who he was. And he picked up my child and he gave her mouth to mouth breathing for forty-five minutes and she began to breath and they put her in a incubator. They told me this later, since then that hospital has been rebuilt and everything. But anyway it was the third day the said, “If she lived three days her cranial cavity had been crushed and if she lives three days she will be a miracle of God.” And on the third day I heard music, I heard the most beautiful music and my mother was a praying woman and she had prayed that she heard angels sing for me, she prayed until daylight when they thought my baby would die. And what happened I saw in my window Sid clouds roll back and a band of angels were standing there singing the plan of salvation to me. They told me I must repent of my sins, ask Jesus Christ to come in my heart and save my soul and that His blood would wash me clean. They specifically talked about the blood of Jesus Christ and when I did that with those angels I felt like a waterfall had come up on me, had just washed me and washed me and I knew I was born again, I knew it. And I begin to shout and pray the Lord and that’s how I was born again.
Sid: But I have to ask you, a band of angels, about how many of them?
Mary K: Yes, there were about twenty.
Sid: And what did they look like to you?
Mary K: Okay, let me tell you, they were dressed with okay some had long hair, some had short hair okay and they had garments on, they had like lavender, gold colored garments and they were different types, different sizes their garments, some come to the ankles flowing, they had musical instruments one had like a banjo. One of the had like a flute, one of them had like they were playing music, one of the them had a guitar shaped like a guitar and they were tall, some of them were shorter and they were standing on the stairway that came from Heaven. And there was a cloud around these angels and they had golden hair, they had beautiful—one of them had beautiful bright looked like red hair and brown hair, they were just beautiful. And they begin to just sing to me about Jesus and who Jesus was. And I’d been to church all my life, all my life since I was a little bitty girl and I had that experience with the Lord.
Sid: But I’m holding in my hand and we’re going to go into her visitations to Hell and heaven later on in the week but I have a book in my hand called “The Power of the Blood.” And when I started reading this book a thought crossed my mind, there’s the Mel Gibson movie “The Passion of Christ” and one of the reasons that you wrote this book is you had a vision of Jesus suffering and His crucifixion. Out of curiosity did you see the movie “The Passion of Christ?”
Mary K: Yes, a huh.
Sid: Which was worse your vision or the movie?
Mary K: The vision was worse than what they showed in “The Passion” because He was beat beyond recognition, He was beat, He was mangled even one…
Sid: I imaged that if they showed in the movie “The Passion of Christ” what you saw in your vision they probably wouldn’t have been allowed to show that movie.
Mary K: I know, I know.
Sid: What impact did that vision have on you?
Mary K: It had a lot in my life because I realized what He did for me, I really realized that Sid even talking to you what He did for me. If He had not went to the cross and did what He did for the whole world none of us would be saved, His blood would not have been shed to wash away our sins and it does a lot to you.
Sid: The book that we’re making available this week “The Power of the Blood” and of course it was written by you with your visions and then from a theological viewpoint T. L. Lowery a very respected Theologian. Why is there a need to write a book about the power of the blood?
Mary K: Most people don’t understand what you say about the blood of Jesus and the power and the blood. The blood washes away your sins; the blood of Jesus will heal your body, even the name of the blood of Jesus. People need to know that we’re overcomers through the blood of the Lamb and the name of Jesus.
Sid: You know what I love you talk about not just those areas but you talk about walking in Devine health, you talk about something that we don’t even hear spoken any more, how to plead the blood and how to plead the blood over your circumstances, over fear in your life, bring loved ones to know the Lord.