SID: Once this downloaded into Jim and he started teaching, just as he’s teaching, God starts to reveal miracles. Tell me a few.
JIM: Well one of the most amazing miracles that I’ve ever seen in my life was I was pastoring and there was a couple that came, that was visiting our church. And they were originally from Romania, but they lived right down the street from their friends from Chicago who lived there. And I was, I had not had a chance to meet them yet, but I was just praying travel mercies over this couple back in Chicago. While I was praying for this couple, I felt this light coming from this young lady that I had not even met yet, this warm light. So I stopped my prayer after I prayed for them, and I started praying for her. In the middle of the prayer, God starts prophesying through me. I didn’t know what I was going to say. I just started saying what was in the spirit. And I said, “Ma’am, God says that your womb is broken and that you are in tremendous pain. But God says that He is going to heal your womb and He is going to bring forth an anointed child.” And she starts crying, and she says, “Did you tell him?” And this one woman says, “Did you tell him?” And I said, “Tell me what? I don’t even know what I just said.” Well come to find out, we prayed for her in depth, and after that, 50 days later, which is the number—
SID: How long had she been barren?
JIM: Seven years.
JIM: They had been trying to have children. I didn’t know if she had 10 children. If she had 10 children, that would have been a little embarrassing. But she didn’t have any. She had been barren. Fifty days later, during the Feast of Tabernacles, which is the celebration feast of the year, she gets healed and pregnant on the same day.
SID: That’s quite a celebration.
SID: But tell me about that staff member that had a newborn baby that was critical.
JIM: Yeah. This was an amazing story. We get a call from one of our satellite leaders in Oklahoma, and he calls, and he’s in desperation mode. His newborn baby girl is in ICU and she’s dying, and she’s just, I think, a week old. And she has a very, very high temperature and an infection that they cannot find what’s going on. So he doesn’t know anything. So he says, I’ve got to call my pastor. So calls me. We get on the phone together. I don’t know you. I had never met her. But I just pray. And so as I’m praying, I literally saw a vision of this little baby lying on the right side and God gave me a word of knowledge, and He said, “She’s on the wrong side. There’s a problem with her right side.” So I stopped the prayer and I told him, and I said, “Listen, what you need to do is go back to your doctor. Have him check the right side.” So he went back to his doctor and if you can imagine the conversation with his doctor: “Doctor, my pastor had a vision while he was praying and says that you need to check the right side.” And the doctor is a little bit frustrated. What are you talking about? But he did it anyway because there’s nothing else they could do. And they had chosen to use an ultrasound machine, which they had never done. They had taken all the blood tests, scans and everything. They scanned her right side where all the tubes and everything were, and they find three blood clots on her right side. They immediately put her in emergency surgery and they cut out those blood clots. And wouldn’t you know it, God is so good. Three weeks later, she’s at home with her mother and a perfect healthy baby girl.
SID: But had God not intervened they would not have had that perfect, cute little baby girl. Now you love to study the ancient Hebrew alphabet because as you’ve explained to me, it’s sort of like in the Chinese, they’re actually…the first words were pictures.
SID: Pick one and give me an example.
JIM: One of the most powerful ones that I found, again, every letter in Hebrew originally was a picture like Egyptian hieroglyphics. And every letter has a meaning to it. For instance, the letter “Tav”, which is the last letter in the Hebrew alphabet, was in the form, catch this, a cross, and it meant “covenant.” Okay. And there’s another letter, which is the letter “Yod”. And the letter Yod originally was like a nail. Okay. And then another letter is the letter “Resh”, which is literally a picture of a head of a man, and it meant the head, or the beginning. And then another letter, and I’m going somewhere with this, is the letter “He”, and the letter He is one of my favorite letters because I had six children, and it’s a picture of a guy jumping up and down, and it means revelation. Well what I just did is I gave you Tav, Yod, Resh and He. That word is the word, “Torah” in Hebrew, and it means in pictograph, “The covenant of the nail is the head of revelation.” And so let me break that down for you of how incredible this is, because Yeshua, Jesus, says he’s the Word of God. Okay. Well the only word of God in the first century when there was no New Testament was the Torah and the prophets, and the psalms. And so he says, “I’m the Living Word of God. I am the covenant of the nail,” the nail was the nails that were put into his wrists on the cross, right. And he’s the head of revelation. Now what’s most important, incredible, is if you read it backwards. If you read it backwards, it’s—
SID: Which is the way you read Hebrew.
JIM: Which is the way you read Hebrew. From our perspective, it’s backwards, right. But if you read it backwards it’s “revealed as the head of the nail covenant.” So it you know Torah, that’s why, remember in John it says, Yeshua says, “If you knew me, you would have read Moses because he wrote about me.” Because what? Moses was the Torah, and what was written in the very word of “Torah” is “the covenant of the nail, is the head of revelation.” Yeshua is saying, “I am the covenant.”
SID: You think that’s something? When we come back, have you ever wondered why Jewish people are so blessed? For instance, we’re a minority of minorities. Nobel prizes, highest percentage by religion: Jews. Look at doctors, lawyers, business people, Hollywood, the arts. Amazing. Why? There’s a good reason. And when we come back you’re going to find out.
Sid: Well my guest has one of the fastest growing ministries in the country in which he teaches Hebrew roots but the thing that’s so amazing is his original breakthrough supernaturally came from an angelic visitation. He was raised Catholic; he wasn’t overly charismatic growing up, however after he started teaching on understanding, he calls it the first part of the book, or is known as the Old Covenant. After he started teaching and understanding this all of a sudden miracles started breaking out. Jim Staley tell me about one of the first interesting miracles that occurred.
Jim: Wow there’s so many that we could go through but I mean everything from there’s a Christian worship artist. This was in the last year and a half he’s called the Chris Tomlin of Russia. We have a very robust Russian U-tube channel, we have 30 – 40 Russians a month that are watching and he was one of them. He travels all over the world and does his artistry and singing and so on and so forth; and he began to start to learn the Christian roots of his faith; where the roots of his Christianity came from. Which is from the Hebrew perspective, and so when he did that he had never seen miracles before. But he was so impacted by this he flew halfway across the world to come meet me; he doesn’t even speak English; and he went back there and this is not a physical miracle but an incredible miracles non-the-less. He quit his job; went on full time missionary support and he is now planting churches all over the Baltic states; Russia itself you name it and he led one of the highest Bishops in the Russian Orthodox Church; the highest of all Bishops he led that person to completely surrender his life to Christ. And that person has stepped down from their position and travels the world teaching people the Christian roots of their faith. So the entire Russian Orthodox Church now has someone that’s traveling around the world teaching them the front of the book and how it relates to Jesus who is found in the back of the book.
Sid: And when I think of a particular group of Christians that are known for anti-Semitism that’s the group. (Laughing) Which makes it even more phenomenal.
Sid: Okay, tell me in your opinion one of the more unique miracles that have occurred because there’s just so many that are happening. I’ll tell you what tell me about the woman that had the tumor the size of a cantaloupe.
Jim: Yeah, you know this is an interesting story. She had… they were just traditional Christians and did their regular church and so on and so forth just going on with their life and she had this very large issue in her throat. She had to go in for surgery for it and right before that, 2 weeks before that, they came into the understanding of the Christian roots of their faith and began to read the Bible from a different perspective and it caused them to repent over a few things. And they made some changes in their life and in their family and just like all the times in the Old Testament where God’s people realized they were in sin they came back into Covenant and God began to bless them again. Well what happened was she went in for this surgery, the doctor said “You’re probably going to lose your vocal chords you’re never going to be able to speak again.” Of course that’s a very difficult thing for a family to deal with the husband lost his job. The wife had lost the children in a divorce preceding and so it was just a really really bad time in their life. After they made this confession that “God we’ve been out of Covenant we’ve made some changes were going to do this, we’re going to do that the way that you asked us to we’re going to do our best.” Within 2 weeks she came out of that surgery talking when the doctor said “That’s impossible that this has happened;” she was completely healed; the husband got his job back within a week and they got the children back from the court system within a week after that. All of this just within a 2 ½ week period of time, and that was an amazing story itself.
Sid: What happened to the tumor the size of a cantaloupe?
Jim: Completely gone.
Sid: How long did that take?
Jim: It was instant; I mean it was all in that 2 week period of time.
Sid: Hm. Tell me about the man that had back problems; disc problems and started doing cartwheels.
Jim: Absolutely I was walking through the office and he’s my shipping director and I just walked in there to say hi and he couldn’t get off of his chair he was almost like completely paralyzed he could hardly walk at all; he was in severe pain and I just said “Can I pray for you?” And I prayed for him just a little short prayer and started to walk out of the office and he said “Wait a minute I’ve got a fire running through my body.” And I’ve never heard of that before and so I turned around and he said “Oh, my goodness I’m healed.” And I said “What are you talking about?” And he began to do squats and then he came on stage the next day and did a cartwheel in front of everybody that his disc problem was just completely healed.
Sid: Now something that very very few of those that are listening to us right now understand and you brought it up yesterday and you call it Hebrew idioms. What is an idioms?
Jim: An idiom is and expression that’s known in that particular culture and if you don’t understand that particular culture and that language you’re not going to know that idiom is. For instance, when the Bible talks about a good eye and a bad eye in Matthew. Well a lot of people have preached that message as looking, or pornography or you know looking from the eye. But that’s not what it meant in the first century. A good eye was somebody that was very generous; a bad eye was somebody that was not generous that was stingy. And that’s why the context there says that you can’t serve both God and mammon; because the whole context is about money. And so understanding those Hebrew idioms are critical to really pulling the real meaning to the scripture.
Sid: Well I imagine a lot of people have their theology off because if they look at it literal and just as a matter of speech of that day they’d have no way of knowing unless someone had told them they’d get their whole paradigms wrong.
Jim: Oh, no doubt about it; just think of all the different ways that we speak to one another today that if you could parcel out and put it 2000 years from now people would think they were crazy if we told each other “I would die for that.” Well we didn’t really mean that we would die for that it’s an expression. And unless you understand what it means in that culture you’re going to take it literally and misunderstand that we’ve done that. And when you do it just one time it could infect an entire doctrine. And people live their life by what they believe. So it’s critical to understand the context.
Sid: Now, I’m very excited about this series that you’re making available. It’s 4 DVD’s called “Shalom In the Home.” Briefly, what will this accomplish for someone that listens to it and views it?
Jim: First of all, this will be something that they most likely that they’ve never heard before because I’m going to show them in the scriptures not just idiomatic Hebrew idioms that are completely misunderstood in traditional Christianity. But I’m going to pull up the tabernacle itself and I’m going to show the Ark of the Covenant and I’m going to show the mercy seat. And I’m going to go back to the original Hebrew language and I’m going to show you that just the Mercy Seat and Ark of the Covenant how it’s in male and female forms in the original word language and show that the roles of husband and wife can actually be shown from the Ark of the Covenant itself from the original language and the Mercy Seat and even what’s found in the Ark of the Covenant actually dictates the role of the husband. It’s amazing and that’s just within marriage but there are so many other things that we pull up through the scriptures from the original language that show these amazing ancient keys to success. And when we do what the Bible says to do from its original perspective oh, my goodness it really is a formula it’s A + B = C.
Sid: Now do you believe that we know as a fact Jewish people are under unusual favor of God; the highest percentage by religion of Nobel Prize winners, people that are the leaders in art, entertainment, science, law, business, doctors, lawyers… I mean all these people these Jewish people such high percentage I happen to believe it’s because unbeknownst to many of them they’re following these ancient relationship formula’s from the scriptures.
Jim: There’s no doubt about it one of the best stories I love to tell the friend of mine has a Jewish CPA and he walks into his Jewish CPA’s office one day to get his tax return done and he asked this CPA “You know I got a question for you. You do both Christian people and Jewish people tax return right?” And he said, “Absolutely.” And he said “Who makes more money, Jewish people or Christians?” And the CPA laughed and said “Jewish people of course, 10 to 1.” And he said “Why do you think that is; why are the Jewish people so successful?” And he picked up a Bible the CPA did this, this Jewish CPA picked up a Bible on his desk, piled it up to his friend of mine and said “Well you guys all read the back of the book but all the financial principles are in the front of the book which you don’t read or study.” (Laughing) That really illustrates the point that we’re making here that you got to understand these principles that are so ancient that the disciples knew by heart.
Sid: You tell me that people that go through your 4 DVD’s and the study guide and the 8 ½ by 11 inch quick reference guide “That Ancient Keys” and start beginning to understand the Ancient Hebrew Alphabet and all the secret codes in that, that it brings blessing, favor and success to every relationship in their live. From parents with children, to schoolmates to business, associates to relatives. Give me one quick example of someone that took this series and what happened to them.
Jim: I could give so many; actually there’s one even from your own ministry where his marriage was saved and his relationship was saved. But one of the most incredible ones was that there was a couple from Boston who was on the brink of divorce they were separated; they’d been separated for a year; they were both Christians; they tried everything they could find in Christian circles to make this work; they just couldn’t make it work. Someone gave them a link to one of my teachings on our YouTube channel and they watched it and the next thing you know that they watched the “Shalom in the Home” series. He realized like a mechanic looking under the hood what was wrong with his engine; he fixed what was wrong with his engine; he was completely the way he was felling something and he was reacting to something. Came back to his wife and they’re completely restored; beyond restoration they were so impacted and their lives were so changed by this; they sold their house and moved here to tell us about this testimony to become a part of this congregation. That’s the impact this thing had on their lives.
Sid: Jim, I believe that there are people listening to us these are so supernatural I don’t hear them taught anywhere but they’re all from the Bible. These ancient keys to resolve any conflict in any relationship and walk under the supernatural way of doing it’s not natural and then the ancient Alphabet secret code you found.
Sid: My guest Dr. Cindy Trimm and we’re talking about “The Soul Fast Kit.” And fasting is not of food; what is the fasting aspect Dr. Trimm?
Cindy: It is removing the things in our lives that prevent us from hearing God; living life on purpose and for being able to fulfill our assignment in this earth realm as His earthly representative.
Sid: Now you teach on the power of words; how important are words?
Cindy: Words are so important when I read the scriptures out of the book of Numbers how the children of Israel ended up 40 years wandering around the wilderness I thought that God arbitrarily just said “Okay you’ve been naughty and I’m going to send you in the wilderness for 40 years.” But there was a direct correlation because God said “For each day that you mumbled and grumbled and complained and released negativity out of your mouth you will have to wander around in the wilderness for a year. And so for me it was almost like God was saying that for every day that you speak negatively and grumble and complain you potentially are creating the consequences of wandering around in the wilderness for an entire year. That’s a year for every day that we grumble and complain; so there is a direct correlation between what happens in our lives and what comes out of our mouths. Even scripture supports that. The Bible said that “By faith we understand the worlds were framed by the word of God.” When you look at a picture; frame a picture you can either add value to that picture, or you could devalue the picture by the framing. And our words that we are speaking are either adding value to our lives or it’s devaluing our lives. Someone once said that words are containers and I said that words are so very powerful that the words that we speak are exactly like Jesus said “They are spirit and they are life.” Scripture says “Thou shall decree a thing and it shall be established. Life and death is in the power of the tongue any that loves it shall eat the fruit thereof.” Words that we speak even though we don’t see it they don’t disappear; they don’t dissipate; words have power, presence, prophetic implications and no time or space or geographical limitations. And how do we know that; because people are still rehearsing some hurtful words that was said to them by people that they don’t even interact with nowadays and 40 years ago someone might have said something and people still feel the impact of the words. And it was a Centurion that said to Jesus, “You don’t have to come to my house; send your word only and my servant will be healed.” Scripture says that “God sent His word and healed us.” Our words are very powerful containers and we have to be careful of what we are speaking even over our lives; over our marriages; over our communities. God is very specific, He said “First of all prayers should be prayed over our leadership, those that are in authority and whether we like the party or not whether we like it or whether the president is Republican or Democratic watch what you are saying over your leaders. Scriptures says even over your enemies you should bless them and curse not. Why? Because in order to curse someone that curse has to flow through you first; it flows through your mouth first. And so we have to be careful what is coming out of our mouths because I really believe that there is a correlation between what’s happening in our future and what we speak about in our presence. And many things that are happening to us I think are self-fulfilled prophecy.
Sid: But you know a lot of people understand to a degree what you’re teaching right now, but they just can’t stop themselves from talking this negativity. How do they stop?
Cindy: They can stop by using the word of God; the Bible calls it the profession of our faith or the confession of our faith. We need to begin to make faith confessions and the way that we do that is very simple; God said to Joshua in Joshua chapter 1 verses 8 to 9 and it had a lot to do with his success and his prosperity. He said “This book of the law shall not pass from out of your mouth; you shall meditate on it day and night. Meditation if internal dialog and confession is external; what you say out of your mouth. So what you think is just as important as what you speak because what you think affects your speech. And so God says “Mediate on His word day and night for you will make your way prosperous and you will have good success.” And so our success and prosperity is in direct correlation of what we think and what we speak, “As a man thinketh in his heart so is he.” So we have to watch our words so that we can change our lives. Could things be the way they are because we are the way we are, and what one thing we can change that can change everything. We could change the way that we think about our lives and speak about our lives; and if we do so we can change the way we live our lives.
Sid: Dr. Trimm I believe that if you pray for people right now with just this little teaching they’ve had they’ll stop this negativity. Because it’s really it’s out of control soul not submitting to the word of God.
Cindy: Yes, yes and I’d love the pray. Our Father we give you praise and we asked that You would give us the ability to understand how important our words are and the discipline to begin to study to show ourselves approved unto You; workman that needed not to be ashamed rightly dividing the word of God. I pray Father that through the power of the Holy Spirit You would give us the ability to harness our thoughts and bring those thoughts into the proper alignment with the word. And where we are just capriciously using words without an understanding of the ramifications of that word give us the prompting on a day to day basis. Father allow us to understand how important our words are. And to really love Your word and love Your law and give us the discipline to desire it on a day to day basis. Let us discipline our lives like we eat the natural food on a day to day basis 3 meals a day; let us study Your word on a daily basis so that Father we will be transformed inside out. That it will be transferred at the level of our thoughts and then the level of our words and then it will be walked out in our day to day living. We would see our words being impacted by what we say to others and how we treat others. Bless us indeed and bless us with the discipline in this season in Jesus Name, Amen.
Sid: Amen, now you talk about something that I don’t hear much about; you talk about the power of doing, explain.
Cindy: Right, the Bible says “Faith without works is dead.” And there’s one thing to read the scripture and believe the scripture but it’s another thing to apply it. And once we are able to see the word of God has relevance in our day to day living; from everything from making decisions concerning businesses to being able to select the right relationships; who we marry, where we go, how we spend our money. The Bible has a solution to every kind of problem, every kind of situation; in fact the book of Proverbs speaks about wisdom. Wisdom goes beyond just information; wisdom takes information and applies it to our everyday situation. If we would but take the time to read the word of God and make it a part of our daily life just like no one would think about getting up and going back and forth from work without taking a shower. We would not think about getting up in the morning and not spending time and having our personal devotion to allow the Holy Spirit to speak to us through the word of God so that He can give us the power and the riches and the wisdom and the might to be able to live a blessed life.
Sid: Cindy, give me an example in your life of how God’s spoken to you through the word.
Cindy: I believe that as we go through the scripture one of the things we can look at is how practical the word of God is. And even out of the book of Proverbs it’s easy to do that. Proverbs is 31 chapters and there is approximately 30 to 31 days in the month. And what I do is I read a Proverbs a day and what I found out is that Proverb for that day in that particular month always gives me solutions to a particular problem or insight as to what I need to do for that day.
Sid: Well Solomon allegedly the smartest man who ever lived so I think it pays to listen to a chapter a day of Proverbs…
SID: So LaDonna is literally starving to death. Her colon, it’s dead for all practical purposes, nine surgeries in 90 days, the 10th coming up to remove her colon. She’ll never be the same. And it’s such a battle that she’s going through, and she’s wearing out. But she just happens to see the television show she did, It’s Supernatural. Her faith starts soaring. She’s praying for other people, but it still is quite a battle. And at one of her worst moments, 11:30 p.m., and she’s had about all she can handle, 11:30 p.m., she gets a phone call. Why did you even answer at 11:30 p.m.?
LADONNA: That’s a very good question. I thought about not answering. I didn’t recognize the number. But when I said, “Hello”, I heard the voice of my pastor. He identified himself, “This is John Kilpatrick.” And this is what he said, “God told me to call you and to tell you you’re coming out of that bed.” And he said, “Today, you hit breakthrough.” I’m telling you that are watching me and you hear today anybody within the sound of your voice, today you hit breakthrough. He also said, “You may not know it and you may not feel it, but you’re healed. Things are going to be different now. It’s your time. You’re going to fully recover. Now go to sleep and when you open your eyes tomorrow it’s going to be a new day.”
SID: You know, the question I have is, I agree. I agree. How would you like a word like that and you’re starving to death. You’re ready for your last surgery, they’re going to remove your whole colon, your life is never going to be the same. And she gets this call. But the question I have for you, LaDonna, how did he call you at 11:30 p.m.? What kind of pastor is he?
LADONNA: You know, I know Pastor Kilpatrick and he will obey God. And I know why. Because he heard God’s voice.
SID: That’s all you need.
LADONNA: That’s right.
SID: All you need is a word from God. She had a word from God. So what happened after the word?
LADONNA: In five hours, well he said, “Close your eyes and when you open your eyes tomorrow will be a new day.” My stomach that was distended was down two-thirds the next morning. I knew what he meant when he said, “When you open your eyes it will be a new day,” because every day X-ray opened my eyes. The X-ray technicians would come in and they’d roll the machine in, and take a picture of right in my abdomen and it’s different. I looked down and when my opened my eyes, and my stomach was down two-thirds. I knew the picture was going to be different. In four days, the doctor said, go home.
SID: Go home. Did you hear that? This is, look at the hand of God. God moved you desperately. So when you left the hospital you picked up your violin for the first time maybe since the TV show, the last TV show. And what was the first song you played?
LADONNA: The theme throughout my suffering was, Jesus doesn’t love you like you thought he did. So I got my violin and I said, listen to this one, devil. And I played, “Jesus Loves Me”.
SID: Well I tell you what, LaDonna, I’m going to release you to go to the music set. But tell me the truth, between you and me.
SID: Does Jesus really love you?
LADONNA: How he loves me. But he loves you and he loves everyone listening to us. He loves us. There is someone listening to us right now and they doubted that. But the Lord is touching your heart. And even more, he’s going to get in these notes and he’s going to really reveal himself to them.
SID: I can’t wait. Would you go to the music set. And I’m going to tell you something. When LaDonna plays this, I can just picture that. Can you picture the first time she played this after coming off the deathbed, starving to death? I’m going to tell you, Jesus really loves you. You’ll feel it as she plays this now.
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Sid: Now one of the things that is so frequently mentioned to me is that “I have dreams, lots of them, but I got to the point that they’re all symbolic and I don’t know what they mean and I don’t want to guess.” And then we have other people saying “I’m not just sure if I’m hearing God’s voice or not” or “I don’t hear God’s voice.” So I’ve really been looking forward to interviewing Laura Harris Smith. And Laura I love the title of your book “Seeing the Voice of God.” You kind of do a double take on that.
Sid: How in the world did you get into helping believers understand their dreams, hear the voice of God; how did that happen?
Laura: Hmm, well I oh I guess it was about 20 years ago I was freshly baptized in the Holy Spirit and I was going through a season in life, but I think it’s common to most people that you’re not hearing the voice of the Lord or you think that you’re not and you know you’re in a spiritual like a hearing drought of sorts. So basically my husband had stepped out of a very lucrative job to move into ministry and we had 5 children at the time and we needed a word from God on where we were going to go from there. We thought we knew we had tried that out nothing was succeeding and we doubted ourselves and Him and everything else. So you know I began to notice on bookstore shelves all these books entitled “When God is Silent” and “What to Do When God is Silent,” and it just grieved me. I thought “How can God have a mute button? How could He really withhold communication with His children?” And so I got on my knees that night Sid and I just said “Lord, I have to have a word from You; You must speak to me.” And I finally heard something and it was the oddest phrase; it was 5 days; days and instantly He downloaded this plan into me to get away for 5 days and read the Bible in 5 days. My father had a prayer cabin; he opened his doors for me to just come down there; my husband graciously took care of the 5 kids and I read through the Bible. Not to study Greek or Hebrew, or chew on anything but just to answer the question; “Is God ever silent?” And Sid, I never found one verse saying that He’s silent; I found plenty of verses like “If I regard iniquity in my heart He will not hear me.” But none that God wanted to be silent. And so what that made me do was set me on a quest to discover why we sometimes can’t hear Him if He’s always talking. The first thing that happened was I noticed he began to bypass my ears and go straight for my eyes. I started having dreams and visions and really seeing the voice of God.
Sid: You know what’s kind of interesting; I recently interviewed Randy Clark and he operates on what is called in the Bible “Words of knowledge.” But he went out to Africa and the Christians there explained they got most of their information through their dreams. And it’s like he never even thought about it. And now I’m reading your materials and you make a statement that just knocks you out so to speak. You spend a third of your life sleeping; now if you spend a third of your life sleeping look at a waste if you’re not communicating with God.
Laura: I know, I know it’s so true and people who say “Oh, I never dream” that’s why I wanted to include the two medical chapters, chapters 4 and 5 where I interviewed a sleep study doctor and I sighted all type so of studies on sleep and dream cycles. So yes you are having between 4 to 6 ream dream cycles each night; rapid eye movement cycles. And each one of those 4 to 6 cycles you’re having 4 to 6 dreams. So you’re having somewhere between 16 and 36 dreams every single night. So yes, if you spend a third of your life in bed then by age 75 you’ve slept for 25 years. You know that comes out to almost a million dreams. So the question isn’t “Why am I not dreaming?” the question is “Why am I not remembering my dreams?” And that’s why chapter 5 is called “Dream recall” and it’s why I go into all of the vitamins and minerals. And I interviewed or sighted studies from real experts that can give us insight into how we can remember our dreams; there’s a way to do it. (Laughing)
Sid: Now let me ask you a personal question.
Sid: When I have dreams I do remember them the minute I have them but if I don’t write it down I’m going to forget it, and if I write it down it’s too much energy and I I’m afraid I won’t be able to go back to sleep. Do you have any help for me?
Laura: Ah that’s good. Yes, actually I quote Sigmund Fraud in the book which could be controversial. You know he was Jewish by birth and atheist by choice; I can’t imagine having those roots and coming to that decision point in my life. But we did agree on one thing and that is “If you do not journal or somehow process the dream immediately after you receive it it will eventually be added to, embellished, and changed entirely. James Gall who wrote the forward for my book has this expression “Stewarding revelation.” I swipe that all the time and say “You must steward revelation well; if you do not you’re likely to lose it. I would suggest for you to keep a little voice recorder by the bed or maybe there’s one on your phone and I also have found that if I just keep a pen and pad by the bed if I just lean over in the dark and I just scribble 4 or 5 of the symbols the dream comes back to me the next morning.
Sid: That sounds good because then I’ll remember the dream but I don’t remember the intricate details that I would have if I had written it down.
Laura: Sounds like you have what a lot of people want really detailed dreams. (Laughing)
Sid: I do (Laughing). Okay, so tell me… that’s a pretty interesting thing I’ve been reading statistics about how many people are having insomnia, either not being able to fall asleep, or wake up frequently during the night. Also people that say “I don’t dream.” Have people followed the vitamins and the regimen you suggest and have been able to sleep better and remember their dreams?
Laura: Yes, I’m so happy to say yes. And the examples that I site in the book are not from just silly college USA. They are studies from places like John Hopkins University, and Mayo Clinic. And I really wanted to in addition to that though have some personal examples. So I used myself as a guinea pig and found the research to be true. And yes, I am finally starting to hear testimonies even reading some of the reviews on line of people who’ve tried specific regimens and are remember their dreams. And so I’m wiping my brow and saying “Thank you Lord it truly is… it’s a fact if we take care our bodies, if we use the things that God created on day 3 of creation because I also go into the essential oils and herbal teas you can take and that type of thing then we’ll be our healthiest and we’ll sleep our best.
Sid: I have to believe that you’re conclusion is correct because that’s my conclusion from the Bible and that is God’s great desire is to communicate with us. What would you say is the major reason that people have discounted their dreams and say “I never hear from God?”
Laura: (Laughing) Well, you know Job 33 starting in verse 14 says “God may speak in one way or in another yet man does not perceive it in a dream, in a vision of the night when deep sleep falls upon men; when slumbering on their beds then He opens the ears of men and seals their instruction.” But those words right there in the middle; “Man does not perceive it.” Those are the saddest verses, amongst the saddest in the entire Bible to me to think that God is trying to talk to you. Or back up a minute; you’re begging God to talk to you… He talks to you and then you can’t take yes for an answer. (Laughing) It’s like He’s trying to communicate to you and I want to add emphatically right here that dreams and visions are not a gift of the Spirit; they’re not a badge of maturity or arrival they’re mere communication with God. And communication with God is the birth-rite of every believer.
Sid: Well, I have to believe where we are in history because I had a dream in which I was told 3 times “Jesus is returning soon.” So if there’s ever been a time to hear God it has to be now.
Laura: Hmm, hmm absolutely and you know our ears get clogged for so many different reasons and I do go into those in the book. I actually start out I think it’s chapter 8 by saying “I’d be a bad friend if I spent…” I say something like “We spend about 40,000 words thus far discussing your eyes and that’s about 20,000 per eye and I’d be a bad friend though if I didn’t discuss your hearing, your spiritual hearing and why you’re not hearing God.” So it is definitely a relevant topic; I told you in the very beginning story that when I needed to hear God I got away and solved that question in my mind about how He’s never silent. Then He began giving me dreams and visions but look at what else happened to me and it’s common to many people because we just read it in Job 33. He says “He speaks in through those visions” and then it says “Then He opens the ears of men.” So see sometimes and this is what happened to me I started having all of the dreams and visions and then my daytime ears got opened too. So He speaks through dreams and visions if we’ll perceive that it not only helps us to receive communication from him when we’re sleeping, but then as we’re awake our ears have become opened too. It’s just win, win I…
Sid: But you know what I believe, I believe that you have…when someone has a victory in some area in the spirit then they can pray for other people. And you have prayed so many impartations over the 3 CD set we call “Twenty, Twenty Hearing” and then your book “Seeing the Voice of God.” And the DVD “Ten of the Most Frequently Asked Questions on Dreams and Visions.” And as far as I’m concerned when someone finishes this entire series and starts asking God for dreams and starts following. I mean you even have a dream dictionary of 1000 symbols. Oh, we’re out of time…
Sid: My guest James Durham says that according to the word of God and according to his experience everyone can visit the throne room as often as they want once they break through to that level. But you know James you provoke me to jealousy; I knew nothing about Jesus; nothing about the invisible world. And you as a matter of fact knew nothing about it except… I mean you came from a nominal; a very nominal Christian background so you had no paradigm at 3 years of age but what happened to you?
James: I was in bed at night and just suddenly I was in a different place; it was an unknown place to me but it was a beautiful place; it was a peaceful place. I saw animals that normally would be enemies lying down together in peace.
Sid: And that’s what the Bible says in the millennium is going to occur.
James: Yes that’s correct. I just suddenly realized that I was in heaven and it was wonderful. I felt such a deep peace in my own heart and I just felt like I was at home; and this was a great blessing for me at that age. That’s primarily of what I remember.
Sid: What’s your family think of this I mean being nominal; what was their opinion?
James: They were not very accepting of this and they thought that I was making it up and that I was not telling the truth and that I was exaggerating and I was chastised for talking about it.
Sid: So at age 6 you’re going to Bible camps and you’re hearing about Jesus but just before you became a believer you had a vision of hell.
James: That’s correct. I was in a service of worship and suddenly it was as if the floor in front of me opened wide open and flames literally I saw them leaping up from the floor in front of me. And I knew that this from the things that I’d been taught in the Vacation Bible School that this was hell and I was sitting right on the edge of it. I knew that if I didn’t make the right choice the right decision that I could just fall into that.
Sid: You know being so young and not having parents that are pushing you there that must have been… and actually thinking that you were making up the vision you had this whole time on your life must have been pretty confusing to you.
James: It was confusing but it was also very comforting because I knew that there was reality beyond what I was experiencing.
Sid: Then your parents didn’t try to talk you out of it. (Laughing)
James: (Laughing) Well they talked me out of talking about what I was experiencing.
Sid: Ah, okay; but then with the experiences you had I mean so sovereign from God when you were age 17 your father is dying and you make a deal with God. You say “God if you let my father live I will become a minister and preach the gospel and your father died.” What affect did it have on you?
James: It was a great disappointment in my heart and I think I went through a time of disillusionment and actually I pulled away for the church. My experiences for a time; I had a lot of anger and disappointment inside of me, made it very difficult for me to feel that closeness to God that I’d felt before.
Sid: But at 17 God in His mercy God did not give up on James Durham. At 17, even though he turned from the things of God, when he reached 21, interesting age, age of accountability so to speak. You reach 21 and you have an audible call to the ministry from God; what was that like?
James: That was just an overpowering kind of experience. I was sitting in a church worship service and I heard God speak to me and He asked me “What was really important to me.” And I think in those years of separation I had gone after the wrong things and as I thought about things in my own mind I brought up some things that might be important like becoming famous; becoming wealthy; having a political influence. But none of those seemed like they were appropriate in this moment with God and I finally came to a conclusion; the only thing for me was to serve Him with my whole life; my whole heart forever.
Sid: Now what were His exact words to you the audible voice?
James: At first was “What was really important to you.” And after I made that choice He said to me “There is nothing else.”
James: That other than serving Him I’d made the choice I will serve you the rest of my life and as soon as I said that I heard the Lord say “There is nothing else.”
Sid: So you go to Asbury Seminary and this kind of surprises me at Asbury Seminary you received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit; were they teaching you on this?
James: They did actually teach some things in the course about the Baptism of the Holy Spirit but my experience was apart from that. I was sitting in the living room of my home at that time and I just had a desperate hunger for God and I cried out and I said “I want to have the kind of experience that I read John Wesley had had of being overcome by the Holy Spirit and feeling the fire of God in his heart.” And I wanted to have that; I wanted to have something in my heart not just something in my head. And as soon as I cried out to God this came to me; I just felt a presence over me and fire came into me and something in me just was burned away and changed in my life.
Sid: Help me out, when someone says fire be more descriptive; what do you mean by fire!
James: Fire! It was like fire (Laughing) it wasn’t like the fire I saw when I was 6 years old, but it was like the presence and the power of God and it came with a supernatural heat. It just permeated my body with this warm that seemed to be changing things in me burning away the things that need to go and strengthening, purifying the things that needed to be refined in me.
Sid: Did you speak in a supernatural language at that time?
James: Not at that moment; no I didn’t.
Sid: When did that start?
James: That started much later; actually I didn’t start speaking in a supernatural language knowingly until I was… 2008.
Sid: Okay, but something new started going on in your life; you started operating in what the Bible refers to as words of knowledge and it’s been doing nothing but getting stronger. As a matter of fact did God give you any words of knowledge for our audience?
James: Yes, the Lord says that there’s an anointing today for healing and when I came in today I felt the presence of a healing angel. The Lord said that “Today there’s an anointing for healing the throat.” If any kind of ailment in the throat, it could be a virus or some sort of disease, even cancer of throat could be healed today. I heard the Lord said that “Necks are being healed today that people that have sinus infection that it’s available today; the Lord is healing people today of chronic sinus infections that are just going to go (snaps fingers) like that, in Jesus Name.
Sid: Now when you have a word do you normally pray after the word or just speaking the word does it; how does that operate?
James: Well I usually speak the word and then pray.
Sid: Why don’t you pray right now for those conditions.
James: Okay, well Father God we ask right now in the Name of Yeshua that you would just release that healing angel to be with anyone who needs any of these healings; Lord the healing of the throat; let the power of Your healing ministry come through the touch of that angel and heal the throats of anyone who needs that And Lord I saw people with problems in their spine and their neck and that they desperately need a healing and relieved of pain and set free; so Lord I ask the healing angel touch their neck and let the fire of that touch restore the spine and heal the problems with the neck. And Lord the chronic sinus infections I know those are not of you those of the enemy and so we ask in the name of Yeshua haMashiach that those would be completely healed and that all inflammation would be gone that all pressure headaches would be gone and that there would be a total complete healing in the name of Yeshua; Amen and Amen.
Sid: Now, you teach from Ephesians chapter 2 verse 6 about being in the Throne Room, explain that.
James: Well Ephesians 2:6 says “Were seated with Him in heavenly places.” Everything in that verse is in the past tense and I believe that we have a seat there but many of us have never seen it; we have not claimed our Biblical authority to go there and visit. But I just stand on the promises of the word and I just claim it for myself and I claim it for you; that you have a seat in heaven. If you are in Jesus Christ you have a seat with Him in heaven and the Holy Spirit can take you there.
Sid: James what kind of feedback are you getting from people that read the books and sit under the teaching on the 3 CD’s?
James: I hear from people in the meetings that we conduct through email messages; I receive one this morning; a woman who was set free to visit in the 3rd heaven herself. And I hear people now making multiple visits after they’ve read the book or they’ve been in the teaching seminars that we do.
Sid: …I have to tell you I can’t think of anything more important in this day we’re living in if you can have access to the 3rd heaven, access to getting your answers to the questions you’re pondering right in the secret place it to me it’s fascinating. James goes to heaven to the Throne Room to the very secret place often and gets information. God has commissioned him to teach the past tense of God’s word that we are already seated at the right hand of God the Father with Jesus. Jesus is at the right hand and we are seated in Him, therefore, we can have such intimacy. And he has special teaching CD’s and 2 books “Beyond the Ancient Door” and “7 Levels of Glory” and this is how to book. The CD’s are prayers of impartation and the books will show you how there’s 7 levels in which God wants to reveal Himself to you through His glory. And there’s 7 levels in which God draws you up to Him in His glory all things are possible.
Sid: There’s a wall of separation between Jews and Gentiles, but there’s even a greater wall of separation today between Jews and Christians and I think one of the most graphic presentations of this to me. And it’s about ready to change to me Mishpochah is that some in the traditional Jewish Community fought so hard to stop the movie “The Passion,” Mel Gibson’s movie from playing. And that’s only because they don’t understand what has occurred. But very soon I believe that so many back slidden Gentile Christians are going to see that movie and come to the Lord, and many have already; that they are going to get red hot for Jesus and then do the major purpose of your salvation. The major purpose of your salvation is found in Roman’s 11:11 “Salvation has come to the Gentile to provoke the Jew to jealousy.” Why? Because Jesus said “He came to break down the middle wall of separation between Jew and Gentile to form One New Man in Messiah. And that’s why Amos says that when the Tabernacle, or that stands for the house, and the house stands for the family in Hebrewism. When the family of David, or the Jewish people are restored to God; obviously through Messiah; Amos in the last chapter says the rest of the Gentiles will come in. So I believe that the reason Mel Gibson did the movie “The Passion” and the reason that Dr. Bree Keyton did her book, and she’s my guest this week, “The Passion What Does it Mean?” And the reason that Bree did her songs on the strips of the Messiah that people are getting marvelously healed from is so that Gentile Christians can be red hot for Jesus and do what Jesus commands Gentile Christians to do, “Salvation has come to the Gentile to provoke the Jew to jealousy;” to share the gospel is all occurring. Mel Gibson doesn’t have a clue, but his movie and the book “The Passion What Does it Mean” all occurred so that Jewish people could be saved. This is what Amos says “So the rest of the Gentles can come in.” That’s God’s plan because He so loves the whole world. And I have Dr. Bree Keyton on the telephone, I’m speaking to her in her home in Kansas City, Missouri. About her book called “The Passion, What Does it Mean?” And Bree what is happening when people for the first time understand what the passion means, but even more so can see it through Jewish eyes as opposed to say in the movie by Mel Gibson through Catholic eyes. What is happening when people read this book?
Bree: The people that have contacted me after reading the book, and it’s only been out a short time. I am getting calls from people saying “I read this and I was so thrilled to see all that Jesus took for me and how He suffered for me that I gave my life to Him that I became born again.” And the book of course, the purpose was to show people the majesty and the glory of all that Jesus took for us.
Sid: Now it was really birthed out a vision that you had in May of 1993. The big objection that I hear people that have seen Mel Gibson’s movie is “It’s too violent, it did not have to be that violent.” But tell me about the vision you had in May of 1993 and maybe that will address some of those critics.
Bree: The vision I saw was startling, it was horrific, it was graphic, and Jesus was being beaten as He was receiving those stripes before He went to the cross. I mean it was bloody, much like Mel Gibson’s movie.
Sid: Well you saw the movie, which had more suffering; which was bloodier your vision or Mel Gibson’s movie?
Bree: Actually my vision was so bloody that I was looking at this thing that God showed me with horror; it took me 3 days to recover from what I saw. The Lord spoke to me and said “Write a song and I will heal My people.” So I wrote this song stripes with 39 whip cracks in it.” And literally 1000’s of people have been saved and healed just listening to this song. We’ve had people get up out of wheelchairs; we’ve had the dumb speak, we’ve had deaf ears open, blind eyes open. People with back trouble have been healed. And on and on this goes, lots of heart trouble healed because what I do is I call out diseases and the second the people hear that it’s like the sovereign hand of God reaches in and heals them on the spot.
Sid: What happened when they hear that crack? What happened to Jesus literally and spiritually?
Bree: Each whip cracks that He took healed us; there’s actually been doctors that have said that there is 39 categories of disease in the world today. And we believe and I believe with all of my heart according to scripture that says “By His stripes we were healed.” I believed that with every stripe healed us; literally healed us. We’ve had people driving down the street in their car just listening to this and they just get healed driving in their car; we can always tell where they’re playing this on their radio because the radio gets flooded with phone calls.
Sid: Okay, I want to hear this song it’s called “Stripes.”
Stripes Worship Excerpt.
Sid: That was Bree Keyton my guest on the air right now; I’m interviewing her on her book and CD “The Passion, What Does it Mean?” Tonight is erev Pesach, the evening of Passover begins. Bree how is Passover a foreshadow of the Messiah?
Bree: It really began in Egypt when the Hebrew children were told to kill a lamb and to put its blood over their doorpost and then of course the death angel would pass them by. That’s the death angel of the 10th curse that came upon Egypt that was to slaughter the first born of Egypt. If they put this blood on this doorpost the death would pass them by and they were to completely consume this lamb. And we know that they walked out of Egypt completely healed. How does that apply? Well, they began the feast of Passover every year after that as you know. And what they would do is that they would a lamb; they would put it on a spit in the shape of a cross and they would roast it and completely consume it. So that when they walked out of Egypt the land of sin and wickedness and compromise; we too could put the blood of Jesus on the doorposts of our hearts and walk out of sin and compromise into the Kingdom of the Living God in the Name of Jesus shed blood. Now the Hebrews when they walk out of Egypt were completely healed, it says everybody walked out of there healed. Now that’s a miracle right there; when we accept Jesus and the blood He shed for us we walk out of the land of sin and compromise; the land of wickedness into the land of the living. That is we accept the living lamb of God as our sacrifice. And His blood goes over the doorpost of our hearts and we are completely healed in Him. Now Passover is a marvelous picture; you know as a Jew that you’ve celebrated Passover you’re whole life and what a marvelous shadow picture it is of the living God. Every year just before sundown they would kill a lamb each house in Egypt and then they would have their Passover meal. Now Jesus Himself was killed just before sundown hanging on that cross, and He was put in the grave just before sundown. They had to hurry because Passover was beginning and they couldn’t do any work on the Passover they were to rest because it was also a Sabbath. Now Jesus as He hung on the cross He spoke forth words, the same words that were mirrored by the High Priest on the Temple Mount.
Sid: I’ll tell you what; hold that thought we’ll pick up right here on tomorrow’s broadcast….
Sid: Now my guest Larry Randolph is a prophet; he’s been a gift previously on Messianic Vision. And when you were on television with us Larry you stated a prophecy that then came to past. Do you remember the prophecy and tell us what it was.
Larry: I do Sid it was 2008 I believe it was on your program and the Lord had given me a string of insight into what was happening. And one of the things that was interesting was He showed me that a young man that was famous in Hollywood was going to die shortly and I believe that it was a month or two after the show aired that this young man which was Keith Lecher I believe was his name. And that was the one I think you’re making a reference to.
Sid: Yeah and they reminded me after you were on the air but I want to find out more about you. Your father was a prophetic Pastor; your great-uncle had quite a ministry; tell me about him.
Larry: Uncle Newton was his name; my grandfather’s brother, a great uncle. He was born blind; he was blind from birth and never saw the light of day but he had an incredible healing ministry from what I heard from my family. People would come to his little house in the late 1800’s, early 1900’s and they would be…cripples and blinds. He had a really gift for opening blind eyes and he would being blind and never saw in his life. And he also had an amazing anointing for praying for people out of wheelchairs; so the house was filled with crutches and wheelchairs and people gave testimony to that. And my Dad sort of picked that gifting up and he too had a very very strong healing ministry; however it was accompanied by really great prophectic gift so I grew up in that environment. And I must say I caught more of the prophetic maybe than some of the miraculous; although I’ve seen a lot of that. Although the prophetic seems to be was transferred down through the spiritual DNA of my life.
Sid: Now I don’t want to get too far ahead of ourselves but I’m just kind of curious “When did you realize that you were walking in that same prophetic gifting as your great-uncle and as your father?
Larry: You know I don’t think that there’s every bee a time that I didn’t know it; it’s like I was born in that culture; I was born in that environment. We were very small church; my dad pastored this very very small church in the backwoods of Arkansas. And I was born in 1950 and by the time that it was ’53 or ’54 I was 4 years old I was already playing instruments in church and testifying and preaching. Going to the jail services with my dad and praying for people, going to nursing homes prophecying praying over people; that’s what Dad did so I did that with him. So Sid I thought it was normal; I thought everybody did. I thought the Baptist did it; I thought the Methodist did it. I’d never been anywhere but our little church; I thought everybody did that. So it was a shock to me to find out that it was kind of unusual. So it was very familiar to me and it just seemed to be something that was living; like a living spirit that was in our family that I picked up on. And I remember one of my first strong prophetic words was at 4 or 5 years old; I would get up in the morning to go out and gather eggs because we lived on the eggs that our hens laid. And the Lord spoke to my heart; it was an impression in my heart of how many eggs I would find and I believe that it was either 7 or 8 it’s hard to remember that long. But it was exactly the number the Lord showed me and I thought “Wow, I got this gift too.
Sid: Now it sounds to me with a gift like that; a father in ministry that you wouldn’t have had such a bad image of yourself. How’d that happen?
Larry: It probably happened because of a number of things. My father had a 3rd grade education because during the depression he had to leave school and go to work on a peanut farm with his father and my mother had a 7th grade education; so I was born into a very uneducated class in Arkansas; backwoods. We were born in object poverty, the house that we lived in was built out of scape lumber and in the 40’s you could see the air outside; there was no in door heating other than one little stove, there was no indoor plumbing; there was no indoor water. And so not only that we were considered holy rollers at the time. (Laughing) we were called Independent Pentecostals and so because of that it was just kind of sense of not being worth anything. So I had a self worth was very low; bad self esteem, low self-image. I was an inter-vert. Then when I was in church I knew had to preach a little and play mandolin and sing and do a little prophetic but that was because I was safe in that environment.
Sid: So why at age 13 did you run away from home; that’s pretty young.
Larry: Well, a couple of things, my life was so I was having panic attacks, anxiety attacks when I was 5 or 6 years old. And at 6 years old I discovered that I had rheumatic fever which is a heart murmer so I for nearly 10 years I took penecillin 10,000 units a day for that. So the time that I was 13 I added it all up in my mind; man this is not working out. Here I am rejection; poor and impoverished, I feel isolated, I didn’t have a friend in the world, I couldn’t talk to people, I was insecure, my grades at school were terrible, I had rheumatic fever, a heart murmur, we were poor. I thought I don’t want to be a part; I don’t want to serve this God; I don’t want to serve the God that my father’s serving. Although I loved God I just said “Something is different and so I think I’m going to be a rock star. And so that’s what I did; I left the church at 13 and begin to play night clubs for 7 years every night for 7 years to pursue what my life said, you know I was a legend in my own mind. So…(Laughing)
Sid: Were you good though?
Larry: I was very good and then after that I was a professional musician and when I came back the Lord at 20 years old with the Jesus movement I started playing guitar with a guy named Russel Taft who people would probably know his name. He’s a Dove Award. We had the first probably that I know of the first rock gospel group in the south back in the early 1970 or 71. I don’t know the exact years but somewhere in that ballpark. And was very rejected there; no church would have us you know; and of course it’s common to have an upbeat more modern music but it wasn’t then. So that was that, and the I let go of that because of a dream of the Lord and a visitation about ministry and about the prophetic He wanted to bring me into.
Sid: Tell me about that in more detail.
Larry: Well, I had two things, the dream or the …the dream and then there was a visitation from Jesus Himself that followed. I have to be brief, the dream was that I was traveling; in this dream I was traveling across a bridge with all of the guys in my band. It wasn’t my band, it was Russ’s band and I just played guitar; I had just gotten redecated and to the Lord so we were playing in churches again; we were playing rock gospel; it was sort of ahead of the curb. But anyway the Spirit of God was strong on us for youth and evangelism and we was traveling and we were going to Nashville to cut our first album. I had already taken a picture for the album and in the dream the Lord stopped me and I stopped and they went across the bridge and I saw them fade away in the darkness. And I said “Oh Lord, what’s going to happened to me.” And I looked to the heavens and I looked where the big dipper was and there was 2 big dippers; instead of 1 there was together and they began to pour out upon my head. And there was this oil in the dippers in this vision dream-vision down upon my head. And the 2 dippers were 2 distinct ministries; I knew that at the time and then it became 1 steam on the top of my head. And I woke up out of that dream sweating but with the Spirit of the Lord all over the room and had to tell them I know longer can be a musician you know even for the Lord I’m called to other things.
Sid: Now what were the 2 things you saw that you are supposed to be doing?
Larry: You know what, it took me awhile to figure out what they are because what I did I watched my life to find out what the 2 prominent giftings were one stream and they were prophectic, and teaching a prophet and teacher. I thought it was pastoring at first because I love people and I want to pastor but when I went out to minister people never called me back, I was a great pastor; they called me back because of revelation I had. Either word or revelation about things that are coming to pass in the prophetic. So it became apparent to me that the revelatory gift in my life was in one stream and the area of prophecying and words of knowledge as well as unveiling revelation in the scripture and that became clear to me by the time that I was 25 that that was my path. And that’s what I’ve been doing other then pastoring 10 years in my life; which was a good experience but wasn’t my primary calling. My primary calling as you said came right after that dream or had a visitation from the Lord, not a vision, but literally I was wide awake and the Lord came to me and stood before me and talked to me.
Sid: Well, let’s find out more about that on tomorrow’s broadcast but I also want to here many of the things that he’s prophecied that’s come to past. And I also want to know the prophecies that he sees that have not come to pass yet. But your book “Original Breath” it’s the newest book that you have and the 2 CD’s set “Breath of Heaven.” You talk about an area that…and I guess it has a lot to do with your calling but it has a lot to do with the way that you were raised as a child that you had such a negative image of yourself. But most people they don’t realize it but their copies and they are not originals; speak to that for a minute because that’s what your book that you have and the CD’s set are all about.
Larry: Well, they don’t realize the —- giftings and potentials that they have inside of them that God has given them because they’re so blinded by their own upbringing that might have been bad or some bad perspectives of self in the book. And the CD series is alerting to the fact that they are an original and that God breathed an original impartation into their life and no one else owns. They own a piece of God’s breath like Adam owned that no one else owns and they just haven’t discovered it yet.
Sid: So why do people copy everyone else rather than be the original that God created them to be?
Larry: I think its, again I think it’s insecurity because here’s one of the things that the Lord said to me many years ago. “There’s some things you have to be.” And I guess that just goes back to visitation when Jesus talked to me but afterwards He said “You have to be real, you have to be genuine and you have to be as humble as you know how to be; and you have to be authentic because the anointing is attracted to authenticity.” I realized that true anointing comes out of authenticity. He said “You know because He says that when I go to heaven Jesus is not going to ask me “How come I wasn’t Moses, he’s not going to ask me “How come I wasn’t Billy Graphm; He’s going to say “How come you weren’t Larry, how come you didn’t…
Sid: Larry, I’m sorry we’re out of time right now, but I want to tell you something Larry is prophesying another outpouring of the Holy Spirit greater tha Pentecost that is coming to the US, He talks about it; how to prepare for it and how to be the person God’s called you to be rather than a copy. Isn’t it time your authentic.
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Sid: We want everyone everywhere to sense the urgency to share the good news with the people that God has supernaturally cross your path. I have on the telephone a new friend. When I say a new friend it’s because I met him in person really for the first time and we had lunch a few weeks ago. His name is Gordon Robertson, and you’re probably familiar with him because you see him every day on the 700 Club. His father is Pat Robertson and Gordon and I had lunch in Virginia Beach a few weeks ago. I got a chance to meet him and guess what I found out Mishpochah, he’s the same off the air as on the air, I like that it’s called being real. Gordon I want to take you back way back when just a child, but I read your dad’s life story “Shout it From the Rooftops.” And there was one thing that stuck like oatmeal on my ribs, and that was one weekend your dad was reading the Bible and the Lord told him to sell everything he had. So he just gave away everything in the apartment without consulting your mother who was away for the weekend. I’m just curious that is such an amazing thing what your dad did and of course history testifies God honored that. But tell me what you think your mother really and truly did when she came home and found the apartment empty.
Gordon: Well she wanted to kill him.
Gordon: I don’t have to tell you what I think, I know. She was with her parents in Columbus, Ohio with the children. There was just 3 of us that that point in time. Dad called her up and said “I’ve been reading the Bible and I feel God’s telling me to do something, and he didn’t tell her what. And she just sort of responded, “Well that’s nice dear it’s always good to do God wants you to do.” And came home and everything had been sold and all of the money had been given to the poor. And literally there was nothing left, there was no furniture left in the apartment.
Sid: Hmm, in retrospect how important do you think that was as history recorded things for your father’s life?
Gordon: I think it was a test, you know you look back in time and I don’t think that it was much more than a couple hundred dollars you know at this point. Dad had stopped all of his efforts to try to be a worldly success; he was working for WR Gracing and Company in New York City and had quit that job and enrolled in seminary to study for the ministry.
Sid: Your grandfather though was a prominent senator.
Gordon: He was, my grandfather was Senator Willis Robertson and at this point of time he was chairman of the US Senate Banking Committee. So he was a pretty big wheel.
Sid: Do you think he had a problem when your dad stepped down from this fine career at this grace company?
Gordon: I think granddaddy was always sort of disappointed, I shouldn’t say always, for a good period of time was disappointed that dad either didn’t follow in his footsteps into ta political career. Although later he did go into a political career.
Sid: He sure did running for President of the United States.
Gordon: Yeah, I think granddaddy was also that dad sort of turned his back on law and business. But at the same time within our family history my grandfather’s father was a Baptist Missionary, part of the Baptist Home Mission Board. I think because of that granddaddy grew up as a son of a minister. And knew some of the hardship and that’s why he was saying to my father “Are you sure?” My grandmother was a great support, she was a real woman of prayer. Her father was a lawyer who at the ripe age of 56 quit the practice of law to go into full time ministry. So it’s so it sort off was in the family tree, you study for law you get involved a little in politics but you always return to the ministry. So it seems strange that God’s is working through the generations this way but you go back deep into the Robertson family and for generations you find ministers.
Sid: Now you were as a family, your parents and the children, really as I understand it was struggling financially to the point where some evenings all you had was soy beans.
Gordon: We are so many soy beans that I don’t eat soy beans anymore.
Gordon: It was a regular part of our diet for several years.
Sid: Did it bother you that you knew your grandparents had money, here your father’s in the ministry and why do you have to live like this?
Gordon: Well I’d go see granddaddy and here’s granddaddy the US Senator, a nice home in the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia. I’d spend 6 weeks in the summer with grandmommy and it would be breakfast of cornflakes and strawberries with half and half. And every night was either roast beef or turkey.
Sid: Did you think sometimes maybe I don’t want to go home.
Gordon: Yeah, yeah I mean it was you know some people you grow up without and you don’t know you have it. And it’s sort of the worst to grow up without and know that. I would go to either grandparents my mother’s father was the president of a paint company that had an oversea office in Beirut and so they lived in Beirut for a good decade and they were well to do an Ohio family. So I would visit them and we’d see the difference, and we’d visit my US Senator grandfather and we’d see a very definite difference and we’d go home to soybeans. And it left a mark, it left a mark on I think all of the children as to the sacrifice involved in following the Lord and being obedient to the vision.
Sid: So did you have any inkling that you would end up in ministries as a young person?
Gordon: There were words spoken over me when I was 5 and 6 and 7 years old that I was called to ministry, that one day I would be a host of the 700 Club.
Sid: Did you want to stone them and say “You’re a false prophet?” Or did you just listen?
Gordon: I rebuked them soundly in Jesus’ Name and I said “No way.” And because you know you see this and you see what the sacrifice is involved. And if you don’t understand the other side of it that the word of the Lord can literally burn in your bones. You know it becomes your highest and your greatest, it becomes that treasure that you want to sell everything to get. Until you understand that it doesn’t make any sense to you, why would you… you know dad was a Yale Law School Graduate working for W.R. Grayson and then for an investment Banking Firm in New York City and he left all of that. And you know the political position of his father literally could have named his ticket. He left all of that to pursue a vision for Christian television at a point and time where no one had a vision for Christian television.
Sid: Were you angry with God that your family wasn’t a normal prosperous family?
Gordon: I don’t know if it ever got to a point that I was angry with God growing up. I think later on in sort of the college timeframe it turned into that. As a child I don’t remember that. I remember being frustrated with sort of our circumstance and saying “Well if this is cost of it, then why do it?”
Sid: Out of curiosity have you learned a lesson that perhaps you play out with your own family having gone through a father in ministry, you’re now in ministry, how do you handle it?
Gordon: I actually feel a real tender heart for all pastors children anywhere. Most pastors families and there are exceptions but most of them, the majority of them don’t live with them. And so I tend to go out of my way to make sure that I try some anonymous ways to send money and make sure that the recipients know that this is not for anything other than your wife and your children. In terms of my own children they’re not growing up with lack, those early days of living on soybeans for the Robertson family are over so I don’t have that. What I do try to make sure with my family is that… and my father did this with me as well that they know the presence of God. That this is not something that they haven’t tasted and handled it and that they know it and that they know it deep in their spirits. That they know that God wants to directly speak with everybody.
Sid: Gordon, unfortunately we’re out of time right now. I want to find out about that supernatural visitation you had. You’re a lawyer and you get a phone call this minister had a dream that you’re supposed to go on the mission-field. You didn’t want to do it but we’ll talk about that on tomorrow’s broadcast.
Sid: On yesterday’s broadcast we were talking about this special bookmark. I love the title, talking to Trish Frost. And the bookmarks title is “I am Father God’s happy thought.” And Trish you’ve listed scriptures here and different categories and you said you like to just put it on your mirror remind you. But let me just read a few of the scriptures. “I am loved by my Father” and then I’ll read a few of the scriptures. Jeremiah 31:3 “Father loves me with an everlasting love. I have never not been loved by my Father.” And it’s talking about Father God. Let me read that again, some of you missed it. “Father loves me with an everlasting love. I have never not been loved by my Father.” Then John 3:16 “Father loves me so much that He gave His only Son to die for me so I might know his love.” You know Trish by the time someone reads this it won’t be that I am Father God’s happy thought they’re going to be filled with the love of God. I don’t think that you can get through this without feeling that way but so many people are wounded. Give me some… describe some symptoms of people that are wounded.
Trisha: Well let me step back just for a minute and pick up on what you just said. I feel like everybody is looking for a type of love Sid that’s unconditional. In other words, we feel loved by certain people in our life but you know “I’m loved if, or if I can do these things or if this happens or maybe somebody will love me.” And maybe we don’t realize that we’re loved unconditionally just the way we are right now if we never do another thing. I mean what if you were a paraplegic in a wheelchair and you couldn’t do anything to perform for love would you know that you’re still loved? And I feel like that’s where Father wants us all… I mean that whole happy thought card is all about us knowing and putting inside of us the scriptures. Scriptures after scripture, after scripture that changes our image of God being a cop in the sky, a God that you have to perform for to just a loving Father. Because most people have not…they didn’t grow up in a home with a loving father. And when you don’t grow up in a home with a loving father you tend to relate to Father God the same way that you relate to your earthly father. And when we do that it can cause woundedness and we’ve seen that when we’re wounded in or family of origin I see it all the time so many people that they just kind of wear shame or they just feel like nobody loves them so they build these walls of self-protection or…
Sid: And those walls people start rejecting them because of the walls that they have because they were rejected.
Trisha: Exactly, you reject you feel that. And then some more characteristics of woundedness people become possessive in their relationships with other people if they finally found somebody that loves them. This is what happened to Jack and I we just really began to suck the life right out of each other because we were so wounded. Finally someone showed us love and so we became possessive of each other and so we began to control and then we began to manipulate our relationship to get what we needed from the other person. And you know then people would try to tell us these things and we couldn’t receive correction. We couldn’t receive correction because we couldn’t trust, we could not trust the very people in our life that were trying to love us and trying to help nurture us and to help grow us up. So we found it very difficult to receive love from anybody and or we became so self-centered. You know I have a need for constant constant attention and if I didn’t get constant attention from Jack then I would manipulate, control, I would do whatever it took just for Jack to notice me, or Father God to notice me or my daddy to notice me. And sometimes we as parents we don’t have time for intimacy, we don’t have time to show people just how much they’re loved. And when we don’t have time for the very people that God’s put in our life to relate to and to nurture then it builds those walls of rejection.
Sid: So what does someone do that listening to you right now and is saying “That’s me but the walls are too big, what should I do, where should I start?” What would you say to them?
Trisha: I would tell them… begin to ask… the first thing I tell them to do is to pick up our book “Unbound Breaking Free of Life’s Entanglements.” Because there’s so much, people feel like there’s so much I can’t possibly do everything so…
Sid: And they’ve thrown in the towel, they’ve given up even trying because it’s too big.
Trisha: Well I tell people that whenever… I encounter people like this all the time I was one of those people. It’s one issue at a time, when I began to ask Father God to show me “Okay, what are the things inside of me that are wounding the very people that I love and I want to have an intimate relationship and it needs to begin with You Father God?” I for my life He began to show me one issue at a time. I feel like everything else is under grace until Father God shows us. And as we begin to okay… here’s a wound in my life and here’s the person that wounded me and I can’t relate to this person because I’m afraid of this person because I can’t trust you know so I closed my heart to love to the ability to trust this person. So all of a sudden okay now I understand this, so I take that person and I ask Father God “God,” (I hate to sound like I’m coming across with a plan and it’s really not a plan it’s a relation) “Father, I’m having conflict with this person in my life and I have wounded this person, I have hurt this person, I really want to relate and to love this person, I want to see them the way that you see them.” And so it starts by asking God to show you how He feels about that person. And then the second thing is “How have I wounded that person or how has that person wounded me? Am I willing to identify that behavior that stronghold and I’m willing to let go of it through forgiveness?” And somebody told me one time that “Forgiveness is actually take it and turn it around it’s the ability to give for a person, that’s how you know that you have true forgiveness for somebody because you never going forget what they did to you but you can let go of the pain that’s attached to the woundedness where they’ve hurt you.” So I tell people “First identify the wound, you know identify the behavior; then asked the Lord to show you how can I forgive this person.” And then I hear “Well you don’t understand what that person did to me I can’t forgive.” Well you know, yes you can. I really believe that you can forgive, it may take time and we’re not asking you to forget the pain, we’re just asking you to allow Father to forgive them through you.” You know Father, I can’t forgive them but You can.
Sid: You talk about doing one thing at a time as it’s revealed to you, could you tell me one real thing that you did in your relationship with your husband that broke something open.
Trisha: Oh gosh, have we got the rest of the day….(Laughing) no. Again, I grew up in home with a loving father and so it was so easy to relate to God as love and as a loving father and then I married this wounded man. And he’s so wounded, if I had known that Jack was as wounded as he was we probably wouldn’t have married. And so he was constantly distant, and unapproachable and he was not affectionate, he was emotionally unattached the very opposite of the environment that I grew up in. And so I began to just build walls of self-protection because I honestly didn’t know how to live life with Jack. I didn’t know how to do anything except perform for a place of value in his heart. And so after a while you get tired of performing and I just got so tired of having to feel like I had to do everything right to have a place of value. That I just began to build in my heart this stronghold of isolation, I really became cold toward Jack. I just didn’t have a place of value in my heart for him and so I knew that was wrong. I even actually made a plan to leave and divorce Jack this was right before the revelation of the Father’s love. I had made a plan, my brother was going to help me out to leave because I got so tired of him wounding us and wounding our family. And he’s the guy who’s going out and talking about strongholds, he had a revelation about strongholds at this time but he wasn’t living from that revelation. It wasn’t until the revelation of the Father’s love and the blessing that Jack’s behavior began to change. And so I had to forgive him and when he came home that night from that conference and asked me to forgive him you know we’re talking at this point 20 years of pain, 20 years of feeling neglected,20 years of feeling like I was Leah in his life instead of Rachael. You know that Rachael was the one that Jack loved and in fact Rachael was the ministry or the sea or things like that or adventure. But you know I always felt like Leah the one that he just tolerated and so when he came home that night and he asked me to forgive him I couldn’t forgive him right in that moment I had to process through is this real or…
Sid: What did he ask you to forgive him of?
Trisha: For 20 years of just being cold and distant and emotionally unattached.
Sid: He knew this.
Trisha: Jack had the idea that wives served their husbands you know to the point of slavery. And you get very little in return and so that was wounding but you know I can’t blame Jack I allowed it to happen.