Sid RothComments Off on Our Guest Michael Champagne
Sid: My guest is red hot for the Messiah because he knows what’s on the other side. You see the problem with most Christians is most Christian I believe don’t even understand the dark side of the invisible world my guest does. His name is Michael Champagne I’m speaking to him at home at Palisade, Colorado. Michael you were raised in a nice Baptist church you even taught the Bible, but you started studying mythology in the 5th grade you didn’t see the good. Were you actually asking people before you got into the dark side “Where are the things I read about in the bible, the miracles?”
Michael: Absolutely that’s exactly what I was doing every chance I got every Baptist teacher that I could get my hands on our pastor everything. I was just like where is it at it’s here this is supposed to be the perfect book there’s supposed to be no flaws in it but the only flaw I see is that you ain’t living it. (Laughing)
Sid: Now how did you actually get into Satanism?
Michael: The only way I could say it was absolutely supernatural through studying. One day real late at night I was just I was just fed up with everything you know. Atheism sounded great to me because then I didn’t have to wait on either side.
Michael: Just threw all my books down on the ground and I felt a presence come into my room. Now being a Christian I know the difference that when the presence comes into my room and it’s good or not but then I didn’t and this presence just walked up to me. And I heard a voice say “If you give me your hand I’ll show you the power that you want.” And I you know I symbolically stuck out my hand and I felt this burden…
Sid: Stop, stop was there a twinge of maybe I shouldn’t do this or just excitement and hunger when you did that?
Michael: Excitement and hunger.
Sid: Okay so you stuck out your hand then what happened?
Michael: And I felt like a not a lightning bolt I don’t know what it was like I got real dizzy and almost nauseous at first and then the presence was gone the dizziness was gone but there’s like a swell of power inside of me. And it was like for once I was seeing things like I believe now that demons see things. I was seeing the souls of people laid bare when I looked at them.
Sid: What do you mean by that?
Michael: I was seeing the inside of people like I was seeing…
Sid: Your’e seeing their secret sins.
Michael: There secret sins their secret thoughts I mean I was literally able to look inside and see what was really in there. And you know my thought at the time was “This is what I’ve been looking for my whole life.”
Sid: Out of curiosity when you would look into someone could you tell if they were a Christian or not?
Michael: Yeah I mean I knew the difference when I looked at somebody but you know with a Christian you know still, but I see into people but I see the power of God and I see the prophetic gift that I see into people. But then I would see their sins and whatever was going on in their life; now I just see if it’s a Christian I see lights almost a candle light depending on how bright they are.
Sid: Tell me about as you got into Satanism I’ve heard that they have covens what are they?
Michael: Covens are a group of witches or Satanists or whatever you know brand they want to label themselves they get together for the purpose of they had orgies, they cast spells on to certain… it’s much like a church service.
Sid: Now how much control did you have over a coven?
Michael: I was a leader in my home town of about 10 covens.
Sid: I read stories I don’t know if there true or not about sacrificing children is that true does that go on?
Michael: That goes on but in my covens it didn’t I’ve never sacrificed a small child or an animal. And the reason is most people that get into witchcraft when they get into that darker area the devil requires more of them you know if you want this much power you’re going to have to do this. With me I believe that that presence was… I don’t know if it was Satan himself but it was a higher up in this hierarchy it was a principality so I didn’t have to sacrifice an animal to get power or a person because I’d already given myself completely over to this demonic power.
Sid: Now you were actually teaching a Bible study while you were a Satanist?
Sid: What was your objective?
Michael: My objective was to point out flaws.
Sid: To undermine people’s faith.
Sid: And were you successful at that?
Michael: Yeah I was very successful at that people were like “Well you know Michael you have a good point I mean if we’re supposed to be these good solid Christians and believe everything the Bible says and walk like Jesus walks then why can’t we have that power?” Then I would you know take the 2 or 3 at a time that had questions and I’d pull them aside and I would give them a demonstration of power.
Sid: And then would you get them into your group?
Michael: Sometimes sometimes they got freaked out and ran away but about 1 of 10 would stick around and we’d have that one.
Sid: What about these people that are on television that do almost séances where they communicate with supposedly a dead relative of people and talk to them and tell them things about themselves. Could you do that at that point?
Michael: Ah yeah I could but I strayed away from necromancy which is talking to the dead people.
Sid: Tell me what is really going on in this necromancing?
Sid: Someone is sitting in a séance and supposedly their mother or their father has died is now talking to them through this channeler and they’re saying things that only that person knew how does that work?
Michael: Familiar spirits. The dead mother or the dead father or whatever relative it was had a demon. The channeler listens to the demon who knows the details of these people’s lives. The channeler then you know regurgitates the information to the other family members that’s alive. Now of course the information is correct because this person’s demon that’s talking to the channeler.
Sid: So what would you say to someone that says “I believe in reincarnation I’ll just keep coming back until I get better and better.” What would you tell them?
Michael: I’d tell them that there’s only your only have one chance at life and you know and I was very blessed by God in the outset because I didn’t die. But I would say to that person that “They need to step away and reevaluate their life because the only thing that they’re going to find is that all of these things that they believe is are demonic.”
Sid: But what about someone that says “Well I believe what you’re saying is true but I believe that there are many paths to God.” What would you say to them?
Michael: I would say that it’s a long journey to get to where I got and I’m just going to save them the time and say that “There’s only one path the Bible says that ‘There’s a path that seems right to man but the end is death.’” The Bible says that very clearly one God, one path, one door, one key.
Sid: Let me ask you something that is very popular today in gyms, it’s not a spiritual thing it’s an exercise thing it’s relaxing it’s good for blood pressure, it’s good to meditate it’s called Yoga. They don’t go into the spiritual side they just do the exercises. Is there anything wrong with a Christian doing that?
Michael: I would strongly advise against it the word Yoga literally means spirit binding. When you do those weird exercises you are literally aligning yourself with a spirit that binds to you and that connects to you.
Sid: Michael being as deep as you were into these things what was the first thing that gave you… moved you into the direction of becoming a believer in Jesus?
Michael: The first thing… I don’t know I mean to be real honest I thought about this there’s not like a event. I was in LA I was living on the streets doing what I’ve always done in witchcraft and…
Sid: Wait a second if you got all of this power what are you doing living on the streets?
Michael: Because I was a demonic missionary I traveled from hot spot to hot spot looking for teenagers.
Sid: Okay, and you went 7 years ago you went to a place that I’d heard of in Los Angeles called the Dream Center why did you go there?
Michael: Well for one they had something that I didn’t have at the time food. (Laughing)
Sid: Come on now you alright called yourself a missionary on the streets for Satan, doesn’t Satan take care of his missionaries?
Michael: Yeah I mean there.
Sid: But whoa whoa whoa whoa you were going there for food?
Michael: Yeah I was going there.
Sid: Well Michael you can’t have it both ways it wasn’t so good was it to have to go there for food?
Michael: No it wasn’t my most pleasant act.
Sid: (Laughing) Okay so you went there for food what happened?
Michael: I decided to stay because I saw some potential victims. You know at this discipleship home and I was thinking that if I stayed around long enough then I can… I can win these people over and they can come with me. And one day the leader of the house said that “If you stay here you got to throw away your Tarot Cards.” I had Tarot cards at the times that I didn’t leave them. I slept with them I…
Sid: What’s wrong with Ouija boards and Tarot cards?
Michael: Ouija boards are they’re just amplified antennas they pickup on spirits. And when you know there’s a reason why they look like arrows. The pointer on a Ouija board looks like an arrow because it is it is, it points spirits in different directions. And when a spirit answers a Ouija board he’s also like him knocking at the door.
Sid: So can he come into the person using the Ouija board?
Michael: He can come into person, it can come into the room and it can come into the house it all depends.
Sid: My goodness sounds like every Ouija board in America ought to be burned we’re out of time will pick up right here on tomorrow’s broadcast.
Sid: My guest is red hot for the Messiah his name is Dave Roberson I’m speaking to him at his headquarters in Tulsa, Oklahoma. We found out Monday that he went to a trip to Brazil and there were so many miracles that broke out. But the thing that intrigued me the most Dave is you moved into a new level for yourself of compassion explain that.
Dave: Sid it began… oh goodness, it began with what I thought was just a revelation of private worship. And he in no uncertain terms I thought I had all I need to know about worship. One day the power of God swept over me in the auditorium and I landed on my back and I didn’t know if I was going up or I didn’t know where I was going. The next thing I know I hear His voice saying “You don’t know anything about worship really.” And before it was over I knew that I was to spend a certain amount of time worshipping every day and I did.
Sid: Now when you worship just out of curiosity do you put a CD on and worship with it do you not how do you do it?
Dave: Sid I was instructed to break in just me, myself and I you know like spirit, soul and body and Him. So I went into my sound room, and I think one of the reasons that you can’t always have a conducive atmosphere you know you could be changed through your testimony sake between people that are unhappy you know. So I went in and closed the door where I make radio tapes and just laid there and out of the inner sanctuary of my own priesthood in other words my words began to get simpler and simpler as I emptied myself out into every statement of adoration. If my mind would wonder off down the street solving a problem from yesterday, I’d say “You’re in the presence of the King you’re the only guest he wants pay attention.” So I’d bring it back Sid I’d make it come back. And I’d pour all of myself into it and He began to come and stay longer with me and longer until a new anointing was born. Then I found out since then that He wanted to teach me of the revelation of the Father. Now a lot of preachers were burning out after 30 years ministering and I was running into them after I come to Tulsa and a lot of people were wanting to get… raise money for burnout preachers recovery places. And just lately He said to me “Son they wouldn’t burn out if they’d made the transition from God; see the God their Father.” I didn’t know who He really wanted who He really wanted me to know and so I thought it was just private worship but it transition began to take place. So in the last seeking time a couple of years ago when I locked myself up near the end of it I was mostly worshipping and that’s when he reached down and touched me with His finger. Touched my spirit and baptized me in some kind of love that I got to see you Sid and the other members of the body through His eyes and through His love just for a moment and it reduced me to 9 hours of crying. Since then the miracles have come to levels that have been just unprecedented. Praying in tongues Sid the revelation gift delivered me to the worship limb; in other words when it was time to add this dimension of power to my call in life and ministry just like anybody else that prays in tongues or has been introduced to it. The Holy Spirit made sure I couldn’t get pass the worship limb without adding that whole dimension to my life. And when He did private worship can’t give you what praying in tongues does because it’s not a revelation gift. But praying in tongues can’t give you what private worship can. Or fasting can’t give you what worship or praying in tongues can, but neither can they give you what fasting can. But the one thing praying in tongues will always do it will always deliver you to the key or the limb that can give you what the praying in the Spirit can’t because it delivers you to what can. So this compassion was unprecedented in my life. I wept until the tear ducts was dry. Just in Hawaii when I was in a convention with Norvel Hayes. My son Bill picked a man up in a wheelchair his kidneys had shut down and is totally blind with white growths over his eyes. My son picked him up and carried him down the flight of stairs to set him in the meeting. When I got to him it was just last month and when I got to him Sid or a month before last I jerked his glasses off and looked into his eyes and they were white. He scared me for here comes His love again reduced me to that love He has. And I laid hands on him and what was funny was the young man running the soundboard was a friend of Bill’s and he had to step out and didn’t know that I was about to pray for the man. And later that night he told Bill we better wheel the man out and load him back in his car. And Bill said “What for he just walked out…” (Crying).
Sid: But Dave.
Sid: I believe that there are people listening to us right now that have and unless they have a miracle they’re going to die; unless they have a miracle there’s nothing medical science is going to be able to do for them. And I believe that if you begin to pray in the Spirit and worship God just for a moment that the compassion will be released right through the radio and right through this cassette right now.
Dave: He will Sid; He’s here you’re right I can’t hardly contain myself. (Praying in the Spirit & crying). This is what He said in the Spirit Sid He said that “He’s guiding my prayer.” I mean this is what the interpretation of the tongues is. He said “I’m ceasing a hold to this to guide your prayer and My presence will be in your prayer therefore be ready for many of you who are listening whenever you hear this tape whenever and that very emphasis in the future at any time that it’s ever replayed this is very vivid that this anointing will come back. And it’s here now if you have pain in your body disease blind, it doesn’t matter. One man who was 40 years in his bed, they slipped a prayer cloth in his bed under his mattress and 3 days later he was buying $700 carpet equipment from Wal-Mart. And I’m not interpreting now but it’s got that strong. So right now right now set your heart in agreement with me just begin to thank Jesus just begin to thank Him. Father right now I feel your compassion pouring to everybody that hears this will receive from it. I speak to every pain causing disease, every terminal disease, every crippling disease, every blinding disease, every problem Father of sickness, pain of any form of any kind; I thank You for your love and compassion and Jesus You for preparing such a final place in the Father with You blood and Your grace; such a final place that we’re able to lead these people in that place that is so done that by the time we’re finished praying here that the miracles will already have begun as You leading this prayer Heavenly Father I speak Your miracle working power and your healing power upon every person listening and praying and worshipping and receiving in Your Name Jesus I send these miracles forth and command them, command them to flow like the rivers of Your living water. Receive Your miracle in emphasis I say “Be healed in the name of Jesus receive from the pools of His live that do not run dry in Jesus Name.” And Father I thank You for this.
Sid: Dave there’s such a presence a sweet presence of God going through the airwaves right now. Someone’s back was just recreated; I mean that’s something no doctor could have done. I heard this so clearly but it’s not just backs it’s anything you need Jesus paid the price for.
Dave: Hallelujah Jesus He’s your right Sid He’s so strong He’s still moving. The man that was healed that night he saw his wife’s face for the first time. He saw the ceiling fan, he loaded his wife in the wheelchair and wheeled him down the street to his rebellious son that lived a few houses down and Sid when he saw his Poppa out there with his Momma pushing her and seeing her…
Sid: You know Dave we’re out of time right now but this all began with Dave with the revelation God gave him on praying in tongues; I want that to be burned into you by the Spirit of God.
Sid: Getting ready Mishpochah to see our God who says “All things are possible to him who believes.” We’re getting ready to see our God perform the greatest miracles in our life, in your life in Pastor Gary Whetstone’s life. I have Pastor Gary on the telephone he is the Senior Pastor of Victory Christian Fellowship in Wilmington Delaware. Just written a brand new book called “Make Fear Bow” and I am convinced that this is one of the methods that the devil has been using for years to stop your marriage from working, to stop your finances from working, to stop your healing from working. And even more important than that stopping the intimacy with God for from out of that intimacy comes the revelation of your destiny. And even fear is stopping that revelation that deep love that God wants to pour into you right now. Now Gary Whetstone you have had more than your share of opportunities to fail with the spirit of fear but I would have to think oh my goodness just as I’m speaking right now someone is being healed. There’s someone whose neck the pain is totally gone and I’m telling you something else there’s someone with a hip problem that if you’ll just get out of your car or start walking you’ll see that pain is totally gone. I wouldn’t be surprised if you don’t have a new bone there but Gary there are people that are struggling with marital problems I don’t know of anyone in a worse situation than yours. You were brand new believer you knew nothing about God, you’re married to a wonderful woman she can’t stand you because you’re not renewed; she’s not renewed so she doesn’t think there’s any way the marriage could work. She divorces you but you actually asked her out on a date the day that she divorced you?
Gary: That’s right. You know Sid there was a decree that every man and woman hate to see and that is the decree you are divorced. That you’ve come to the complete and total impasse that there’s no way to reconcile that marriage and one of the greatest things that I had to face in my life early in my Christian walk in 1975 was the fact that I failed as a husband I failed as a father, I failed as a man, I failed as a believer, I failed in every dimension you could image. And there was such a gripping fear that once that once that once that decree of divorce was done there was no way I could ever possibly reconcile my relationship with my ex-wife until I knew something that God had said and it was this lst Corinthians chapter 7 it says “That which God has joined together.” And then it gives an authority of letting her remarry or return to her husband. I’ll tell you what happened to me Sid the Spirit of God gave me an answer of “I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.” And when I came to the divorce court settlement where I gave her everything she asked for; I gave her everything she wanted but I asked if I could just say one word please in the court and I had my hand he wanted you to put your hand on the Bible if you say anything. And I said “No, I’d like to open it and read it.” He said “We don’t read it we put our hand on it.” I said “Please Sir I just want to read one sentence.” He goes “Go ahead.” In 1st Corinthians chapter 7 verse 11 it says “But if she depart let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband and let not the husband put away his wife.” And I got a grip on something that all of my failures and the fear of reliving it was nothing more than information of my past. And as I took authority in the name of Jesus and broke that fear of revisiting my history and I read this sentence and I said “Your honor I would like it to be put down in the court record that it says “Let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband so today I let her be reconciled to me.” Thank you Sir I appreciate the time and he looked at me like I was from outer-space. He looks over at my wife and he says to her “I can’t really blame you for divorcing.”
Gary: So he took the little gavel put case dismissed or not dismissed but you know this is it you’re divorced next case. So I got up from my seat and she got up from her seat and on the way out I said “Hey how would you like to go out to lunch?” She said “What’s wrong with you?” I said “Hey you’re single aren’t you?” She goes “Yeah so am I, I don’t see anybody else wanting to take you out to lunch how about a date?” You know she went with me (Laughing) Sid if people can get the grip of the voices of fear that hold them paralyzed and break it they can do the extraordinary exploits of God.
Sid: Listen you got your life cleaned up you got disciple, you got delivered everything is fine you go back to marry your wife and she’s afraid to marry you.
Gary: Her fear was the same fear of what had happened in the past would happen again.
Sid: And there’s so many people listening to us right now that the devil keeps recyleling “If you get friendly with this person they will hurt you again.”
Gary: That’s right and they hear it and that’s where they retreat in fear back into they’re cocoon and created an identity that avoids human relationship. But I’ll tell you there’s an anointing right now Sid to break the bands and the yokes upon their lives. Inside of my spirit there is a tongue and interpretation that is rising up within me…
Sid: Before you give this Gary here is the deal Gary did remarry his wife and how many years have you’ve been married now?
Gary: We’ve been married now 31 years with 9 months off with bad behavior.
Sid: Let every man and demon be a liar but God’s word is true give that word now Gary.
Gary: (Gary praying in tongues) For this day sayeth the Spirit of Almighty you shall rise with an authority and with a fist of demand to break the powers of oppression that have so entangled you for this day we call forth the captives free we open the prison door by the power of this awesome grace and this day you are released from the words that have so demeaned and bound and ridiculed and the weight and the burdens of our insecurity and the grip of the inferiority has broken from you for the power of the Almighty has arised from within to perform the works of God under manifestation.
Sid: Gary there is such a presence of God and anointing. That anointing according to the Bible destroys the yoke.
Sid: And that’s what just happened the yokes of fear have been destroyed and I’m expecting such great and mighty exploits by everyone that has heard that prophetic word; that wasn’t just for one person.
Sid: That word was for who-so-ever.
Gary: That’s right it was the Spirit of God speaking into the lives of those believers who was rising up and breaking them free from within. I’ll tell you there’s such a power right here Sid I just want to take every single person listening and everything that has stood in your way and crippled and bound you and become the torment from your mind. And Sid I want us to agree together in pray for them if we can.
Sid: Right now.
Gary: By grace I thank You Father You’ve given us the power in this radio show there is an anointing and if 2 of us on earth shall agree as touching anything we would ask of our Father it is done for us. So we speak to the recluse be loosed and come forth we command the fears of cancer and the product of it die by the name of Jesus we speak to the tumors and the growths and all of the influences of infirmity has come from the curse of generation we command it cut and loosed from their lives. And in the Name of Jesus we send the word of God now to go and restore the children back to the Fathers and the Fathers back to the children for the heart of the Spirit of God today is a word of life and liberty. Jesus we thank You for this the day of release and a day where Your freedom is known.
Sid: And Gary there is like something coming off of the brains of people that are listening you have had like a vice over your thinking process you’re going to be thinking you’re going to read the Bible and your going to start applying God’s word like you’ve never done that before. But there’s an anointing over the heads if you have tumors and migraines or anything in your head area. I tell you are healed in the Name of Yeshua.
Sid: Today there’s going to be a change a decided change in your destiny. I have on the telephone Dr. John Miller he’s a Chiropractor from Tampa, Florida but for the past 20 years he’s studied communion and the healing that’s in communion, the full understanding of the atonement of communion. And as he teaches this and as people participate in communion it radically changes their life and they do it daily sometimes more than once a day. Now John kind of just whet the appetite tell me about one miracle you’ve seen from people that take communion.
John: Okay this was a very interesting one because we had talked in these previous programs about taking communion daily and saw how the New Testament church did it daily. Jesus said “As oft as you take this.” He didn’t prescribe a time; I had a case that was sent to me her father is a great international evangelist and the girl was dying of Epstein Bar which is a virus that’s half way into Mononucleosis and Aides. It’s a condition that you never get rid of and when your rundown physically or mentally it crops up and usually puts the person down for a couple of days to a couple of weeks in bed. Now this was the worst case that I’d ever heard of because 39% of her heart and liver had been destroyed with the virus. Her dad called me and asked me if there was anything that I could do? And I said “Yeah there are some things in my practice that I could use but is she a Christian?” And he laughed and he said “She’s a Children’s Evangelist in a children’s diagnostic hospital.” And I said “Well, there’s a way that she can be healed without any treatment from me through communion.” And he said “Well I’ve been a preacher for like 60 years and I’ve never heard of that.” He said “Do you mind if I come down her?” So I went out and bought some wine and unleavened bread. When they came to the office we just went out to eat and I explained to her communion. Now she went took it 3 times a day because she said “Well, I’ve been taking the medicine for this condition 3 times a day.” So she listened to a cassette tape of me teaching communion and she took communion 3 times a day. The second week her father called me and said that “The doctors in that hospital where she worked were coming down to her office saying ‘What did that doctor in Florida do because you’re tests are coming back normal and this is an incurable disease?’” So working with this patient I learned that communion wasn’t just once a day if you wanted it more than that she felt that she needed that coming in her mind and her spirit 3 times a day, and she got fabulous results. I remember…
Sid: What’s the bottom line what happened to her?
John: She was healed from that condition.
Sid: John Mishpochah we’re going to take communion together John would you lead in that right now.
John: If you take the bread I want you to remember Paul’s words “Not discerning the Lord’s body for this cause many of you are weak, some sickly among you and some sleep.” As you hold that bread for the first time maybe in your life I want you to connect with that represents the Body of Christ that was made to be sick with your sicknesses. Father in the name of Jesus we thank You for so much for the knowledge of the atonement of what You provided through the body and the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ. We thank You now that we have the element we hold in our hand that represents the body of Jesus Christ. I ask that you sanctify this bread as the Body of the Lord Jesus Christ that took our sins, took our cares our worries our sicknesses, our diseases in His body at Calvary. Father as we walk into the tomb where Jesus is lying all wrapped would look somewhat like a mummy we look at His dead body there’s no active sin in it, sin is not encamped in a dead body Jesus has taken our sins and done away with it paid the price. There’s no anxiety in that body, there’s no fear, no nervousness in a dead body, all of our anxieties our fears, our worries, our cares were casted on Him. The chastisement of our peace was upon Him and it no longer exists. He was made to be sick without sicknesses but in a dead body there is no sickness it has been totally done away with. So as we partake of this body of the Lord Jesus Christ that we’re holding we receive total healing in every organ, in every cell and every function in our body. We give you the praise and the honor for it in Jesus Name.
Sid: And Jesus prayed the prayer this way “Baruch atah Adonai Elohanu Melech halolam hamotzi lechhem meen haretz. Amen.” You may partake. Oh there’s such a presence of God that’s moving on people right now John let’s take the wine.
John: I want you hold the wine up to the Lord Father we thank You so much that You loved us so much that you were willing to give Your son for our total salvation. Lord Jesus we thank You that You were willing to come to earth striped of our Deity take the persecution, our sin, our shame, every evil thing in us You took and You shed Your blood to make us righteous. And right now Father we asked that you sanctify the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ as the blood that cleanses us from all unrighteousness. The blood that sealed every part of the atonement, the spiritual, the mental and the physical; Lord let us realize right now that the blood that we hold in our hand is the most powerful substance in the Universe. It’s more powerful than all of the nuclear and all of the atomic bomb that’s ever gone off because all that can do is destroy life. In the blood that we hold in our hand right now is the only thing that created life eternally. And right now we take the blood of the Lord Jesus in and we give You Heavenly Father and You Lord Jesus all of the glory and honor do You in Jesus Name.
Sid: And Yeshua prayed this Hebrew prayer He actually prayed this at the last Passover Seder. “Baruch atah Adonai Elohanu Melech halolam bo-ray puree hagafin. Amen.” You may partake. John when you partake of communion once, twice, maybe even three times a day, after you have finished what do you normally do?
John: That’s the time that I like to do spiritual warfare. There’s no place that demonic sources that where the blood of Jesus is being sprinkled. I think that’s the appropriate time to do what Paul says in Ephesians 6 “We wrestle not against flesh and blood but against powers and against principalities of this world and the wicked spirits in heavenly places.” I like to speak to the devil with the blood of Jesus on my breath.
Sid: Ah I love that!
John: I was a bouncer for 2 nightclubs in St. Louis called “Gas Light Square Section” when I was going to college. And it was your job to put the people out that was causing problem without hurting them so that there was no liability. And those big guys with liquor on their breath with hit you in the chest and knock you back. And their breath was very intimidating, so I just can imagine how intimidating it is to the devil to have the blood of Jesus on your breath when you bind him and command him to desist in any activity against you and your family. I think spiritual warfare and communion are the perfect team.
Sid: With all of the fear Mishpochah that’s going on in society today I don’t know of a better time than for the true revelation of communion to get deep into your spirit…
SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest, Lisa Bevere, is married to bestselling author, John Bevere. You probably read the book, “The Bait of Satan.” Well Lisa, on the first date with John, he prays for her and she gets free from a disease that is even mystifying doctors today, instantly. What caused this stay at home soccer mom to be a world-class speaker and author, just like her husband, to travel the nations rescuing women sold into sex traffic? She says it’s time for you to rise. It’s going to have the same effect on you. No more couch potato. Lisa, tell me about that first date with John.
LISA: Well he shouldn’t have been asking me out, but he did. He invited me to a Bible study picnic, and I was just thinking free food. I had no idea I was about ready to be ambushed by the spirit of God. So I go to this date. They’re all singing songs. You need to think about this. This is back in 1981, when the songs were bad. And so they were singing with one guitar and one person had their hand up in the air. I’m a college student. I’m thinking, why do you have your hand up? Do you have a question? You have a song sheet. Just look at your song sheet. I was getting nervous. And I began to look down at the song sheet, and I read this one line in the song, Sid, that says, “When God looks at me, He doesn’t see me, He sees Jesus.” And I heard the Holy Spirit speak in that moment, “I can’t look at you. You need a covering.” And I turned to John and I said, “Is this true that God could ever look at me and not see me?” And he said, yes. John didn’t understand what that meant to me. John was a good Catholic boy who became saved. I was a bad person who desperately needed a savior. So we were walking around the campus and he began to unpack the Bible from Genesis to the Book of Revelation. I began to panic because I heard there was thing called a Rapture. I was worried he was going to disappear and I would never be able to get saved. And so I finally just interrupted him. I said, “I want to do this thing, this Christian thing. Whatever it is, I want to do it right now.” And he said, “Well okay, but I’m not done preaching.” And he put the fear of God in me, and I’m just like shaking. And so finally I was like compelled. I was like, we need to do this right now. And so I got born again, spirit-filled and healed on our first date. Because John said to me, “Now you’re saved.” And I said, “What does that mean? What do you mean saved?” He said, “It means your whole again, spirit, soul and body.” And I had not been whole, Sid, for a very long time. And when I heard about wholeness, I said, “So I can have cheese now?” He’s like, “What are you talking about?” I said, “You said ‘whole’.” I said, “I can’t have dairy products. I have lactose intolerance, I have IBS. I live in constant pain.” And he was like, okay God. He just grabbed my hand. He was 22, I was 21. We’re not in a church service, we’re on a college part bench, and he said, “Jesus, if you can save her, you can heal her.” And so I got born again, spirit filled and healed on the first day, and I thought, I might as well marry that guy.
SID: Now, that’s an ingenious way of proposing. But what do you feel when that was happening?
LISA: You know, nobody could tell me I wasn’t healed. You know what happened for me? I felt the warmth of love come into my very being and untie all the knots that had been there since I was 15. I just remember feeling a warmth and a presence of God, and I was just overwhelmed by his goodness, and that was it for me. I went back to my college dorm room, and I said, “Jesus, I need you to wait in the hall just a moment. I have some things I need to get out of this room.” And I went in, and I got out all the beer, I got out all the pornography, and I just threw it away, and I said, just come on in. And I spent all night looking through the Book of Paul, because John had said, Paul said this and Paul said that. And so I thought there was a Book of Paul. And I was, I don’t know, this is seriously what he had to work with. I had The Way Bible. I stood it on its head and I was like, help me open to the Book of Paul, and it opened up to Corinthians, “If any man be in Christ, behold, he is a new creation.” And I was like, God is talking to me! It was profound. It was amazing and I’m so thankful that my life changed.
SID: So she obviously marries John and has a family. She’s a stay at home mom.
LISA: I wanted to be in the background.
SID: Wants to, never saw a microphone she liked, wanted to be in the background as she just said. But one day she had the most vivid, the most profound vision of her life. Tell me about it.
LISA: So I went to bed one night, a large exhausted pregnant woman, and I found myself wide awake standing in front of a lioness. She was laying on her side on top of a platform of stone and on the front of the platform was the word “Numbers” and the Roman numerals XXIII. Sid, this lioness, she never moved, but I realized that she was actually more alive than me. I don’t know if anybody has, everybody is going to Heaven, but in Heaven, everything is prototype, and here it’s just shadow. It looked like her fir was combed gold. And I looked at this lioness and I felt like something inside of me was expanding. And when I felt like I actually couldn’t take anything more in, I heard a voice behind me say, “With the birth of this son, you will awaken a lioness.” And I began to shake, and I came fully awake, and it was morning time, and I was laying in my bed immersed in the presence of God thinking, what just happened? What just happened? Sid, I don’t wake fully. I take two to three hours to awake. But that particular morning, it was high alert. And when I felt like I could actually stretch my hand out, grab my NIV Bible, I opened it up to Numbers 23.
SID: Which was the Roman numeral you saw.
LISA: Roman numerals, yes. And this is what I read in verse 24: “These people rise up like a lioness. They rouse themselves like a lion that does not rest until devours its prey and drinks the blood of its victims.” I’m like, what in the world does it have to do with me? These are fierce words on fragile Bible pages. But see, the truth is, Sid, my husband had been pressing me. He had said, “It’s not right for you to be comfortable when other people are uncomfortable. It’s not right for you to be silent when so many girls in our youth group need you to be a mother to them.” And I would say, “Don’t you dare talk to me like I’m the congregation. I am your wife. You need to feel sorry for me. I have limits on my life.” And at that moment, God said, “No, actually I created you to be fearless. I created you to be free and if you can’t look around to find that, I’m going to give you a vision larger than anything you’ve seen for a fierce awakening.” And I did give birth to my fourth son, and I named him Arden Christopher, which means “fiery, determined anointed one”. And with his birth, my world began to open up. I began to try to reach—
SID: Hold that thought. The change that occurred in Lisa is wonderful. But I tell you that God wants that same change in your life. When we come back, I want to find out how Lisa’s life has changed and how it’s going to impact yours. Don’t go away.
SID: Now Brian Simmons was telling me at dinner last night about some revelations he got in translating the Bible about women. Tell me one.
BRIAN: Well there is a well-worn verse in the Bibles of many men that have used this verse and have hurt people because of possibly a mistranslation, and it’s Ephesians 5:22, “Wives submit yourselves unto your husband as unto the Lord.”
SID: That’s powerful.
BRIAN: That’s a pretty daunting command. But the Aramaic language, again, Jesus spoke in Aramaic. He taught it in Aramaic. The apostles taught in Aramaic as well. The Aramaic text is, “Wives be tenderly devoted to your husband as the church is tenderly devoted to Christ.”
SID: Big difference. Okay. How in the world did you get into the library room of Heaven? I want to go there.
BRIAN: Well you know, as believers in Christ, there’s only one entrance into the realm of the spirit, and that is the name of Yeshua, the name of Jesus Christ. We don’t work it up. We don’t get into an ecstatic state on our own. I was actually asleep and I was taken out of my body, and I was brought into this immense library room. I loved being there. And the Lord came up to me and he said, “Brian, I have brought you here to let you take any two books you want.” And I’m just walking around. But it didn’t take long before I saw a book that I knew I was to have and then soon I saw another book I knew I was to have. But you’ll never want me back on the show when I tell you what happened then.
BRIAN: Well I have to tell you the truth. I saw a third book and I knew the Lord told me I could only take two. And in Heaven, whatever you think is put out over the loud speaker, everyone hears it. Your thoughts are broadcasted. So here’s what I hear coming out of the loud speaker, and it’s my own thoughts, how can I steal this book. And then I said, oh, no, I’m shoplifting on God. I felt so ashamed. But I knew if I could take this book, there was this book, so, if I could just take this book back with me to the natural realm it would trigger awakening in all the nations of the earth. It would bring, it would make the name of Jesus famous in the world. But Jesus came to me and said, “Brian, I cannot let you take this book.” And he looked at me in the eyes with love that melted me and he said, “You are not ready for that book.” Then he promised that, “I will bring you back one day and I will give you that book.”
SID: What was the title?
BRIAN: Written on the cover of the book was John 22.
SID: But there’s only 21 chapters in John. What’s this 22?
BRIAN: Well John 22, go back to John 14:12 and you’ll see that there is a greater works generation. “The works that I do you will do even greater works than these.” I believe the John 22 generation will be a people that do the greater works of Jesus. They will not add to the scripture, and that’s a sealed book. But it is a book that is unfolding and the works of Jesus will be replicated by an entire generation of people that believe fully in the power of God.
SID: I want you to pray. We have less than a minute left.
BRIAN: I just want to pray for you and I have a prophetic word of knowledge. The Lord has shown me that there’s someone watching or perhaps even in the studio that had Crohn’s disease. If you have Crohn’s disease I’m speaking to you. This is a word for you. The healing fire of God right now is coming upon you and will heal you of that disease. Father, I pray blessing upon each one watching, each one, Lord, that takes part in this program today, let the blessing of the awakening wind, let the breath, the rock of God, the awakening grace come upon every one watching today and make us the day breakers that will change this planet, in Jesus’ name. Amen.
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Sid: My guest by way of telephone is Dr. James Maloney Professor for Christ for the Nations in Dallas, Texas. I’m speaking to him at his home and he has a tremendous miracle ministry. I hope you were listening yesterday because some of these miracles like a pacemaker dissolving, having a word of knowledge knowing what’s wrong with a person. What about the person in California the woman whose teeth were rotten?
James: Well this was quite a few years ago Sid there was an usual manifestation of God’s presence in Palm Springs, California. And this lady was just scheduled to have virtually have her teeth just taken out and going to false teeth and she just came up and she said “I’ve got faith brother Jim you know that if you’ll pray for me the Lord will fill my teeth.” And it’s kind of humorous because she said I believe that it’s scriptural.” And I said “What do you mean?” She said “The Bible says open up your mouth wide and I’ll fill it.” (Laughing)
James: I don’t know how scriptural that is she’s probably taking it a little bit out of context.
Sid: Yes but if she believes it I believe that triggered her faith.
James: Yes and so I kind of laughed and said “Sister go for it.” And so overnight the Lord really truly did recreate her teeth and it was just wonderful.
Sid: Did a dentist every look at this woman?
James: Yeah she went back to her dentist her dentist there in Palm Springs area and he came out angry she told me. He came out angry and he said “You know who’s been working on your teeth; and said I’ve never used this type of material I don’t know of anyone that has this type of material.” It’s kind of humorous because you wanted to scrape some of it off and analyze it.” You know but it’s a great sign and wonder a wonderful sign and wonder.
Sid: How about the boy who was told he would never grow taller than a 6 year old.
James: Where do you get these Sid?
Sid: Oh I’m not going to reveal my trade secrets (Laughing).
James: This was in San Saba, California… San Saba, Texas excuse me in a very presidios Pentecostal church and it was again quite dramatic because this little boy Sid was stunted at birth and the Methodist brethren was kind of great because the Methodist Brethren were praying and believing asking that the service Thursday night would be the healing service that when we would pray for the little boy the little boy would grow to be normal. And so here was about a 3 year old boy that looked about 8 months a little under a year. I mean his growth was stunted and the parents said that he would not be normal. And because of his frailness and littleness there was a lot of infirmities in his body. And so I prayed and it was like you could almost hear an explosion Sid I’m not exaggerating. Everybody broke out cheering and laughing and some fell under the power and this and that and we just had a great time. But you know in the natural you didn’t see anything but about 5 months later the lady this precious lady, Mary’s her name as well Mary Brown. And she called me and she said “Brother Maloney it was really humorous she said “I’ve been trying to get in touch with you you’re a hard person to get in touch with,” because I was traveling at that time. She said “Do you remember that little boy that you prayed for 5 months ago.” And I said “Yeah” she said “The parents wanted me to ask you how do you turn it off?” “What do you mean turn it off?” She said “They buy him a pair of pants and he grows out of them in 3 days; buy him a shirt he grows out it 2 or 3 days he’s gone through 6, 7, 8 sizes changes of shoe sizes. He’s head and shoulders taller than all of the kids in his class and she repeated it “How do you turn it off?” And we just saw Mary in Brownwood, Texas Sid a few years ago and of course she’s very elderly now and she came up and she “Do you remember the little boy?” She laughs and she says “Well he was playing football as a team down here and he’s 6’ 4” and he weighs about 240 pounds.
Sid: And do you have any idea what the doctor say that said “He’d never be taller than a 6 year old?”
James: You know I don’t know doctors are unique people they really are I got great respect for them Sid, but sometimes you know people can have a tremendous miracle go to their doctor some are very open to them hey I’ll agree with that and some are just I don’t know.
Sid: Now when you were preaching outside of the West Bank there were a lot of militant people there and they literally were growling at you was that true?
James: Yes Sid I had some gentleman come into the meeting.
Sid: I’ve never had anyone growl at me.
James: You know I get all kinds of reactions around the world you know especially when you’re in deliverance of the Lord. You know the demons they don’t like what you teach and preach many times and so I was preaching and they were growling I mean they were trying to intimidate me and these were militant people, Islamic people and actually they were putting fear in me.
Sid: And actually it really was a life threatening situation.
James: It could have been it really could have been.
Sid: So were you fearful?
James: I felt this fear this spirit of fear rise up and hit me and so I stopped and I said “God what do I do in this?” And the Lord spoke to me and said “Well roar back because I’m the only true Lion of a tribe of Judah.” And so…
Sid: I love that, I love it.
James: And the Lord gave me a scripture in Ezekiel chapter 3 it says somewhere around 15 and through 26 “That when they stiffen their neck against you or set their forehead as a flint stone you stiffen your neck back.” So that’s what I did I just kind of got in their face and I just growled and I also said “I’m not going to be intimidated.”
Sid: Well did anyone ever tell you Jim that you have chutzpah, that’s a Hebrew word that means nerve?
Sid: I mean you’re growling back at these militants!
James: It made me angry Sid I just got angry you know I guess a holy indignation rose up because there were a lot of people there that were…
Sid: How did they react?
James: Well they just shocked look I mean a lot of them were Muslims you know they’d never you know heard the simple plan of salvation.
Sid: They’d never heard someone growl at them.
James: Oh it was kind of interesting because afterwards when I gave an alter call those 3 men came forward and gave their lives to Jesus. And a lot of the people that came that were Muslim gave their lives to Jesus and this is what they said to me they said “We know your God is real and that He’s real to you because of your boldness and your assurance and your confidence you know that you weren’t going to be intimidated at all.” And I thought my “God you know.”
Sid: Have you ever had your life supernaturally protected because I know that you minister in a lot of regions in the world with relatives.
James: Yeah, I was in a militant area of India where I was not permitted to preach and I had I called up 15 blind people. The Lord spoke to me and said “I’m going to heal them every one of them.” And so there was approximately 15 people, but I noticed that the 16th and the 17th person were also in the line. So I’m going down the line and I’m praying for them Sid and there wonderfully healed. I mean every blind person was getting healed perfectly made whole. And I’m feeling kind of proud I’m thinking well it’s because I fasted a lot you know I prayed you know and this extra fasting and prayers released this great authority.” But what I didn’t know was God was protecting my life because if the 15th and the 17th person were 2 Hindu priests. They told one another “That if one person’s not healed that shows us that his God is one that shows respect of persons and we’re going to knife him.” And they had these knives underneath their garments. Well by the time the 15th person was healed they shook and the knives dropped to the ground. And one of the priests ran off scared screaming, but the other one bowed he gave his life to Jesus. So the Lord really protected me in that situation you know.
Sid: You know Mishpochah one of the most important things that I’ve learned is for your faith to be supernaturally through the word activated before a man or woman that moves in the gifts of miracles lays hands on you it makes all of the difference in the world. And that’s why I’ve listed to 3 audio cassette series by his wife Joy Maloney. She really has a supernatural gift of teaching and I can tell you personally my faith by listening to this was supernaturally activated. Then right after you hear these 3 just brilliant teaching by Joy Maloney, Jim prays a prayer of faith for you for the miraculous. And I don’t believe that there’s any distance with God. Out of curiosity Jim if you have ever prayed for people over the radio or on television and gotten reports that they’d been healed?
James: Absolutely, yes we have gotten several reports. The times that I’ve been on TBN, Lester Sumerall programs and others. Handkerchiefs that we’re sent to us one particular lady in Washington State was paralyzed from the waist down I believe and she was raised up and there for prayer. And yeah God does it there’s no distance in the Spirit realm.
Sid: Well I have found that God has really anointed the voice because it’s spoken word and tomorrow’s broadcast I’m going to pray that you be activated in the gift of prophecy and of words of knowledge and I believe that they’ll be so many people healed…. Jim, I know it came from God, but when did the gift of prophecy I mean I saw you just one after another just prophesying. And by the way you don’t know this but I checked up behind you and I said “Does that make any sense?” And they said “Yeah.”
Sid: So I mean where did this gift come from it came from God but when did it start?
James: It started when I was in Bible school at “Christ for the Nations.”
Sid: Did someone lay hands on you out of curiosity and then it started or?
James: No not really but though I have to say that people have been dramatically and wonderfully used to help promote the gift of prophecy and word of knowledge and word of wisdom.
Sid: See most Prophets I meet are non-prophets they prophesy out of the flesh; it’s so wonderful when it’s the real gift.
James: Well God’s good and I mean I’ve been prophesying for over 27 years and people like Dr. Chuck Flynn and Dick Mills and many of the hearers will know them. They were instrumental in helping to release me, but I was about 18 when I gave my first word of prophecy and it was very specific to the young lady. And I think once I stepped out in tha initial word it just…
Sid: This week I’m speaking about the book of Esther because this week is Purim. And the megillah, or the scroll of Esther is read word for word in traditional synagogues throughout the world. What is far more important than that is this scroll of Esther I believe is the end time book to the church. If you want to understand what God’s doing in the last days you must read the book of Esther with spiritual understanding. And that’s why I wrote a book called “Time is Running Short.” The forward is by my friend Dr. Derrick Prince in which I take the book of Esther and weave teaching throughout that book to explain where we are in the last days. The job of the church in the last days and what God’s going to be doing with the Jewish people; how to communicate the gospel with Jewish people, and how to answer hard questions that Jewish who are asking; how to communicate with Christians that don’t understand God’s love for the Jew that are into something called Replacement Theology where they feel that the blessings promised to the Jewish people have been taken away from the Jews and given to the church. Let me tell you something God loves the physical Jew and His promises are without repentance in other words He doesn’t change His mind. And if you can trust God’s promises to the physical Jews you can trust God’s promises to the Esthers that are grafted in the spiritual seed of Abraham. And the truth of the matter is every time you see a Jew you can say “Praise God God honors His word I’m so excited about God and the Bible and what He’s doing and the job He has for me, and the job He has for the Jew. We’re going to join arm and arm and hand and hand and we’re going to run this race and no one’s going to stop us!” Because we’re getting ready for a great Jewish wedding! And you’re invited you have an engraved invitation.
Please don’t be like the foolish virgins in the Bible, be like the wise. You see the wise soaked in oil, the foolish frittered away their time and then when it was time for the wedding the shofar blasted and the Bridegroom was there, the wise could see where they were going they weren’t walking like blind people because their spirit man had been developed. But the foolish says “Give us some of your oil so that we can get in on that wedding.” And the truth of the matter is even though the wise had more than they needed and it was flowing out of them they couldn’t do it because each person must have their own intimacy with God. So don’t be foolish be wise.
It says in the book of Esther is that the preparation for one of virgins to go to the king consisted of this. “Six months they were supposed to soak in oil of myrrh.” And some of you have been soaking in oil of myrrh a lot more than 6 months. Because let me tell you what happens to the myrrh plant it is bitter you bite into one, it’s bitter! But if you get deep enough it’s sweet in the center and that’s true about us humans. When we can get rid of walking in this kingdom and in the flesh and walk in the word of God in the Spirit of God in the kingdom of God and be like a little child would smell like Jesus like Yeshua. As a matter of fact after that 6 months of crushing and many of us have been in a whole lot more than 6 months it’s a shame us humans are so tough, we got to soak. And so after we’ve been soaking in this oil of myrrh then we soak for 6 months in perfume; can you imagine how we smell because we’re getting ready for a great Jewish wedding.
Now speaking of a Jewish wedding and speaking of women I want to talk about a women in the book of Esther that doesn’t get a enough credit. Now she gets credit but credit was from the kingdom of the world not the Kingdom of God. Her name was Zeresh, she was Haman’s wife. There are 2 bits of wisdom that she give Haman one is right the other is wrong. Let’s talk about the wrong one. In Esther chapter 5 verse 14 Zeresh which was Haman’s wife said “I want you to build a gallows to hang Mordechai on and make this gallows so big everyone is going to see it 75’ tall.” That is a high gallows and here’s the bit of good advice she gave him after the story on gallows she said in Esther 5:13 “If Mordechai is a Jew you will not prevail.” So what happened? Of course Mordechai was a Jew so you know what it says in the Living Bible in Zachariah “He that touches Israel is the same as someone that pokes their finger in God’s eye.” So Zeresh understood this but it was a little too late; good advice, bad timing; she should have reversed the advice. She should have said “Haman you stay away from Mordechai because if you touch Mordechai God’s going to get you.” That’s what you should have said first; instead she said “Build the gallows” and she walked right into the law of sowing and reaping. In other words she wanted Mordechai to swing from the gallows instead her own husband Haman died on those gallows. Not only that her 10 sons were destroyed.
When you go against the Jew in Israel and God’s destiny and God’s plan you’re going against God. And as Zechariah says “He that touches Israel is the same as someone,” and this in the Living Bible translation “Pokes their finger in God’s eye.” Ten thousand talents of silver that’s what Haman offered the King to destroy all of the Jewish people. What price will the United States pay, will oil cause the United States to turn anti-Israel? I believe that God has the greatest future for the United States of America, but if you want a preview of the United States future watch the way President Bush handles the Jew in Israel. Pray for President Bush he is a man, I believe, that loves God. Pray that he be a man that has a heart like David a heart after God. Pray that he’d be tender to God’s Spirit.
I believe that our greatest years are ahead of us or a disaster for this country. The United States of America is in the balance of one point and one point only found in Matthew 25 verse 40. Jesus said “As you’ve done unto the least of these my brethren from the womb (the Jewish people) you’ve done unto me and the fate of nations contingent on it. It’s all summarized in the book of Esther in the last chapter the 10th chapter, the third verse the last verse. “For Mordechai the Jew was second to the king and was great among the Jews and well received by the multitude of his brethren.” Why was he so great why did he have all of this honor from God? For 2 things, 2 things that you can do, 2 things that you must do, 2 things that I can do, 2 things that I must do. Number 1 because he was seeking the good of his people (That’s the Jewish people.) So Number 1: He was pro-Jewish people in Israel. Number 2: He was speaking peace to all of his countrymen. When you speak peace you speak the Sar-Shalom the Prince of Peace Jesus. So what are the 2 things that we must do? Number 1: Be a blessing to Israel. And Number 2: Speak about Jesus wherever you go. I mean I am so madly in love with my Messiah He’s so good to me. You know what He loves you as much as He loves me. But this is our Purim week and as a result I got to do what the scripture say. Now the scripture say that you are supposed to send presents to one another and give gifts to people that need things.
SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome, welcome to my world, where it’s naturally supernatural. I love it! I wouldn’t want to change one iota of living in the supernatural. My guest went to a spirit-filled church, a young man, and he saw such excess, so he left and he said, “I’m going to an evangelical church where everything is biblical.” And he went to it and he saw such dryness. He saw no miracles, but even in the spirit-filled church he only saw a few miracles. So he got…have you ever heard of someone getting burned out? He got burned out. But then he prayed to God and he said, “God, there’s gotta be an answer! I need a breakthrough in my life!” And God spoke to him and he had a breakthrough. How many of you want to find the revelation for breakthrough? Someone was just healed of a neck problem. Test it; you’ll see. Larry Sparks, at age 16, became a believer in the Messiah, but something transformed his life. He went to a dynamic congregation that worshiped God, but he got something he really didn’t expect. What happened?
LARRY: I was 16 and I drove to this church, and I remember at the time, God was really inciting a hunger inside of me for Him, and I went, and at the time, you know, they were doing praise and worship music. They had drums and guitars, all this stuff going, and the music was a little bizarre. People were clapping their hands and raising their hands, and for me it was so strange, but the teaching so resonated with me. I wanted to know about God, who God was, and I would actually skip the music sometimes. I just didn’t want to have anything to do with it. And then one Saturday night, July of 1999, I went to the church. The music was going on, and I was standing there and just without any warning God showed up. He touched me. I literally felt in my chest, like, a heat, like a burning, and then in my hands an electricity, like, a sud[den]…I didn’t need faith to feel it. It was real; it was a real experience, and I thought to myself, this God who I learned about going to school…I went to a Christian school, I had a Christian upbringing, and I learned information about God, but that day God made Himself real to me, and it was a subtle encounter but it was so supernatural and I’ve actually been living out of that encounter ever since then. He showed He was real.
SID: Okay, Larry, so, you go to a nice…now, you get kind of used to the raising of the hands…
SID: …and the worship, and you go to this nice spirit-filled church and you loved it, but after a while there were things that began to bother you, because you’re kind of a theologian-type and things have to be in the Word. What was bothering you?
LARRY: Well, God was turned into a formula. God, the God who I experienced as a person, the God who touched me and I felt the heat, felt the electricity, this church culture kind of turned Him into a formula where they went to the Bible and it was all about finding things in the Bible, where you could pray something and pray a promise just to get whatever you want, need or desire from God. It was amazing how much emphasis was placed, not just on getting money, but how God almost became like a vending machine, like Santa Claus, like, you gave him your list in prayer and you basically said, ‘God, give me this stuff.’
SID: I heard one person say, “Well, God is like Aladdin’s Lamp. You just rub it and you get anything you want.” I mean, what is this?
LARRY: Yeah. Well, what happened is, I left, kind of, this hyper-faith type of church and I ran in the opposite direction. I said to my…I remember me and my wife saying we don’t want to have anything to do with that kind of stuff. In fact, when we’d go to other kind of charismatic, spirit-filled churches and hear that same language, we’d run away screaming just because, it’s like, we don’t want that. So we went to other churches where there was a strong theology of the cross, of forgiveness of sin, of knowing that we’re right with God, of righteousness, and those things are necessary and I celebrate them, but what was not there was faith to see God do anything for us today. So they believed that you’d get healed, maybe. They believed you’d get a breakthrough, maybe, but ultimately if you don’t get it now it’s okay because you’ll get it when you get to heaven. So they prayed prayers like, ‘If it be Thy will. God’s will is mysterious. You never know what God’s gonna do. All you need to do is just trust Him and whatever happens will happen.’ And I just knew in my heart that just didn’t settle it for me. I knew there were certain things that the Bible said God will do, and if we stand on what He said, if we believe what He says, we can actually see those things happen, with confidence!
SID: So, he sees this one extreme; no intimacy with God, just [formulas]. He goes to the other extreme; just the rules, and he doesn’t know what to do. So what do you do when you don’t know what to do? You pray to God. That’s what you did! What happened?
LARRY: Yes. I said, “God, what does faith look like?” And the Lord had me on a journey of actually going through the Bible, going through the Gospels and looking at healing. I think the Lord really wanted to reignite a fire in my heart that I encountered when I was 16; know that He is real, and that what He said, He will do. So I went to the Bible. That’s what I did. I said, “God, what do You define faith as?” And then He took me to a story in the Gospels that changed everything for me. There was supernatural revelation and He gave me actually a definition, a picture, an actual picture of what true Bible faith looked like.
SID: When we come back, we are going to explain what God showed him about true Bible faith that will cause you to have a breakthrough of epic proportions.
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Sid: Now I have in the studio Pat Holliday from Jacksonville, Florida. I tell you this is way I like to see evangelism it’s supernatural evangelism. Pat found herself in Jerusalem, Israel and this is back in 1975 at a Katherine Kuhlman service and she started talking in unknown tongues to Jewish people. She speaks no words of Hebrew, but she spoke to them and they understood exactly what she said. They responded to her, she didn’t know what they were saying, and then she felt that she was supposed to lay hands on them and they all experienced encounters with the Spirit of Living God. She found out later that she actually told them to come to the Lord in tongues and if they wanted to let her lay hands on them. She laid hands on them and there was some 25 people, is that right Pat?
Pat: Yes, all men.
Sid: Twenty-five Jewish people. That’s the way that’s my kind of evangelism. But something else happened that was very interesting. You had been a very sickly person.
Sid: I guess being involved in the New Age that drains you really bad.
Pat: Oh it makes you really sick.
Sid: Before you had your deliverance and you became a child of God but still your body had a toll it paid a price. But you were at a Katherine Kuhlman service in Jerusalem and what happened to you?
Pat: Well I was standing out in the lobby I had given my seat up for the Jews because they require a sign. And I had seen her before.
Sid: Oh, there are a lot of Christians say “Oh God I want to miracle ministry,” they don’t know the reason. The reason they want a miracle ministry is to reach the Jew. The reason they want to reach the Jew is so the middle wall of separation comes down. There’s a dynamic Pat when a Christian, a gentile Christian and a Jew become one a body of Messiah it’s a chemistry, it’s a chemical equation. As the Book of Amos says “Then the rest of the Gentiles come in.” The devil trembles when Christian’s understand this fact. So you had given up your seat.
Pat: Yes, and 2 men came up to me and they said “We have a seat down front for you.” So they took me by the hand and led me there. I sat and the Spirit of the Lord came upon me and He took His two fingers put them on my eyes and it put me in a real light trance. I could still hear things around me but I was like totally submitted to the Lord. So the Lord told me He said “Pat, I’m going to heal your body today and I’m going to heal your husband when you go home and I’m going to save him.” He told me… when He said that it was like a bucket of oil was poured over me. And I just moved my neck all around and I felt like that tin man in the wizard of Oz when they oiled him up. And he said “Oh I can move” and he was dancing, and that’s the way I felt. And so of course when I got back home my husband was healed. And…
Sid: And what about you?
Pat: I was totally healed I’ve never been sick.
Pat: Yeah. I haven’t been to the doctor in 27 years Sid the Lord does it for me all the time. How can I come and tell you that Jesus can heal you if I can’t believe that for me you see? Doesn’t mean I don’t get under attack because sometimes I do you know but from that moment is when the Lord started bringing the Jews to me and they would receive the baptism. But when I got back home Sid my family thought I’d had a face lift because when the Lord wiped His hands across my eyes it took every wrinkle out, every wrinkle. And then Parson Carson even thought I’d had a face lift.
Sid: It sounds a lot better than a face lift to me.
Pat: Yeah, oh yeah and I said “It’s time Lord for you to do it again.”
Pat: And I don’t think I don’t I don’t think I have a lot of wrinkles on my face anyway, but hello, hello. (Laughing)
Sid: No, no actually I’m not going to give away your age but how many years ago was that?
Pat: Thirty years ago.
Sid: But I’ll tell you what we’ve got several females in the engineering room right now and I can tell both of them are saying “I want a Holy Ghost face lift.” (Laughing)
Pat: (Laughing) a huh.
Sid: (Laughing) Oh, now they’re getting mad at me. I’m going to get into big trouble.
Pat: Your getting worldly, but anyway when I came back home I was attending this little prayer meeting and people just started coming in and getting healed. And I’ve seen the Lord do so many miracles. Miracles to me is normal, that’s normal Christianity.
Sid: Okay, I’ve got in my notes the most wonderful story. His name if I can say it his first name is Kevin.
Sid: And he had AIDS. Now that’s a death sentence when you have AIDS. If you have HIV it may or may not develop but if you have full blown AIDS that’s a death sentence. What happened to Kevin?
Pat: Kevin was in the Intensive Care Room and Marilyn his mother the doctor told her said “Let’s just turn the machines off he’s going to die. She said “Let me pray,” she prayed. And then she called the lady over in Orange Park Ronnie Bowater. And she said “Get to Pat Holliday the Lord will heal him.” She brought him over to the church and he could hardly breathe he was right off of the intensive care. And so when I laid hands on him first Sid I cast the devil of AIDS out. And I know that a lot of people are not going to believe that but it is a spirit. Then I laid my hands on his lungs and prayed for healing. Well he went to the doctor and got clean paper, you know got healing paper. Then he went back out on the 18 wheeler truck that he’d been driving before within 6 months. Well he found a wife out on the road and married her and they produced a child called Clarissa. And Clarissa is 4 years so Kevin’s still alive so he’s…that was four years ago. And Clarissa, they brought her to the church and you know generational curses the sins of the father comes down on the children.
Sid: Oh, a lot of people are fighting what are known as familiar spirits that have been in generation after… have you noticed that if someone’s an alcoholic they have a father or a mother that was alcoholic and keep going back.
Pat: Hmm hm.
Sid: Those are those familiar spirits that passed on from generation to generation.
Pat: Well they brought Clarissa to me when she was maybe 6 weeks old and I just laid my hand on her and I commanded the spirit of AIDS to leave that child. And you know Sid that girl had manifestations just like an adult person getting deliverance. Her face twisted, her little arms stretched out, her little body was moving all around thrashing. That child coughed a few times and she’s been healed ever since. That little child is a joy to her grandmother I can tell you that.
Sid: Pat you told me about this fellow who was alcoholic he had this gigantic beer belly, he fell down and he had to be hospitalized. What happened to him?
Pat: Well I went over the intensive care, well the operation. The doctor came out and said he had burst his bladder. He said he had never seen anybody live from that. And he said “We tried to sew it up and we glued it.” So I went over every day for about a week praying for him.
Sid: Well that doesn’t sound too permanent gluing a bladder.
Pat: Well Jesus has got a glue too. (Laughing) because he’s still alive that’s been 4 years ago or longer. And he’s still alive.
Sid: Pat when you pray for someone that needs a physical healing do you pray by faith primarily, or do you pray just for people that God tells you to pray for?
Pat: Well miracles to me is normal, healing is normal to me I just believe God can do it. Then too Sid there’s something called a gift of faith. All of us have faith to heal the sick but there is a gift of faith. That gift is God faith and I’ve prayed for people actually that I didn’t believe could be healed.
Sid: You know Pat in Mark 11:22 in most Bibles it says “Have faith in God.” But in the Greek it says “Have the faith of God.” And that’s what you’re talking about.
Pat: But you know Sid in prayer lines throughout the years people have come up to be healed and I would look at them and my mind would say “Everybody’s going to get healed but you.” I remember down in St. Augustine a man came through the prayer line and he had rheumatoid arthritis and his knees had drooped over until they were about touching the floor. And he drug himself up to me and I looked at him and that’s the thought “This is too much for God.” Well you know what happened.
Sid: What’s that?
Pat: He got healed, his bones straightened out.
Sid: So your telling me it wasn’t your faith at all it had to be God’s faith. That’s my kind of faith, I don’t want faith in God I got that. Lots of people have faith in God, I want the faith of God.