SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome, welcome to my world, where it’s naturally supernatural. I love it! I wouldn’t want to change one iota of living in the supernatural. My guest went to a spirit-filled church, a young man, and he saw such excess, so he left and he said, “I’m going to an evangelical church where everything is biblical.” And he went to it and he saw such dryness. He saw no miracles, but even in the spirit-filled church he only saw a few miracles. So he got…have you ever heard of someone getting burned out? He got burned out. But then he prayed to God and he said, “God, there’s gotta be an answer! I need a breakthrough in my life!” And God spoke to him and he had a breakthrough. How many of you want to find the revelation for breakthrough? Someone was just healed of a neck problem. Test it; you’ll see. Larry Sparks, at age 16, became a believer in the Messiah, but something transformed his life. He went to a dynamic congregation that worshiped God, but he got something he really didn’t expect. What happened?
LARRY: I was 16 and I drove to this church, and I remember at the time, God was really inciting a hunger inside of me for Him, and I went, and at the time, you know, they were doing praise and worship music. They had drums and guitars, all this stuff going, and the music was a little bizarre. People were clapping their hands and raising their hands, and for me it was so strange, but the teaching so resonated with me. I wanted to know about God, who God was, and I would actually skip the music sometimes. I just didn’t want to have anything to do with it. And then one Saturday night, July of 1999, I went to the church. The music was going on, and I was standing there and just without any warning God showed up. He touched me. I literally felt in my chest, like, a heat, like a burning, and then in my hands an electricity, like, a sud[den]…I didn’t need faith to feel it. It was real; it was a real experience, and I thought to myself, this God who I learned about going to school…I went to a Christian school, I had a Christian upbringing, and I learned information about God, but that day God made Himself real to me, and it was a subtle encounter but it was so supernatural and I’ve actually been living out of that encounter ever since then. He showed He was real.
SID: Okay, Larry, so, you go to a nice…now, you get kind of used to the raising of the hands…
SID: …and the worship, and you go to this nice spirit-filled church and you loved it, but after a while there were things that began to bother you, because you’re kind of a theologian-type and things have to be in the Word. What was bothering you?
LARRY: Well, God was turned into a formula. God, the God who I experienced as a person, the God who touched me and I felt the heat, felt the electricity, this church culture kind of turned Him into a formula where they went to the Bible and it was all about finding things in the Bible, where you could pray something and pray a promise just to get whatever you want, need or desire from God. It was amazing how much emphasis was placed, not just on getting money, but how God almost became like a vending machine, like Santa Claus, like, you gave him your list in prayer and you basically said, ‘God, give me this stuff.’
SID: I heard one person say, “Well, God is like Aladdin’s Lamp. You just rub it and you get anything you want.” I mean, what is this?
LARRY: Yeah. Well, what happened is, I left, kind of, this hyper-faith type of church and I ran in the opposite direction. I said to my…I remember me and my wife saying we don’t want to have anything to do with that kind of stuff. In fact, when we’d go to other kind of charismatic, spirit-filled churches and hear that same language, we’d run away screaming just because, it’s like, we don’t want that. So we went to other churches where there was a strong theology of the cross, of forgiveness of sin, of knowing that we’re right with God, of righteousness, and those things are necessary and I celebrate them, but what was not there was faith to see God do anything for us today. So they believed that you’d get healed, maybe. They believed you’d get a breakthrough, maybe, but ultimately if you don’t get it now it’s okay because you’ll get it when you get to heaven. So they prayed prayers like, ‘If it be Thy will. God’s will is mysterious. You never know what God’s gonna do. All you need to do is just trust Him and whatever happens will happen.’ And I just knew in my heart that just didn’t settle it for me. I knew there were certain things that the Bible said God will do, and if we stand on what He said, if we believe what He says, we can actually see those things happen, with confidence!
SID: So, he sees this one extreme; no intimacy with God, just [formulas]. He goes to the other extreme; just the rules, and he doesn’t know what to do. So what do you do when you don’t know what to do? You pray to God. That’s what you did! What happened?
LARRY: Yes. I said, “God, what does faith look like?” And the Lord had me on a journey of actually going through the Bible, going through the Gospels and looking at healing. I think the Lord really wanted to reignite a fire in my heart that I encountered when I was 16; know that He is real, and that what He said, He will do. So I went to the Bible. That’s what I did. I said, “God, what do You define faith as?” And then He took me to a story in the Gospels that changed everything for me. There was supernatural revelation and He gave me actually a definition, a picture, an actual picture of what true Bible faith looked like.
SID: When we come back, we are going to explain what God showed him about true Bible faith that will cause you to have a breakthrough of epic proportions.
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Sid: Now I have in the studio Pat Holliday from Jacksonville, Florida. I tell you this is way I like to see evangelism it’s supernatural evangelism. Pat found herself in Jerusalem, Israel and this is back in 1975 at a Katherine Kuhlman service and she started talking in unknown tongues to Jewish people. She speaks no words of Hebrew, but she spoke to them and they understood exactly what she said. They responded to her, she didn’t know what they were saying, and then she felt that she was supposed to lay hands on them and they all experienced encounters with the Spirit of Living God. She found out later that she actually told them to come to the Lord in tongues and if they wanted to let her lay hands on them. She laid hands on them and there was some 25 people, is that right Pat?
Pat: Yes, all men.
Sid: Twenty-five Jewish people. That’s the way that’s my kind of evangelism. But something else happened that was very interesting. You had been a very sickly person.
Sid: I guess being involved in the New Age that drains you really bad.
Pat: Oh it makes you really sick.
Sid: Before you had your deliverance and you became a child of God but still your body had a toll it paid a price. But you were at a Katherine Kuhlman service in Jerusalem and what happened to you?
Pat: Well I was standing out in the lobby I had given my seat up for the Jews because they require a sign. And I had seen her before.
Sid: Oh, there are a lot of Christians say “Oh God I want to miracle ministry,” they don’t know the reason. The reason they want a miracle ministry is to reach the Jew. The reason they want to reach the Jew is so the middle wall of separation comes down. There’s a dynamic Pat when a Christian, a gentile Christian and a Jew become one a body of Messiah it’s a chemistry, it’s a chemical equation. As the Book of Amos says “Then the rest of the Gentiles come in.” The devil trembles when Christian’s understand this fact. So you had given up your seat.
Pat: Yes, and 2 men came up to me and they said “We have a seat down front for you.” So they took me by the hand and led me there. I sat and the Spirit of the Lord came upon me and He took His two fingers put them on my eyes and it put me in a real light trance. I could still hear things around me but I was like totally submitted to the Lord. So the Lord told me He said “Pat, I’m going to heal your body today and I’m going to heal your husband when you go home and I’m going to save him.” He told me… when He said that it was like a bucket of oil was poured over me. And I just moved my neck all around and I felt like that tin man in the wizard of Oz when they oiled him up. And he said “Oh I can move” and he was dancing, and that’s the way I felt. And so of course when I got back home my husband was healed. And…
Sid: And what about you?
Pat: I was totally healed I’ve never been sick.
Pat: Yeah. I haven’t been to the doctor in 27 years Sid the Lord does it for me all the time. How can I come and tell you that Jesus can heal you if I can’t believe that for me you see? Doesn’t mean I don’t get under attack because sometimes I do you know but from that moment is when the Lord started bringing the Jews to me and they would receive the baptism. But when I got back home Sid my family thought I’d had a face lift because when the Lord wiped His hands across my eyes it took every wrinkle out, every wrinkle. And then Parson Carson even thought I’d had a face lift.
Sid: It sounds a lot better than a face lift to me.
Pat: Yeah, oh yeah and I said “It’s time Lord for you to do it again.”
Pat: And I don’t think I don’t I don’t think I have a lot of wrinkles on my face anyway, but hello, hello. (Laughing)
Sid: No, no actually I’m not going to give away your age but how many years ago was that?
Pat: Thirty years ago.
Sid: But I’ll tell you what we’ve got several females in the engineering room right now and I can tell both of them are saying “I want a Holy Ghost face lift.” (Laughing)
Pat: (Laughing) a huh.
Sid: (Laughing) Oh, now they’re getting mad at me. I’m going to get into big trouble.
Pat: Your getting worldly, but anyway when I came back home I was attending this little prayer meeting and people just started coming in and getting healed. And I’ve seen the Lord do so many miracles. Miracles to me is normal, that’s normal Christianity.
Sid: Okay, I’ve got in my notes the most wonderful story. His name if I can say it his first name is Kevin.
Sid: And he had AIDS. Now that’s a death sentence when you have AIDS. If you have HIV it may or may not develop but if you have full blown AIDS that’s a death sentence. What happened to Kevin?
Pat: Kevin was in the Intensive Care Room and Marilyn his mother the doctor told her said “Let’s just turn the machines off he’s going to die. She said “Let me pray,” she prayed. And then she called the lady over in Orange Park Ronnie Bowater. And she said “Get to Pat Holliday the Lord will heal him.” She brought him over to the church and he could hardly breathe he was right off of the intensive care. And so when I laid hands on him first Sid I cast the devil of AIDS out. And I know that a lot of people are not going to believe that but it is a spirit. Then I laid my hands on his lungs and prayed for healing. Well he went to the doctor and got clean paper, you know got healing paper. Then he went back out on the 18 wheeler truck that he’d been driving before within 6 months. Well he found a wife out on the road and married her and they produced a child called Clarissa. And Clarissa is 4 years so Kevin’s still alive so he’s…that was four years ago. And Clarissa, they brought her to the church and you know generational curses the sins of the father comes down on the children.
Sid: Oh, a lot of people are fighting what are known as familiar spirits that have been in generation after… have you noticed that if someone’s an alcoholic they have a father or a mother that was alcoholic and keep going back.
Pat: Hmm hm.
Sid: Those are those familiar spirits that passed on from generation to generation.
Pat: Well they brought Clarissa to me when she was maybe 6 weeks old and I just laid my hand on her and I commanded the spirit of AIDS to leave that child. And you know Sid that girl had manifestations just like an adult person getting deliverance. Her face twisted, her little arms stretched out, her little body was moving all around thrashing. That child coughed a few times and she’s been healed ever since. That little child is a joy to her grandmother I can tell you that.
Sid: Pat you told me about this fellow who was alcoholic he had this gigantic beer belly, he fell down and he had to be hospitalized. What happened to him?
Pat: Well I went over the intensive care, well the operation. The doctor came out and said he had burst his bladder. He said he had never seen anybody live from that. And he said “We tried to sew it up and we glued it.” So I went over every day for about a week praying for him.
Sid: Well that doesn’t sound too permanent gluing a bladder.
Pat: Well Jesus has got a glue too. (Laughing) because he’s still alive that’s been 4 years ago or longer. And he’s still alive.
Sid: Pat when you pray for someone that needs a physical healing do you pray by faith primarily, or do you pray just for people that God tells you to pray for?
Pat: Well miracles to me is normal, healing is normal to me I just believe God can do it. Then too Sid there’s something called a gift of faith. All of us have faith to heal the sick but there is a gift of faith. That gift is God faith and I’ve prayed for people actually that I didn’t believe could be healed.
Sid: You know Pat in Mark 11:22 in most Bibles it says “Have faith in God.” But in the Greek it says “Have the faith of God.” And that’s what you’re talking about.
Pat: But you know Sid in prayer lines throughout the years people have come up to be healed and I would look at them and my mind would say “Everybody’s going to get healed but you.” I remember down in St. Augustine a man came through the prayer line and he had rheumatoid arthritis and his knees had drooped over until they were about touching the floor. And he drug himself up to me and I looked at him and that’s the thought “This is too much for God.” Well you know what happened.
Sid: What’s that?
Pat: He got healed, his bones straightened out.
Sid: So your telling me it wasn’t your faith at all it had to be God’s faith. That’s my kind of faith, I don’t want faith in God I got that. Lots of people have faith in God, I want the faith of God.
SID: Hello. Welcome. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. You know, many people have given up on understanding the Book of Revelation. Other people are just flat so fearful they don’t want to read the Book of Revelation. And then others, believe it or not, they think the Book of Revelation was finished in 70 A.D. when the temple was destroyed. Well none of those three are acceptable. I always wondered about a scripture that I read in the New Testament: “The love of most will grow cold in the last days.” The love of most will grow cold. Why? They won’t understand the season and the times that they’re in. The Book of Revelation is the key to the last days. You must understand it. My guest has invested 80,000 hours researching the scriptures and is considered a pioneer in understanding the Hebraic roots of the faith and putting the two together. You will understand the End Time book for the Bible, the Book of Revelation. Well the studio audience is so excited because we have Perry Stone here. I feel like I know Perry because I’ve watched him on television so much and I’ve bumped into him when we both had tours to Israel. But Perry, 80,000 hours studying the Bible?
PERRY: Eight to 14 hours a day and my staff is here. They’ll verify that. It’s just been my life to understand the Word. You know, especially prophetic events and the Book of Revelation is one of those books.
SID: But why is it that many churches today are not interested in hearing prophecy? Look, when I became a believer in the Messiah I couldn’t get enough prophecy, prophecy about why Jesus was the Messiah, prophecy about End Times. But it seems as though the pendulum is swinging.
PERRY: I think there’s a couple of reasons. Reason number one is people think it’s too difficult to understand. Number two, it does contain symbolism, which has to be interpreted from the scripture itself. And if you don’t know the Old Testament, some of that symbolism isn’t going to make sense in the Book of Revelation. You have to, have to—
SID: Could that be the reason that many Christians are saying, well we’re no longer under the Law, so we won’t even look at the Old Testament.
PERRY: Let me give you an example. In the Book of Genesis, Joseph has this dream of sun and stars bowing before him. In Revelation Chapter 12, there’s a woman in travail and it talks about the sun and the stars, and the moon, and it all refers back to Joseph’s dream. Joseph’s dream was about Israel and that is a picture of the Nation of Israel. So if you don’t understand Joseph’s dream, which is in the Torah, how are you going to understand what’s written in the Book of Revelation? So what the book does, I think, we’re talking about why people don’t study. And the third reason is people see it as a negative book when it’s not. Here’s what the Book of Revelation actually is. It is Jesus as our high priest in Chapter 1. But we then see him in Chapter 19 coming back to rule on Earth in a thousand years as king of kings. The Book of Revelation is called the Revelation of Jesus Christ. But yet throughout the book you see plagues and judgment. So people don’t understand what’s taking place many times. Here’s the bottom line. It is Jesus transferring from the priestly position to the kingly position. He is transferring as the high priest to the king, because he is a priest after the Order of Melchizedek. Melchizedek was a priest and a king, priest of the most high God, king of Jerusalem. So in this role of priesthood that the Messiah, Yeshua is in. He is now high priest of the profession of our faith, but he has to transfer to take the world over as king. The Book of Revelation explains to you the process of how he judges the world in order to legally take it back from the God of this world who is Satan, who has taken over the kingdoms and the governments of this world. And so that’s what the whole theme of the book is, the transference of Yeshua the Messiah from high priest to king. And in the process of doing that what is interesting is in the book there’s a seven-seal book. In the Roman time, Cesar Augustus’ will was sealed with seven seals. In the Roman time, a wealthy person’s will was sealed with seven seals. But what those seals were —
SID: You know what? You would never understand any of this symbolism unless you knew the Old Covenant.
PERRY: That’s right.
SID: When it says, “No longer under the law” and it states that in the New Testament, Paul says it. What does he really mean?
PERRY: Let me just say this real quick, and those in — again understanding the Book of Revelation, understanding where we’re living. The Five Books of Moses, part of that contains is what is called The Law of God. It’s not the Law of Moses, the Law of God. But there was ceremonial, sacrificial and moral law. Sacrificial law was fulfilled through Christ. That’s what the Apostle Paul is talking about. You don’t go back to the temple to offer blood offering when the final lamb was offered. There is no more sacrifice of sin. However, the ceremonial law includes the Sabbath, the new moons and the Feast. Part of those were fulfilled through Christ. Part of those are going to be fulfilled with the future during the tribulation, the coming of Christ. We call it the rapture and also the kingdom, which is the rule and the reign. That happens in the future. That’s your three qualities. The moral law of God has never changed because the moral law of God is the character of God. So in other words, when you see God says, don’t like, don’t steal, don’t commit adultery, that’s all found in what we call the New Covenant teaching. And so in other words, people have, I grew up in a full gospel church and everybody kind of dubbed it altogether and said, Christ has done away the law. The problem you have with even implying it the way it’s understood in the West or interpreted in the West, is then you have to do away with those prophecies that are there that haven’t even come to pass yet. How could it be done away with when certain things have not yet happened?
SID: Well when he says, “no longer under the law,” we’re no longer under the law of temple animal sacrifices.
SID: That’s what he’s talking about. But actually, Jesus makes it a little more difficult than we have in the Old Covenant. But you’ll never understand it unless you, Book of Revelation will remain a mystery unless you have the key, which is in the Old Covenant.
SID: The Old Covenant will remain a mystery unless you have the key, which is the New Covenant. And the two together are the Word of God. But there’s only one book in the entire Bible that says, “I God will bless those that hear this book.” There’s only one book in the entire Bible in which God says, “I God will curse anyone that tampers with one word of this book.” It’s the Book of Revelation. And I don’t want it to be a mystery for you any more or you may miss what’s going on in the last days. Be right back.
Sid: I’ve got a copy of David Herzog’s brand new book; it’s called “Jump Start Your Way to Healthy Living, Twenty-One Days From Natural to Supernatural Health.” Let me read a quote from someone on the back of the book. “I love the way David Herzog explains the ancient mystery about how people used to live longer.” And the quote is by me (Laughing) Sid Roth. David, let’s start there today; why is it… I mean you see how long these these people lived in the Bible. And although the life spans increasing now because of modern medicine excreta, quality life isn’t increasing, but the length of life is increasing. It’s still nowhere close to what the ancients lived.
David: Oh yeah it’s exactly true. The ancients lived I mean you look in the Bible 800 years old, a 1000 years old. Even today like even 100 years ago researchers went to different parts of the world indigenous people groups and some of them were living way longer than the western world and a lot of it was connected to their diet their lifestyle everything. It’s just like Okinawa, Japan even to this day people live longer there than other places and their lifestyle their diet stress free living has a lot to do with it.
Sid: I know you just hit a very important word stress free living. Most people they’re operating in stress and they don’t even know it. They say “I’m not stressed out.” But they are because the body doesn’t know the difference between good stress and bad stress. Stress is stress to the body. You have some suggestions to live a stress-free life in your book; tell me a few.
David: Yeah it’s multiple things; first of all of course spiritually you want to be strong with God. Spend the first part of the day with God and the word, that reduces stress big time. Your burdens, emotional things; the Bible says “Give your burdens to the Lord,” you know not to hold them. Oh there’s exercise as well; when you go for a brisk walk or do something I notice outdoors with exercise it reduces a huge amount of stress. And also just mental like people think the worse; they have fear, they have worry. So all those put together. And then you have the electromagnetic stress you got the cell phones all those sleep right next to their bed and they have cell phones, computers, all that is emanating so much stuff. People can’t sleep at night they have insomnia which increases the stress. Our grandparents they went to bed as soon as the sun went down because they didn’t have a lot of TV, or cell phones, or electromagnetics. So actually they were more peaceful in one sense they weren’t over burdened with all the stress we have today. So I talk about ways in the book how to reduce the stress the stress mentally, emotionally, physically, spiritually and when you do those it way reduces your stress and you can actually live longer.
Sid: Now why did people live so long in the Bible days? I mean 500 years, 800 years I mean this is ridiculous I mean what was different back then that we don’t have today?
David: Well Adam and Eve we know they weren’t suppose to die until they sinned. So sin leads to death and so even after they sinned they didn’t live forever. But they were living a 1000, 800 and seemed like as life increased on the earth life spans went down, down, down. So it’s connected to the blood; the blood of Jesus puts you back into communion with God and I believe can actually help you to live longer. So like your DNA when you say “Lord this is Your blood, this is your (when you take communion) this is Your body” something can happen by faith even in your DNA God can reset your DNA, your spirit man and you can live longer. So I think sin is one of them but I think also in those days they still had healthier lifestyles; they didn’t have to find a health food store everything was raw and organic to begin with. And as we get more in the modern age we live less and less healthy natural lives the way God intended so the consequences are sickness, death, and sin also has a lot to do with the human condition.
Sid: Now everyone has heard about organic food why is that important? I know it’s more expensive but why is it so important.
David: You get like way more nutrition like organic fruit or vegetable so you actually get more for your money. You get like 10 times more; I have statistics on different foods when it’s organic and not. You don’t actually get the full amount of nutrition you’re supposed to get when you buy non-organic because it has pesticide, it has sprayed, it has all kinds of toxins. And you don’t get the full amount of nutrition. So you actually get more for your money with organic because you get the full amount of nutrients you’re supposed to get in a fruit or an apple or a vegetable.
Sid: Now I know you; I know your family. You and your family are all the picture of health and so your whole family’s on this program. But tell me about one of your employees by the name of Dana.
David: Yeah she started reading my book; started putting those principals together and she first of all she lost about let’s see what was it 30 pounds in just a very short amount of time. Mentally her stress levels went down; it affected in a good way her family, her marriage, like everything began to change in her life just from that.
Sid: And you talk… and I have to tell you when someone reads your book they might say “Oh, not a lot of meat, raw foods, come on now give me a break,” but you have some compelling reasons. Why should someone want raw foods rather than cooked foods with lots of salt in it and you know. But what’s the difference really and truly between the raw and the cooked?
David: Well when it comes to vegetables most; there’s a couple of vegetables that you need to steam like broccoli or whatever. But in general the enzymes after you’re like 30 and up you don’t produce enzymes and so when you’re young you can go to Pizza Hut; eat all you want you look great. After a certain age you can’t get away with that because your body’s not producing enzymes. So the only way to get the enzymes is from the food; when you cook the vegetables it kills all the enzymes. And so it doesn’t help you eliminate the foods that you’re eating. Raw foods you eliminate immediately it goes right through you. So even if you were to east say a piece of meat and that meat takes hours and hours to digest. If you have raw food the enzymes in that raw food will help the whole thing digest a lot faster. Whatever you eat it’s got to come out if it doesn’t come out it’s still in you and it’s creating toxins and it’s creating gases and it’s creating a lot of problems. And so the bottom line is raw food that you eat get out fast enough, really fast because with the cooked food you really lose a lot of nutrients, the vitamins, all the good stuff you lose most of it when you cook it.
Sid: Now you also talk a lot about juicing. Why not just eat a bunch of apples and pears during the day why juice, that’s a lot of trouble? (Laughing)
David: Well you know if you wanted to have the maximum, maximum health, you couldn’t eat all the foods in the short time that you could in juicing. Like you know kale and cucumbers and carrots in there and you can stick apples and corellas. And to do all that and make a salad might take you a long time; you stick it in a blender and it breaks it down for you and it’s like liquid energy, liquid health. You could eat a big raw salad and fruit but takes even longer for it to digest. So I recommend a combination of both. When you first wake up in the morning; if you do raw juicing, or blender, and all of the nutrients go immediately to your cells or to your blood stream and it’s like you get this natural high first thing in the morning. So it breaks it down much faster than in your own body and stomach could do it. Again because the enzymes; it’s amazing, people that try it they get hocked on it because it’s almost like they get addicted to the feeling of the raw juicing and then the rest of the day they’re so full of energy. Even it feels you up; like sticking an avocado in there; you stick some fruits and veggies and some… a bunch of different things you couldn’t even eat all of that a lot of times in a salad but you stick it in the juice you get it all in there. And a lot of times you’re not even hungry until dinnertime. Many, many times it’s so good for you.
Sid: Now do you mix vegetable juice, or do you have a vegetable juice in the morning and a fruit juice in the afternoon?
David: What I do is in the morning when I get up I try to do it the first thing. The first part of the day I put them together. Because if you just do the veggies sometimes they don’t taste that great you know. If you just put a bunch of kale in there; so I put like kale from my garden, I have a garden with some food growing there. I put some kale, I’ll put some berries, sometimes I’ll actually put some coconut water in there instead of water. And I mix different things in there and you know cucumbers, goji berries; all these super-foods put a little spirulina, chlorella, and then it tastes wonderful too. The taste is great, you got the combination of both. It’s wonderful.
Sid: Do you ever put protein powder in?
David: I used to it a long time now I do it I use healthier versions of protein like hemp protein. Chlorella and spirulina actually are one of the highest proteins that you can get. But their plant based protein and they have actually as much protein than the other stuff that you can buy and it’s healthier.
Sid: Now when people follow your 21 day program what feedback do you get?
David: People like I told you like Dana and others like her say they lost 20, 30 pounds. She lost 30 pounds; people look like 10 years younger many times just after they do the 3 weeks because they combine the health with fasting. I’m sorry not fasting, with prayer with mental changes; with breaking off old patterns in their life emotionally, physically, and spiritually. And so basically the whole man gets changed. Most diets they just do just a physical diet but let’s say they still have bitterness in their heart or rejection from their father or whatever. And this 21 day you kind of hit everything at one time and you get full breakthrough.
Sid: Now our time has slipped away but I’ll tell you something; we call this “The Power and Glory Package.” Why, because the power is released in the foods the way God intended and your body. I mean “David, can you imagine the average person, their bodies all clogged up, they love God with all of their heart but come about 5:00PM they just go home and collapse. There’s got to be a better life than that.
David: There has to be because we’re in the end times and God’s raising up an end time army but the end time army is sick physically the enemy doesn’t even have to stop them they’re already self defeating themselves and can’t answer God’s harvest. So He’s wanting people to be healthy, strong in every way so they can actually fulfill their destiny and their call.
Sid: We want everyone everywhere to be red hot for the Messiah. As a matter of fact, I can’t understand why everyone is not red hot for the Messiah. Do you know red hot is normal? Lukewarm, you get vomited out of God’s mouth according to the book of Revelation, and cold I don’t have to define that you know what cold is. So red hot is normal and if you’re not normal then you’ve turned into the right station at the right time because I’ve got a man that’s also like me; he’s red hot. You’ve heard of the organization he started Promise Keepers. His name is Coach Bill McCartney. Many of you know him because of his supernatural, and I do say supernatural coaching career. On yesterday’s broadcast we found out that when he was a Coach at the University of Colorado he did okay but nothing special. His Pastor comes walking up to him and he said “He had a dream about him and that he’d be Coach of the Year and that he’d have a golden year.” Coach just for those that didn’t hear it yesterday or those that need to hear it again tell me again what the Headlines said and what the year was like in Colorado after that prophecy.
Coach: Well Pastor James Rowel told me that we’re going to have a Golden Season and that I would be the National Coach of the Year. Then we played our first game on national television against the University of Texas. And the next day in the Denver Post right across the Front Page it said “Buff’s” short for Buffalos; we were the Colorado Golden Buffalos. It said “Buff’s Debut Golden Season.” That was a shocking headline because you don’t win 1 game and have somebody say you’re having a Golden Season, and you don’t make 1 game and make the front page. But what happened was we won all 11 games; we ranked number 1 at the end of the regular season. I was selected the National Coach of the year and truly we had a Golden Season.
Sid: Coach, tell me about the time someone yelled to you during a football game “Where is your God now?”
Coach: It was years later when I took a team back to Ann Arbor to play the University of Michigan. Prior to the game the Lord had showed me during the summer in July that a passage in scripture Promise Keepers had exploded on the scene we were filling stadiums. And in the second chapter of Haggai the 2nd verse it says “You will shake the nations.” When I mediated on that verse I really understood at that time that God was going to shake the nations with this ministry Promise Keepers this men’s ministry. Then a little further down in the 2nd chapter in the 18th verse it says on the 9th month on the 24th day I will bless you. And I looked on the calendar I did what you would do if you were a football coach; I looked to see if on the 9th month on the 24th day if we had a game. And low and behold we were going to play the University of Michigan where 13 years ago I had come and really I had come in a prophetic sense and when God had kind of moved me to Colorado. So I asked the Lord even though on the Jewish calendar on the 9th month and the 24th day isn’t September the 24th still I asked the Lord “Can I receive that, are you going to bless me?” And the Lord affirmed to me that He was going to bless me on that day. Sure enough we’re playing Michigan and we get there I got to tell you this piece to the story. When we get there it is Friday and in the Ann Arbor news it had my picture on the sports page that wouldn’t be unusual both teams were undefeated this was a nationally televised game. This was a big game by any stretch of the imagination. So below my picture though it says Matthew 7:24 it says “This man built his house on rock.” For those of you that aren’t familiar with the verse it says “Whoever hears these words of mine and does them is like a wise man who builds his house on rock; whoever hears these words of mine and doesn’t do them is like a foolish man that builds his house on sand.” Then it says, “Storms are coming everyone is promised storms but the one who builds his house on rock his house ill endure.” So anyway you know it’s this picture of me and it’s this picture verse and trust me the Ann Arbor News doesn’t quote scripture on the sports page. And so this was highly unusual well, the next day we’re playing; we’re trailing late in the game and we’ve got time for one more play and people are familiar with football may remember this situation and we were on our own 33 yard-line time for one play left and a guy stood up in the stands, there’s 107,000 people at the game, and at this time there was just a little bit of a lull in the action so the stadium had quieted just momentarily waiting for them to move the yard sticks. This guy just bellowed out loud enough for 1000’s of people to hear. He says “McCartney where is your God now?” Well on the next play we completed a pass a deflected pass that went for a touchdown, we won the game it was called the play of the year in college football
Sid: You knew that you were going to win though.
Coach: My God showed up.
Sid: (Laughing) You’d be in big trouble if you God did not show up!
Coach: That’s right your God’s got to show up.
Sid: You and I are talking about other things before this broadcast and you keep saying to me is “All I want is God to show up.”
Sid: You know that’s all I want and that’s all everyone that’s listening that’s all you need you don’t need anything else. And in our peanut brains we try to figure out and we try to calculate and we try to plan, and the truth of the matter is that scripture that you said yesterday “Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not in your own understanding and acknowledge Him in all of your ways and He will direct your path.”
Coach: You know I’m wanting to come really close; I mean I want to be fully intimate. I want all that He has for me; I want to be filled with His Spirit. I don’t want to chase my tail; I don’t want to squander my days. I don’t want to just be a guy who knew the Lord; I want to be a guy who serves the Lord.
Sid: Give me some advice; I think any true Christian wants what you said but the flesh, the devil, other things they’re strong forces coach.
Coach: Here’s what I would say; I would say “Take God at His word; go after Him pursue Him.” The Bible says “Draw near to God and He will draw near to you.” And so you get up in the morning and you get up early enough to have a time with Him and then you pursue Him. And whether you think He showed up that day or not you just keep pursuing Him. Day after day after day you know what you’re going to discover that He’s going to wrap His arms around you; He’s going to breathe on you; He’s going to fill you with His Holy Spirit. He promises to do that because scriptures says in Matthew 5:6 it says “Blessed is he who hungers and thirst for righteousness for he shall be filled.” In other words if you hunger and thirst to be right with God if you have to have Him at all costs and you pursue Him like that. See Jeremiah 13 says “You shall seek Me and you shall find Me when you seek Me with all your heart.” God’s not looking for a part-time believer as Sid has said that is red hot. Now God may test you; you may go two weeks, God wants to be sure that you’re not going to turn back. Then He’s going to fill you with His Spirit and when He fills you with His Spirit it’s just a whole new way to live and die. It is the abundant life; now you take Him everywhere you go everything you’re involved in. Whether it’s coaching football, whether it’s men’s ministry or whether it’s being a good husband or father; whatever it is you take Him with you.
Sid: You know Coach I just want to PS to something that you’re saying. It doesn’t matter whether you feel like it; it doesn’t matter whether you say “Well, I don’t know if my hearts want You as much as my mind says, but I’m going to go after you with as an act of my will God because I really want to make contact with you. I really need to have intimacy with you.” God can’t resist that can He coach?
Coach: He’s a rewarder of those that who diligently seek Him; but you must believe that He is God. And so you got to go after Him and take Him at His word until He shows up.
Sid: Well, we did it again we’re just about out of time… very few people know about the origins of Christianity, the Jewish roots of Christianity. Very few Christians understand where traditional Judaism went astray; very few Christians understand areas where traditional Christianity went astray. Before Jesus returns, I have it on good authority the Word of God there will be the glorious church; the glorious congregations. Do you know why it will be the glorious church? Because it will be filled with manifest presence of God. Someone will not have to lay hands on you in this glorious church you’ll just have to walk into the cloud; that same cloud that Moses walked in. Did you know that Moses lived 120 years of age? He had a secret of youth; he just spent a lot of time in the glory; that’s what Coach McCartney is talking about. You don’t get old in that glory… I believe the greatest move on planet earth of God’s Spirit where more souls are going to come in. But the truth of the matter is God wants to use you; God wants to use everyone but most people will miss this move because there looking for God in a different way. I don’t know exactly how the move will be but I know some of the ingredients…
SID: Now Alice Cresswell has what the world would call, outrageous faith. Now when you pray for someone and they’re not healed, what goes on inside of you?
ALISS: It rarely happens. If someone is not healed, I will pray again. I will say, “Well it’s got to go. Let’s pray again.” So sometimes it takes two or three times, but it’s got to go.
SID: That is, although the world would call that outrageous faith, I call that normal faith. Speaking of normal faith, tell me about the man that, these gifts operate not just in her shops, they operate wherever she is. Tell me about the man with the hearing aids.
ALISS: Okay. Well that’s a great. I love that story.
SID: You like every story.
ALISS: I do, actually. They’re all amazing. God’s amazing, isn’t He. But I was in the supermarket one day and this lady was walking towards me, first of all, with, she had a, she had broken her foot.
SID: By the way, can anyone do what you’re doing as a believer.
ALISS: Oh yeah. If I can do, anybody else can do it. We all have the same Holy Spirit living in us that raised Jesus from the dead. So yeah, we just got use that power that we have through Jesus.
SID: Have you taught people to do everything you can do?
ALISS: Yeah. There’s many people that they want to see miracles and I would just teach them how to do it, and then they’re doing it. I mean, it took, me 12 years of praying. But now what you find is you get a breakthrough for other people, too. So others, I just teach them and they start doing it, and the miracles happen for them.
SID: Okay. Take me back to the store.
ALISS: Yeah. So I’m in the supermarket. There’s this lady, she obviously needs healing. So I approach her. I feel, I hope nobody is watching me. And I said to her, “Can I pray for your foot and Jesus will heal it.” And she’s like, “Oh, I’ve got to go, I’ve got to go.” And she just races off, like tries to hobble down the supermarket aisle with all the groceries everywhere. So and I’m just feeling a bit rejected when this elderly gentleman comes up to me, and he said, “Excuse me,” he said, “I love your hair.” And I thought, isn’t God good. You know, He sent somebody, you know, to try and cheer me up. And I was like, “Thank you so much.” And then I noticed he had hearing aids in both of his ears. So I said, “Can I pray for your ears and Jesus will heal them.” Well he was so deaf he couldn’t hear a word I was saying with his hearing aids turned up full. So I thought, right, I’m going to go for it. So I went like that with my hands on his ears, and I said, “In the name of Jesus, ears open.” And he said to me, “What’s going on?” He pulls out the hearing aids and he realizes he can every single word that I’m saying. And then I notice he’s got a walking stick. So he tells me he’s got muscle [unintelligible]. He hasn’t got many muscles in his legs. So I said, “Put your hand on your leg where the problem is.” So he kind of puts his hand there. Then I put my hand on top. And imagine we’re in the supermarket. I’ve got my hand on this guy’s leg. We’re standing there, you know, and then who should come around the corner, but his wife.
SID: Oh no.
ALISS: “What’s going on here?” she says. And I’m like, I said, “Oh, I’m a Christian minister,” trying to look like a Christian minister, not doing a very good job of it. “No, no, no, it’s fine.” So I just grabbed his stick and I said, “Walk in the name of Jesus.” So he starts like tentatively walking and he gets faster, and he’s like jogging up and down. And then his wife realizes he can hear every word that she’s saying. So they’re crying, they’re hugging. I’m joining in. We’re crying and hugging in the middle of the supermarket. And I said, “You know, Jesus makes it happen.” “We do actually know Jesus, but we didn’t know he heals today.”
SID: Speaking of healing, you told me about those healing angels that are here.
SID: I want you to speak what they’re showing you to speak right now.
ALISS: Well there’s somebody watching us right now and I believe that there’s somebody with multiple sclerosis. You know we mentioned that already. But the person with multiple sclerosis, I believe God is healing you right now. I really have a sense of the presence of God.
SID: Me, too.
ALISS: In this place. Real strong anointing healing right now. So we just release that healing anointing. And just, you know, I speak to the person with multiple sclerosis, but also anybody who has any kind of illness or infirmity, anything wrong with you, just put your hand now on the part of your body that you’d like healing. If it’s all over you, just put your hand on your head. And we just pray, actually release that now. In the name of Jesus, I speak to every infirmity. I speak to multiple sclerosis and I command it to go now in the name of Jesus. Everybody be healed now. Receive that into your body because it’s from Jesus. Just let him touch you and receive it by faith And then just start to test out what is going on in your body. Try and do something that you couldn’t do before.
SID: Studio audience, you do that. You at home, you think I don’t see you. Have I got a surprise. No. But come on, do something. Shake it off. Shake that spirit off. Stand up. Jump. Do whatever it takes. Give me one quick key that you’ve learned over the years to be healed.
ALISS: Oh wow.
SID: I know that’s hard with just one thing. Give me one.
ALISS: A major one is your life is not your own. Once you decide to follow Jesus, you’ve been crucified with Christ. You just got to just do whatever it takes and do not give up. I guess that’s two keys, isn’t it. But do not give up. Just keep contending for what God has put in your heart, and just do it and believe in Him.
SID: Was there a point in the 12 years that were contending that you almost gave up?
ALISS: A few times, I just thought, I would be crying and I would just say, I can’t do this anymore. But then I’d think—
SID: Especially when you pray for someone that dies.
ALISS: Oh, it’s tough. You know, and I would see people were grieving and I had some awful times that I just, and people say, well don’t raise people’s hopes up, they might get disappointed. But I thought, no, I’m going to do what the Bible says, what God has called me to do and what He’s called us to do. He said for us all to go and raise the dead and cast out demons, and heal the sick. So I just, I would just keeping going, and I just said, I know one day it’s going to happen, and one day it did.
SID: Okay. What’s the lesson for you? Don’t you dare give up. Just before, see, the reason the devil is hitting you and hammering you, and things aren’t happening, is because you’re about ready to have the biggest release, the biggest explosion of God’s spirit in history. So I mean, the devil has overplayed his hand with you. If you are one of the few people that do not know Jesus, get right with God right now. You just tell God you’re sorry for all the mistakes. You believe that His blood washes them away. You’re clean and Jesus come inside, be my Lord, use your words. He’ll understand your heart and just open yourself up to the love of God. It’s about time. He’s been waiting.
ALISS: If you want an impartation, just raise your hands, just close your eyes. Look to Jesus. Father, let your angels just wander around and touch those. I release that impartation. It’s warm and healing.
Sid: I have a guest that is red hot for the Messiah, her name is Debra Alderman I’m speaking to her at her office in Stafford, Texas a suburb of Houston, Texas. And Debra has written a book based on an encounter that she had with the Lord in which the Lord literally came to her and made her supernaturally a soul winner. And the name of the book is “You Can Be an Overnight Soul Winner.” The reason is that the anointings are transferable. And after that visitation from the Lord she became a supernatural soul winner. And so I really want you to get this book; we’ll explain later how you can get it but Debra on yesterday’s broadcast you talked about a real character. I mean you’re just in joying yourself and this man all dressed in white comes and talks to you; this was before you were a believer. Comes and talks to you about Jesus. What did you think of him?
Debra: I thought that he was absolutely out of his mind; I couldn’t believe Sid that he had the nerve to walk up to our table uninvited and begin to tell us that we needed Jesus Christ.
Sid: Out of curiosity, what was going on in your life at that time?
Debra: I was enjoying drinking alcohol, smoking pot, doing cocaine. I mean I was just living a very wild partying life and I was having too much fun. And in my mind I always thought that Christians and church people had no fun and so I wasn’t looking to change my life at all.
Sid: So when he shared with you what did you say to him?
Debra: I just you know I kind of looked at him and I said “Well, you know we’re just drinking out beer and having a good time but thanks anyhow.” And so he walked off but you know Sid the thing that really impacted me about this man you know years later when I did receive the Lord and began to serve God is you know I’ve never seen this man since. I have no idea who he is; where he lives. I have no idea where his background is or if I’ll ever see this man again as long as I live. But I know that one day I will see him when I get to heaven. And Sid the thing that really moves me about this man is that his reward is going to be great because he was obedient to walk over to our table that night. And to him I may have just looked like a party another partying college student. But little did he know that he was planting the seed of the gospel in a young girl that would one day give her life to the Lord and then begin to win souls all over the world.
Sid: Again, I’m thinking about the person that witnessed to Billy Graham. He had no idea what he was doing.
Sid: But one of the things that I found out Debra is that sometimes that someone is not quite ready to receive the Lord but you are planting a seed and you don’t even know it by what’s going on. The fact that someone like you you just sloughed it off and nothing “I’m not interested.” But it was seed; it was alive it was living and it was planted in your heart.
Debra: Absolutely, that is what happens and you know that word that he shared that night at the table I never forgot it and I could not get this man off of my mind because I was just still surprised, so blown away by the fact that he had the nerve to walk up to my table.
Sid: Well, let see some of the fruit that he has right now. Tell me about one of the many times you go into a night club to witness.
Debra: Well Sid I’m so glad you brought that up because it is one of the most incredible things that I believe God has ever done with my life. And I attribute so much of that to number 1 the kind of church that I’m in. I’m just in a very solid Bible believing church where my brother-in-law and sister are the pastors. The same ones that led me to the Lord Richard and Tina Ford and you know I just owe my whole life to them Sid because the discipled me; they got my feet on the ground and got me grounded in the word of God. And then on top of that I began to study all of these old soul winners that are in heaven today. And I read about people and studied people like Bill Sunday, the baseball player that turned Preacher. I studied Peter Cartwright and Katherine Kuhlman and all of these soul winners that when they would begin to pray they would begin to hold revival meetings in a certain city and all of the bars, the saloons would close down, the crime rates would go down. And you know Sid every time that I would read or study about one of these old soul winners I would just cry out to God and I would say “God if You did it for them Lord You could do it for us; You can do it for me; You can do it for our generation.” And it really started Sid when I was speaking at a meeting in Corpus Christy, Texas and I was driving with the Pastor’s wife and a young girl that helps me in ministry Dorthy McThurn and we were all on our way to the service and we passed a night club it was actually a strip joint called “Legs.” And when ever we were driving past the club I just you know pointed, I was pointing the club out to Dorothy who was sitting in the back seat of the car. And I could no sooner get the words out of my mouth look at that club and I just broke down and I just began to weep uncontrollably.
Sid: By the way I have your book and in your book is a picture of that club and that is not a nice place.
Debra: No, it was not a nice place it was very evil place in the city of Corpus Christy and you know I was just a guest minister visiting the city so I knew nothing about this club. I had never seen it before; I did not know that the Christians living in that city had prayed for years and years and years for this club to close down. But that day I just began to cry and you know it wasn’t…the tears were coming out of eyes but it was how the Holy Spirit felt about that place to cause me to cry. You know the Holy Spirit Sid He’s a real person and He has a real personality. You know sometimes He wants to laugh and sometimes He wants to cry and that day the Holy Spirit’s heart so to speak was breaking over that club and over the people’s lives that were being influenced there. And so as I began to cry God gave me a vision that day and you know I believe the word of God is true; over in the Book of Joel chapter 2 where God says “He will pour out His Spirit upon all flesh. That you know God said “Old man will have dreams, young men will have visions and on His servants and on His handmaidens He’ll pour out of His Holy Spirit.” And that day God gave me a vision; and in other words I had a picture of something God wanted me to do. And I saw myself in this picture that God gave me or in this vision I saw myself laying my hands on the doorway of that nightclub. And so I looked at the Pastor’s wife who I barely knew by the name of Sylvia, Sylvia you’ve got to turn the car around we’ve got to drive into the parking lot of that club because I want to go and I want to pray over that club. And Sid it was about 9:00 AM on a Saturday morning. The club was not even open for business yet and the 3 of us ladies out out of that car. And I just remembered we had our camera with us because we were going to take pictures at the church service that morning. And so I don’t know why I just turned around to Dorothy and I said “Take some pictures of this” And so Sylvia and I went and placed our hands on the doorway on that nightclub. And I’ll never forget the door was green and we just began to pray. And Sid the only way that I can explain to you what happened is that I could literally see with my spiritual eyes all of this darkness and all of these evil spirits coming out of the club and I could see the power of God going inside of this night club. And I just began to pray and to intercede over the strippers, over the dancers that were taking their clothes off in this club. And I just began to cry out to God for those young girls that they would come to know Jesus Christ and that they would not end up in hell but that they would go to heaven. And then when we began to pray over that club when we were through praying over the doorway we jumped up onto this hill where there was this hideous sign of this half naked woman. She was so tall and she was overlooking the city of Corpus Christy, Texas and she was so tall we could only reach the bottom part of her leg and we just began to touch her leg and we began to pray over that sign; that you know that the place would close down and that God would save the people that were associated with this club. And a long story made short Sid 6 months later we received a phone call into our ministry office saying that they had torn down the sign of this you know half naked woman that over looked the City of Corpus and what a miracle of God that was. And 6 months after that we received another phone call into our office saying that the club had been closed down. And so we just know that there is power in prayer, that there is nothing too hard or too difficult for our God to do. And you know today if you know if we’re tired of the sin and the evil in our cities we need to pray because there’s nothing impossible for God to do in our city.
Sid: You know what excited me was that I was actually going for another story that I read about in your book. Because obviously you go into a lot of these clubs to witness, but when you come into a club the presence of God enters there. I mean the atmosphere changes, tell me about that in one instance.
Debra: Absolutely, well one instance is a friend of mine Debbie and I were driving down Highway 90 in our hometown Stafford, Texas located right outside of Houston and the Lord spoke to me to pull into this parking lot and to walk inside of this bar that day. And I had never done anything like this in my entire life and was about 5:00 in the afternoon. You know Debbie and I walked inside of this bar; happy hour was in full swing. And I had no idea why God was sending me in the bar who He wanted me to talk to in there. And I got ready to walk over to a blond headed woman sitting with her man friend at a table and I thought “Well Lord, maybe Your sending me to them.” But as I walked into the doorway of the bar a man sitting on a bar stool turned around, looked at me and I knew this man because he used to be in an usher in my local church. And there he was Sid sitting at the bar stool drinking a long necked beer. And he was shocked to see me walk into the bar.
Sid: I’m sure. (Laughing)
Debra: (Laughing) I was shocked to see him sitting at the bar and drinking his log necked beer. And so I walked over to him and I just said “Ernest, what are you doing here?” And I began to talk to him Sid and I said “You know when Jesus comes back Ernest, I don’t want Him to find you sitting here on a bar stool drinking a long neck beer; Ernest you need to give your heart and life back to Jesus Christ; Ernest it’s time to serve God again.” And I’ll never forget it Sid his bottom lip began to shake and tears began to roll down his face. And he said something to me Sid that I’ll never forget as long as I live. He said “Debra I cannot believe your standing here talking to me.”
Sid: My guest Aliss Crisswell; I’m talking to her by way of telephone at her home in Chester, United Kingdom. And Aliss started in 2009 an outreach evangelistic Cafe in United Kingdom. And the most outrageous miracles are happening there. For instance Alice tell me about in 2013 you had a visitation from an angel that started imparting creative ideas to you; tell me about that.
Aliss: I did, yes what happened was I had been telling people I had been prophesying to people saying “That you are going to get visitations from angels; you’re going to have downloads from heaven about business ideas and things like this; creative ideas.” But I wasn’t actually expecting it to happen to me; but one morning I woke up at 6:00 in the morning and I was aware of a huge angel standing next to my bed. And the angel had a hand on my head and all these thoughts just whirling around my head. And I was trying to make sense of them. And then when I kind of came to I realized that it was a new business idea; it was basically an idea to take a spirit shop or something called spirits where we do free healing and miracles too to take that into people’s homes like a party idea. So we started to that but it all came from an angel downloading from heaven.
Sid: Well, as you started to tell that story there was an increase in the presence of God. Do you know what’s going on; something just increased in the Spirit?
Aliss: Wow, that sounds good. I’m just going to release that to people that are listening if that’s okay. So I just…we just declare over people right now that we declare that downloads from heaven; creative ideas; business ideas. That angels will appear and will speak to you and will give you information and will give you ideas; that there will be new businesses birthed, new ministries birth. That people will start walking in all the fullness of what they’re called to walk in in Jesus Name.
Sid: Tell me some physical miracles; now have you ever had someone show up in a wheelchair and walk out of their chair?
Aliss: Yes, we did. We had a lady brought in her neighbor one day into our Cafe and she was in a motorized wheelchair. It was at the end of a busy day we were clearing up; I didn’t have much time to spend with her. But the lady told me that she had suffered from multiple scleroses 24 years. She said that she knew God but she didn’t believe that it was God’s will to heal today. So I thought “I’ve got to tell her so I just told her a couple of scriptures because I was in a rush but I said “You know scriptures such as Psalm 103 verse 3 where it says we mustn’t forget “Do not forget He forgives all of our sins and He heals all of our diseases.” And in Isaiah 53 it states that “By His wounds we are healed.” And I said to her “That it is God’s will to heal you” and I told her “That Jesus rose from the dead and that He has victory over sickness and victory over multiple scleroses.” And I just prayed a very quick prayer for her to be healed. Two days later I get a phone call from the neighbor telling me that that lady had gotten out of her wheelchair; she stood up for the first time in 24 years and she sat back down again. But you know she had no feelings from the waist down and she was not able to move; her husband had to do everything she couldn’t even turn in bed. So I said to her I was so excited I was crying on the phone I said “Bring her back into the Cafe.” So they come back into the Cafe a few days later and this lady is still in her wheelchair and I’m thinking “Oh no, what’s happened.” But she said to me that “She can stand but she’s not tried walking she’s scared.” And obviously her muscles are atrophied so how could she walk. So I said “Come on we’re going to get you walking.” So the Cafe was full of people and so we had a lot of people watching and we got her to stand up for the first time and she’d done this a few days before the first time in 24 years. So we moved her wheelchair out of the way we turned her around and we were holding on to her and she tentatively took one step; she took two steps. She pushed us away and she walked all the way to the bathroom, she turned around and walked all the way back and she sat on a normal chair and she cried her eyes out she was just so thrilled. You can just imagine what she must have been feeling; we were all crying, everybody was crying as we were watching. And she said you know she said “Jesus was in my heart before but now my heat is light, and now I know that Jesus loves me and it is God’s will to heal everybody.”
Sid: What about people that wander in your store that have heart conditions; Afeb and things like that; tell me one story.
Aliss: We’ve had a few of those healed and have had people that have seemed to have received brand new hearts when we’ve prayed for them. And one guy he had this age old fibulation thing going on and we prayed for him. And then suddenly I think that it was on Easter day he ends up being taken to the hospital because something starts happening to his heart. And they get it in there and they begin to test and they said “Your heart is back to normal.” because he was going to need some kind of procedure to fix it. So he told them “Well, Jesus has fixed it” and it’s been fine ever since and that’s been a few years ago.
Sid: How do the doctors react to that?
Aliss: I think that they were pretty shocked. (Laughing)
Sid: I would think that they’d be pretty shocked over that. Now I understand that in about 1998 the prophetic gift started moving on you you actually knew people’s names and words about them. And even moved into understanding things in the end times. Tell me me about how that gift operates.
Aliss: Yeah, that happens. Well I had words of knowledge as a teenager but then nothing for years. So I just prayed “God please give me words, please give me these things again.” And I prayed that for 2 years and then that started happening in ’98. And He’s just downloaded to me all of this information; I was getting people’s names. I’ll give you an example of word of knowledge that I had in recent years and it’s so incredible; God speaks to us in so many different ways and yet we don’t often know that it’s God speaking. You know that He can speak though our emotions. For example I had a stillborn baby many years ago; I mean it seems like 19 years ago. And obviously it was very difficult at the time but God’s just carried us through it; I went 9 months pregnant and then the baby died. But Go can used these things; and I was in the supermarket one day and this was just relatively recently and I found myself in the supermarket doing my grocery shopping and I suddenly start thinking about my baby who had died many years before and it wasn’t the anniversary of her death or anything like that. So if I ever feel down or I feel a pain I always assume it’s the Holy Spirit speaking to me; I assume there’s somebody there may have got something similar; that’s what I assume that’s not my stuff. Because He’s can so easily get on to things and it’s not our stuff it’s just a word of knowledge. So I looked around and I was thinking, I’m not feeling sad about my own baby that was stillborn, I think that there is somebody else’s that I’m feeling sad about. So I looked around and there was no body near me apart from the lady who was sitting at the checkout. And she looked too old to had just had a baby. So I thought well it can’t be her but there was nobody that else near. And so it’s really scary doing this stuff you got to be careful how you approach people and what you say to them. But what I did was I took my groceries and I went up to this checkout where the lady was. And I told her I said “You know I’m a Christian I follow Jesus” I said “Many years ago I had a baby that was still born and I just started thinking about her and I’m just wondering if the Holy Spirit, if God is trying to show me that there’s somebody near me who’s had something similar happen.” So I said to her “I’m just wondering maybe you maybe lost a grandchild recently?” Because she looked too old to had just had a baby.” She just looked at me and she said “I can’t believe it she said “My son’s baby was born dead yesterday.”
Aliss: Now, I wouldn’t had…I mean she was like “How do you know that do I look sad?” And I just said to her “God loves you so much He sent me to come and tell you about Jesus.” And I told her about Jesus and we were holding hands, she was crying; I was crying. She said “I want to give my life to Jesus.” By this point the whole line of people wanting to pay for their groceries and they’re thinking “Whose this weird-o, what are they doing?” But we didn’t care. She said “It’s my husband’s Birthday today and he’s got leukemia, can Jesus help him with leukemia?” So I said “Of course He can, so we prayed for the husband to be healed of leukemia.” And she said that “The whole situation of her family; her kids have not been talking to her and it’s been a bit of a nightmare.” And so we just prayed for the whole situation. Now about 3 weeks later I was back in the same supermarket went to the checkout and there she was sitting there and she said “I’ve got to tell you my life has completely changed since I gave my life to Jesus.” She said “Even in the difficult situation all of my family are now speaking to each other and it’s like peace has moved in; and my husband has been back for consultant and instead of getting worse and worse his results show that he’s getting better and better and better and that’s throught Jesus.”
Sid: Now God has been giving you people’s names; now is it the first name or is it the full name?
Aliss: Ahm; it’s been a full name but generally it’s just a first name or part of their name. I mean one time I had a twinge in my knee and I thought that it was a word of knowledge for somebody who had a problem with their knee. But then I kind of go back to another word of knowledge for somebody’s name and I thought it was a name. And so I said “Who’s name begins with knee?” And I described the person that didn’t know Jesus and this guy suddenly said “I think I’m going to be sick.” He said “He said “That is me my name is Knee-oh.” I had just described him to a Tee and it was just incredible the way that God just picked him out like that.
Sid: Now what has God shown you that will be happening in the future?
Aliss: Oh, all sorts of things. I’ve had visions of the earth opening up and people falling into it and it really makes me want to tell more people about Jesus.
Sid: And you know that reminds me about the fellow that started the Salvation Army that he had this vision of people just running over a cliff and dying. And that’s why they started the Salvation Army.
Aliss: Yeah, yeah and what I also saw was the righteous people; the people that were following Jesus were standing and they saw this glowing and they were safe and I saw them standing on solid ground. So I’ve seen lots of different things.
Sid: I’ll tell you what there’s lot’s of time left in the Spirit but in the natural I only have a few seconds left.
Sid: I have on the telephone my good friend Pastor Steve Gray; Pastor of World Revival Church in Kansas City, Missouri. They’ve been in 8 years of continuous revival. Steve has had a Jewish heart as long as I have known him. That means that he has a burden from God to communicate the gospel to Jewish people; to love Jewish people; to stand strong on behalf of the nation Israel. And Steve I mean I know there’s a lot of ingredients as to why your congregation as to one of the few to manage to keep the revival the presence of God in such a strong degree and to getting stronger than ever in your church. But I know one of the keys is that you proclaim God’s love for the Jew in Israel in your church…But you believe what is going on in your church should be taking place inside the Jewish people; inside of congregations even in Israel; tell me about that.
Steve: I absolutely believe it and there’s such power and glory and presence and enthusiasm and excitement in our church and I’d like to take that to the Jewish people. And of course what I’d like to see is you know how in the Bible Paul he got a little frustrated with the Jewish people and he says; “Well, I’m going to go to the Gentiles and they grabbed it.” And I’d love to see in my day; and my frustration is with the Gentiles.
Steve: You then take it to the Jews and my heart just leaps; it just leaps inside of me with that possibility. I’ll never forsake the non-Jews of course and Paul did never forsake the Jews and that’s kind of a myth. But he…
Sid: No, right after he made that statement he wandered into a Jewish synagogue so it only lasted a few minutes.
Steve: Yeah, so I would love..it leaped inside of me and I thought of the possibility that would they go for it and I began to think about how I could provoke the Jewish people to envy with the glory of God the presence of God. I begin to see what’s happened to us happened in them and I didn’t know where to turn with it I even you know Sid I haven’t told anybody this really this much but I’m not afraid to say it on the air but I was at a point and still am that if God would make the way; if I had the sponsorship financially I would devote at least 50% of my ministry just to Jewish people if I could and it wouldn’t bother me if I eventually swung and that was my later after mid-life or later life ministry was dedicated to all the Jewish people. So I just didn’t have the means; I don’t know all the Jewish people I’d like to know; especially non-believers in Yeshua. So I’ve been going around believing that…I well had this vision I was out on our parking lot and it was 2:00 in the morning and I was laying down on the asphalt praying and I looked up and as the heavens opened and I saw tanks and missiles surrounding Israel. And it looked like everything was just aimed at Israel and I was in Israel and so I guess it was aimed at me too. But then I looked up in the sky and looked like there was a sulfur look on that yellowish, greenish look in the sky. So I didn’t know if a bomb had gone off or something but anyway suddenly from the left and right came this torrent of water in the heavenlies and it rushed from left and right. And it was rushing toward the center of the picture in my mind. And it God looked like it would crash together in huge waves up in heaven but instead of it crashing together it turns downward and it rushed like a torrent straight downward like a waterfall left and right. And the strength of it’s fall hit the tanks and missiles and it was like they were just were washed away. And it was like they were washed away and gone and it was the glory of God coming and the glory of God came down from heaven. And not just spiritually but I mean literally, actually rescued the people of God; the Jewish people of God there in one of the most dangerous times in their history where there seemed like no hope; every weapon was aimed at them and it had to be a God intervention. And when I saw that I see; well that’s I mean the glory of God came down and struck me; I’m no Israel I’m just an individual but I know it can happen it rescued me. And I believe God was trying to tell me that I need to tell Jewish people to build up their faith; don’t be afraid and learn to call upon the Name of the Lord; and the glory is going to come down to them. But I didn’t know where to start and so I thought about all my Jewish believing friends and as I began to think about congregations and those friends I thought my experience has been when I tried to take revival what happened to me some of them were kind of indifferent; uninterested un-budging. So I thought about I know if I talk about it happening to Israel it probably would be the same way. So I still would be willing and love to do it so I’ve got a new strategy so I began to find Jewish people; not believers. Most of them practicing or mostly pre-practicing Jews; Orthodox believers and I just sought them out and told them…this is amazing I told them who I was “I was a pastor of this church on the phone; something miraculous has happened in my life and I just believe if they would meet me for coffee or diner I want to buy you dinner and I’ll tell you about it.
Sid: Now did they really take a total stranger up on this that’s a pastor? (Laughing)
Steve: It was tough but I found some; I mean some were suspicious; some never answered my calls but I found some. And I talked to them on the phone first and they were…I’m looking for prominent people in the community. I went to their business; went into their own business and shared with them and I found some people. And when I began to talk about the rockets and missiles aimed at Israel they began to realize they had felt that same danger. And so that is where we connected. They said “They may not have that same vision but they were saying “I know that danger I felt it.” And I said “This is what I saw; I believe God’s going to come down and help you.” And the man that I was talking to he got tears in his eyes and he said “This is like Moses, this is like Moses and the burning bush.” And he got out his prayer book and began to read Psalms to me. “And so this is what it’s like to me; and so I had several meetings with him and he introduces me to others and I have another man that I’m going to call this week.
Sid: Now out of curiosity; so you tell them exactly what happened to you?
Steve: Yes, what I don’t exactly tell them right up in the beginning is “Now you need to do is make…you know you have to make Yeshua your Messiah.” Now I want to tell them that but the reason I don’t is because other people have messed them up and made them feel like they immediately cannot be Jewish; they have to be this somewhere the is new kind of person that’s nothing. And so what I tell them I try to tell them is tell them is “Whatever has happened to me it is Jewish; you don’t…your Jewish this is for you.”
Sid: Listen; between you and me Steve I think it’s a misnomer to call Christianity; Christianity; I think it’s New Covenant Judaism.
Steve: Yeah, I’m with you all the way. I don’t know where we’re going to change it but you know Paul did not invent Christianity as a new religion; he was a Jewish person that brought the Covenant in the newness of Yeshua. And so you know but their listening very intently and learning to trust me and I’m just hoping that it goes and goes and goes. So I mean it’s just the slow; it feels like I’m on the slow road. I would have liked to have gone to some of the more prominent and the powerful and all that of believer’s and non-believers but I thought “I don’t know they didn’t listen; the weren’t interested in revival a lot of them; and it seems to be the people that are interested are kind of the nobody’s and the outcasts and undesirables and the ones that you wouldn’t normally pick.”.
Sid: If I’m understanding you right most of the Messianic Jews and most of the Gentile Christians really they wanted revival; they didn’t want to pay the price so they never started or they started and stopped; and you’re just too pragmatic. So you’re saying “I’m just going to go to the unsaved Jews because I believe that the Spirit of God’s about to be released on them.”
Steve: Absolutely, and that’s exactly. It’s slow because they don’t know me and I’ve got to go through that door but that’s what I’m doing. And I look at them and once in awhile they’ll say “Yeah, I know; I know that Christians are our friends and I know that some people and they’re pro-Israel” And I say “You’re absolutely right; there’s a lot of people that are your friends; but they are not going to be able to help you and they will scatter when trouble comes and I’m not going to do that; I will not scatter and what I have to tell you about can help and rescue you; so don’t think I just another Gentile or another pastor trying to come and get you to join my church or something; I am coming with a message of power and rescuing that’s going to come down and say you.”
Sid: Listen; the whole world is sick; the whole world has a relative with cancer; has a relative with a heart condition; has a kid on drugs; we have the answer.
Sid: We’re to provoke Jewish people to jealousy; that’s our destiny. Now it’s more you’re destiny than mine that may surprise you Steve, but the bible says in Roman’s 11:11 “The Gentile is to provoke the Jew to jealousy. That is the general calling for a Gentile believer. And as I study the old covenant the general calling for a Jewish person is to go to the nations. So the way that I look at it right now is the Jew went to the nations we were faithful; we have Christianity today. Now Christians have to go to the Jews to return the favor and when these Jews come in they’ll breathe new life to the church. It’s so simple you need help to get confused. The church needs new life and when these Jewish people; these red hot Jews get saved and they come into the church they’ll revitalise the church and the the rest of the Gentiles will come in; end of the story.
Steve: Yep; that’s how I feel. I believe it with all my heart.
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Sid: My guest Dr. Reggie Anderson has spent 25 years in Family Practice Emergency Room. He’s Chief of Staff at TriStar Ashland City Medical Center in Tennessee. He’s an award winning doctor and he has held hands with 100’s of people just before they take their last breath. Dr. Anderson you talk about something called parting of the veil. What does that mean?
Dr. Anderson: Well I feel like when God comes to find us in our last few breathes that the veil pulls back and heaven actually pours into the room with us at that moment. And it’s a very special holy moment.
Sid: Pick one of the people that you were holding hands with when this happened and tell me about them.
Dr. Anderson: Well I was actually a lady that I’d been treating for diabetes and high blood pressure for many years. She came in complaining of chest pain and so I admitted her to the hospital and diagnosed that she was having a hurt attack and I told her that we needed to send her to the cardiologist. And have a heart cath and enter in and so we sent her in and about four or five hours later the cardiologist called me and I was fully expecting him to give me a report of how successful of everything had been. But instead he told me that Eunice had actually died on the table and I was very sad at the moment when he had sad that because she had been a special lady and I wasn’t able to be at the moment of her death, and I wasn’t there I wasn’t there I was at another facility. But he went on to tell me that instead of her dying actually they did CPR and had actually quit but he had a resident that was working with him that wanted to practice for another hour his CPR techniques. And after 2 hours of CPR she actually started breathing and…
Sid: Now how many hours was she dead?
Dr. Anderson: Two hours.
Sid: Now when you’re saying as a Medical Doctor she was dead it that a fact she really was dead?
Dr. Anderson: Yeah, the Cardiologist said she had no heartbeat accept for the chest compression she had no blood circulating on her own. They were doing complete CPR had intubated her were breathing for her and if at any moment they had stopped during that process there would be no return.
Sid: So why did they continue as long as they did?
Dr. Anderson: Well like I said the resident wanted to practice some of the techniques of doing CPR. So the attending agreed that he could continue the process beyond the first you know the first 45 minutes to an hours in which they had attempted to revive her.
Sid: Okay, she’s in this vegetative state so to speak; nothing could be done medically; he’s experimenting as you said to get practice and what happens?
Dr. Anderson: Well he heart starts beating and they move her to the ICU and she’s on a ventilator overnight and he called me and said that “He wasn’t really expecting her to come back; that he felt like she would be brain dead if she did have any sort of… actually wanted to know if she had left a living-will about organ donation.” But the next morning I was expecting them to give me a report that she had actually died but instead they called me from the ICU and said that she had woke up and they had taken her off of the ventilator. One of the first things that she wanted to do is to have me to come to her bedside. So I drove into Nashville to this other hospital with my wife and I walked into the ICU and walked up to her bedside and she looked up at me and she says “I have to tell you the most wonderful experience.”
Sid: Before you tell me that as a doctor I must ask you this; Is there any possible medical explanation as to why she was alive? Anything?
Dr. Anderson: None; as a doctor I would have never in all of my medical training I would have said that she was gone; you know but for whatever reason. Well I consider it a miracle that she woke up the next morning.
Sid: Well what did she say when you met her?
Dr. Anderson: She said “Dr. Anderson I have something to tell you.”
Sid: By the way you as a doctor you observe things; what did she look like when she said that to you?
Dr. Anderson: She was glowing and radiant; she was back to her normal. I mean she was elderly and she was frail but…
Sid: She should have been in the dirt you know; she was glowing?
Dr. Anderson: Yeah and she was vibrant; I was shocked by how well she looked; it was as well as she ever looked in my knowledge of seeing her over the years.
Sid: Now what did she tell you? Did she have any remembrance of what happened when she was dead?
Dr. Anderson: She did she actually told me that she had been there with Jesus and that she had been with her family and she wanted to stay there but Jesus told her that He wanted her to come back and she had a few things that He wanted her to do. And one of them was to talk to me.
Sid: To you, what did Jesus want her to tell you?
Dr. Anderson: Well at the time we had four children and we were living in a very rural area and had considered moving to another city so that our children would have better educational opportunities. So we had been in prayer about that for several months, but this lady didn’t know that. But she said “I don’t know why Jesus wants me to tell you but you need to stay right where you are doing right what you’re doing.” And I said “Okay.” And that was my answer to that prayer.
Sid: Now I’ve heard of prophetic words but this is off the charts Reggie.
Dr. Anderson: I know I was somewhat taken aback by it but I did know that God had used her to help us stay where we were.
Sid: And did she say anything about her experience in Heaven that was similar to yours?
Dr. Anderson: It was I mean she said that “It was the greenest green and the brightest bright lights. I mean the colors were so vibrant that it almost hurt your eyes and I could totally understand that.
Sid: Now you’ve also been with people that have died and have not gone to heaven. For instance tell me about Eddie.
Dr. Anderson: He lived a very hard life; he constantly was in and out of bars and bar fights, and abused his family both physically and verbally and sexually. The only time I encountered him mostly was in the emergency room stitching him up from another fight. So I knew that his life was not a very good spiritual life. And so when one moment he came in, and this is a gentleman that I had seen off and on for years. But he came in they called 911 gunshot wound to the head and he had attempted suicide. I was thinking that he was going to die but instead he came back and was in rehab trying to get fixed from his gunshot wound to his head. I saw him a few months later in the office and instead of this mean cruel man he actually turned his life back around and was very appreciative. He said that God had met him that night in the emergency room.
Sid: What did he see, what did he tell you he saw?
Dr. Anderson: He said that he saw horrible things that he did not want to be a part of and that he turned his life back around; and that he knew that God had given him a second chance. And from that moment on he has been nothing but the most pleasant guy like night and day like a light had come on in his head.
Sid: When he told you this story you smelled something, what was that?
Dr. Anderson: Yeah, I mean initially in the emergency room I smelled almost like a sulfa and burning sensation.
Sid: Had you ever smelt that before?
Dr. Anderson: There was one other situation earlier where a gentleman of similar character was dying of cancer and he did not want us to do anything to revive him and he said that “All he wanted was for us to you know work on his cancer and to take care of his pain.” But as he was talking his last breath it was if evil had entered that room and so I had smelled that same sensation earlier.
Sid: So you can tell whether someone’s going to heaven or hell by what’s going on with your senses.
Dr. Anderson: Oh yeah.
Sid: I’ll tell you what we’re out of time right now…