SID: You know, my wife is so fascinated by what you’re teaching. She’s saying, if you lived in Charlotte, she’d go to lunch once a week with you. But what about mutations? Isn’t that a way of creating new types of species and things?
BRUCE: Well everybody hears about mutations. But mutations destroy information. And DNA, what creates our body is this code, and it’s like randomly changing the letters in a book. It destroys the information. It won’t create a better book. It destroys information. Let me give an example. For about a hundred years, we’ve taken fruit flies, we put them in a chamber and we add radiation to the, X-rays, and they mutate, and the next generation has mutations. So we think by doing this with millions of fruit flies—
SID: What kind of mutations?
BRUCE: It’s changing the information on their DNA code. But what you get are fruit flies with different colors, fruit flies with twisted wings, fruit flies with different numbers of bristles, fruit flies with legs hanging out where their eyeballs ought to be. We’ve never gotten a new creature. We’ve never gotten a new organ. We’ve never gotten a new functioning feature. We’ve never gotten anything that’s useful. That experiment shows mutations don’t create new kind of creatures.
SID: So how come we’re taught this on TV?
BRUCE: Because if you don’t want to believe God did it, you just have to make up a story. You got to come up with some way to explain where new information comes from. So they grabbed mutations and they ran with it.
SID: Okay. Grand Canyon. Magnificent. Millions of years in the making. You say different.
BRUCE: The key event in the Bible to explain the world and the way it looks is a worldwide flood. This flood was real. This entire globe was resurfaced. There would have been rapid movement of the continents. As the continents shoved together, it shoved up the mountain chains almost a year after that flood started. The water rushed off the surfaces of this newly laid down sediment and rock layers that were filled with fossils. That’s where they came from. That’s how it fits into the Bible. Well as this water was rushing away it carved out the Grand Canyon very, very rapidly.
SID: Give me an example as a scientist of this happening rapidly, that you know of.
BRUCE: Well there’s a very modern example. In Washington State, in 1980, Mt. St. Helen’s blew up. It was a volcano where the whole top of the mountain slid down into the valley. Trillions of pounds of sediment were instantly pulverized and turned into a fluid that flowed down into the valley. When it happened, it laid down new layers of rock up to 600 foot deep. Later, water backed up. Months later, it flushed through this area of this newly formed rock, layered as it flowed as a liquid, and we see these perfectly horizontal seams of sediment formed in a matter of minutes into this layer. It shows how the layers of the earth formed. Not over millions of years, but very rapidly during this world restructuring flood.
SID: Okay. You talk about a flood because the Bible talks about a flood. But certainly there would be records of this flood in different cultures all over.
BRUCE: Well and that’s exactly what we find. I mean, you can go on the Internet and you can Google flood stories, you’ll come up with websites that list hundreds of cultures that have a remembrance that there really was a flood upon this planet.
SID: How about Native Americans? Tell me what you found out.
BRUCE: Well I found just a phenomenal record from the Delaware Indians. They’re one of the earliest American Indian tribes that migrated through Alaska down across Canada, and then spread out across the United States. They have a record of where they believe everything came from that exactly parallels the biblical account of creation. The Great Spirit hovered over the waters and then he made mankind, and the evil came into mankind and distorted things, and deceived mankind. But then they talk about a world covering deluge that came and destroyed the entire globe. This isn’t the Bible. This is a totally separate culture from the Bible. Now see, all people spread out across this globe after this flood. The Egyptians, the Chinese, the Incas, the American Indians, they spread out after the flood. But they took with them a remembrance of this flood, and that’s exactly what we find.
SID: Tell me about the seashells.
BRUCE: We find seashells at the top of Mt. Everest. Mt. Everest is 28,000 feet above sea level, and yet there are fossilized seashells that high above sea level. The reason they’re there is because those mountains were pushed up at the end of Noah’s flood and they contained all of these dead creatures that have been compacted into new rock layers formed during this flood.
SID: The Bible talks about, in addition to giving evidence as to how things were created, because the evidence is from the Creator. It talks about in the last days there will be scoffers that won’t believe what God says.
BRUCE: You’re referring to 2 Peter 3, Verse 3, it says, “In the last days, scoffers will come, saying everything is continued as it has since our fathers fell asleep.” In other words, slow, gradual processes explain everything. That’s the days we live in today. We are living in what the Bible calls last days. And then it says, “These scoffers will specifically say, there was never creation out of water,” a reference to God created everything as He hovered over the waters of the deep and there has never been an earth flooded by water. The two signs in the last days will be a denial of creation and a denial of a worldwide flood. That’s exactly what the academic community is doing to all over our children as we send them through the public education system.
SID: But God says, in the last days, He’ll give us a sign. It will be like the “days of Noah”. What do you believe he meant?
BRUCE: Well Jesus said these words. He said, “It will be as in the days of Noah before I return.” There was a monument to a coming judgment called “Noah’s Ark” towering above all mankind in the days of Noah. I believe we are very close to finding Noah’s ark locked in ice at the top of Mt. Ararat, a boat big enough to put every species of mammal, bird and amphibian in that boat, locked at the top of one of the highest mountains on this planet. What better sign could there be that these rock layers are not very, very old. They were laid down by this flood only about 4500 years ago.
SID: And according to information that I have and that you’ve seen, we’re about ready to see that. There’s so many sightings.
BRUCE: There have been sightings from the early 1900s on up, and we now have satellites that can see through ice, that have seen an object in that ice that looks very much like Noah’s ark.
SID: But how could the ark, I often wonder, how could the ark hold so many animals?
BRUCE: Well the better question is, why is there a boat that big locked on top of this mountain, you know 14,000 feet above sea level? It’s big enough to hold every species of mammal, every species of bird, every species of amphibian that’s ever been alive on this planet in only about half the space of the ark.
SID: If it was ready to rain and God told you a flood was coming, would you get in an ark? Would you build an ark? I would. You would. The ark has already come. The ark has a name. His name is Jesus.
SID: You’re either in Jesus or out of him. Choose this day who you will serve. But as for me and my house, we’re going serve the Living God. Make Jesus your Messiah and Lord. You repent and the life of God will touch your spirit and it will become alive to God. And God says a miracle will happen. He will remember your sins no more and you will be able to communicate with the Living God. You will hear His voice. This is what you need now.
Sid: I’m going to tell you something, if you had been in the environment I was in and you were not red hot for the Messiah I think you’d be dead. I did not expect it, but we’re doing this broadcast a month after the fact, but literally I just off a plane as I’m recording this right now from Israel. I was there for Sukkot, the Feast of Tabernacles. I was invited by representatives from just about all the Messianic Jewish Congregations in Israel to speak at an event of all things it was a New Age festival. Thousands of Jewish people gathered right by the Sea of Galilee. I’ve never seen so many witches, and kabbalist, and Satanist, and just a hedonist, and just so many perverse things in my life. I brought a team with me of men and women that move in extraordinary power of God, and I have one of the team members, Rabbi Michael Zeitler; who is rabbi of a Messianic Jewish congregation in Kingston, New York, Baruch HaShem; which is Hebrew for Bless His Name. Michael, give me some of your impressions of what you saw in Israel with me.
Michael: The setting was absolutely gorgeous on the Kinneret on the Galilee. Of course the weather was beautiful except that one day that we had rain. As I looked around the hedonism that was expressed by these young adults and older teenagers was phenomenal. As we walked around together and just explored what was being offered the attire the people were wearing, the various different offerings that were being given to these young people such as kabbalism, witchcraft, and Hinduism, and every other kind of “ism,” every other kind of New Age thing you could think of was offered there. It just seemed to be a total air in the environment of freedom for the occult, freedom for New Age, freedom for lust; I mean the women the way they were dressed was practically with nothing. It just seemed to be all out chaos, and yet it also from what my observation was, was that there was a controlling force behind this whole thing which I believe were the head kabbalist that were trying to steer or recruit these young people into something that they wanted to involve them in.
Sid: I was asked to go and speak 2 times, which I did. In fact, when I spoke you walked up to one of the young people. These confused kids that are into all the things the Torah condemns. Tell me about that.
Michael: Well it was a woman that was probably in her maybe early 20’s. I had asked her if she had prayed the prayer with you, and she said that she was afraid. So I had the pleasure of being able to explain to her, and she spoke English plus there was a translator next to me, and explained the gospel and what it meant, what it meant to repent of sin, what was going on in her life. Then I asked her “Would you like to have the God of Israel, would you like to have Mashiach in your life? Yeshu is His name” and she said “Yes I want that.” So she prayed with me, she accepted the Lord; I saw a big smile on her face after she was completed as a completed Jewish believer in Mashiach. Then I said “Now God’s going to bring a family of believers around you and He’s going to embrace you and nurture you and help you to grow.” It turned the translator was a believer and I didn’t know. So I said “Now see here’s one for you right now, and can we get her a Bible” and they went and got her a Bible. They were following up with her and encouraging her and helping her. So there the Lord just took care of it right at the tent.
Sid: You know Michael I was astounded at all the team members that were moving in such supernatural power. You know if God didn’t show up in power the devil certainly wasn’t holding back on his power. Tell me a couple of people that you personally, a couple of Jewish people you personally prayed with and what happened.
Michael: Well we were in a group praying and there was an unsaved Jewish family. At one point and time the Lord led to pray for a specific area on this gentleman’s lower part of his abdomen over by his chest in the back. Afterwards we asked “What was the reason for that?” his daughter pointed out that that was an area of his ribs that he had injured. This was a sore area for him and God knew and God was healing it. Then a short time after that…
Sid: The thing that was so unusual is you didn’t know to pray in that area except… How did you know to pray for this unsaved Jewish man in that area of his body?
Michael: I just sensed that the Lord was directing me almost like it was a hotspot, you know, and put your hand right there in that spot and just pray.
Sid: Well you know not only was he healed Mishpochah, when I was speaking and I told you all these things were going on… Michael have you ever spoken in an environment like I was speaking in?
Sid: You hope you never do I think. Anyway it was an experience. As I’m speaking a one beautiful young Israeli I just kind of catch her eye, and I didn’t realize God was doing something. So I started talking to her and then all of a sudden a word of knowledge came, I spoke the word of knowledge and hers was the first hand that was raised and she was healed. I said… and I didn’t even realize it at the time “Did you notice me looking at you just before you were healed? God picked you out, God healed you.” I loved it! Tell me someone that was healed.
Michael: That same family there was an older aunt. She was walking away and as she was walking away I thought she was leaving and the Lord had spoken to my heart about her shoulder in a word of knowledge. So she was walking away and I figured “Well it’s too late now” and the Lord said “Michael be obedient.” So I went up to her and I said “Excuse me, can I pray for your shoulder? Have you had problems with your shoulder?” She said “Yes, yes.” So to make a long story short I asked the Lord if He would a brand new rotator cuff in her shoulder, and he did. She was swinging her arm like a windmill, and praising God, even though she was unsaved, to the Lord because of the fact that her shoulder was healed. Thanking God that her shoulder was healed and she had all arthritis, bursitis, whatever you want to call it, God gave her a brand new shoulder. There was also another thing Sid that was extremely dark, extremely demonic that took place on Wednesday night which we weren’t even aware it was going to be happening. They had these huge boulders around in a circle, and a smaller group of rocks that were in an area to make a fire for. At one point in time as we were out there ministering on this like main area, main pathway that went into the fair, and what was interesting was when we would say to someone, or you would say to someone because the Lord had showed you to do this first. “Do you speak English?” Then asking them if you could ask them a question, and specifically have they ever seen miracles, do they believe in miracles, and opening up the door to talk to them about the miracle service that would be coming. The interesting thing was, that when this celebration, or ceremony took place, and it was a truly dark pagan ceremony, with hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of these young people all around this rock area in a circle and drums just continuously beating and chanting and all kinds of things going on all at the same time. While all that was going on, at the same time we were out a little bit further away and people were coming to know the Lord. Young adults were being drawn supernaturally by God to come away from the fire circle as I call it, and to come away from this pagan celebration of darkness to come into the light to hear about Yeshua and to hear about miracles. They were coming to accept Him even during all that was going on at the same time, with the drumming and all the paganistic things that were happening.
Sid: There was one man who comes to mind who walked up to me. He wanted to sell me on a New Age meditation course so he hands me his brochure, and I’m thinking to myself “There’s no way this guy’s going to accept the Lord.” I started talking and God opened his heart and he came to the Lord. You know it’s not by man’s might or man’s power, but it’s only by the Spirit of God.
Michael: Yes, hallelujah.
Sid: I tell you this is the set time, yea the set time in which God is removing the spiritual scales from the eyes of Jewish people. Simultaneously because it says in Romans 11:11 “Salvation has come to the Gentile to provoke the Jew to jealousy” simultaneously He’s removing the spiritual scales from the eyes of Gentile Christians. This is God’s time to reach the Jew and God has given me a strategy and understanding of the next… the greatest and perhaps the last move of God’s move on planet earth and so many Christians do not have a clue. You must understand the Jew, you must understand Israel, you must understand the heart of God at this moment. There is a mandate in the heavenlies that Christian and Jews must have the middle wall of separation come down between the two of us and unite to become the One New Man, the true body of Messiah.
Sid: My guest Bob Larson has devoted his life to understanding world religions and alternative spirituality. I asked him a question before we went on the air and I was actually shocked Bob Larson over your answer. And the question was “Did you hire researchers to research all of these 100′s of religions that you have in this brand new book of yours and what did you say to me?”
Bob: No I’ve done all the research on it, I probably have the most voluminous library of any Christian in the country; personal library on cult, occult and all sorts of spiritual phenomena. I just made it a point to collect of this through the years I’m sitting here right now and I could just walk over and pick up the biggest Free Mason Bible you ever found. (Laughing)
Sid: Well, let’s talk about that. What is wrong; I mean most people have a relative who’s a Mason. I had an uncle who was a Mason and he tried so hard to get me in and I’m so glad I didn’t go into it. What was I spared?
Bob: Well, first of all it is a religion though they claim not to be a religion but it’s a godless religion and in fact it’s a Luciferian religion. In American Free Masonry particularly Scot…
Sid: But wait a second if you talk to the average Mason they’ll say you’re off your rocker because they never heard anything about Lucifer the devil in their religion. Isn’t it true that you have to get high up before you realize the source?
Bob: Yes, you got to get 32nd degree and higher before you’re going to know what’s going on. But Albert Pike who is the godfather of American Free Masonry was an avowed Luciferian and Satan worshiper. And he makes no bones about this and I’ve read his books; there’s a real danger though are the vows and the oaths spoke in secret even at the earliest enter apprenticeship degree. So anybody who has gotten into the lodge has had to speak a death oath over their lives and swear fidelity to Free Mason Brothers above family members. And will not reveal to you what goes on in the lodge on penalty of death.
Sid: Now is there any connection between Mormonism and Masons?
Bob: Oh absolutely. Joseph Smith, Jr. borrowed his whole religious concept from Free Masonry. All the secret rituals in the Mormon temple were originally Free Mason rituals that’s why the Masons and the Mormons hate each other so much is because the Mason’s say “You stole our religion.”
Sid: But wait a second if Masons, which you explained so beautifully in your book, is Luciferian, Lucifer the devil are you saying that Mormonism teaches that too?
Bob: It has for a number of years only because others like me have taken a stand against this have they changed some of the secret ceremonies in the Mormon temple and overtly taken Lucifer out of it. But he used to be there in all of the endowment ceremonies.
Sid: I’ll tell you Mishpochah you really need his book; where he talks about all of these different religions. Here’s a section on Zen Buddhism, a section of Christian Science; I’m just opening it at random. Christian Science, a section on Karate? Wait a second their Christians that are involved in Karate Bob.
Bob: Not all martial arts are evil,but the danger is that if you have the wrong teacher who has the wrong tradition they can lead you very subtly beyond the athletic and physical prowess aspects into other things and you need to know what the guidelines are before you get into it.
Sid: What about, and I was really shocked to see this in your book and maybe I should not have been, one of the categories you have is Native American Religion.
Bob: Well, Native American Religions involved in various forms and traditions self-mutilation and torture ceremonies to obtain spirituality. The use of drugs and hallucinogens to alter the consciousness, and on vision quest and other aspects of seeking spirituality looked for spirit guides. So through totems, through animals, and through various forms or other worldly beings, most Indians end up with spirit guides. We have our new center in Arizona and we’ve had a number of people come over here from the Navaho reservations nearby and get deliverance from these animal spirits.
Sid: Let’s talk a little bit about some of these metaphysical things that are so popular today they call them self-help courses, transcendental meditation doctors are recommending it to lower your blood pressure and your cholesterol. What’s wrong with TM?
Bob: Well, first of all when you get into transcendental meditation you’re given a mantra the mantra often is the name of a Hindu god although because of public criticism they’ve gotten away from that somewhat. You pay homage to the maharishi, to guru Dev his spiritual master and the other linage of eastern god man so you enter into a form of adultery. And then by detaching yourself through the recitation of these mantras you really open yourself up for demonic invasion. I’ve done exorcisms and deliverances on scores and scores of people that have come out of TM. I did one one yesterday, not yesterday, but a couple of weeks ago on a man who was one of the highest best known instructors in the entire TM movement. Sid I wish you could have seen what happened when I placed a Bible on his forehead and said “In the Name of Christ I come against the psychic third eye of the seventh chakra in transcendental meditation.” That guy flew out of his chair and he said “What in the world happened I just felt like an electric shock going through my body?”
Bob: He was delivered from that but he didn’t understand what he had gotten into, it’s very dangerous.
Sid: You know what I find fascinating and I was actually looking at one of the categories in your book and it’s called because I knew what it was “Metropolitan Community Church” that’s the homosexual church.
Sid: But the history of it was fascinating, this guy started out as a real Christian just like Jim Jones started out as a real Christian.
Bob: Yeah, oh yeah he was a Pentecostal Preacher. In fact that’s one of the ways the church grew so rapidly in beginning is that it was so highly charismatic. Of course the gay community loved the emotion charged nature of the services. Now they branched off also into more liturgical gay congregations but the real seed of that… listen I have been in Metropolitan Community Church services that if you didn’t look around and see the drag queens you would think that you’re in the most spiritually charged charismatic church in town.
Sid: And you know what I have had, I hate to use the word, but I have debates with a Jewish homosexual friend of mine and they are so blind. I show them the scripture and they don’t even respond. But at least in your book you put the apologetics of why they believe homosexuality is acceptable but they still don’t make any sense.
Bob: Well it doesn’t but you still have to at least have to understand where they’re coming from. You know you can’t march down the street that says “Gays are going to Hell” that doesn’t get you anywhere. (Laughing)
Sid: Hmm, of all of the cults and occult groups that you’ve listed hundreds which one intrigues you the most? I don’t know that that’s a fair question but…
Bob: I don’t know that if intrigue would be the right word but the ones that I think that I find the most deceptive and the most dangerous are the ones who cozy up to Christianity. We’ve always talked about some of them. The Free Masons, the Mormons, and of course the miracles I find it interesting how these groups the Church Universal in Triumphant.
Sid: How about Louis Farrakhan they mix the Bible with what they believe but what they believe is so diametrically opposed to the teachings of Jesus.
Bob: All of these groups borrow just enough from Christianity to make people who have some Christian background comfortable and then they overlay it with their own particular doctrine of demons but they don’t tell you that up front.I’m sure you know that groups like the Mormon Church and others specifically target lukewarm or former Christians.
Sid: Listen there is, and this is a new one for you, probably there are a group of traditional rabbis that go after Jewish people that have become believers in Jesus and their fulltime profession is talk them out of their faith because the say “These are the best potential Jews, they’re just misguided.”
Bob: (Laughing) Well that’s the same philosophy the Mormon’s have; absolutely, the same way with the Jehovah Witnesses they don’t want absolute pagans they want people who know enough about Christianity to be dangerous but not enough to defend their faith. And that’s why I wrote the book so that we can be ready as Peter said “To give an answer to everyone that asks the reason of the hope that is within us.”
Sid: We want everyone everywhere to be on God’s side of the fence. You say “Well if someone is a real Christian they’ll be on God’s side of the fence.” Not necessarily if you study history. The only way to be on God’s side of the fence is not doing what you feel, not doing what you sense, if it’s in contradiction to the pure written word of God. If I know anything I know Genesis 12:3 is still true today, and God says, and He’s not a man that He should lie. “I will bless those who bless the Jewish people, I will curse those who curse them.” I have someone on the telephone that knows from firsthand experience, his name is Lance Lambert. He has lived in Israel since 1973, but he’s from Great Britain. He recognizes Genesis 12:3 is still in effect today, but Lance where I would like to go today is there’s a group called Hezbollah. Tell who they, where they are, and what they’re up to.
Lance: They are a Shiite, which is one of the denominations of Islam, one of the major denominations of Islam. A Shiite militia in Lebanon they have been funded and armed by Iran though Syria. Syria has used them as a surrogate force both in Lebanon and against Israel.
Sid: What do you believe they’re going to be up to? What is Syria pushing them to do from Lebanon?
Lance: Well I think Syria has got some serious problems at present because of the assassination of Rafic Hariri the Prime Minister of Lebanon. Now that the United Nations investigative team has discovered that basically it goes right to the very top in Syria, right up to the President Assad’s brother and brother in law. I think that means they’re in a very difficult position. Nevertheless they have been using his Hezbollah to destabilize Lebanon in their favor, and also to try and destabilize Israel. Hezbollah has been arming and training Hamas and Al Jihad the two militias in Israel that are responsible for so many of the suicide bombings and much else. So you have a very serious problem and for many years I have felt, and there are others here in Israel who feel the same, that the trouble is going to come not from the east or from the south, but from the north from Lebanon. One of the reasons was that we… years ago in the 80’s, in the middle of the 80’s, someone got in touch with me from Australia and they had a farmer’s wife with them who had had a vision in the night. They said we know this lady she is a real prayer warrior and she’s very level headed. She took a bus it took her 3 hours she’s come into Sidney and now she’s sitting with us. We said “We’ll phone you and ask you,” that’s me they’re going to phone. What happened was she was going to bed and suddenly she saw everything on fire, mountains all on fire. Three times it happened and it quite terrified her, then she finally asked the Lord “What does this mean?” The Lord gave her a word that “The mountains of the north of Israel would be on fire, but not to fear because the Lord would save Israel.” Then went on to say “Kuwait will be on fire and the smoke will go up to heaven and cover the earth.” A whole number of other things about the nations all joining in and helping by either sending troops or money. Well it was extraordinary because in 1990 that’s exactly what happened when Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait and set on fire the oil wells which literally circled the earth with a thing which caused a difference in the winter we had. I mean it’s incredible but it’s true. Now the interesting thing is that the beginning of the prophecy and the end of the prophecy she got were not fulfilled.
Sid: Tell me what was not fulfilled.
Lance: What was not fulfilled was the mountains on the north of Israel would be on fire and there would be great carnage.
Sid: The mountains in the north of Israel is what territory?
Lance: Well that could be Lebanon, it could be Syria, and it could be northern Israel.
Sid: What do you think it will be?
Lance: Well I, my feeling, and we’ve felt it for some time, that one of these they’re going to open up and rain down, they have the largest number of rockets…
Sid: You’re talking about Hezbollah?
Lance: Hezbollah yes.
Lance: The largest number and they have been trained by the Iranian revolutionary guard. Now the revolutionary guard of Iran are not to be laughed at they are clever, and very very intelligent. So it’s not going to be a hit and miss thing like we’ve known before with some of our Arab neighbors. So my feeling is one of these days they will open up; now whether Syria will do it now with all this interest focused on her over the assassination of Hariri I don’t know. They could do it to try and take away tension.
Sid: Lance let me ask you a question, have you ever studied from the Bible how much land God has promised, I mean we’re looking at dividing the land which is the opposite of what God wants. How much more than Israel currently has does God say we will have?
Lance: Well we have a problem only in the sense that two or three times the promise land lies between the sea, which is the Mediterranean and the Euphrates, and the River Nile. Now why we say River Nile is because in at least one of those instances the word Nahar is used for river, which is a flowing river, it can only mean the Nile. Whereas other times it is Nakhar which is the wadi of Egypt, which is actually in El-Arish in northern Sinai. What we know is at least the borders of the promised land go up at the very least to the river Zahrani in Lebanon. The rabbis have always felt that one of the wadi’s that goes from the Tigris down… is the border between Saudi Arabia and Jordan is the border of the promised land, and wadi El-Arish is the other border.
Sid: So before the Messiah comes do you think there’s any choice, not that there’ll be a two-state solution, but that Israel will have a lot more land?
Lance: It’s possible, entirely possible. Certainly when the Lord does come it will happen.
Sid: Okay Lance Lambert I do respect you prophetic sense. I want you to give us a last word as to what you see is going to be going on now in the near future in the Middle East.
Lance: I think we are in for an incredibly bumpy ride for the next year at least. Anything could happen, I’ve said it again and again, if we wake up one day it will never surprise me if we wake up one day to discover Iran has exploded a nuclear device. If that happens the whole situation in the Middle East will change literally overnight
Sid: Wait a second, what do you mean if? Of course this is going to happen they’re not going to stop.
Lance: No, no absolutely, and they’re playing amazing games with France, Germany and Britain over this, and of course the United States. It’s very interesting they seem… they must be near to a breakthrough because they’re literally fighting for months as it were of time.
Sid: It looks to me like that whole Middle East could be a powder cake very shortly, but again the repercussion on America… I’m concerned about the Middle East, I’m concerned about Israel, but the repercussion on America… you know if America becomes third world how in the world are we going to get the gospel out like we have?
Lance: Absolutely right that’s what I’ve said all along. The United States is the last Bastian of Biblical principal and truth.
Sid: I’m going to tell you something, by the time you finish listening to the interview I’m doing with Paul McGuire, you probably seen Paul he’s been a guest many times on the Fox news network. He’s been on the History Channel, you’ve probably seen him on programs like O’Reilly as a guest commentator. And Paul on yesterday’s broadcast you started to say something that God has shown you that I believe is also true. I’m going to have you share that again. Before you do that I want to establish the credibility that God has used you for prophetic warnings in the past of things that have come true. Tell me a few.
Paul: Sid what happens is the Holy Spirit will push me into an area of research or to research about events or a group or a name. And many times you know this won’t mean anything to me intellectually. I research credible sources I’m very skeptical and I research mainstream credible sources. About a year before 911 I publicly stated and I made comments to the affect that there was a group called Al Qaeda that there was a terror attack on the Twin Trade Towers that I discussed Saddam Hussein and invasion of Iraq. I talked about weapons of mass destruction and I talked about all of the things that the intelligence community after 911 said that they weren’t up to speed on. And I couldn’t figure out how they weren’t up to speed on it when the Lord revealed to me that all of these things were going to happen.
Sid: Just out of curiosity, how did the Lord reveal that to you?
Paul: The primary way the Lord reveals things to me is He does it twofold; number one He directs me to do thorough research and then He gives me supernatural revelation either through dreams, through pictures, or an inner sense of knowing.
Sid: For instance in 1994 where you were living there was something called “The North Ridge Earthquake” and your whole neighborhood was devastated and nothing happened to your home or your property, why?
Paul: Well, that year was a key year for me because I had written some books on Bible prophecy, but I must admit to you Sid I had kind of a cynical attitude towards prophecy even though I’d write about it. So when there was this ear splitting noise at 4:00 AM in the morning it sounded like a locomotive train smashed through the living room of our house. And my wife grabs our three babies at one time like the bionic woman, we go out with all the lights out in the neighborhood. All my neighbors come to my driveway because we’re at the end of the cul-de-sac and in the dark all my neighbors, many of them Jewish and nonbelievers they knew that I was an author and for some strange reason they kept asking me the question “Are these the signs of the times that Jesus talked about and is this the end of the world.” And I must have been asked that question a hundred times in the month or two that followed the North Ridge Earthquake. And God used that earthquake to radically change my viewpoint on Bible prophesy. From that moment forward it was like a veil was taken from my eyes and it was like I woke up from a dream and I realized that we really were living in the last days. So I’ve devoted my life to warning people, and preparing people, and educating people about the fact that we are in the last days.
Sid: Now did it kind of blow you out of the water when God started revealing to you things and then they would start happening like “The Iranian Sleeper Cells in the US, the anthrax, the biological chemical nuclear weapons of mass destruction, Saddam Hussein, Iraq” I mean these were all going on Al Qaeda’s first attack, the second attack on the world. I mean when you knew these things before they happen what did you think?
Paul: I thought that they were true because the inner sense of the Lord speaking to me was so powerful and so overwhelming that there was no real doubt. And I’ll give you another example, that after the 911 event happened there was a long period of time it was like having night vision or some kind of radar where I could literally sense the presence of terrorist cells located not specifically but in general regions of the United States. It was as if I could feel their presence; and the Lord said “Now you need to pray about it.” See that’s a revelation supernaturally and that’s the way the Lord has been dealing with me. There’s an even coming soon and when I say soon I can’t give you an exact period of time, but I believe with all my heart the Lord has quickened me by the power of His Holy Spirit like a watchman; I’m commanded when I see the danger I’ve had to blow the shofar and warn the people of God. There is a cataclysmic event a crisis event that is soon about that’s going to happen to America soon that will shake this nation to it’s very core and people are going to be given a choice and that choice will be to either follow God and the principals of God and look to God as their source and their protector and deliverer, or to make the false choice which is to look to man to be god and government to be god. Now if the people in the United States including the church makes the false choice to look to government or man to be god they will be worshiping the spirit of anti-Christ and there are going to pay a severe penalty.
Sid: Now I know God hasn’t shown you what the cataclysmic thing would be but use your sanctified imagination and give me an example of what it might be.
Paul: It may be multiple nuclear bombs being detonated in major cities simultaneously.
Sid: We’ve heard about those suitcase bombs that we can’t find; so it would be something like that?
Paul: It could be an economic collapse, but it would happen suddenly like you wake up in the morning and all the banks are closed. It could be an EMP attack which knocks out our power grid and communications, or it could be a nuclear missile or several nuclear missiles fired perhaps accidentally from another nation like Russia or North Korea or whatever and everybody thinks it’s not going to get through and it does get through and suddenly this nuclear missile pierces the atmosphere and it wipes out a major US city with a mushroom cloud.
Sid: Just briefly I believe that what you’re saying is from God what can people do to prepare?
Paul: Well, the Lord has given me the sense of urgency not to scare people so my goal is not to frighten people, my goal is to… the Lord told me talk about this in the DVD your offering and the book your are offering as a prophetic warning so that people would turn back to God and people would begin to pray and people especially Christians. The Bible says as you know “Judgment begins in the House of the Lord.” And people are always pointing to people who are not believers and the sins of nonbelievers as the reason for God’s judgment. But the Lord has showed me the primary reason for His judgment will not be because of the sins of nonbelievers it will be because of the sin of the church. Therefore, if we repent, if we seek the face of God the Lord has told me specifically and He gave me a very powerful vision; the most powerful vision in my entire life. “If we will repent the Lord will grant us a temporary reprieve and He will drive back the powers of darkness. How long that will occur I don’t know but God told me He will pour out grace instead of judgment if we will seek His face.
Sid: You know I’ve been studying Jeremiah and there was a point of no return in Jeremiah meaning the decision was made and your saying that we haven’t reached that point in America in your opinion, or in God’s opinion more important?
Paul: I believe we’re dancing right on the edge we’re right on the threshold of crossing over that terrible line when there will be no going back.
Sid: So the warning, your giving people is not necessarily unless God tells him to store up guns and food and gold and silver. But store up on the Holy Spirit, is that what you’re saying?
Paul: Absolutely, and I believe the Lord has given us one last brief window of opportunity to seek His face and repent. If that repentance is genuine and if we seek His face in Spirit and truth we will see the supernatural power of God released on America with such force it will be a third grade awakening.
Sid: It kind of sounds like young guy that what was that the Lambs Club and the fire of God came on Him. Is that what you’re expecting the fire of God to come on those that are seeking God at this point?
Paul: Yes, July 4th of this past year my wife and I were having a Bible study and we were reminiscing, we’d been married over 35 years and we were dating in Manhattan about 35 years ago and the great July 4th celebration where ships from around the world gathered. We were talking about that on July 4th, then I felt lead to pray with her for America so very calmly I began to intercede for America and I repented of my own sins and then I interceded and repented of the sins of the church. Immediately after the repentance I was set on fire by the power of God in a way that I have never experienced before. And I calmly told my wife while I was praying I looked at my fingers my 5 fingers and they were burning, they were burning hot. In fact, they were burning so hot I couldn’t understand why I was not in pain. But it was a supernatural burning. And then I could feel every cell in my body burning with fire in my entire being burning with fire. And I was relating this to my wife and I said to my wife; I’m healed I felt the power of God supernaturally pour through me and I felt distinctly that I was miraculously healed. I cannot tell you precisely what disease I was healed of ….
Sid: But I can tell you this we’re out of time right now, but Paul has been raised up by God to so expose the master plan and the key players of those involved with the mark of the beast and the microchip. He has spent the last 30 years, he’s probably the most expert in the natural on the microchip and where it is right now.
Sid: Have I got good news for you I have Pastor Henry Wright on the telephone and this is we’re coming to the home stretch the second week talking about his updated expanded book called “A More Excellent Way.” It’s a manual it really is on the spiritual roots of disease and literally when you can find the root of your disease and you can get rid of it through prayer and through repentance. Then healing comes; it’s that simple. And the longer that Henry has been in this the more truth and the more understanding and the more wisdom that he has picked up. But before we went on the air and I have to just make this statement that if a doctor tells you to take a particular medicine because you have a life threatening type of situation you better take that medicine. But there’s a flipside of the coin and Henry you were talking to me about this and I have on the phone Pastor Henry Wright Pastor of Pleasant Valley Church in Thomaston, Georgia. Henry you were saying there is the flipside and the overuse of drugs; explain.
Henry: Well the flipside is very important and again as important that your audience understands that as you mentioned do not stop taking your drugs because you hear this conversation. It’s time to now go back and find out why are we taking the drug; I think probably that would be the big part of this conversation. Let me give you some statistics and I’ll give you something that Dr. Julian Whitaker has said in his writing and also a program by Oprah Winfrey earlier this year that has the same statistics that I do in Be In Health. Let’s just talk about FDA approved drugs; the statistics that we have are very accurate is that the number 3 killer of people in America of all the top 10 on the list of killers of people in America, the number 3 is death from properly prescribed and administered FDA approved drugs. That does not include the 2 million that are permanently disabled and damaged by FDA approved drugs. What makes this statistic incredible is that death from illegal drugs including marijuana, heroin, cocaine and all the rest of them put together does not even make the top 10 of the statistical observation. That as Dr. Julian Whitaker has said in his writings, I guess the war on drugs needs to be immediately redefined because we are a people that is extremely filled with fear of disease, dear of dying and fear of death. Now in this understanding of this it’s important to understand that with drugs comes the side effects of a drug. And the side of effects of a drug is another disease; now let’s go to the Oprah Winfrey said and this is astounding to me I mean I got the statistics but I’d never had looked at this way but she graphically brought it into focus. As she began to challenge America to wake up “Why are we becoming a drug nation, a drugged nation?” And by the way that includes believers and Christians we’re no different or in better shape than the world when it comes to drugs and disease and all these problems. Oprah said this Sid that “If you had a Jumbo 747 jet liner loaded with an average of 350 people aboard that crashed in America and everybody aboard lost their life in that day it happened the number of people dying actually dying from the side effects of properly prescribed and administered FDA approved drugs is equivalent to one of these Jumbo 747′s crashing every single day of the year in America;” every single day. If that happened in aviation there would be a national outcry but there’s not one person well, maybe a few of us that are even raising an eyebrow to what’s happening in America.
Sid: Now why is this?
Henry: Because well first of all if God isn’t answering our prayer the doctor don’t have any solution for incurable disease and they don’t all that we have going for us is disease management. What they call health care is really a subtle way of bewitching you in your thinking because it’s really not health care at all it is disease management. And everything that’s going in America right now it’s not the cure of disease my friend, it is disease management. And in the journal of American Medicine it says “The best that American’s have coming in the next 100 years in health and science are miracle drugs, more drugs, miracle drugs and genetic engineering. And so I think I guess what I’d like to say today is that behind many of the diseases that we deal with in “Be in Health” that require the use of a drug. High blood pressure for example, or asthma for example, or any of these other diseases that utilize beta-blockers and beta enhancers to kick the imbalance of the sympathetic nervous system back into balance is not solving the problem. If for example in the case of high blood pressure which we talked about last week if hypertension or high blood pressure is a result of a person worrying about the future, that is fear anxiety distress issue and if that’s able to cause a cell membrane a semi-rigid cardiovascular system you can give the person a drug which is a beta-blocker and that will keep them going and that will take care of the high blood pressure. But it hasn’t delivered them or fixed them from the worry or the fear. Another is bound by two problems they’ve got the same worry now they got the drug with all of the side effects. I think that’s why Paul in Galatians Chapter 5 Sid, if you look up in Galatians Chapter 5 in the King James version I think the NIV calls it the same thing sorcery or witchcraft. And look up in the Strong’s concordance the word witchcraft it literally says “The pharmacist, pharmaceutical, pharmaceutical drugs, druggist. And in here Paul emphatically it’s not illegal drugs that’s found over in the same verse under the term drunkenness. So when you go over Galatians Chapter 5 you find drunkenness that would be alcohol, marijuana, cocaine, heroin and all the rest of that illegal drugs. But the word witchcraft for sorcery is pharmaceutical drugs. Now Paul calls it a work of the flesh right in with adultery and all the rest of it. Why? Because even in Paul’s time, even without the lack of scientific investigation that we have today Paul knew that taking a drug would not get you sanctified it would not deal with the root issue. And what Paul was saying you need find out what’s wrong in your life, get your spirituality straightened out let God become part of your life, get your mind renewed, get that sin out your life and then your body will come back into balance and you won’t need these drugs to manage you. And that is as a pastor I am concerned but because it’s time to wakeup America. It’s time to wakeup church; unless we’re just going to go from generation to generation of being bewitched. It’s time to go back to God and get our lives straightened out so that we will not need these drugs that we happen to take today and that’s a more excellent way.
Sid: And that’s where you got your title from, there is a more excellent way than…
Sid: Then managing your diseases. But don’t people do that also with things like anger, and addictions they manage it rather than having freedom?
Henry: Well, it’s just like in the Psychiatric Journals there’s a disease Americans have called social phobia and 10 million Americans have social phobia and that is fear of man. You know…
Sid: People that are afraid of standing up in front of a group for example.
Henry: There are people that are afraid of people and you know what the medical community gives the person who has social phobia the drug Paxil which is an anti-anxiety drug. Now does the drug deliver you from the fear of man? See what the Bible says “Fear not what man can do unto you but put your trust in the Lord.” Why would we be afraid of other humans? Boy that is really a good question, and why are we more afraid of people then we are God?
Henry: You see? We are because we don’t see God with our physical eyes right now so He seems to be a long ways away. But that person down the street that doesn’t like you you can see them every day and you’re afraid of them. Well, see that’s sin that opens up the door for all kinds of problems in our life that produces disease. So I guess what I’m saying in this subject here is that it’s time to rethink what we’re doing in Be in Health Global as we begin to help people understand their spirituality and their thoughts. We want to bring people back to the peace of God. You don’t need an anxiety drug you just might need deliverance from fear. And you know what you don’t need a bunch of pills church, you just need one. The gos-pill, that’s what we need.
Sid: Henry how many diseases have you found the spiritual roots for?
Henry: We are researching over 700 but it becomes easier than you could imagine because in researching the specific roots behind disease we actually finding disease classes. For example gastrointestinal diseases follow a certain pathway of spirituality, cardiovascular diseases fall another networking of spirituality, autoimmune diseases follow another. So we’re following what causes the disease. Actually the word disease is a spin off from the word “dis ease” and the “dis ease” of our life begins in our spirituality. If our spirituality is incorrect then our long term memory or our psyche or our psychology will be wrong. That’s why the word of God comes to separate the soul from the spirit that we can get God’s mind, what God has said about our life. If it says in 2 Timothy 1:7 that “God has not given us a spirit of fear but power, love and of sound mind” then why in the world would we want to be following something that’s not from God. If God is not from God, then where in the world is it from? And why should it be part of our lives.
Sid: You know according to information I’ve read that you’ve made available there is an epidemic of insanity in America.
Henry: Oh gosh, I was shocked when I read the statistics the other day; actually the first part of this year I was reading some research and as you know we do a lot of research here. They did a survey people that do these surveys and investigation. I think it was World Health Organization if I’m not mistaken were researching nations on this planet and their susceptibility to mental disease. Shockingly enough the nation that has the highest percentage of mental disorder and are on psychiatric drugs and counseling…
Sid: My guest is red hot for the Messiah his name is Dr. Michael Brown. He’s a Jewish believer in Jesus, and when I say he’s on fire for the Lord, he is on fire for the Lord. He is also president of the Fire School of Ministry in Concord, North Carolina right outside of Charlotte, North Carolina. He is a Semitic language scholar; he has PhD in near eastern languages and literatures from New York University. Recently we conducted a debate between one of the best known traditional rabbis in America, Rabbi Shmuley Boteach. I have a list of his credentials and it would take the whole show just to read all of these credentials. The debate was “Who is Jesus?” It was absolutely high adventure; very few Christians have ever heard rabbinic arguments. I know that my wife watched the debate and she was so excited. Now there was one question that she didn’t quite get, and it had to do… we were discussing Mike Brown about the need for blood sacrifices. The rabbis said “No” and his example was Noah. Would you comment on that?
Michael: Well the traditional Jewish position would be that blood sacrifices have value and they’re important, but God’s primary way of dealing with the human race has been through repentance. I believe he uses an example of the people of Jonah was one example. When Jonah went to preach to the people of Nineveh that they repented and God accepted their repentance and there was no sacrifices offered etcetera. If you look at someone that would have lived before the temple was established, Shmuley’s point would have been “How are they righteous? They weren’t righteous through blood sacrifices, they were righteous through repentance.” My argument of course is “Yes repentance has always been foundational, but that God also requires a penalty for sin and that His way of pointing to the Messiah and how the innocent would suffer for the guilty was to send His Son in a prefigured way.” How so in the animal sacrifice system? So the sacrificial system of Israel, which was a massively important part of the Torah, was constantly prefiguring substitution, substitution; innocent for the guilty, the requirement of blood. Shmuley of course would argue that the blood sacrifice were for unintentional sins primarily, and most of them were, but there were specific sacrifices for guilty sins where you knew it and it was intentional. There was specific sacrifices offered on the Day of Atonement that covered the entire guilt of the entire nation. So blood sacrifices played an important role, traditional Judaism of course has emphasized with the absence of the temple, and the absence of sacrifices “No we don’t need those we have repentance, we have prayer, we have charity and that’s sufficient although one day it will be great to have the temple standing with the sacrifices offered again, but it’s not necessary in the meantime.” Of course there answers for each of these objections, but that’s a standard one “We don’t need the blood” is a big Jewish objection.
Sid: Of course that’s one of the major issues of the entire scriptures because without the shedding of blood there is NO atonement for sin. In this debate to help our listeners really understand this tell me what is traditional Judaism today? What is rabbinic Judaism today and how close is it to the scriptures?
Michael: Okay. Traditional Judaism is based on the Bible plus rabbinic traditions. The simplest way to say it, one scholar put it like this “The Catholic religion is no more the religion of the New Testament, than traditional Judaism is the religion of the Old Testament.” Meaning if you talk to a Catholic and say “Why do you do this, and this, and this…” they have some scripture support, but then they say “This is done by the authority of the church.” If you’re a Catholic you believe that has been passed on through each generation, and that the Pope carries the same authority as Peter. Well the same way if you’re a traditional Jew, you believe yes God gave us the scriptures, but the scriptures as given are unintelligible. In other words, it says “Don’t work on the Sabbath if you work on the Sabbath you’ll be put to death,” but it doesn’t explain in detail what it means to work, and so with other commandments. They believe, traditional Jews believe, on Mt. Sinai God gave Moses an oral law to explain the written law. That oral law was then passed on to Joshua, from Joshua to the eldest, the eldest to the prophets, on and on, till you get to the days of Jesus. Then like Hillel and Shammai, and even then Gamaliel under whom Paul studied, and the authors of the Mishnah and the Talmud, and the Jewish law coach through the ages. The belief is the way that you understand what is written is by going to the rabbis, and the rabbis have a chain of tradition some of which is written, some of which is passed down orally that explains what the scriptures mean. On the one hand, there is much of the Bible in traditional Judaism, for example a religious Jew is reading through the 5 Books of Moses, the Torah, every year in the synagogues. A religious Jew is praying the Psalms and other portions of scripture in daily prayer 2 or 3 times a day. But most of what a religious Jew does is not found directly in scripture in terms of what he says when he gets up in the morning, how he prays, wearing a head covering, wearing other types of garments, the extensions of the dietary laws, etcetera… Some of these traditions actually contradict the spirit or the life of the word, a traditional Jew would say “That’s not the case,” but we can see clearly in the gospels that when Jesus had conflicts with the religious leaders it was generally over the traditions; some of those traditions Jesus said “You make void the word of God with your traditions” in Mark 7 and Matthew 15. So there’s certain things traditional Jews do in terms of keeping the Sabbath, and the Biblical calendar, and they’re more zealous for that than anyone in the world. On the hand, what they have done is added so many traditions and human commands, and if you don’t do it THAT WAY you’re considered not be a true follower of scripture.
Sid: Does God accept traditional Judaism as justification to go to heaven?
Michael: Oh no! God doesn’t accept any human system as traditional justification to go to heaven.
Sid: So it’s actually diabolical in that sense because they think they’re okay.
Michael: Any support we have aside from falling into God’s hands and asking for mercy through the Messiah is a false support. No matter how beautiful, no matter how filled with wisdom, no matter how powerful the traditions, no matter how much good is there, ultimately any other system that gets us from trusting in Yeshua alone for salvation. I’m not saying we don’t need to repent, I’m not saying we don’t need to live holy lives, but I’m saying if the basis of our confidence is our religion, or our tradition, or our lifestyle, or our good works we will find ourselves terribly short on the day we stand before the Lord.
Sid: Alright, let me put the question this way, is traditional Judaism the religion of Moses and the prophets?
Michael: Absolutely not, without question, absolutely not.
Sid: Where did they deviate?
Michael: Historically the deviation seems to grow from a couple of hundred years before Yeshua, as the Pharisees began to rise up. In many ways an excellent movement striving for purity, but in other ways, once they began to develop their traditions, and once they began to say “If you do not follow our traditions you are not right with God.” That’s when the problems began to arise. Look I could tell a Jewish person, but I do keep the Sabbath, and they could say “If you don’t keep it according to our tradition you’re not keeping it.” I could “But I follow what is written literally in the Bible” and they could say “If you don’t follow our tradition you’re not right with God.” The dividing line comes when Yeshua comes into the world that’s where the decision has to go “Will we go with the fulfilling of the prophets and the miraculous, and the voice of God revealed through the Messiah the last and greatest national prophet to Israel? Or will we follow our traditions?” To the extent human traditions are followed to that extent you ultimately hit a dead end and you miss God.
Sid: Okay, if you had one shot a Jewish rabbi and could say one statement to him to get him to think what would it be?
Michael: One statement I would probably urge him to study the scriptures and to recognize the Messiah was supposed to come before the second temple was destroyed. The second temple was destroyed over 1900 years ago in the year 70 of this era. There is a clear prophetic witness pointing towards it in Haggai 2, and Malachi 3, and Daniel 9 when you weave those strands together. There’s even rabbinic tradition that indicates the Messiah was expected roughly 1800 years ago. In other words, a long time ago something should have happened and the scriptures indicating He was expected before the second temple was destroyed. What happened? The Talmudic tradition says He should have come 1800 years ago, but because of our sins we’ve missed it. I say He did come 2000 years ago as the prophets said He would, and because of our sins we missed Him. Therefore, we need to repent and turn back. God has kept His timetable faithfully without skipping a beat. God has laid out in scripture that the Messiah would first be rejected and misunderstood by the nation, and be a light to the Gentiles before He would be received by His people. Who else has done that? We began our debate with Shmuley making the point very well, he’s a tremendous speaker, and made the point very well that Jesus has brought the knowledge of God to hundreds of millions of people. [Laughing] He’s a Jew! If I said which Jew has brought knowledge of the God of Israel to hundreds of millions of people you’d say “Well it’s this Jew Jesus.” Who’s a better candidate for the Messiah than Him? Who else came and lived and died 2000 years ago, not to mention resurrection…
Sid: Listen I thought he was setting you up for both debates.
SID: In 1906, one of the greatest revivals the world has ever known in America. It was called the Azusa Street Revival. And there was a young man and he was in trouble. He was an alcoholic. He was a drug addict. He was homeless and some women from the Azusa Street Revival felt sorry for him, led him to the Lord, set him free. And these were elderly people that actually were part of the Azusa Street Revival, and they told Tommy, your job is to tell the next generation when the greatest move of God’s spirit to ever hit Planet Earth just before Jesus comes, to tell these stories. Tommy, why did they want you to tell these stories?
TOMMY: Because they believed the anointing was going to set forth a revival. When I tell these stories now, Sid, things start happening. People start getting healed and people start getting ministries themselves, supernaturally, especially when I pray of prayer of impartation on them.
SID: I’m going to have Tommy do that in a little while. But Tommy, tell me about William Seymour, who started the revival.
TOMMY: Seymour was the son of a slave. He wasn’t that awful educated. But listen, he said when the anointing came on him he started preaching, saying words so everybody couldn’t understand him, but he was so intelligent. Had an anointing on him all the time and he was obedient. I don’t know that a pastor could get away with this today, but he had set on a pew and put a box on his head.
SID: What kind of box?
TOMMY: A wooden box.
SID: Why did he do that?
TOMMY: He said God told him to. And sometimes he’d set there for 10 minutes, and he’d sit there for over an hour.
SID: While all the people were there? How would you like to be, have a wooden box over your head and you sit there praying in supernatural language for an hour while the congregation is just sitting there. Now when he’d take the box off, what would happen?
TOMMY: He would always get up and then everybody would sit down and start listening. A lot of times, he’d just walk around and tell, he’d say, “Charles,” he’s talking to Brother Sines, “play this tune.” And when Charles Sines started playing the tune, he said he wouldn’t be long. And he said, “Brother Tommy, I would just sit back and watch my finger play.” And the people in audience said it sounded like a thousand pianos playing. And he said he was sitting and looking at the people and said, “Now start singing in tongues.” When he sang in the Spirit that meant tongues. When he started singing in tongues, that Shekinah Glory that lingered would start rising and it would fill the whole building. And then a flame would shoot up out of the roof, a big flame, and the fire department got called many times.
SID: It was real.
SID: All right. It would shoot out of the roof. But you told me another flame, a bolt of lightning almost would come from Heaven. Explain that.
TOMMY: Well it would shoot up about 50 feet, they said. And then about 50 feet from that a ball of fire would appear and flames would start shooting down and go through the flames that were coming up.
SID: What were these flames? What was the point of this?
TOMMY: Well I know I had a Jewish rabbi explain to me that there are flaming angels that knew each other in the Bible. This is known. He said those angels, that the flames that were shooting down were angels bringing miracles to Azusa Street and the ones going up were going back to get more miracles. And that’s, during that time, flames, when the great miracles would happen—
SID: They had wonderful creative miracles. It’s going to be hard for you to believe. Tell me about the man that had an artificial arm.
TOMMY: He had had his, even his shoulder blade ripped out at a job. Back then they didn’t have the benefits they have now. He had an artificial arm hanging on it, but it was starting to really give him trouble. And Seymour said, “Well, you’ll need to take the artificial arm off.” And he looked up and he says, “You all want to have some fun like we did about a year ago when the man’s leg grew out?” He says, “We’re going to.” And he laid his hands on his shoulder. Brother Garcia looked down and said, “Brother Tommy, I can look down into that hole in his shoulder and see the bone.” He said he started praying for it, he said, all of a sudden the bone started growing out about four inches. The flesh growing around it. And he said, it took only seconds. For him, it was slow motion. And he watched it as it just grew it. And he said as he watched it, the fingernails appeared all of a sudden.
SID: You know, if that would happen for me, I’d put a wooden box on your head, on my head. Would you do it? I know you would. We’ll be right back. I can’t wait for him to pray for this impartation for you.
Sid: I have my friend on the phone Rabbi Jonathan Cahn he’s the spiritual leader of Beth Israel Messianic Jewish Congregation in Garfield, New Jersey. He recently gave a prophetic teaching message for the Messianic Jewish Alliance of America called “Harbinger.” The word harbinger means “Warnings.” It is not a coincidence that I am interviewing him this week, it is not a coincidence that this evening begins Rosh Hashanah, the Feast of Trumpets; a time to soul search and repent because judgment day, Yom Kippur, is coming. Let’s hear the shofar blast. [Sound of shofar]. These are serious times that we are living in, we know about the tragedy of 911; we know about the tragedy of Katrina, but do we know what triggered 911? Do we know what triggered hurricane Katrina? I believe there are some answers and I believe God speaks to us through His prophets. On my radio broadcast on July 8, 2005 I had a new covenant prophet on by the name of John Mark Pool. I want you to hear exactly what he said on July 8th about the hurricane that would occur on August 29, 2005.
Excerpt with John Mark Pool
Sid: On your webpage you talk about the things that you see for this year. I just got back speaking at the church you attend and I stopped over in New Orleans and I could not believe what I saw in the streets of New Orleans. I didn’t get saved until I was 30 years of age, and I’ve seen gay people it’s not like I’ve been living a sheltered life my whole life. I have never seen gay bars where the people are lined up outside and just… I mean Sodom and Gomorrah could not be worse than what I witnessed with my very eyes. What did God tell you about New Orleans Mark?
John Mark Pool: As I was in the top of the Banquin building, the highest building in New Orleans by an invitation. I looked over the city in all directions, and often times the Lord will do this like in a bright middle of the day, there was kind of like an open vision. I looked down and I no longer saw the streets with traffic I just saw, I would say what looked like 20 foot of water all under me all over the city with refuge just floating about. Much like what we saw in the pictures of the aftermath of the tsunami.
Sid: With these judgments that everyone can see there’s a ray of hope. This ray of hope is God is pouring out His Spirit on Israel, God is pouring out Spirit on Jewish people. I heard reports that for the very first time in modern Israel’s history Israelis, native born Israelis, are starting to come to the Lord. Friends of mine who have Messianic Jewish congregations in Israel are telling me at least every week a new Jewish person is coming to believe that Jesus is the Messiah. I went there to investigate, but I went more than to investigate. I believe that God showed me a strategy to reach Israel. It’s a different strategy than has ever been done in modern Israel’s history, but it’s closer to the Bible than any other strategy; it’s not apologetics; it’s not wonderful arguments, if wonderful arguments would reach Jewish people with the Gospel then every Jewish person in the world would be a believer. The Bible says “The Jew requires a sign.” What I did was I rented 2 secular auditoriums and one was actually a disco. We advertised in the newspaper, in flyers, and we invited people to a lecture on the supernatural. We stated that many people would be physically healed that would attend. We filled up 2 building, so many Israelis made professions of faith, first time professions of faith. As a matter of fact, we had over 50 Israelis, this is unprecedented, in modern Israel’s history. Fifty Israeli’s made first time professions of faith, there were many more, but there were 50 that identified themselves. Unprecedented, then I went to Berlin, Germany. I went to Berlin on September 3rd and we rented a secular auditorium, we ran newspaper ads, and we decided to even do it bigger. The newspaper ads and the flyers said “Lecture on the supernatural” then it described the fact that I’m a Jewish person and that when I speak, and I’m an expert in the supernatural, and when I speak people get healed. Well the auditorium was packed. I mean when I got there I did this whole thing by faith, and there could 5 people there. It was packed with Russian Jews! You say “How are Russian Jews in Berlin, Germany?” Over the last 14 years over 200 thousand Russian Jews have immigrated to Germany. The auditorium was packed, why? Because Jews are so interested in the supernatural and if we won’t show them the supernatural of God the devil isn’t shy. It was packed with Jewish people that are into the New Age, into the occult. They were coming for a demonstration of the supernatural and I shared basically my testimony which involves coming from a traditional Jewish background being involved in the New Age and the occult before I became a believer in Jesus. I gave my full testimony, and I tell you what normally when I speak words of knowledge come throughout my talk and people are always healed, but no words of knowledge came. Talk about being nervous Jonathan… here I’ve advertised that there are going to be miracles and it’s 2 minutes before the close and there’s no miracles then all of a sudden words of knowledge came forth. People came forward actually came on the stage and said they were instantly healed by the power of God. Then I said “Those that want to know God” I didn’t say “Those that want to become a Christian,” I didn’t say “Those that want to become a Messianic Jew,” I said “Those that want to know God there is only one way, the way I have come to know God and if you want to know Him, I want you to stand up right now and say this prayer with me.” I would have to say 99% of the people stood up and made a profession of faith. Then I said “If you’ve never said a prayer like this before I want you to come forward.” We’re talking about close to 500 people, and I would say at least half or more of the people then came forward to say “I’ve never said a prayer like this before” and I gave them a copy of my book “They Thought for Themselves” of 10 Jewish testimonies. By the way, in a few days I’ll be heading to Israel again for Sukkot, the Feast of Tabernacles, I’m going to have a tent out by the Sea of Galilee, and they’re expecting 20 to 30 thousand Israelis to attend a New Age festival and I’ll have platform and a microphone, and I’ll be able to publically share the gospel. Let’s put this into perspective. Why are all these Jewish people coming to the Lord right now? Why is God pouring out His Spirit on Jewish people? Because Joel chapter 2 that you’re familiar with, the 28th all the way to the 32nd verse, talks about an outpouring of God’s Spirit on Jewish people. It started at Pentecost, but the greater outpouring is happening right now because it says in Joel that at the time the nations divide up the land of Israel, and will face judgment over that there will be a major outpouring of God’s Spirit on Jewish people. People are being healed as I’m speaking right now, someone’s neck was just healed. The prophet Amos also says in the 9th chapter when you see this great outpouring of God’s Spirit on the tabernacle of David, the tabernacle of David in the Hebrew means the house or family of David. When you see Jewish people come to the Lord you will see the greatest Gentile revival in history. Now it’s not an accident that I just got back from Germany where they had the wall in Berlin that’s separated the nation down the middle. Because right now there is a wall between Jews and Christians, and Jesus came to break down the wall between Jews and Gentiles and it’s about ready to happen now! The reason I have you on the telephone Jonathan is you gave… this is Rosh Hashanah beginning this evening, and Yom Kippur is coming up. You gave a message for the Messianic Jewish Alliance that I heard such amazing reports of. It was so prophetic I believe the word God has given you is a must for us to hear right now! There is a certain pattern having to do with Israel and God’s judgment. I believe if we can understand that pattern we can see what is about ready to happen to the United States.
Jonathan: That’s correct we are in a very critical time. It is appropriate that this should be at the Feast of Trumpets. Because the trumpet is a sound of warning, a sound of wakeup because the day of meeting God is near. This message is really coming through the body… I don’t know if you’ve sensed it, but there’s a lot of words about the watchman. The watchman would stand on the wall with a trumpet and when he saw the danger coming he would sound that shofar. That shofar is a wakeup call, and God is giving a wakeup call to America. We’re at a very critical point and there are very key patterns in the Bible that reveal the beginning of judgment, the exact steps of it and signs that are given. In 911, September 11th, there were several key signs…
Sid: I tell you what hold that thought. We’ll pick up right here on tomorrow’s broadcast.
Sid: Now if you’ve been listening to me for any time you know that I’ve been on a spiritual quest to understand as much as I can about how Bible believers can walk in Divine health. How those that are sick can be healed. Most people say it’s a mystery, but I believe that God has something better for His better for His children than a mystery. And that’s why I interview people that I feel are the cutting edge of understanding how we can reach out into that invisible realm and draw that physical healing, or that body part, or whatever our need is into us in the visible realm. Now my guest has been a guest several times on Messianic Vision is Henry Wright. I’ve been out to his congregation Pleasant Valley Church in Thomaston, Georgia. I’ve been to his seminars and he has found that for every disease known to man there are roots. He has through experience found many of the spiritual roots of disease and he has found that when these roots are destroyed it’s easy for a person to manifest they’re healing. Henry you told me that you have some new things going on in reference to cancer healings; tell me about that.
Henry: Well, we’ve as you know we’ve been researching cancer and the pathways of cancer for a number of years and we’ve had a fair amount of success. The newest insight we’ve had in the past few months that’s been confirmed by doctors in Taiwan and Denver, Colorado. As they began to look into their case histories is that in the area of breast cancer we’ve been able to determine that which breast it is, right breast or left breast is indicative of the pathway behind that disease called breast cancer.
Sid: Tell me what you’ve found out.
Henry: Well we found out that in not only does this apply to breast cancer and there are exceptions this profile accounts for probably 80% of all breast cancer. This profile is also accurate concerning breast cyst and also to some degree ovarian cysts. If the tumor or cancer appears in the left breast of the female it is indicative to us of unresolved bitterness and conflict and issues between that woman and another female usually a blood relative. That would begin with a mother, a sister biological sister, or a blood line aunt. If the cyst of the tumors appear in the right breast it is indicative of unresolved bitterness and conflict and resentment and issues between that female who gets the cancer, or cyst, in the right breast and a non-blood relative beginning with the mother in law, a woman in the workplace or a woman in the church. And this is astounding because when people come to us with these diagnosis’ we begin to inquire as to their relationship with other females and boy it certainly there.
Sid: Now give me a testimony of someone that came to you with cancer and you went after the root and they got healed.
Henry: One cancer case was well documented recently in a book by Dr. Neil Anderson coauthor with Michael Jacobson in a book called “Biblical Guide to Alternative Medicine” which has been out for two or three years. But in chapter 20 of this book on the chapter on the chapter entitled “Mind and Body Medicine” there is story of a pastor’s wife in Cincinnati, Ohio. I’ll just read quickly this paragraph and that will save a lot of time by me paraphrasing because this is a direct quote from this book. “If you were to ask her Candace would say that this most powerful physical healing agent available is not a drug. It is a sound healthy spiritual heart and mind. As a 50 year old pastor’s wife Candace was given a devastating diagnosis of metastatic breast cancer. By the time it was discovered the disease had already spread throughout her entire body and she was given only a few months to live, she was stage 4 terminal. In response to her diagnosis she and her husband sought the counsel of a Georgia pastor, who you’re talking to now Sid. Whose ministry orientation is in identifying spiritual factors in the cause of disease. During our conversation Candace became aware of the possibility that bitterness towards another woman had weakened her immune system and made her more vulnerable to cancer. Shortly thereafter, she sought forgiveness and was reconciled in her relationship with a woman from whom she had been estranged. This has been over 7 years ago as of this writing her cancer has spontaneously regressed despite the fact that she has never changed her diet, has never had surgery, has not taken any medications, she still has no symptoms and feels great.” Now this is a story of a pastor’s wife in Cincinnati, Ohio who was stage 4. The cancer had metastasized to her entire body; when she dealt with one issue and lined up with God He heard her confession, He saw her make peace with this other woman and the Kingdom of God was available instantly. This is a powerful testimony because when she called me Sid I didn’t pray for her, I actually was wasting my time by praying for her. By the way she’s a pastor’s wife, she had received prayer so many times; what do you think my prayer would do anything more. No.
Sid: But your whole statement begs the question this is a pastor’s wife, she’s got deadly cancer, you would think she would know that she has to forgive everyone of everything. Why wouldn’t she know this? I mean when you’re up against it you don’t want anything in the way of your healing.
Henry: Well, that’s easy to say you know we know truth Sid. The Bible says “To be a doer of the Word not a hearer only.” I would say most people know how God thinks especially if they’re believers at all they know how God thinks; they know. We know that we’re supposed to forgive people of their issues against us. But it doesn’t mean that we do because we’re just people and we forget what the Bible says about what we should do. So because she’s a pastor’s wife doesn’t mean she’s any different than any other person who struggles with feeling and emotions and things that come when somebody doesn’t like you or they’ve injured you.
Sid: And you know if this was one case we would say praise God, but you’re seeing this as over and over again these patterns. Tell me again another quick testimony.
Henry: Well, again I’ll give you another cancer case where a woman who had cancer of the uterus and this is a case where I didn’t pray for her nobody prayed for her. She simply lined up with how God thinks. This is a lady in Florida who is a Real Estate Broker who was dying of Stage 3 uterine cancer terminal. She was a Real Estate Agent, and she was in a closing one day with a Real Estate Property she was sharing her battle for her life with the other Real Estate Broker and he said “I can’t help you but I do have a booklet here that will tell you to help yourself.” It was one of the teachings that we have here in Be In Health at Pleasant Valley Church we have new insights into cancer. And as she read the little booklet which is not more than a syllabus of the entire teaching she saw the connection between forgiveness and disease and cancer. That was on Wednesday, as she read the booklet that evening, she read it twice. The next morning on Thursday her ex-son-in-law because there had been a divorce and she was the mother-in-law in this case her son-in-law came to drop the grandson off as he usually did Thursday mornings, but in this case instead of avoiding him she ran to the front driveway, she embraced him, she told him she was sorry for hating him. And they made their peace crying together in the driveway, they made their peace together and forgave each other. That was on Thursday. Friday she was due in a hospital in Florida for chemo much to the surprise of her oncologist and her radiologist they found the tumor that had been in her uterus had disappeared. And what had happened in this particular case as she did the word of God made peace with her son-in-law the invisible great God that we serve plucked that cancer entirely out of her uterus and she is well today. I met her personally at a conference I did at a Crown Plaza Hotel at Orlando, Florida last year.
Sid: You know Mispochah I’m speaking to Henry Wright and he has a manual that every person should have. It’s called “A More Excellent Way” subtitled “Be in Health Spiritual Roots of Disease Pathways to Wholeness.” And there are different causes for different diseases. Henry just very briefly I’ve got to take you back; you’re a pastor in a church and you knew all about physical healing because your own mother was healed of cancer. But in a very miraculous fashion but you weren’t seeing many healings at that time. How did you get from that stage to a point now to where you’re going all over the world and showing people the keys to get their healing?
Henry: Well, Sid it’s kind of difficult when you start to pray for people and they don’t get healed. I mean I read them the Jewish scriptures and Psalm 103 “He’s the Lord that forgives us of all of our iniquities and heals us of all of our diseases.” And I got stuck with a big problem, it was the word A-L-L and I realized that you know God forgives sin, but Jesus said this in His discussion. Which is easier to say, “You’re sins be forgiven or pick up your bed and walk.” And I don’t know I suppose it’s easier to be forgiven in people minds today than to be cured of disease. So that’s in men’s minds. But the word of God is true and so I got stuck with a problem Sid. The word of God said one thing and I wasn’t getting even close to what that word all represented.
Sid: You know Henry will pick up on that subject tomorrow.