SID:  Hello Sid Roth your investigative reporter here with Doug Jones and are you ready have you got that switch of faith turned on even now?  But the question is posed Doug; it’s one thing to preach it, it’s another thing to teach it, but it is more important to live it. Question: have you ever been sick?

DOUG:  Sure.

SID:  And have you practiced what you are preaching and seen results?

DOUG:  Yes sir, very much so. We are people who are belief governed we are to live by what we believe. And that doesn’t mean we don’t go to doctors we need to make that clear, and that does not mean that we do not corporate with the medical science, with the medical field that we do not in many times take the operation. That does not mean anything about that at all.  No time does the Bible ever say that taking medication or going to doctors or cooperating with the doctors is a sign of doubt and in belief. And so in many cases it is going to be medical science and your faith working together that creates the changes in our lives. And I run into a lot of people that think that going to doctors taking medicines, just shows a lack of faith. It is not a sign of lack in faith. The Bible says that if you have the power in your hand to do good and you hold it well then that is wrong. And so if we have the power to cooperate with the doctors then cooperate with the doctors, but in the meantime keep the switch of faith turned on.

SID:  Now you also said that there was a third ingredient and that is rather than making it a formula, yielding to the Holy Spirit in each specific instance.

DOUG:  Yes,

SID:  What do you mean by that?

DOUG:  We need to be led by the Spirit of God, the Spirit of God can guide you through passages that what will I call, “tweak” your beliefs; causes your beliefs to be more fined tuned.  Many times the Spirit of God will direct you; maybe through a teaching or maybe through a tape or maybe through a pastor that can bring you to the point to where you need to be. The Spirit of God, the Bible says in John 14 and John 16, will guide you and lead you into all truth. He will teach you all things, so we need to be sensitive to the Spirit of God.

SID:  Speaking being sensitive to the Spirit of God, I tell you right now that the Spirit of God is increasing your faith to believe, there is a healing anointing that is going to pour out of your television, get ready get in place, Doug pray.

DOUG:  Father in the name of Jesus, we just thank you father, that you have supplied healing on us through the death burial resurrection father through your son and through his crucifixion the healing power of God was made available to man kind. Because you knew that we were going to need healing long before we ever knew that sickness could be acquired. And so father we thank you that in Jesus name as we pray that the healing power of God is being administered to everybody, to every single individual that needs healing we thank you father…

SID:  Doug, I just feel that I have to interrupt you right now and I just want you to take your hand and put it on your body because he is going to because the Bible says that those that believe in the name of Jesus will lay hands on the sick and they will recover. Will, will, will!  Go ahead continue.

DOUG:  Yes and so in father Jesus name we just thank you that your healing power is administered now and we command every body to be healed from the top of  their head to the soles of  their feet, the healing power of God be administered to your body. And so because we believe that we received when we prayed, father we thank you  for your goodness, we thank you father that it is working mightily within each body and father from this point on we believe that we received we believe that we are recovering now in the name of Jesus. And father we thank you for those things giving you the glory and giving you the praise because each day will be a better day. Each day father will be a pain free day, and father we thank you that in Jesus name that your power is at work within our bodies in the name of Jesus amen.

SID:  And for those that did not have the instant manifestation, tell them what to do between now and the manifestation occurs look in the camera and tell them.

DOUG:  Believing that we are receiving when we pray, Mark 11 verse 24, with the spirit of Thanksgiving, father thank you that your power is at work within my body, every time that you think of it, it maybe when you take that medicine out of the cabinet you know take your daily dose, it maybe when you take the shot, it maybe when you walk into the doctors office every time you think of it say with your mouth let your words be heard. Paul said I believed and therefore I have spoken.  We also believe and therefore speak.  It is time to get to start speaking what we are believing.  We believe that we receive the power of God is working mightily and father we believe were we have conquered the whole fancier confession until you are satisfied with the fruit produced.

SID:  You know of the things that Doug and I are so excited about that yes God’s laws are true God’s words are true, but you can’t approach it legalistically you have to approach it in the Spirit and yield to the Spirit of God. And that is why I have to yield to the Spirit of God right now and tell you that there are people who have hearing problems ringing in the ears any type of hearing difficulty you are being healed right now. There are people with horrible horrific neck and back problems if you will bend over move your head you will see, Doug one of the most exciting miracles that you have see in healing school tell me about it.

DOUG:  I suppose probably the most exciting one was a lady, this one was through a word of knowledge a lady had a tumor on her back about the size of an egg, and through a word of knowledge that was called out and she was healed instantly.

SID:  Now did anyone see this happen?

DOUG:  Some ladies took her back and  found that it was gone, absolutely completely gone, and so that was a tremendous blessing, tremendous miracle, but that is once again the gift of healings, we have had many people that believed that they have received held fast of  their confession of faith and healed of cancer many of them. And so the issue is once again you hold fast with the word of God, you operate within the word of God, and results will occur it’s when we start getting so taken up with our problems, that we become distracted with our problems that we become a hearer of the word and not a doer. I will never forget I was teaching a healing school one day and I had drawn a mountain on the chalkboard and I was taking with Mark 11:23, speak into your mountain. And the lord said to me he said there are people in this room that are so taken so captivated by  their mountain, they forgot what I told them to do about  their mountain.

SID:  How about you, is that you? You are so captivated by your symptoms, well let me tell you something a Greek scholar recently said something to me that was so exciting, were the word of God says if you believe you will receive, the word receive in Greek actually means something stronger it means take. If you believe then you should do what I told you at the top of the show, reach your hand into the visibly realm and take what is rightfully yours, what our messiah died for why for only one reason he loves you he calls you special he calls you a man a woman with destiny, with purpose see you have been called to the kingdom for such a time as this. And he not only wants you to walk in divine health he wants you to lay hands on the sick and have them walk in divine health why? Because a miracle demands the fact that God had shown up and demands the confrontation of will I continue to be a sinner, and live with the devil, or will I repent of my sin and say I am linking with you Jesus the choice is yours, choose this day with whom you will serve. Serve the living God.

SID:  Hello Sid Roth your investigative reporter here with Doug Jones, and I will tell you what if you put a string on me I am going to fly. The presence of God is strong on this set right now that I absolutely believe that all things are possible to those that believe. Doug, you are talking about keys that are so important but you told me a story when I interviewed you on the radio; that you know sometimes oatmeal would stick to your ribs.

DOUG:  Yes,

SID:  This has stuck with me and I know that you were very close with Doctor Kenneth Hagin who is now in heaven. And he tells a story actually it was never published it was in an unpublished manuscript that you had read that meant so much to me, please tell us that.

DOUG:  He talks about a little, a little child that was brought to him in a prayer line both feet were clubbed feet, both feet were deformed. And the child was brought into the prayer line and so Brother Hagin has been praying for the sick and actually had a blind woman that had been blind for three years, actually be healed through that prayer line. And so after that prayer line was over with Brother Hagin took that little child and actually took those clubbed feet actually put him in his hands, and laid hands upon those clubbed feet and prayed. And went ahead and prayed the prayer of faith, and believed that they received, and what happened was he opened up his hands and both feet are still the same, both feet are clubbed feet he went ahead and laid his hands upon those feet one more time, praying and looked up and told the couple, I am telling you I have a stronger anointing right now to minister to these clubbed feet then I did with the blind woman who was healed out there in front ago.

SID:  And yet the clubbed feet are the same.

DOUG:  And yet the clubbed feet are the same. That healing power was administered to this child’s body that healing power was administered I know it I felt it go out of my hands. That healing power actually went out of my hands into these child’s clubbed feet. And he said these words to him, keep the switch of faith turned on, every time you think of it say the healing power of God was ministered Thursday night to our child’s feet. And it is in there working mightily.

SID:  But what do most people do, they say oh the clubbed feet are still there, I guess it didn’t work; I got to find another healing line.

DOUG:  That is exactly right, but Brother Hagin said keep the switch of faith turned on, it’s the first time that I can find were he uses that phrase.  And he defines it, and the definition of the switch of faith is the belief that the power has been ministered and that it is working mightily.  And for years Brother Hagin has used that phrase “Keep the switch of faith turned on.” “Keep the switch of faith turned on.”  He would use it after praying for the sick. Well what is the switch of faith, he said it every time you think of it say the healing power of God has been ministered to these feet and is in there working mightily. So they went home and they did just what Brother Hagin told them to do and about a week later they had brought the child back to the church, brother Hagin had already gone his way, gone to another meeting but they had brought the child back to the church were brother Hagin had prayed for them showed the child, both feet were completely normal. They were healed, simply because they kept the switch of faith turned on.

SID:  How easily they could of stopped.

DOUG:  Yes sir,

SID:  And literally aborted the seed that healed the anointing that is what we are praying for, that healing anointing to come inside of us.

DOUG:  And it is anointing, it is the healing power of God. That is what it is and it is ministered every time someone lays hands upon you. Because obedience always releases the power any time, any time you have a promise…

SID:  Does it matter whether it is a Doug Jones that lays hands on you, or John Q. Christian next door?

DOUG:  No it does not. That is my point any time anyone acts upon the word of God anytime anyone acts upon a…

SID:  It doesn’t matter if I take my hand and put it on myself.

DOUG:  It does not matter; it does not matter. You are acting on a promise, and the moment you act on a promise the healing power is always released there is power contained with every promise there is life contained in every promise his word is full of power and life and every time you act on a promise, then the power or the life within the promise is released within your life. That is the reason why when Peter acted on the word come and stepped outside that boat he is acting on a promise and the moment he stepped out he is releasing the power with the word come. And it has such power that it can defy the laws of nature and all of a sudden Peter steps out onto that water and he’s got solid out from underneath his foot; simply because he acted on the word of God. Any time you act on the word of God, power is always released

SID:  Okay I am going to have you in a moment pray the prayer of faith for the sick. Let’s assume that some people instantly have miracles and they will.

DOUG:  And that is fine.

SID:  And let’s assume that some people don’t; what should they say…

DOUG:  Keep the switch of faith turned on.

SID:  Again how?

DOUG:  I believe that the power is in my body and I believe it is working mightily. See the Bible says Jesus says that we are to believe to receive.

SID:  Every time you have a doubt you should be saying that out loud or?

DOUG:  Yes sir, out loud yes sir. And that is a huge issue we cannot win the battle of the mind by being silent we must use our mouth and it is time we start using our mouth when it comes to those doubts. Nope the Bible says they shall lay hands upon the sick and they shall recover. I believe that I recovered, I believe that I received, I believe that the healing power of God is in my body is working mightily and we are saying that until we are satisfied with the fruit produced. And it doesn’t matter whether it takes two weeks, two days, two hours, it does not matter.

SID:  What about two years?

DOUG:  You stay true to your beliefs.

SID:  Okay have I got some news for you, Doug is going to pray this supernatural prayer of faith in just a moment when we come back.  But I’ve got a free bee for you, it is called the word of knowledge, and you see the presence of God is running through your body right now and I tell you that every bone every arthritic condition every pain in your body whether it is your neck or your back or your hip or your little toes or your fingers if you will move right now it is a free bee it’s yours be healed in Yeshua that’s Hebrew for Jesus name, we will be right back in a moment and you start turning that switch of faith on right now get ready it’s coming, it’s coming.

SID:  Hello Sid Roth your investigative reporter here with Doug Jones and again I am so excited. The reason is, is that I got a hold of two of his teaching books and I had heard about Doug for many years. But he has a supernatural gift of teaching that allows people to reach into the invisible realm and literally take, literally appropriate the healing that God has for them.  Doug you taught at Rhema Bible College which you do right now at the school.  You have led the healing room, you actually became very close to Kenneth Hagin; at one point you even lived with him, what is in your opinion the number one reason people are not healed today?  People that know that God heals, but it’s the grandmother that might say, “God works in mysterious ways that we don’t understand.”

DOUG:  Yeah, it is really a lack of knowledge.  The Bible says very plainly that we will be destroyed from lack of knowledge. In Isaiah chapter 5:13 he talks about the fact that we are going to captivity because we have no knowledge; and there is a particular type of knowledge that we need to have in order to obtain healing.  You know as well as I do Sid that people are going to receive healing through two avenues one is going to be the gifts of the spirits; manifestation of the workings of miracles, the gifts of healings, through words of knowledge.

SID:  But unfortunately that doesn’t happen to everyone.

DOUG:  No I agree, because that is as the Holy Ghost wills.

SID:  I wish that the Holy Spirit would will for every single person, I mean that is the way that I would like it to be. But the truth is I go to meetings and some people have spectacular miracles and the others go home and say what is wrong with me God?

DOUG:  But, well see, the other avenue through which we receive healing is through faith. It’s through being taught the word of God, obtain certain beliefs and allowing those beliefs to govern their lives until they are satisfied with the fruit produced.  The main belief that people must have; most people have been prayed for; most people have desired prayer because they desire to be healed because they have been prayed for. But they have never stepped into that realm of believing that they received when they prayed. Jesus said in Mark 11:24 what things you desire when you pray and believe that you receive them and you shall have them.

SID:  But I have heard a lot of people say that ‘I believed that I have received it’ and then if you listen to them long enough, 24 hours later they say ‘I think I received it.’  And they’re not saying that, but the fact it’s almost like a mental thing rather than a spiritual thing.

DOUG:  Very true, because if we believe we receive when we pray; first of all we wouldn’t be stepping into every prayer line offered to us.  Because when I received the last time, the time last Sunday night when I was prayed for, I believed that the power of God was administered into my body and it is in there working mightily.  And from that point on there’s nothing to do but to say thank you Father.  Thank you that the power is in my body working mightily.  Most people do not believe that they have received the healing power of God when it was ministered to them.  They don’t believe that they received it.

SID:  I don’t know whether you have seen this, but I have seen people prayed for, I have prayed for people, and they walk away.   I see what they are doing; they are examining their body and their symptoms are still there.   And what goes through their mind, I am not healed.

DOUG:  Brother Hagin would always say this “The instant I lay my hands upon you the healing power of God will be administered to your body, but what you do with it after that is up to you.” And so what happens is, is so many people today are so taken up with, what I am going to get is my manifestation when that man lays hands on me man my manifestation is going to be given to me and that is going to be the end of it. And when they don’t get their manifestation, because in essence what God gives the sick when hands are laid upon them, is the healing power of God. Sid the Bible says they should lay hands…

SID:  That is very interesting what you just said. You just said something that is so important, what they receive is the healing power of God they think they are receiving

DOUG:   Their manifestation.

SID:  Yes, oh big difference.

DOUG:  Big difference and so the woman with the issue of blood she came and pressed down toward the hem of his garment, touched his hem.  Jesus known himself the virtue thrown out of him; that word virtue is power in Mark 5.  And so that means then she came to get her healing, but what she received was healing power. The healing power of God has to be administered first before it will ever receive the manifestation.  But what has happened is, is that we have become so focused on the manifestation that we have chosen not to believe that we have received when we prayed. The very fact that he tells you to believe that you receive when you pray, indicates to me that you are not going to receive something that is tangible to the touch. Perceptible by sight it is going to be something that is ministered inwardly unperceptive to the touch. That healing power of God is administered to the root of that problem.

SID:  So what you are saying to me whether they are feeling anything or not it is happening.

DOUG:  Yes sir that is exactly what I am saying.

SID:  And we get faked out because we don’t feel something.

DOUG:  Yes sir, and then what happens is we neglect what we did receive; we received the healing power of God the moment the hands are laid upon us. But because we have got our eyes focused on “well, where’s my manifestation?” then we neglect the power of God that is in us; and therefore it just sits there laying dormant with our lives.  It’s possible for things to be given to us by the laying of the hands, to lay in us dormant inactive. Remember over there in 1 Timothy chapter 4 Paul tells Timothy neglect not the gift that is in thee, neglect not the gift that is in thee. You can neglect gifts that are in thee which was given to thee by prophecy with the laying under the hands of the presbytery.  But you meditate upon these things and give yourself wholly unto them; that your property may appear unto all. Now I know that verse is not talking about healing power but it is talking about something that is received through the laying of hands. It was a spiritual gift, and if you can neglect a spiritual gift, well then you can neglect the healing power of God that was administered to you through the laying of hands. It can just lay in there dormant, and so the issue for us is, is to first of all make people aware of the fact that the healing power of God is administered to their bodies. Sid we’re having people fall out under the power of God; laying prostrate on the floor because they walk away, boy the power was sure are having people fall out under the power of God laying prostate on the there tonight. We are having people feel the power of God go out of  their hands we are actually having people today feel the power of God going into them, well it felt like electricity, well it just felt like warm honey just kind of flowing all over me. And so we are falling out by this, we are having hands lay upon us that actually felt it go out of their hands and into the sick. We are actually having people feel the power of God go into their bodies and yet they are walking away and saying I didn’t get anything.

SID:  So something is missing we are about ready to understand this.  That is what I believe light bulbs are going on right now, and I believe that before this show is over you are going to receive the miracle you have been asking God for, it is yours, don’t go away.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Ken and Jeanne Harrington. And, you know, in the times we’re living in people are losing jobs or they’re being downgraded or demoted. And God works with you on understanding Kingdom Principles through job situations. Tell me about the Randy story.

KEN: I had been working for this young fellow that was not as experienced as I was, but he ended up being my foreman. And our job was running down. I got a call to go work at a mine and to bring somebody with me. So I decided I’m gonna bring Randy along. And we drove out together, filled out the application form. I handed my in. He handed his in. And then the secretary, in the process of just assigning our ID numbers, gave him a lower number, which didn’t mean anything to me, except he now had seniority over me, even though I was the one that had brought him along. Well something happened at the job that they needed to try and deal with a few things and it was gonna result in some layoffs, and so Randy got laid off. But because he had seniority he bumped me, even though I had gotten him the job.

SID: But that’s not fair.

KEN: Well it’s not fair, no. And I was upset. But in the process we decided we’d start a company. Well that company has produced in the last 20 years between three and four million dollars. So even though it was not something good that happened, God turned it to good. And this is–

SID: But how did you react when that occurred?

KEN: Well I was upset originally. But then I started to see the hand of God in it. And I actually ended up going back to work for them. They rehired me in about four months. Then we got laid off again, the two of us, this time. They eliminated our job. And I felt actually to take Randy with me on another job where he was working for me.

SID: How could you do that? He just took your place.

KEN: Because God told me to. So I had to say there was something more he wanted to work out. Well what happened was he hadn’t changed and he stabbed me in the back again, and I lost my standing in this particular company. But what God was actually doing for me was He was allowing Randy to work out something in me, which was my independence and my doing it my way where I actually had to start to trust God that even when all these bad things go wrong, he’s in control. Don’t worry about it. And the end was that I was able to actually witness to him at one time, and because he knew had hurt so many times he was able to listen and respond.

SID: Did he receive the Lord?

KEN: Yes he did. I don’t say he walked out really great, but he actually did make a confession.

SID: But the difference is that you flowed with the spirit of God rather than being a hard head by using Kingdom Principles.

KEN: Part of the Kingdom Principle is you don’t have to protect yourself. That’s God’s job.

SID: Okay. Jeanne, you prayed for at least five people with tumors that they’ve disappeared. Tell me about that.

JEANNE: One year, five people were diagnosed with brain tumors in our church body, and I would pray for them. And as soon as I laid hands I believe that they were healed, totally healed, there was no brain tumor. One of them is Lyle S.. And he sent in just recently an email, and he had been diagnosed with a brain tumor, and he had it on the pituitary gland, and he was scheduled for an operation. They could see it. And I met him in the hallway and I said, “I don’t believe you have tumor.” And he said, “But the doctor said.” I said, “I don’t believe you have a tumor.” And I prayed for him. And there was no tumor when he went back. And so I believe sometimes God sets us up. Will we believe Him or will we believe the doctor, or what we see? And we’ve got to move into this higher realm. We’ve got to move into the supernatural and start believing God’s word. And I believe there’s people out there that have been diagnosed with diseases, and God wants to heal you. He wants to touch you. He wants to set you free from that disease.

KEN: The interesting thing about what Jeanne is saying, she’s not saying they weren’t sick. She’s not denying that. But Jesus said in the scriptures, “By his stripes you were healed.” So the healing is the truth. The sickness is the facts. But the facts aren’t always the truth. If I can give you an example, this table, is it real? Well yes, of course it’s real. But what was it a hundred years ago?

SID: A tree.

KEN: Yeah. And what’s it gonna be in another hundred years?

SID: Soil.

KEN: Right. It will turn into something else. So even though at this slice of time it is really a table, it is something that’s in transition. The Bible says that the eternal things never change. So we have a sickness that is a fact at this slice of time. We have a healing, which is the truth. What we need to do is to be able to transition the sickness into the truth. Jesus says, “I am the truth.” He didn’t ever change it. So if he says you’re healed, it doesn’t matter what the facts say, that you can, if you can shift your way of thinking to agreeing with him, he can bring that truth to overcome the facts.

JEANNE: And I see somebody out there right now. You’ve been flipping through the stations and you think you’re here by accident. You are here by the destiny of God. This is your appointed time. You’ve been having problems with your left knee and right now the Holy Spirit is touching you and healing it. There’s someone out there that’s really depressed. You feel like is it ever gonna change for me? I can’t take my life any more. It will change. God loves you. He loves you so much He sent His son for you. And He is going to cause change to come into your life. And God says, “I am for you, not against you. I have plans for your life.” And there’s someone that’s had severe headaches. You’ve had migraines. Right now they’re going. Right now they’re going in Jesus’ name.

SID: You know what I noticed? I’m an observer of the Holy Spirit. The moment you started praying there was a tangible presence of God. And isn’t it true that if you have the tangible presence of God and the Word of God that it’s like a chemical equation? It materializes. It’s the truth. That’s what you were talking about, Ken. It’s the truth. And I’m gonna tell you the truth right now. Here is the truth. You do not need an angel to show up in front of you with a big sign saying “Danger”. All you need is the truth. And Jesus said, “I am the way, the life and the truth. No man can come to the Father except through the son.” If you will, someone’s headache has just lifted in Jesus’ name. In fact in the head, whatever you need in the head area right now, hearing ears opened, deaf spirits leave, eyesight be restored, back be restored. Here’s the truth. Tell Jesus you’re sorry for your mistakes. Believe the blood of Jesus washes them away. And then say, “Jesus, I make you my Lord. Live inside of me.” And start living in the truth. Don’t live in something that will be a hundred years from now and won’t even exist. Stick with the truth. I like that. Don’t you?

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Ken and Jeanne Harrington. And some of these principles that are Kingdom Principles, Ken, they’re hard. For instance, you said that if someone is 1% right and I’m 99% right, well I should not have to repent to them. I shouldn’t have to say I’m sorry. But a Kingdom Principle is you humble yourself. But that’s very hard to do, Ken.

KEN: The humbling is designed not to make you lower. In fact, it’s to bring you to a higher place. Jesus said that if you go into a point of law to deciding who’s right and who’s wrong, that if the accuser accuses you, what are you supposed to do? You’re supposed to agree with him. So for even for that 1%, because if I go to law and it says, no I’m 99% right, Jesus said that if the accuser gets you to the judge, he says you’ll be found guilty and you’ll be put in prison. Well why? Well the principle is, yeah, I may be 99% right here, but I am 1% wrong, and he gets to get me. The law is made up of ten links. There’s only one law, ten links. All I have to do if I’m wrong in one, I’m wrong in them all. So I will come under really a judgment in that sense. What I need to do is I need to agree, ask God to forgive me, apply the forgiveness and say, yes, I’m wrong, but it doesn’t matter. But if I try to justify myself now I’m guilty.

SID: You know what it does though? It gives you such freedom, such power when you can walk in that type of supernatural humility. Ken and Jeanne, you were counseling a couple. Give me a real life illustration.

JEANNE: Well we had a couple of couples. All of a sudden their marriages blew up. And so we were trying to help them. And one day we had two families in our house that we were babysitting and feeding, and trying to manage all the damage that–

KEN: Counseling in two different rooms at the same time.

JEANNE: All the damage the enemy had done and we allowed one of the wives to really express herself to her husband the anger she felt. And I told her to take a pillow and just give him a whack. And the husband took great offense to it and said that we were very poor counselors. And the other one had situations with adultery, another family. And we started getting attacked on our counseling methods and what was going on, and we couldn’t justify ourselves. And I had to repent for what I did do.

KEN: We couldn’t justify because we couldn’t expose what we were dealing with.

JEANNE: And then in the end everything settled out and the people became very good friends of ours, and a strong connection and bond, and their families, their marriages are all in tact. So it’s worthwhile.

SID: So because you followed the Kingdom Principle, their marriage was in tact, your friendship was in tact. I like these Kingdom Principles.

KEN: They work.

SID: Now angel. Tell me about the angel.

JEANNE: I was driving home through the mountains and through the forest in the park in northern Alberta. And on the way I was listening to Bible tapes, looked out my window and saw two large beings. They looked like hitchhikers, but they were sort of translucent. There was something really different, and they had a great big sign that said “Danger”. But immediately the tape I was listening to quoted Psalm 103:20 that says, “The angels are there to perform the Word of God.” So I thought “Danger”, I’d better invite them in. I invited them in and I just felt this presence come into the car. And this big tankard truck, double trailer, brand new shiny, came and passed me on the road. Now there were very few cars on the road, very remote place. And we were driving along and he turned off to Highway 22 where I was supposed to turn off. And all of a sudden I felt like let’s stop at the rest area and take the little dog for a walk. And then well let’s go into the next town and gas up even though we didn’t need gas. Let’s have a soda. And then we came back to go on Highway 22, and I’m remembering “Danger”. I haven’t seen any danger. So I start quoting Psalm 39, “That God would protect and the pit, the net of destruction that enemies plant for us, it will reverse on his head.” So as I’m driving along Highway 22, we left sunshine, and all of a sudden a torrential rain started. And I’m thinking, oh the enemy’s got a plan. So I slowed down, just kept praying, praying. All of a sudden I see all of the flashing lights. The emergency trucks are there. That tankard truck tipped over across the highway and rolled. Had we been following him like we were supposed to do we would have been totally in an accident. So we could rejoice that God helped us, warned us, told us there was danger, and prevented the accident.

SID: I have to believe that God gave you that warning because He wanted to keep you alive. I have to believe He wanted to keep them alive because some of the supernatural Kingdom Principles you’re going to learn. Be right back after this word.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My guests, Ken and Jeanne Harrington, Jeanne, you had, was it a vision or a dream of a tsunami coming to the United States of America and Canada, but it wasn’t a tsunami in the natural. It was a tsunami in the supernatural. Explain, Jeanne.

JEANNE: It was a dream about a big wave of God that’s going to move across Canada and the United States, and many people are gonna come to know God in a powerful way. I was, all of a sudden plopped into the ocean. And all of a sudden I’m on a surfboard, and I look behind me, and first of all, I’m afraid because I don’t surf, and this huge wave comes up and it picks me up and it takes me right to the shore. Then it picks me up again, plops on the wave again, but people are mocking and laughing, and I’m turned backwards, but I spin around the right way and go right to the end. And it happens again and again. And I really feel that it’s about God’s move that’s coming, a powerful move that we’re not gonna make mistakes on. It doesn’t matter what people think about us. But there’s gonna be a move that’s gonna come in and release the glory of God for the salvation of many.

SID: And you know what? The thing that I love about this vision that Jeanne had is that it wasn’t the superstar. Explain.

JEANNE: No. I’m just an ordinary person and my husband was in the dream, and another fellow, and we’re just ordinary people. But God’s gonna use everyone, everyone in the end. He wants to have all of us reach out to our neighbors, to our loved ones to tell about God.

SID: Now Ken, tell me about the supernatural visitation you had where for 45 minutes you were downloaded the information of your book, “Shift: Moving from the Natural to the Supernatural”.

KEN: I was working in a construction camp in northern Alberta and about 10:00 at night I was just ready to go to bed, and suddenly the Holy Spirit just started to bring words up into my mind, and I got up real quick, and I started to write it down. And I realized as I was writing I was actually getting chapters of a book. And I get the chapter. I get the outline. I got everything I needed in 45 minutes. I was writing as fast as I could just to keep up. And I had never written a book before. I wasn’t ready to be published. I didn’t understand what was going on, but I knew I had to finish this off. So once the download was done then I just flashed it out and put it to work.

SID: I believe the revelation that you had is so important. I have to tell you, I read a lot of books. I interview a lot of people. But I believe because of the revelation that Jeanne had of the tsunami coming and that God wants to use everyone in the supernatural is why you got this revelation. What is the passion of this revelation? What is God trying to show people?

KEN: He wants us to shift the way we think. We’ve been so used to functioning in the natural realm, and our reasoning has been molded by the events in our life. But what God wants to do is, Sid, there’s another realm, there’s another way of thinking, and the emphasis of the book is to shift that thinking so that we actually step into see things the way God sees things, and that will allow us then to do the things that God does.

SID: Well you see, in the 1940s there was a great move of God’s spirit in these tent revivalists with great miracles were all over. But most of them failed. They had the miracles, but they hadn’t developed the character. They hadn’t developed the servanthood. And I don’t hear enough teaching about this any more. This is what I’m getting. I have to tell you, I’m getting under such conviction when I start to feel angry over something I have to check myself out. What is the source of that anger? Is it that little pimple that I’m looking at or is there something deeper? Like for instance, the time that you got upset with Jeanne because she wanted you to, she’s what 5-foot, what?

JEANNE: One or two.

SID: Five-foot-one or two, and you can’t reach the top shelf.

JEANNE: No.

SID: So what’s wrong with asking your husband to reach the top shelf?

KEN: What was wrong was I had a wrong thinking in my brain. We end up forming judgments that really lock us into a thinking pattern. It’s like a rut in the road, and you drop a tire in the rut, and you actually can’t get out of that rut if it’s deep enough. Well our thought patterns are like that, too. We develop ruts in neural pathways, however you want to say it. And I had developed one over the years that came to fruit in my wife. It actually started with my mother. And when I found myself reacting and I’m mumbling under my voice, you know, kind of, “Leave me alone” to her when she asked me to reach something, I thought, man, there’s something wrong there. And so we started to pray and say, “God, show us what was wrong.” And He brought me back to my mother at the same age that Jeanne was. I saw myself, I was about 15 or 16, and I watched my father sit down after coming home after a long day in the fields, working on the farm, and she was trying to be relational, get him to interact with him, and he was sort of an isolated type of gentleman, and was watching TV, kind of half falling asleep, and she’d call him, “Bob, come up and get this.” And he’d get up and go do it. Then he’d sit down and five minutes later, “Bob, come and get this.” And I remember the thought coming into my head, “Leave him alone. You’re gonna kill him.” Well it’s crazy, but most of our judgments actually are kind of goofy.

SID: And that’s what I found out, that they really, you see here’s the thing. It’s these judgments are not in line with the spiritual truth book, the Bible. And when they’re not in line they’re crazy. At most, judgments are crazy.

KEN: Yeah. And so this judgment I had, well men are suppose to be the stronger one. The women are the weaker vessel, the Bible says. But women outlive us ten years. Well what happens? They get us to do all the work and it kills us. And that judgment then manifested itself when Jeanne reached my mom’s age and when I made it, it only took a matter of a day or two of once we identified it, praying it, and all that went away.

SID: Jeanne, what difference did it make to you when he changed?

JEANNE: It made an immediate difference because he then started opening the car doors, taking my coat, reaching for things as soon as he broke it. But he had to repent of his sin.

SID: That’s what’s so amazing. You are a prototype of someone that has had experience after experience of changing your thinking. And why is the thinking important to be changed? Because you need a new lion skin to contain the glory of the tsunami wave of God’s spirit. Now God showed you your own heart. Here you are a believer in the Messiah and you love God with all of your heart, but what did He show you about your heart?

JEANNE: My heart’s deceitfully wicked. At one time God started to reveal my heart to me and I cried for two weeks straight. And I taught Sunday school. I was active in church. I love God with all my heart. And one day I cried for six hours straight when I saw how deceitfully wicked my heart was.

SID: Ken, when she was crying, could you understand it when she said, “My heart is deceitful”?

KEN: No, not so much at that time. But she reminded me that your turn will come, and it did.

SID: I’m gonna tell you something. God is preparing us and I’m so excited. He’s preparing us for visitations of angels. We’ll talk about an angel. Don’t go away. A real angel.

SID:  Hello, Sid Roth your investigative reporter here with LEIF Hetland.  There is a bankruptcy in this land; it is a bankruptcy of the love of the father.  And the truth is Almighty God has more than enough to go around.  Leif, I want you to tell us the way God intended things to be, not the way they became, but what did He intend for us? 

LEIF:  well, in the book of beginning, and we call it a book of Genesis, and I know both my Jewish friends, Muslim friends, Christian friends, and even most atheists know the story, even if they have a different view of how God created mankind. After six and one-half days of God creating everything that our five senses can experience, He came to the highlight of His creation.  He created mankind, and He did it in His own image.  He wanted Adam to reflect how God looks like.  God, a perfect God, created a perfect man He didn’t need that, for a perfect reason, to live in intimacy, to live in relationship.  the first thing that Adam ever saw was the face of God.  The first voice he ever heard was the voice of his father, the first experience he had was the presence of his father.  And then he was placed in a place called Eden, and it means pleasure, in the pleasure of the Father.  That was the Father heart of God, for every person in the world, God wanted them to experience first of all, to hear His voice, to be able to see His face, to live in His presence, to be able to experience His pleasure and He had provided six days of creation everything that was good for mankind and to live in such a relationship with God, and eventually to multiply and to be able to display, for the whole world to be able to see how God looks like, by looking at mankind.  But then we know fall came in, sin came in, and we have all been affected by it.  We have heard of story after story of people that have even been on your program how sin and Satan have destroyed their lives, and I am sure that there are people even watching right now that know it, and they have experienced the consequences of it.  The good side, and the good news that I have for every single one Jesus is also called the second Adam, He came as a way, as a truth, and He came as a life.  He took all of the shame, all the drugs, all the pain, all the sins upon Himself, so that we could get the new report card, so that we could get back again into the original intent of Father God.  So that we again have access to how god intended it to be from the book of the beginning where we can experience His love, we can experience His peace, we can experience His presence, hear his voice.  He said, “My sheep hear my voice.”  To be able to experience His pleasure His pleasure that is what God wants. 

SID:  So what happens if someone says “Leif Hetland, you are a no good son of a gun, I don’t like you, I don’t like anything about you.  What do you feel?  Do you feel anger towards that person?  What do you feel?    

LEIF:  No I do not feel anger.  I have heard people say that and I say when you get squeezed, it is like if I had an orange in my hand right now, Sid, and I squeezed it, what is in it is coming out.  And what I have seen again and again, I’ve had people, I’ve had a broken back and neck, and I’ve had people with guns to my head, they want to kill me, because that I represent a God of love, I am an ambassador for Him, so with all these scars on my body, what is in you is coming out.  And that has surprised many different people, again and again, that no matter how they hurt or cuss or try to be able to squeeze me, what is in me is coming out.  And it is love that is the fruit; that is the evidence that what I am talking about is not just a theory, it’s not a theology; it is an experience. 

SID:  Would you ever go back to the way you were? 

LEIF:  Never, never.  I would not change what I have for anything else in the world.  I am a lover; that is my identity.   

SID:  Okay.  How about you?  Is there a love deficit in your life?  Be honest.  Yes.  Do you go sort of like with the waves, one day you’ll feel good with God, the next day you don’t feel good.  How would you like to be steady?  You can’t get any greater security than to experience God’s love.  There is no greater security in this earth.  Leif, would you pray for the people right now. 

LEIF:  I would love to.  Just wanted to mention to all of you who are watching, all you need to do is just to relax, and just to receive.  And I’m going to just pray for you right now.  Father God, First of all I thank you that you are a God of love.  And I thank you that you love every single person that is watching, that is listening.  You loved us so much that You gave Your only begotten Son, Jesus Christ.  You loved every person so much that You were willing to sacrifice the most valuable thing for You, so that every person that is watching could experience intimacy, experiencing love, experiencing peace, in the heart.  I ask right now for every person watching that they are going to be able to experience, no matter what painful things they have had in their life, healing, wholeness, and the love of God, I ask that Jesus Christ will come in and they will get the new report card, no longer being a drug addict, but now being a Jesus addict.  No longer looking at the wrong report card, but listen to the true voice of God, because of the experience that they are feeling right now as the Holy Spirit is moving upon them with love.  Come Holy Spirit and move with the love of God so every person can feel and experience that what we’ve talked about is truth, and the truth will set us free.  In the name of Jesus I pray, Amen. 

SID:  You know, Leif, I can feel such a sweet presence of the Holy Spirit.  Many of you have had fathers that were not present or not present emotionally, and you were not affirmed by your father.  I want to speak on behalf of God right now to you, and tell you what God thinks of you.  When God looks at you, He loves you as much as He loves Jesus.  When God looks at you, assuming you have repented of your sins, turned from them, and asked for His forgiveness, He says you are righteous.  You are as righteous as Jesus.  That means you can come in Father God’s presence, there is nothing separating you.  When He looks at you, remember I told you, I see God taking over where my mother left off.  He beams; I can see my mother right now just beaming, and so proud of her son.  Well I tell you that’s what God is doing for you right now.  He is beaming.  What you are experiencing right now is God’s love.  There is something so special with feeling God’s love.  With recognizing you don’t have to do a thing for God, I didn’t have to do anything for my mother to love me, and even when I did some bad things she still loved me, Leif.  And I tell you that God is pure love.  And you have enemies, but your enemy isn’t God, He is your only friend.  And some of you have been turned off because of religion, and because of religious people.  Well, you can be turned off and bitter your whole life or you can come to the only one worth coming to; the one that believes in you.  Have you ever thought that there is someone that has all power, and He believes in you, and He is for you, and He has a destiny that He has given you? A fingerprint that no human in all of history has ever had; that He says every hair on your head is numbered, and not two sparrows fall to the ground without Him being aware of it, and of how much more value are you than a sparrow, than a bird.  Repent your sins, tell God you are sorry, believe the blood of Jesus washed them away and you are clean.  Then say, “Jesus become real.  Come inside.  I want to know You; I need You as my best friend.    

SID:  Hello, Sid Roth your investigative reporter here with Leif Hetland.  There’s a story that we’re all familiar with, it’s called the prodigal son.  You remember it, the younger brother takes his inheritance, squanders it, and then comes to his senses and comes back home and is accepted by the father.  And the older brother is kind of uncomfortable over it.  But Leif, you told me the Spirit of God gave you a different understanding there. 

LEIF:  Yeah, because I think that most of us in religion would focus on the story as, we call the story; the Bible calls the story, the story of the prodigal son.    

SID:  So you focus on the son. 

LEIF:  We focus on the prodigal son.  We would rather focus on the failure of man, than the faithfulness of God.  The story is not about a prodigal son, it is actually about the loving father, that had two sons, and He gave His inheritance to both of them.  Two sons, one was rebellious, and he had this heart that I used to have, and I think that most children in America and the western world, “give me, give me,” where we value God, we value our parents; we value our system for what it is going to do for us.  And the result was that he squandered this up in a distant land, and he ended up in the pigpen.  And I have been in the pigpen, suicidal, drug addict, and I know how it is to be so far away from God which seems like there is no way back.  But there was a loving father that had never forgotten about his son that was looking for his son.  And then the story is about another brother.  And somehow we have a tendency, we think that is a great story about this drug, addict, this pimp, or this prostitute, or this bad person.  But there is another brother also in this story.  And the thing that amazes me, especially because that is the religious brother, and there is a lot of good religious people, I used to be one of them, good Southern Baptist pastor.  But I also know good, religious Muslims, religious Jews; religious Hindus.  This religious brother he was out on the field doing all these things for God, and somehow he had never experienced the party that God wanted him to have.  God the Father, God, God of love, the Bible says, he was also looking for him and saying, when he came and he complained, “Why don’t I get to experience all of these incredible things.”  He didn’t realize that there was also provision.  That the third son that the story does not talk about he is the one that is telling the story.  His name is Jesus Christ.   He had an invitation for the second son, the religious son, also to come home to a God of love, a father of love, to experiencing love, to experiencing intimacy, to experiencing relationship, to experiencing the food that was on the table.  The Bible talks just a little bit of the fruit that was on the table.  Love, joy, peace, patience; all the things that we all are looking for that is just some of the benefits that is in the Father’s house.  So it is not just for the rebellious, it is also for the religious, that there is an invitation from a loving God to come home, to come into intimacy and to experiencing that God is a God of love that wants to give his inheritance to sons and daughters.  Not orphans, that takes it be demand, and wastes it in a distant land, or in a pigpen, or perhaps just working and striving and stressing, like I used to do for many years for God, but not experiencing the joy and benefits of being a son but acted more like a servant and a slave.    

SID:  What does God think of you, Leif?  What does He think of you? 

LEIF:  He thinks that I am his beloved son, whom he loves, and in whom he is well pleased.  If he looks at me, I do believe and I listen every single morning for just some wonderful words that God has to say to me, because I have to renew my mind every single day so that I hear the first voice.  Because there was another voice also there, that says, “Did God really say?  Did God really love you?  Are you really healed?  Did this really take place when you went to Pakistan?  How do you know that these people really got saved?”  This voice of the serpent; I often call it – it was the first liberal theologian in the Bible.  That serpent comes in and questions and doubts.  So I start my day, not by praying and studying and doing all of these things, I just listen to what my heavenly Father has to say to me.  He says, “You are righteous, you are a co-heir with Christ, what is true of Jesus is now true of you, and I have placed a robe of righteousness upon you so when I look at you, I see Jesus in you and I am well pleased.  So you are welcome home.  You can come to me anytime.  You have access to me, as a God, as a Father, through Jesus Christ.  So when I look at you I see a straight “A”.  You got 100 on the test.  Not based upon what you did, but based upon what Jesus has done for you.”  And that’s where my identity is.  It is on what Jesus has done for me, not what I am doing for Him, but what Jesus has done for me.  And that is something that every single one of us can experience and receive.  You cannot achieve it; only receive it as a gift. 

SID:  You know, I had a wonderful Jewish mother who died, and knows the Messiah and is in heaven right now.  I could do no bad.  She loved me no matter what I did, and I did a lot of bad things.  And what I figure, Leif, is my heavenly Father took over for my mother and He’s doing even a better job, even a better job.  We’ll be right back after this.  And I’m going to have Leif pray for you to experience and feel Father god’s love.  Don’t go away. 

SID:  Hello, Sid Roth, your investigative reporter here with Leif Hetland. Two years ago Leif who walked in the miraculous, who was a pastor, who traveled the world, who was gaining quite a reputation had an encounter with God which revolutionized his life.  He realized he had a deficit in Father Love.  Every one of us has a deficit in Father Love, some more, some less.  But what exactly happened to you two years ago, Leif? 

LEIF:  Well, let me first of al say that I was teaching about God’s love.  I was sharing testimonies about God’s love.  I thought I was motivated out of love. I had all the right theology.  I knew that the Bible was saying god is love and whoever abides in love abides in God.  So I had the right belief system.  But those inches from your head to your heart where suddenly you have an experience is very different.   

SID:  It’s one thing to teach something, it’s another thing to live it. 

LEIF:  Definitely.  And I do believe you teach what you know but you reproduce what you are.  And somehow I didn’t realize I was not a lover.  Many other people would think so because of what I was teaching, because of what they thought they were seeing.  But if you came to my home and talked to my wife and my kids you would see that ministry was my mistress.  Or you would see many other things that often were higher in regard than intimacy and relationship with Father God.  So in the middle of, after trying everything I could to be a good father, a good husband, being a good president of an organization in twenty-two countries, a good businessman, and all these different things on my plate, I felt like a failure.  And I was going down to a conference, actually not a conference, it was a father and son meeting, I thought I was a son, but actually now looking back, I was a servant, I was a slave, to religion, to Christianity, to a system that was created.  But when I came down there I realized actually as somebody was praying for me and they prayed a prayer that says, “I ask you Holy Spirit to come and take away anything in life, in Leif’s life, that is not comfortable with love.  And the next thing I remember I was laying there like a little child and I was taken back to the nine-year-old boy that my father who was a wonderful businessman took away from our home and my security, moved us to another city, and the fear that I felt within me, some of the bitterness, some of the hurt.  Now it was no longer the preacher, the president, there was that nine-year-old boy laying there just weeping, weeping.  And then suddenly God just took His arms around me.  And He started; I could just feel like it was liquid of love that flowed over me.  And there was a wonderful musician that is well known all over America, his name is Dennis Jernigan.  And at Jack Taylor’s little meeting, Dennis Jernigan came over, he laid his hands, and he sang a song that is famous, a Papa song, a

Daddy song, how much I was loved.  And it was just like liquid after liquid that just flowed all through my system.  When I came up from this place and I came home, my wife and my children they said, “What has happened to you?”  And for the next couple of months, and I start to feel it again all I could do was to cry, because I realized again and again, how I had violated love.  I had done all of these different things for God.  I had lived for God but not from God and that was very, very different.  So that was an encounter, an experience that changed my life, my walk.  Actually it was about three years ago now that I just celebrated this wonderful experience.  And my wife said, “You had a baptism of Spirit experience, power experience.  You remember, Leif, when signs and wonders and miracles,” but she said, “that baptism of love experience has changed you much more than anything else that I have ever seen in your life.”   

SID:  You know there are outpourings of God’s spirit the last few years around the world and people have run to these meetings.  And they have had genuine encounters with the Holy Spirit but they haven’t changed.  They leave the place and a week later it is like they sprung a leak.  Question:  Have you sprung a leak since this baptism of love? 

LEIF:  Oh definitely, definitely.  And I have continued again and again to sometimes, I’m saying, running to conferences, being prayed for, experiencing again and again that I need more of it.  Yes, I recognize that this orphan spirit that I had beforehand, is coming back again and again.  But the thing that I seeing as time goes along, that it is taking me shorter time now to get back into my Father’s lap, just being a little boy.  And there is a freedom of just being a little boy that just has a big dad.  So when I’m looking at the finances, or I’m looking at my marriage, my wife, children, or I am looking at a world wide ministry, when you have a big Dad, you’ve got small problems; you got big problems, you’ve got a little Dad.  So it takes me a shorter time now to get back into intimacy where I recognize how big, big Dad I have, how wonderful my heavenly Father is, that the God who created the universe, he is my daddy, and He loves me, and He says, “You are my beloved son, Leif and I love you and I am well pleased with you,” without me doing anything.  And out of that intimacy then I can go to the nations.  Or I can go like last week to that American Christian Psychiatrist Association.  Without that, I would go and I would try to perform something.  Now I am just there to represent Him. 

SID:  What results did you have after you spoke to these psychiatrists?    

LEIF:  It was just a very interesting experience, because to be honest with you I am used to speak to large gathering of people where you are getting a lot of emotional response; that has maybe applause.  But these people were maybe more quiet, from a scientific community. They are all medical doctors, they are all scholars.  Some of them were professors in psychiatry at some of our most famous institutions.  But in the end, I was finished speaking at 11:00, and I talked about this Father Hunger as one of the root issues in America; and how we try to treat symptoms when there is a root issue that is underneath. That the government and science themselves call Father Hunger and how Jesus Christ himself came actually with the ultimate cure.  And I actually did an illustration that kind of shocked them.  I gave a little shock treatment.  And one of the things I said was, in psychiatry, or as a medical doctor, or even as a Christian you all got an “F”, I have your report card.  But actually I can tell you there was a psychiatrist, and there was a doctor, and there was also a wonderful Christian, his name is Jesus. He got an straight “A”.  He exchanged the report card with you.  So if you look on the report card and see what is true of Him that is now true of you?  Then you are qualified to be able to look at the patients with different eyes, not seeing the problem, but to see the promise.  And about nine people were just sitting there weeping as we were praying, and even their God was giving words of knowledge into some of these medical doctors life.    

SID:  Leif, hold that thought.  You know it all started with Leif with a question.  Ask God honestly, “God, where am I uncomfortable with love?”  He’ll answer that.  We’ll be back right after this word.  Don’t go away. 

SID: Hello, Sid Roth your investigative reporter here with Dr. Larry Bates and we’re painting a picture that we really don’t even have to paint the picture. You read your own newspapers and you see what’s going on in the world, you see fear all over, you see the real estate just keeps going up, up, up, and there’s an old adage what goes up must come down. People have some money; they don’t even know what to do with it right now. Larry, why is it that certain people are trying to corner the silver market?

LARRY: Well, some of these certain people, we might as well call them by name, Warren Buffet, of the Bircher/Hathaway Group, it’s been estimated that he has cornered about 40 percent of the world silver market. He makes the Hunt Brothers look like pikers compared to what he has. Uh, it’s interesting, Warren Buffet is a very savvy investor, he understands how the system works, how the market works. He was the same guy the Wall Street crowd made fun of back in the dot.com boom because he wasn’t getting in the high-risk speculative bubble. They were ridiculing his eleven percent return and of course I liken the current housing bubble to the dot.com bubble, and you had IPO, initial public offerings, you had companies that were creating their own currency, just like the mortgage industry is creating its own currency. It’s like the guy comes home one day and says to his wife, “Hey I sold the dog for a hundred thousand dollars.” And she said, “You sold that dog for a hundred thousand dollars?” He said, “Well sort of, I got two fifty thousand cats for it.” Now, that’s fine as long as people use dogs and cats as money. Or if they use stocks and IPO’s as money, or if they use real estate mortgages bundled as money. But when people determine that this is not really currency, it’s not really liquid, then a lot of the stuff hits the market and you have a downward spiral in these markets, and that’s the fear that I have for this economy. But if you’re prepared for it you won’t be scathed by it.

SID: Okay, give me briefly recommendations for us to be prepared for this. What Godly wisdom or counsel do you give us?

LARRY: First of all, reduce debt. Try to get out of debt. If you’re not out of debt, you still have a debt, have a good reserve.

SID: You know the pull of the world, the pull of television is keep up with the Jones, must be in debt. Have a nice, beautiful house because all of your children’s friends have nice, beautiful houses. Even if you can’t afford it, it doesn’t matter, don’t worry, we’re in America.

LARRY: Well, that’s part of the American arrogance, it can’t happen to us. But wisdom dictates that we understand the times that we’re living in and it cannot keep going on forever.

SID: Now, let’s take you. Do you own a house?

LARRY: Yes.

SID: All right, Is the house worth a great deal more than what you paid for it?

LARRY: Quite a bit. I’m getting ready to sell it.

SID: So what are you going to do, buy another house?

LARRY: No, I’m going to build out on the farm.

SID: Okay, because you want to live in it?

LARRY: I want to live in it – but – I’m picking the time to sell it when all of the frenzy of the real estate market is going up.

SID: Well, speculate, and that’s all you can do, but your godly speculation is when will the bubble burst?

LARRY: Here is the key things, beginning to the middle of 2006, we have a lot of these mortgages that are interest rate only mortgages, a lot of them are adjustable rate mortgages and the adjustment period begins in that time frame. From the beginning to the end of 2006, and at the latest 2007, you are going to have a lot of people that their payments will ratchet up if they cannot make the payments, if they are so stretched, which I believe they are, then you’ll have a lot of people that default, go in bankruptcy. We’re already seeing a rise in bankruptcies. Its pockets of weakness already – Jefferson County, Colorado, right outside of Denver, 39 percent increase in bankruptcies and foreclosures.

SID: Okay. Someone has, they are relatively debt-free, they do have a mortgage, they have $20,000 they want to invest, they don’t want to, I mean we’re in a period where most people feel interest rates will keep increasing, inflation is going to run rampant, we don’t want to just put it in a small interest rate in the bank. What would you advise?

LARRY: Remember this: cash at the crash will be king. And that’s cash in your money markets, CD’s and cash in your precious medals. I believe people ought to have at least 30 percent of their total assets in gold and silver coins.

SID: Why?

LARRY: It’s the only monetary asset that is not someone else’s liability. Gold and silver is money, anything else is credit. It’s the money of the Bible. You go back to Amos, chapter eight it talks about they made the shekel or dollar larger, and the epal or bushel smaller, where it bought less grain and cheated with dishonest scales.

SID: By the way, why coins versus bonds?

LARRY: Well they are more liquid, they are easy to identify, they are minted by respected government, and certified as to weight in purity and so it’s a lot less questions about what do you really have when you have coins.

SID: But we’re living in a time of the Bible that you were alluding to of unequal weights and measure.

LARRY: Yes.

SID: So what does an honest person do?
LARRY: Well, you deal in honest money. Gold and silver, it’s money of the Bible. Why is it the money of the Bible? It’s scarce.

SID: Now what’s going on with the whole health insurance thing in the United States? My rates go up every year. I mean not just inflationary, gigantic.

LARRY: Two things.
SID: The average person isn’t even going to be able to have health insurance.

LARRY: My oldest son’s father-in-law is the former president, retired president of the Methodist Hospital Systems in Tennessee. 1964 his per patient cost per day was $9.49 a day. In 1966 two years later, it went to $69.96 a day. Now what happened in those two years? We passed Medicare. It was the government funds with the pertinent regulations, all of the government regulations that caused the rise in the cost of health care. Didn’t improve the quality, that’s why we’re going to have another thing, a lot of the churches are going to have to get into health care.

SID: Guess what? If you really want to analyze things you can get yourself sick. But I have some good news for you, the Bible does talk there’s going to be a wealth transfer, the Bible does say, God says, “I’ve never seen the righteous begging for food.” I believe that there is only one surefire investment and it’s something no one can ever take away from you and that is intimacy with God. Do not mishear what I’m saying, I am not saying religion, I am not saying tradition, I am saying that if you do not have intimacy with God you have nothing. And if you’ve got gold stars for synagogue and mosque and church attendance that counts for – that won’t even get you a cup of coffee. Listen to me, you can know God, but the only way you can know a holy God is if someone who is perfect dies in your place. That someone is the one Moses said would be greater than him, that would be a Jew, that would have all of the word of God inside of him, we must follow him. How shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation? Pray to God, repent to God. Say “God I’m a sinner.” Yes you are. “I believe Jesus died for my sins and by His wounds I am healed. And now that I am clean I want to know you God. Jesus, I want you to live inside of me, I want you to become real to me, I want to hear your voice, I want to be able to walk in shalom, in peace. I make you my Lord Jesus. Amen.” That’s how to be free.