Sid: How about you? I mean you think you’re being anonymous you think no one knows about you? Well God says “I have every hair on your head numbered” and I believe that you are one of God’s choicest vessels of all the generations to be alive. God has called you to His kingdom for such a time as this and if you want a real understanding of where we’re at and why it’s so important, why there’s such a war for the supernatural blindness and separation between Jews and Christians. But God’s doing something and you want to be on God’s side. You don’t want to be a goat nation, you don’t want to be on the side that God says “I’ll curse those who curse the Jewish people.” You want to be on the side where God says “I’ll bless those who bless the Jewish people.”
Turn to John chapter 17 starting in verse 20 and this is the Messiah’s prayer most of us are familiar with but let’s look at it in a different way. The Messiah prayed “I do not pray for these alone” He was praying for the Jewish people that were with Him at that time. He says “I do not pray for these alone but also for those who will believe in Me through their word.” So He’s praying for those who will believe in the report of the Jewish people of the Jewish prophets based on the Jewish scriptures about the blood of the Jewish Messiah, the Gentiles. So who is the Messiah praying for? The whole world Jews and Gentiles.
Now John 17 verse 21 here’s what His prayer is “That they all may be one as you Father are in Me and I in You that they.” Who’s they? Jews and Gentiles. “Well I’ve heard people say it’s Baptist and Presbyterians, and Pentecostals, and Catholics.” No for sure not. Why? None of them existed when the Messiah prayed this prayer there was only 2 people groups at that time Jews and Gentiles. My goodness you need help to get confused on that. So Yeshua prayed “That they all (that’s Jews and Gentiles) may be one.”
What will happen when Jews and Gentiles become one? I read to you the other day from Romans it say it’ll cause life from the dead when Jewish people are grafted back into their own olive tree. But this is what the Messiah says “When they become one.” The next verse verse 22 of John 17 “And the glory which you gave Me.” Imagine the glory that’s on the Messiah imagine how awesome that glory is it’s without measure. “The glory which you gave Me I have given them that they may be one just as We are one.” That glory is going to make us one but when we’re one that’s going to release the glory, the 2 go together. You want to see the same glory without measure that’s on the Messiah, on the church? All we have to do is believe the prayer of Messiah Yeshua “That they may be one.” Not only will the glory be released at that time.
Jump down to the 26th verse of the same chapter “And I have declared to them your name and will declare it. (This is what else is going to happen) That the love with which you love Me may be in them.” Do you want to see the kind of love that the Messiah had, the acceptance of Messiah had, the peace the Messiah had because of His relationship with God the Father? Would you like to see that type of relationship that you would have with God the Father? Would you like to see that kind of intimacy? Would you like to say like Messiah said “I only do what I see My heavenly Father doing. I only say what My heavenly Father says.” Would you like to have that type of union with God? Would you like to have a release of that kind of love? It’s all tied to the prayer of Messiah that they may be one. Who may be one? Jew and Gentile. One in who? One in Messiah, One New Man. I’ll tell you it’s so simple you need help to get confused on it.
In Malachi the 4th chapter the 6th verse this is very important. You realize this is the last book of the Christian Bible Old Testament. You also realize that the New Testament that we treasure was not available for the first church, it was even penned till about 50 AD. So what happened for those 20 years from 30 till 50 when they refer to the scriptures? They are not referring to the New Testament they are referring to the Jewish scriptures. So what’s the last book of the Christian Old testament? The book of Malachi 4th chapter 6th verse must have been very important. The last word God chose for the Gentiles to read and “He will turn the hearts of the fathers to the children and the hearts of the children to their fathers lest I come and strike the earth with a curse.” Well I believe this is talking about literal fathers and literal children but the book of Romans the 9th chapter tells us there’s a spiritual application to the word fathers. It says “We owe a debt of gratitude to the Jewish people because of them is the fathers, of them is the glory.”
You see when the Jew and the Gentile become one we get that Old Covenant glory combined with that New Covenant glory and devil watch out your days are numbered. God says it even stronger than that, He says here in Malachi “That unless the hearts of the fathers (the Jewish people).” Well if the fathers are the Jewish people who are the children? The Christians. “Unless the hearts of the Jewish people are turned to the Christians, and the hearts of the Christians are turned to the Jewish people I’m going to strike this earth with a curse.” Sound familiar? Sound like the 5th commandment? Honor your mother and father so your life will be long. In other words there’s a curse if Jews and Christians don’t get together, and there is a blessing long life life of God if the 2 get together.
See how important this is? This is why I wrote my new book because I believe it’s a forerunner of the greatest move of God’s Spirit in history. It’s called “The Last Lap.” You know one of my earlier books was called “There Must Be Something More.” I remember as a college student, Jewish not knowing the Messiah. I used to write music and songs and one of my songs was “There Must Be Something More.” The words went something like this:
Because I work eat sleep and that’s the way it goes.
Because I work eat sleep and that’s the way it goes.
There MUST be something more.
My heart was crying out I knew there was something more. Then when I became a believer in the Messiah I recognized what that something more was. It’s knowing the Messiah, but in my heart that song is ringing even louder than ever before. Yes I’m at peace in knowing the Messiah, but (crying out) Oh God I know that there’s something more in intimacy, there’s something more in the miraculous, there’s something more in loving God with all of my heart that I’m capable of, there’s something more in loving my brother as I love myself and I’m capable of! God unless you make that move on me, unless you allow me to have greater intimacy then I can’t do it! I can will it! I can want it but oh God I need you to cause the miracle!
I believe the book that I’ve written “The Last Lap” subtitled “The Emergence of the One New Man” is going to be the teaching catalyst. I’m not the only one that has this teaching. It’s rearing up all over the world right now. I hear people in Israel talking about this, people in Russia, people in the United States, people in England all over the world people are talking about the emergence of the One New Man.
Let me read to you a few of the questions I deal with in this book. Why are there so few miracles in the church today? And this is a biggy, how has Christianity deviated from the Biblical pattern? Should Christians observe the Saturday Sabbath? Why do Jews distrust Christians? What is the “Rabbinic Conspiracy?” Who is Israel? What will the glorious church look like? What is the future for Messianic Judaism and Christianity? What will the catalyst be to release the greatest and last revival on planet earth? What is the glorious congregation going to look like?
I was in Boone, North Carolina a few weeks ago and I went into a Christian bookstore and started to… I got a book on intimacy with God and so the person selling it to me started a conversation and said “Oh this is a wonderful book.” I said “What church do you go to?” They said “Well we used to go to so and so church and it’s not because they were doing anything wrong but we just stopped going. We just have such a hunger for an intimacy with God. It wasn’t that this church was doing anything bad but it was same old same old and God didn’t have to show up and no one would even know.” They didn’t say that but that was the implication so they started a house group, and you know the first church started in house groups. I am finding this happening all over the world. There are so many good Christians that aren’t even in the church today because they can’t put their finger on it but it’s just… I can put my finger on it. It’s religion, it’s tradition at its stinkiest but I believe this satisfaction is a Godly dissatisfaction and it’s going to result in the birth in a movement of the greatest move of God’s Spirit in history when the latter rain and the former rain start coming down together one. When Jew and Christian are coming together, when the middle wall of separation is broken down it’s not going to be a Messianic Jewish synagogue and a Gentile church coming together for picnics. Oh no! God has something bigger something so much bigger planned. You see He’s going to… remember I said earlier the Jew looks at the Christian and says “I don’t see anything Jewish that you have.” The Christian looks at the Jew and says “I don’t see anything Christian that you have.” Oi vey how can there be such an oxymoron? I mean Christianity is Jewish! The 2 are one the 2 are meant to be one it’s like two halves that have to be put together to see the whole.
I tell you we are in the phase right now in which that middle wall of separation is coming down between Jew and Gentile. It’s the last lap and God has reserved His champion to run that last lap, and it’s not the Messianic Jew, and it’s not the Gentile Christian but it’s the 2 arm and arm. His champion running… it looks like we’re behind but when they get in that relay race that last lap is made up of a Jew and Christian holding hands running together a prayer shawl, a tallit around them, running around the track and all the other teams are wondering “Who was that masked man? Oh they’re fast my goodness they’re making me look I’m running in slow motion.” Well God’s in a hurry. Yes God is in a hurry for the greatest outpouring of God’s Spirit.
Sid: Sid Roth here with Larry Sparks and Larry this vision it really impressed me that God gave you of those ancient rusty gates that were blocking things tell me about it.
Larry: It’s interesting it’s one of those areas in my life where at the time it was like the supernatural and the theological collided. I was at a revival meeting it was the Bay of the Holy Spirit it was Nathan Morris was the Evangelist ministering and it was a movement that came out of Pastor John Kilpatrick’s church in Mobile, Alabama. Pastor Kilpatrick the Pastor of the Brownsville Revival so God was doing something powerful in their midst they were in Orlando, Florida. I came because I was just hungry, I do whatever I can to connect myself with the legitimate move of the Holy Spirit and I encourage people if you feel dry and weary and your faith is waning and you want that fire back in your faith one of the best things that you can possible do is to expose yourself to the move of God is to connect with what God is doing. That’s what I did I went to this Revival Meeting and at the end we were just having altar time I’ll never forget Lidia Stanley the Worship Leader started to play a prophetic song and over and over again she started singing “Open up the gates, open up the doors.” And I remember rushing to the altar it’s one of those things where Sid my mind didn’t know what was happening but my spirit knew that God wanted to release something I didn’t quite know what it was but I ran up to the altar and I was just hungry and I was just kneeling down. It was a vision of the mind where I saw as we were singing this the atmosphere of hunger crying out “God open up the gates.” I had this vision of the mind where I saw these ancient rusty gates and when I explain gates it’s like they have bars down the middle and so it’s not a complete door it’s a gate that something can get through through the bars but in a limited quantity. And I felt this as I saw this the Lord spoke to me and said “Over you know…My Spirit has not been withdrawn from the earth.” Now sometimes even in Charismatic circles we think “Well there was the Book of Acts and then there’s a kind of silent time and then there’s Azusa Street happen.” But His Spirit really one thing I learned His Spirit has not been withdrawn from the earth and it’s so important to recognize that because throughout history there has been a remnant there have been people in every generation pressing in for the fullness of God. And what I saw in this vision is that throughout this century there has been a measure of activity of supernatural activity released from heaven into the earth through these like small holes in the gates. But as time is progressing toward the end as we’re entering really the last and great harvest and that there…Sid I know that you connect with a lot of people I think that by enlarge there is this atmosphere of just corporate hunger perhaps more than ever before. I just see it there’s communities rising up training people in the supernatural, more and more becoming theologically recognized. There’s theologians of the Holy Spirit I’m seeing something amazing. And in that vision what I saw was as this just cry of anger went up in great desperation I saw the gates actually lifting so that no longer was there just a restricted flow of the supernatural coming in through these holes in the bars but actually the entire gate was going up and there was just an unrestricted measure of the presence and power of God, gifts of the Spirit being released through that open gate. It was amazing I believe that is the season that we’re entering into and like I said the key was as I saw the gate lifted up it was like the gate was controlled not by God’s sovereignty but by the hunger and the cries of the people who wanted more.
Sid: Now you talk in your book about bad stewardship of the supernatural explain what you mean.
Sid: And that’s been restricting things in the past.
Larry: Yes, yes and even again sometimes in communities where we believe in the gifts of the Holy Spirit where we believe in the power of God we have a stewardship. And one thing we need to recognize is what we received 2000 years ago God gave us a precious gift He gave us His Son He gave us the Messiah. The wonderful thing is Jesus the Messiah came to yes get us into heaven He forgave us of our sins and cleaned us with His blood but He also made a provision for us to have something on earth. He cleansed us so that we could be people fit so that we could be inhabited by God to be fit to become the temple of God in the earth. So when I talk about stewardship of the supernatural every single Christian, every single genuine believer in Jesus has received the Holy Spirit. I don’t believe there is an upgrade of the Holy Spirit 2.0 type of thing however, however what are we doing with Him. How…what are we doing with His presence in our life? How are we drawling close to Him? Are we developing and cultivating friendship and intimacy with Him and do we recognize the precious gift that God has given us? Because I believe as we do, as we simply learn to do life living filled with the Holy Spirit everything changes.
Sid: Okay but what do you mean by stewarding? We have not been good stewards, what do you mean by that?
Larry: It’s recognizing the Holy Spirit has actually given us the ability to do there is the Person that God’s put inside of us and the Holy Spirit has given every single believer the ability to walk in the supernatural. I mean Jesus said it very clearly I believe it’s in Matthew 10 when He sent out the disciples He sent them on a mission He said “Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, cast out demons freely you have received, freely you’ve received now freely give.” We’ve received the same Spirit that raised Jesus from the dead and there’s nothing that’s impossible for Him to do. So stewardship of the Holy Spirit supernatural it’s recognizing what we received and responding appropriately. For example with faith when we get born again when we get saved it’s the Bible talks about “We receive a measure of faith.” Now do I believe that we should be constantly begging for more faith?” Now I don’t know if that’s the right language I do know that when we get saved we get a measure of faith this measure of faith is supernatural because it causes us…it enables us to believe that Jesus is the Messiah the Savior. It enables us to believe that one day we’re going to live with Him for heaven and it enables us to believe that actually the Holy Spirit comes to live inside of us. My thing is that if we’re able to believe all of those things because of this faith that we received why is it that we’re not putting that faith to work for other things like healing, and deliverance and living what the Bible defines as normal. And that’s the thing, what we’re doing is the Bible is our standard and we’re living beneath the standard and we need to actually raise our experience and our lifestyles back up to the standard and press in for that.
Sid: You know I often wonder I hear many believers say “Oh I don’t have enough faith.” What would you say to them?
Larry: God says “You have enough faith.” God says the word of God says “You have received a measure of faith.” You have faith that can get you to heaven, and you have faith that can raise the dead. So the reality is that we have been given all of the faith we’re going to ever receive. Now we can work it out, we work out faith just like we work out our natural muscles when we go to the gym. When we go to the gym we don’t get new muscles we work out what’s already on the inside of us and that’s what’s going to happen I believe as you take some of these practical keys and apply them whether it’s testimony, or declaring the word of God, or spending time in the presence of God. There are practical things that I believe are going to build your faith just like we build our muscles in the gym.
Sid: You talk about the need for hope in our society we sure have a need amplify on that.
Larry: Yeah, again we’re inundated with hopelessness and I believe that there are some very practical things that we can do to just start stirring up hope inside of us.
We need to know that God is able and willing. Really that’s one of the birth places for hope in us. A lot of us sing about how God is able, we know that God is able we have a Bible filled with all of the things that show God’s ability. He split the sea, He walked through the fiery furnace, He’s done so many things He’s demonstrated His ability. But there are so many people that don’t have hope because they had not married God’s ability with His willingness. So I encourage you the God who is able is also willing. And when you know that that stirs up hope, it give you hope it not only God can do this but He wants to. So you got to know that God is able and willing.
Another thing is just spend time in the word of God and look for new possibilities. If you’re sick look for the possibilities of healing they actually release and ignite hope inside of you if you are oppressed, if you are tormented, if you are dealing with fear and anxiety look for Bible promises in the scripture that deal with fear and anxiety and worry. What does that do? It gives you new option.
Sid: Alright what would you say to the person that feels “I see God doing that for others but you don’t know my past I am totally unworthy.”
Larry: Well the wonderful thing is you may feel like you have run a million miles away from God, and I’m sure that there are people that are listening that feel that way. You may feel like listen you don’t know my past, you don’t know my present, you don’t know what I’m dealing with now, you don’t know what I’m struggling with you don’t know the sin I’m in I’ve run so far away from God. But the good news is God has run towards you you can’t run the million miles back to God but the good news is He has run those million miles towards you. And what we just simply need to do is turn make about face whatever your struggling with, whatever you’re dealing with whatever the past the devil want to have that over you like a constant rain cloud. So all you’re focused on are your mistakes and your failures and your sins. Here’s what I encourage you to do “Repent.” What does that mean “To do an about face.” You may be staring at all of the junk I encourage you right now to do that just by the power and the unction of the Holy Spirit just turn around from those things, turn away from sin and turn towards God. One of the definitions I love of repentance is Bill Johnson calls it a lifestyle of repentance is a lifestyle living face to face with God.” And the reality is we look upon Him because He is infinitely more glorious and beautiful and wonderful and loving than all of that junk. Because all of that junk tries to do all the sin, all of the mistakes it just tries to keep us restrained and held back. So you are not beyond God’s help, you are not beyond God intervention, you are not beyond a miracle I just encourage you turn and face Him. See Him for how good He truly is. The Bible says “I lift up my eyes to the hills; where does my help come from, it comes from the Lord who made heaven and earth.” Even as we talk right now Sid I feel like the Holy Spirit is touching people people like you just described “I’m just unworthy, I’m just unclean.” But the Holy Spirit’s touching them and it’s almost like I see Him taking their chin and they may have had their face and head down in disgust and shame and the Holy Spirit’s just lifting it, lifting it, lifting up their eyes to see God in His mercy and His grace. Turning their eyes from sin walking towards Him and He’s a faithful God He will never let you down.
Sid: Now you have a big problem with people that pray “Lord if it be your will.” Well they feel pretty humble when they pray that way but what would you say?
Larry: It sounds spiritual, it sounds theological, I’ve heard it and there is…there are times to pray if it be Thy will when it comes to making a decision in life you know when it comes to taking a job moving to a certain city. There are times you know we would call that a prayer of petition. But here’s the thing the Bible makes so many things just black and white. Randy Clark says “The things in the Bible I struggle with are not the complicated things they’re the simple ones.” And by struggle he meant “Those are the things I actually want to live it.” You know Jesus said like John 14:12 “The same works I have done you will do and greater works.” You know if you have faith the size of a mustard seed, the smallest faith you will say to this “Be removed cast into the sea and it shall be done.” These are pretty black and white scriptures; these are pretty black and white truth.” So I really believe that there are things in the Bible that are black and white very clear that there’s no if it be Thy will. There is no if it be Thy will when it comes to healing. When it comes to deliverance seeing people set free from demonic torment, from fear. Those are the…why do I say that, why can I say that with confidence because Jesus Christ was the expressed image of the invisible God. What does that mean? Everything that Jesus said, everything that Jesus did totally accurately revealed the will of God. And what Jesus did. And that’s why it’s so important for us to spend time in the gospels.
Sid: Can I do everything that Jesus did?
Larry: Yes, absolutely you absolutely can. It’s 100% legal and here’s the thing Jesus 100% God 100% man He’s our Messiah and He’s also our model for the Christian life. He showed us what it meant to live a life filled with the Holy Spirit. I don’t think that Jesus really needed out of necessity a baptism of the Holy Spirit but he got one. He was baptized by John the Baptist and so many of us are familiar with that story but Jesus was baptized in the water but He also received a baptism of the Holy Spirit. Why did He need it? No He was the Messiah God He was the Son of God, but He was from that moment what life could look like as a people as a people as men and women who are living filled with the Holy Spirit. He gave us a model and He gave us an example and that needs to be the standard.
Sid: You have some interesting quotes in your book I guess it came from your studying previous revivals, but one is A.W. Tozer wrote “The devil can handle me but can’t handle the one to whom I’m joined” comment.
Larry: Yes that’s the thing I see when it comes especially when it comes especially to spiritual warfare what I mean by that or when we are dealing with torment, when we are dealing with demonic, when we’re dealing with spiritual forces that are against us that Paul talks about in Ephesians. You know spiritual warfare and I see a lot of Christians today who are wrestling and fighting against a defeated devil. Is he out there still? He absolutely is and he works to try to deceive us and one of the main things that he want to deceive us is out of believing is that believing that the one that lives inside of us is actually greater than the one who is in the world and that that’s the devil. And you know what and this is just some good news for those of you who feel like you’re in spiritual conflict. Keep persevering, fight from victory not for victory because you already have victory in Jesus and the reality is the devil is not the opposite of God. He’s not like God’s arch nemesis where you just never know if God’s going to win or the devils going to win it doesn’t work like that. The devil is actually a created being and Jesus made it possible for him to be stripped of authority. And now we will…Jesus has given us the ability to trample upon the powers of the enemy. So I just encourage people we are to…not go against the devil not to try to fight him in our own ability in our own resources just as people but as we come just as people filled with the Holy Spirit using the word of God he cannot handle that, he cannot handle the One living inside of us.
Sid: Do you need a breakthrough in your life? Of course you do well you’re about to have a breakthrough of epic proportions….When we come back I want Larry to tell about the things he’s working on his Masters studying revivals what a wonderful Masters degree he’s just about finished it but he has some nuggets that are life changing for you.
Sid RothComments Off on Our Guest Bob & Jayne Griffin
Sid: I have on the telephone Jayne Griffin wife of Bob Griffin I’m speaking to her at her home in New Boston, Michigan. Jane I understand a prophet kept telling you over and over again that you were supposed to be married, tell me about that.
Jayne: Yes I had met Bob and we were both in an Easter musical together and we became friends and he started calling me on the phone and prophesying to me we would talk for hours. He would prophesy to me that you have no idea how quickly your husband is coming you’re going to married by Christmas. And at this time it was September so I had no idea that it would be so soon, but the Lord had already spoken to me that Bob was to be my husband but the Lord hadn’t spoken to him yet.
Sid: And so here this guy is telling you that he knows that you’re supposed to be married and you know that you’re supposed to marry him, so when did the two of you figure out together.
Jayne: (Laughing) It’s interesting because the Lord called us on a 11 day fast and on the 10th day of the fast Bob said that he heard the Lord speak a word and said “Jayne is to be your helpmate.” And in his mind he thought “Wow I’m starting a church and she’s going to be a part of it.”
Jayne: She’s going to help me and then he had a vision of an umbrella in his hand and it opened up and I walked under it. And he said “That’s so cool he knows she’s going to be part of my church too you know.” He had no clue. So we go to celebrate the end of the 11day fast and he shares this with me. And I already know in my heart that we’re supposed to be together but you know I’ve been waiting for God to speak to him so he’s sharing it with me and I say “Do you know what that means?” And he looked at me and he said “No, do you know what it means I don’t know yet?” And I wasn’t going to say it you know I wanted God to speak to him. So he kept looking back and forth and he’d go I don’t know what it means and I would say “Well I don’t know what it means.” And all of a sudden you see the lightbulb in his head you see it in his face his whole countenance changed and he’s like “Oh okay.” He said “We got to get together tomorrow and pray.” So we got together the next day and prayed and the Lord said “This is your wife” and He gave us Genesis 12:19.” And we’re like “What does that mean?” So he looked it up and it said “Why do you call her your sister for she is your wife take her and go.”
Jayne: And then we got married on 12/19 which was only 5 weeks after the time we got together to pray.
Sid: Now you’ve been married how long?
Jayne: Nine and half years now.
Sid: And you have how many children?
Sid: And I understand your children are pretty prophetic too tell me what’s going on with them.
Jayne: Yes my oldest is Jasmine she’s 8 now, she started having dreams when she was 3 actually the Lord has been speaking to her a lot in dreams. So we get out a dream book, we encourage everyone to get out a dream book and write down what God is telling them and ask God how to interpret them. So we encourage her to share her dream and Bob would write the dream down. There was one time when she was 4 and she was going to this K-4 school it was a Baptist Church School and they had show and tell one day. So she said “Mommy I’m going to take my dream book and share what God is telling me.” So she gets to class and the Baptist teacher was just bawling when I got to class and she said “I was so blessed when Jasmine brought her dream book and God has been speaking to her.” So that was real exciting to see that.
Sid: Now one of your children literally saw an oppression that came on Bob.
Jayne: Yes that was Jasmine when she was 3 or 4. Bob was just really depressed at one point in his life and she walked into the bedroom where he was sleeping and he woke up talked to her. And she said “Daddy look at the dogs, make the dogs go away.” And he’s like “What honey what are you talking about?” And she said “No there’s dogs all around there.” And so I came down there and we prayed and commanded the spirits of oppression and depression to leave the house. And she said “Mommy, daddy the dogs are gone, the dogs are gone.” And we went through probably a couple of years after that she would tell me at the church she’d lean over and tell me “Mommy that has a dog following him.” (Laughing) So it’s just a lot of discernment there and our littlest just recently Bob went upstairs and she was crying in the middle of the night. Rachel was 3 and he picked her and said “It’s okay honey we’ll just pray.” And he prayed that Jesus would be in the room and all of the sudden she said “Move daddy look.” And she was like moving around his head and she said “Look daddy there’s an angel and there’s a little one too, there’s a big one and a little one.” And she said “That’s for me and for you.” It was really cute (Chuckling.)
Sid: Jayne before you married Bob did you move in the prophetic?
Jayne: I had lots of prophetic dreams where the Lord…I felt like I was really in intercession for a lot of things and a lot of people at churches and different people that I knew in my life that I was praying for at work and you know in the secular world. And I had dreams and visions back then and the Lord used me a lot and still does in the physical realm of healing.
Sid: Tell me the first time that God used you in that realm.
Jayne: Oh it was so exciting I was called to be a part of this prayer team and we prayed over these wheelchairs that had cancer and different illness. So I was praying over this one lady that was in a wheelchair that had cancer and the Lord just said “Demand the cancer spirit to leave her and ask her to stand up and walk.” And I did and I said “The Lord wants you to stand up and walk.” And she said “Okay and so she just grabbed my hand and she came right up and she said “I couldn’t do this before, I haven’t done this for 20 years!” So it was really exciting especially for my first time seeing that.
Sid: You tend to hear God’s voice really well, did this just all of a sudden start or is this something you cultivated.
Jayne: I really cultivated I was in a really good Bible believing church and home group and they really encouraged me. When I first got filled with the Holy Spirit I mean I’ve been saved all of my life I grew up in a Christian home but until I was baptized in the Holy Spirit when I was about 26 that’s when I really fell in love with Jesus. And I went to this church and this home group and they said “Okay I want everyone to pull out a pen and paper in your quiet time everyday and God wants to speak to you and next week I want you to bring it with you and share what God has spoken to you.” And so this really put the pressure on me “Oh wow I really want to do this and wow God really wants to speak to me?” And so I would pray in the Spirit for hours everyday and it’s like He would give me one word at a time and He would keep encouraging me and it just built up the faith in me and the hunger to want to keep searching after Him and finding out what He’s saying.
Sid: Jayne many times when you have words for people you actually know their first name; when did this start?
Jayne: Yeah when I’m praying for people this happens a lot actually. It even happened with Bob before we got married I was praying for him he had hurt his ankle I believe it was a ligament he had sprained it really really bad. The doctor said he’d be in rehab rehabilitation for 2 years; the Lord told him to go to the hospital I’m going to heal you. So that night he went to the hospital anyway and came home that night and had me come down there and pray for him. I laid my hands on his ankle and I prayed for his healing and the Lord said “He needs to forgive this certain person; He gave me the name.” And I think it was Mark at the time and “The Lord’s telling me you need to forgive Mark so that you can be healed.” So he said “Oh I didn’t know I was upset with him” and said “Okay let’s do that.” He asked God to forgive him and put forgiveness in Mark’s heart for him and the Lord told him to stand up. And so he stood up and he was totally and completely healed; he was running around the church. So He’s given me names when I’m praying for people even with facts. I have a lady just recently and I said “The Lord’s telling me to ask you who Sam is?” And she burst out crying. And I said, “The Lord’s wanting you to forgive Sam to receive your healing.” And she said “Okay.” And so she prayed and forgave and she said “My back doesn’t hurt anymore I can do this, I can do that.” And I mean that’s kind of how God uses me with names.
Sid: Any last thought Jane.
Jayne: I just want to encourage people to spend that quiet time that was a valuable, valuable word of wisdom that my home group leader gave me. Get out a pen and paper and spend time with God, write down what He’s telling you, right down your dreams, it’s very, very important to cultivate that relationship and keep it thriving.
Sid: My guest by way of telephone is Peter Gammons I’m speaking to him at his office at Orlando, Florida where’s Pastor of Cathedral of Faith and we’re finding out some fascinating things about this man of God. For instance, he was in Brazil and 45 deaf and dumb people were instantly healed during the week of meetings that he had. Forty-five deaf and dumb I mean this is unbelievable outside of God says “All things are possible to those that believe.” There are people that are listening to us right now Peter that have never seen a miracle. And I’m believing that before this week is through that you’re going to pray a prayer of faith and that people all over the world are going to be receiving miracles. On yesterdays broadcast you’re a young 17 year old, you went into a church and a man laid hands on you that was around Kathryn Kuhlman just before she died and Kathryn Kuhlman passed her anointing on to this man, what was his name “
Peter: His name was Ed Goev.
Sid: And what did he say to you and what did he do?
Peter: Well as I said we were in the middle of this meeting and when I was singing to God “To God the Glory for great things He’s done.” And suddenly he said “Stop.” And then he pointed at me and said “You boy come here!” I was terrified I thought I must have done something wrong and God had told him because I never heard of prophecy being positive. I had heard people talk about how God had exposed sins through prophecy and I couldn’t think of anything I had done so I thought “Oh Lord, what have I done?” And I came forward and he laid hands on me and he prophesied and said “You will take My healing message and My healing Power to the Lord.” And as I mentioned on yesterday’s program it was the same message that this woman had come up to me and said “Peter” and told me this message as I arrived at the meeting. And…
Sid: But what was going on inside of you when he laid hands on you?
Peter: Oh I just went down in the power of the Holy Spirit I kept trying to get up and going down again.
Sid: Has this ever happened to you before?
Peter: No it was almost unknown in Britain it had not been happening before and suddenly I was overwhelmed by this presence of God. People asked “What it’s like?” It’s like resting in the presence of God it’s the closest thing to heaven on earth. You see our bodies were designed for earth so when heaven touches earth sometimes it’s more than our bodies can contain and we’re just overwhelmed by the presence of God. I don’t use the term “Slain in the Spirit” which sounds an aggressive thing it’s a resting in the Spirit. What happened was that and I got up and went back to my seat at the end of the service this rather large gentleman came up to me and said “Would you pray for me to be filled with the Spirit?” So I’m looking for the preacher because I’m thinking “Well you know I can’t pray for him who am I you know.” And he said “Not him you you’re the one who got the prophecy.” So I touched him and as I touched him to pray for him he went down with the power of the Holy Spirit. And of course nobody was there to catch him and because he was so big he just knocked everybody flying it was like (imitating sound of explosion) had explosion everybody turned around and seeing me continuing my prayer with this big man laying on the floor. And that’s how God through me out into the ministry through that very day. I literally that day had people come up and say “Would you come and preach to our youth group, would you come and preach in our church? Would you come and minister at our home fellowship? (Laughing) the funniest one was do you have any Sunday’s free this year? And I said yeah “Just 52 of them.”
Peter: And that’s how God through me out into ministry through that very night in that very empowering with the Holy Spirit. And as I said this man received the anointing through Kathryn Kuhlman just before she died she prayed for him to receive the anointing.
Sid: Now at what point did miracles start when you began praying for people after that?
Peter: I think it was a meeting that followed on from that event I was invited to a home fellow in a place called Royston near Cambridge which was near where my home was. And there was a man there who had crutches and he was deaf. And in the service I prayed for him and he instantly heard in the services and I believe that that was the first notable miracle. I had prayed after this with friends and their stomach aches had been healed but nothing that’s significant but he didn’t walk. Then a week later they telephoned me and they said “You know that man you prayed for he’s thrown away his crutches and bought a bicycle.” And so that was really when miracles began to happen after that event. Another key event happened I ended up in full time ministry because so many invitations that were coming in as an evangelist and I read a book called “Healing on Mass” by Dr. TL Osborn and that transformed my life. Dr. Osborn became one of my closest friends later on but that’s a whole other story. But I read this book how he wasn’t just praying 1 for 1 for people like I had done in the past but that he would pray for a crowd of 1000’s of people then they’d all get healed at the same time in his crusades. And I’d been invited for 2 events one was a crusade in a little town called Huntingdon in England. We call it a small city in America and I also was invited for a crusade in Africa in Tanzania in a place called Korogwe. And so I was so excited and the local newspapers in Huntington called me and said “What is going to happen in your crusade in Huntington?” Thinking I was going to talk about nice little sermons I was going to preach. And I was just so on fire after reading this book by TL Osborn I said “The blind are going to see, the death are going to hear, the cripple are going to walk.” And when I said that the woman said “Oh, oh and of course never even reported what I reported that I totally blew her away with such wild claims at that time what was going to happen. And in reality it didn’t happen because they never came to the meeting. There was only about 10 or 20 people attended the service at that time. Then I went on to Africa I went on to Tanzania went with a missionary who was returning to he was moving back to England and he didn’t want to go alone so he took me with him and said he’d arrange for meetings if I’d go. And we went there and I held this meeting and as I arrived there in my freshly pressed safari suit that my mother had bought me I stood up to speak and there were Muslims in their distinctive Muslim gowns and all of these sick people in a crowd of people there. And I suddenly had a panic attack, I thought “Why should they believe me this little white guy turns up from England telling them they’ve got to leave their other religions and got to follow Jesus why should they believe me?” This doubt came into my heart and suddenly the answer rose up inside of me “Because it’s true because Jesus really is who the Bible says He is because He’s alive.” And without even thinking about it I said these words, “Mohammed is dead, Buddha is dead but Jesus is alive.” But it wasn’t politically correct but it’s what came out of my mouth. I said then “Jesus is alive,” and then I said “And He’s going to prove it by healing the sick.” I said “All of those that are with someone that is blind…all those that are blind come forward.” And what happened was the local blind…
Sid: You really stuck your neck out I mean “What if no one got healed?”
Peter: Well it’s just what happened I just said it.
Peter: I didn’t even think about what I was saying…
Sid: It was a mind bypass (Laughing.)
Peter: Yeah it was words of faith just rose up inside of me. And that’s been my convection why we need miracles in evangelism, why evangelism without miracles will never reach the world.
Sid: Well what happened at this meeting?
Peter: Well there was this blind man that was walking by behind. Now most of see more people in a day than these tribal people see in a lifetime, they live and marry and die in the same community. And you know it’s not a case that “I need to pray about who I’m going to marry there is probably only 5 choices so you go for the best of the 5 in these tribal communities. And so everybody knew this man and he’s been blind from birth and during his lifetime he’d heard about the mountains that were behind me there was a backdrop of beautiful mountains where I was preaching. And they grabbed him and brought him forward and when they brought him forward everyone else stop coming forward for prayer and it was like “Well if it doesn’t work for him we’re not going to bother.” And I prayed for him and I commanded his eyes to be opened in the name of Jesus and that’s why I’ve written this book that you’ll be mentioning later “The Powerful Name of Jesus.” Because it’s in Jesus name that miracles happen that’s where the power is not in me. And I command his eyes to be open in Jesus name and he began to jump up and down and shouted “I can see, I can see.” And then he began to describe the mountains which he’d only herd before but now he saw how beautiful they were. When that happened they started bringing other blind people forward. They brought forward this little lady and she had a veil over her face and when she took it back all there was was white eyeballs there was no color there at all she was totally blind. And as I prayed for her suddenly I saw color slowly begin to come and they began to get darker and darker until she had the most beautiful turquoise eyes and she could see. And then I said “I want those that are deaf to come forward and nobody came and I said “I know you’re here.” And somebody said to me “They can’t hear you that’s why they’re not coming forward.”
Peter: And then I said “I want those that are with somebody who’s deaf to bring them forward” and they brought them forward and I prayed for them. And then I said “Those that are crippled and lame I want someone to bring them forward” and then the people carried them forward. And this is the honest truth at the end of that crusade I went to the pastors and organizers and leaders and I said “Go out among the people and see if you can find anybody that has not been completely and instantly healed.” And they came back and they said “We could not find one person who had not been completely and instantly healed.” And so that’s how our ministry began and we’ve had nearly 30 years of preaching the gospel around the world. And to me I am more shocked when people are not healed then when they are healed. Somebody says “What’s it like when a deaf person hears or a blind person sees?” I’m more shocked if they’re not healed because I’ve just got used to miracles a daily part of life. In this past almost 30 years if I didn’t see an outstanding miracle every day I would not feel that I could go to bed at night I’m used to it. And I believe that that’s one of the things and one of the reasons why God sent us to America to minister just 2 or 3 years ago.
Sid: Peter I can understand that however there are many anointed men and women of God in America and we’re not seeing what you’re describing how come?
Peter: I think that the Body of Christ the Church needs to recognize that there are different gifts and everybody can’t do everything and I believe that this ministry that God’s given us has a place. And there are some people that has an anointing to get people out of wheelchairs, there are some people that have anointing for that and it’s only as the church acknowledges and utilizes the gifts that God’s given that God’s purpose will be fulfilled.
Sid: My guest right here in the studio is John McTernan we’re featuring his brand new book “Israel the Blessing or the Curse.” This book has information that every Christian and non-Christian in America should know because the non-Christians will become Christians and the Christians are going to be red hot for Jesus. I mean if this is not the most amazing thing John where you have proven that every single time, no exception, that the administration of the United States comes against Israel or the Jewish people in some anti-Semitic fashion, or against what God has covenanted within His word. Within 24 hours the first greatest natural disaster in history hit America; the second greatest disaster in history hit America and on and on and on one case after another. You even pointed out in your book that the 3 greatest natural disasters insurance wise came right after an anti-Israel stance by the United States.
John: Sid I’m looking at a copy of the Washington Post dated October 24, 2001 and this is first page business front page business section and it says “Putting a price on what if’s.” And they list you know for insurance wise how you know what do insurance do with great disasters? And it lists the first 3 disasters and I’ll show them to you…I’m showing them to you Sid. The first one insurance wise is Hurricane Andrew it’s about 20 billion dollars and that occurred exactly precisely as the Madrid Peace Process had been moved from Madrid, Spain to American soil while they were meeting on American soil in Washington, DC. Hurricane Andrew slammed into Florida as the first hurricane disaster America’s ever had.
Sid: And the Madrid Peace Process again is Israeli land for peace.
John: Yeah as we…as they were bargaining so to speak for the land of Israel for the United States our own land was suffering its own natural disaster. The second one was the Northridge Earthquake and that occurred within hours after President Clinton meeting with President Assad of Syria and in a very forceful tone telling Israel it had to give up the Golan Heights for peace. Now we discussed that kind of at length how dangerous that…first of all it’s covenant land that God gave to Israel. Second of all have dangerous militarily that would be for Israel to give up the Golan Heights for quote peace. And actually the greatest one was 9/11 and I’m showing you that there now. So the first one was 9/11 but that was not a natural disaster that was man made but none the less that’s the greatest disaster. The second one is Hurricane Andrew that was a natural disaster, the third is the Northridge earthquake which was natural disaster. And 9/11 came precisely as we had formulated our policies. The President of the United States formulated a policy that we were going to unilaterally we were going to tell Israel that we were recognizing a Palestinian State with East Jerusalem as the capitol and that we were going to put an Embassy there. Within 2 days of 9/11 we were going to notify the Saudi Arabian Ambassador so he could tell the other Muslim countries. And this was going to be announced at the United Nations on September 23 and of course 9/11 stopped us in our tracks. And the very terrorist that were attacking Israel and causing Israel to live in terror were now attacking the United States.
Sid: And the thing that is so amazing to me Mishpochah is John also shows in addition to this would have been enough but there are parallels there seems as though there is…it’s just like there is a spiritual bond between true Christians and Jews. There’s something supernatural. You tell me you don’t have a love for the Jew in Israel I think you better check out whether you have the blood of the greatest Jew that ever lived flowing through your veins Jesus. And if you don’t I suggest you get saved. But not only is there that spiritual linkage between true Christians and Jews there is a spiritual linkage between the United States and Israel. Every time something happens in Israel something happens in America, explain.
John: Sid this is really amazing but when you look we’ll go back to the year 2000 and you remember the Camp David meetings?
John: Where Arafat came and we tried to force Israel and the Palestinians into this agreement. And really I’m showing you the headlines here Sid it broke down over Jerusalem.
John: Those agreements failed over Jerusalem because the Palestinians wanted complete control of the Temple Mount and the Israelis would not give it and what happened was two months later in September rioting started in Israel over the Temple Mount as a matter of fact. And right now it’s known as the Al Aqsa intifada. And the Al Aqsa mosque on top of the temple Mount. Now Sid what happened was the Israeli government was destabilized as a result of this fighting. Barak who was the Prime Minister of Israel his government suffered what they call a vote of no confidence. And it’s a parliamentary type of government it’s a little hard for the Americans to understand but the government exists because it has a vote of confidence amongst its legislators. When it doesn’t have a vote of confidence it don’t have a government they have to call for elections. So the rioting destabilized the Israeli government; they had a vote of no confidence, they literally had no government although he functions as the head of the government. Now Sid if I would have told you coming in early 2000 that we wouldn’t have a president elect for 6 weeks because of the election process and that we were going to be destabilized and the election was going to go to the Supreme Court you would say to me “John this is bazaar we’ve got the most stable government in the world.”
Sid: Mashuga you’re crazy.
John: Right wouldn’t you say that?
John: Sid our government was destabilized almost the day to the Israeli government was destabilized. And see we were the ones that forced Israel into this meeting with Palestinians at Camp David.
Sid: There’s such a spiritual connection tell me another example.
John: Well well let me just finish that because I didn’t even finish that yet it gets even better because while the Israeli government was destabilized…
John: When they finally came and I want to show you these here these articles. While the Israel government became stabilized is when they agreed to have elections. Okay?
John: So here we go…
Sid: So it’s parallel after parallel.
John: Israel Prime Minister says he will resign December 10, 2000. Divided US court orders freeze on foreign account. A couple of days later the Supreme Court voted for George Bush and he became President. So the Israeli government was destabilized a couple of days later our government was destabilized. The Israeli government stabilized when they held elections and a couple of days later our government was stabilized and the Supreme Court ruled President Bush became you know the President elect. It almost to the day it was almost about maybe a week over lap on each end. Now who would ever think that the most stable democracy in the world would be destabilized like that but not only was it destabilized we were destabilized exactly during the time the Israeli government was destabilized.
Sid: Give me another example of the parallel.
John: Well starting at this point in September of 2000 right on Rosh Hashanah the intifada started and Israel was being subjected to horrific terrorism. Now there always has been terror incidents in Israel but horrific. I mean we could go example after examples of suicide bombers going into pizza parlors and going into disco techs and I mean just horrendous killings snipping and all of that. Well almost a year to the day because in Israel it started on September 28, 2000. On September 11th of 2001 the very same element of terrorists that were attacking Israel now are attacking the United States. We were under attack just like Israel was. And Sid it gets even deeper Jerusalem has become the center of these terrorist attacks in Israel. Jerusalem’s the Capitol of Israel; the United States became the center in New York. But the United States Washington became the center of the attack as one of those planes attacked the Pentagon. From what I understand it flew directly at the White House. They thought the plane was coming directly at the White House and it went and hit the Pentagon. So Israel’s Capitol Jerusalem is under attack by these terrorist and the United States Capitol Washington DC is under attack by virtually the same elements suicide terrorists, amazing Sid.
Sid: You know Mishpochah if this was all there was it would be amazing but just like every time the United States the administration comes against Israel within 24 hours there’s a tragedy in America. There parallels are over and over and over again. John your book “Israel the Blessing or the Curse” why in your heart of heart’s did you write this?
John: Sid I wrote that to in my heart to wake the church up to support Israel. And I also wrote it Sid because many Jews are ignorant of the covenant that they have how important the land is Sid. And I wrote that to encourage the nation of Israel to stand on that covenant in face of what we’re doing, in face of what the United Nations is doing in face of the world to stand on that covenant and have the God of Israel defend them. Also that the church would understand the importance of that covenant and stand beside the Jewish people.
Sid: You know I believe that this is going to be the churches greatest hour you know Paul says that there are literally spiritual scales on the eyes of Jewish people. I believe the acts of love by the church standing up bold for the Jewish people in Israel at this point are going to be equivalent to what Queen Esther did to spare the Jewish people and it’s going to release one of the greatest revivals the world has ever seen.
Sid: My guest by telephone Dr. Dell Sanchez unbelievable what we’ve been talking about this week. He has gathered a list of 6,000 Spanish names that have Jewish blood. Where did you get these names from Dell?
Dell: Oh, many of them were the compilation Sid from many resources, many archives and documents across the South Western states of the US.
Sid: Tell me one, tell me one place that you got it from?
Dell: One place, oh my goodness, one place was a University of Texas here in San Antonio.
Sid: How would they have it?
Dell: A very famous one is the archives that are especially put together in the University of Arizona in Tucson a tremendous collection there.
Sid: Now if someone reads this list that’s Spanish Hispanic the 6,000 names they were to find their name there what would the probability be that they do have Jewish blood and their ancestors were among those that fled the inquisitions in Mexico, or the US, or Spain?
Dell: Based on my research Sid and really being a careful observer of these matters there a high probability that they had Jewish blood particularly given the situation of their historical background where their grandparents were born, how they got over here to the New World from Spain.
Sid: Let’s pick up right there for a moment we were talking on yesterday’s broadcast about Columbus and 1492 but you have a very interesting history in which there were 3 very wealthy Spanish Jews that had a private meeting with the King and Queen just before the mandate that they leave by 1492. Tell me about that meeting.
Dell: Yes. There were 3 Sephardic extremely wealthy Jews, extremely noble Abrabanel, Santangel, and Sanchez. They were there trying to persuade and to bribe the King Ferdinand and the Queen Isabella not to go ahead with the expulsion decree that is of expelling the Jews from Spain. So they offered from this untold amount of money. Now a lot of people giggle when they say “Queen Isabella sold her jewels” to finance Christopher Columbus voyages when actually she sold her Jews, los Judios, the Jews. So these 3 Sephardic men were the ones that actually funded the voyages of Christopher Columbus.
Sid: So it was Jewish money that funded Columbus found the New World.
Sid: And he thought he found India and that’s why he called the inhabitants Indians a lot of people don’t know that that’s where Indians got their name.
Dell: Exactly, exactly. It was a providential act of God that God raised up if you will a man, a Gideon in that land that was in this case Columbus to be able to bus out of Spain wave after wave, after wave, after wave of Spanish speaking…
Sid: But these 3 wealthy Jews they really wanted royal decree that the Jews would not be expelled what did the King and Queen decide? Obviously they were expelled but what happened?
Dell: Good question because ease dropping behind the chamber door you know of this private meeting between King, Queen and these 3 wealthy Jews was Tomas De Torquemada, was the the Inquisitor General and he was the personal confessor of Queen Isabella like Católica, she’s known as Isabella the Catholic. When he heard that the King and Queen were going to ahead and go not expel the Jews from Spain, he dashes through the door waving his crucifix say now you know ranting and raving and you know saying “Now the blood of these Jews will be on your hands,” so they reneged instead of going ahead.
Sid: Did they take the money?
Dell: Yes they took and they went ahead and they still expelled the Jews Sid.
Sid: Huh. What a curse over a country to do something like that and the way you’ve explained the torture the Jews had in that country. You know it reminds me, and this might surprise you of Argentina and the reason it reminds me of Argentina, is Argentina has had the longest standing revival I think in history and yet the country is economically going under. So the pastors got together and they had a prayer meeting why is this happening in a country with such revival? And they don’t know well I know, I know because Argentina took in a lot of money, it was called gold teeth and where did they get this gold? From the Nazis that they were harboring and that’s why that curse has hit Argentina. But what I would like to find out from you, and very few people in America is the inquisition the torturing of Jews jumped from Spain to Mexico and parts of the United States.
Sid: How did that happen?
Dell: Well what happened is that the Jews the Sephardic Jews were called in Spain and Iberia the la gente prohibida, meaning the prohibited people. The prohibited people of the what, the prohibited people of prohibited from coming across the Atlantic into the New World. They were not supposed to they could be anywhere else but not into the New World. So they began to discover early in the 1500’s that we were multiplying our people, Sephardim was multiplying and quite successful. Well how did they get here and what were they doing. Well what occurred quickly in the early 1500’s I’d say by 1515, 1520 the Franciscans was sent by the order of the Spanish inquisition to establish a Mexican inquisition high tribunal in Mexico City, but also one, subsequent to this in Lima, Peru, and one in the Inca, Columbia.
Sid: But how did they know that there was so many of these Spanish Jews that went there didn’t they hide the fact they were Jewish?
Dell: Well the fact is they’re were a lot of crypto Jews, they were actually they thought that they’d have full freedom over here as much as Don Reese’s family, his sister, his nieces and nephews, they thought they’d have the real liberty of just continue with their Jewish lifestyle over here in the New World. But…
Sid: And they never thought again it’s so parallel to the blacks in America when the blacks thought they were safe because they came to the north and then the slave trader act was past and they could come to the north and get them it was very parallel.
Dell: Exactly, yes so what happened is that quickly they have to become what’s called Crypto Jew, Jews in secret. You know by day they are Catholic and by night and in secrecy they are Jewish. You know so that’s what occurred, now in the process there’s another term now here more of recently I may add is that many of our own Jewish Sephardic people are saying are acknowledging themselves not so much as Marrano okay as a Marrano, but Anosim. I have been in Israel…
Sid: What is Anosim mean?
Dell: And they asked me who are you, what’s the link of your Jewish heritage. I say I’m Anosim they immediately know to have been one of those that’s been forced, that has been coerced, manipulated and as a people raped. They immediately embrace me, that mean embrace my people as one of their own brothers and sisters.
Sid: Now when the inquisitors so to speak from Spain came hunting Jews in Mexico and these other places what happened when they found them did they have any rights there?
Dell: What happened is that some of them had some rights like for intense Don Reese had right of this huge amount of territory owed by some of my fellow scholars as known as the tragic square. It’s the big huge square of course I don’t think it was exactly a square, but what happened is when they discovered when the Catholic inquisitors then transferred power to the Dominicans within 5 to 7 years after they took control. They fueled the inquisitional fires, la jasoheras, that burns at the stake. They just fueled the investigations and the tortures so that…
Sid: They burned Jews at the stake?
Dell: Yes! Yes they were burning…
Sid: The same type of torture that went on in Spain?
Dell: The same thing was happening in Spain was happening here in Mexico City. And they were fetching the Sephardim from all across Mexico. Remember many of them came north as far north as possible away from the high tribunal Mexico City. So much so that they had to come, and as I said the earlier end of the broadcast come across the river away from the Republic of Mexico into Texas, New Mexico.
Sid: But you told me they weren’t even safe there!
Dell: They weren’t even safe there; what happened is that this is what has occurred in the Spirit of God was revealing to me and I didn’t have the documented fact up until last year. I had this you call it theory it was more of a revelation of the Spirit of the Living God Sid that there was something wrong. In fact if I may add we were in a major mission we were in a conference God gave me an open vision in Soul Korea and open vision of a mission of a Spanish mission. And I thought “What in the world is going on?” There was a lot of details to this vision we were attending a conference with Dr. Paul Yonggi Cho in Sole Korea. And God gave me this open vision in fact I shared this vision with my people and Robert Rodriguez, an old friend of mine, painted the object of this Spanish mission. But I didn’t know what that meant; I didn’t know Sid for years and years I didn’t know why God would show me a mission in a typical territory of the Southwestern part of the United States or Northern Mexico. And I thought that it meant maybe I had a mission in life such as television ministry or etcetera but low and behold I discover by the Holy Spirit revealing to me that very missions became eyes of spies. The missions if you trace them…
Sid: I’ll tell you what Dell it’s too important hold that thought will pick up here on tomorrows broadcast.
Sid: Hello Sid Roth with something more and Jonathan you have such a… and by the way my guest is Jonathan Bernis the head of Jewish Voice. You’ve probably seen him on television but Jonathan and I friends and we’re going to let you eaves drop on our conversation. You have had a passion for years for confessing God’s word, why?
Jonathan: Well very simply two words: It works.
Sid: I like that.
Jonathan: It does (laughing) it absolutely works and I’ll tell you very the story how I came into this. I was counseling a woman, and one of the things that I least enjoy to be, between us just the 2 of us (sound of microphone being rubbed)…
Sid: You just hit your mike again (laughing).
Jonathan: I know, I know.
Sid: (Laughing) Okay.
Jonathan: I was going to hit my forehead and I missed. Oi Vey! But one of things I least enjoyed when I was leading a congregation, pastoral minister was counseling. I was counseling a woman week after week, after week that had severe depression.
Sid: By the way, Jonathan was single for many years and women would come to him for counseling (laughing). God told them they were supposed to get married.
Jonathan: (Laughing) Yeah I’d find out later. I did this for 9 years I pastored for 9 years and there was a woman severely depressed, clinically depressed. She had been like the woman with the issue of blood to every psychologist, every psychiatrist, they had spent a great deal of money on counseling and she was… she just exuded depression. Everywhere she went it was just like a cloud over her then it his other people. I just spent hours of really wasted time trying to help here without any results whatsoever. Then I was praying her before a counseling meeting and the Lord told me just give her some scriptures of liberty, that confess liberty “Whoever the Son sets free is free indeed. Where the Spirit of God is there is liberty. Greater is He that is us than he that is in the world.” I gave here this assignment and I didn’t know what to expect I actually probably didn’t expect much of anything. Sid she came back the next week and she was a different person. The cloud was gone, she was smiling, it was the first I had ever seen her smile and she obeyed the homework assignment, she did it.
Jonathan: She became a doer of the word and not a hearer only and she stood in front of the mirror like I recommended she do. She began to confess these scriptures and in about 3 days the depression lifted because the word of God works and confession is a Biblical principle. If you look at the word meditate in the Hebrew it’s hagah. That should remind you of you something of the hagadah…
Jonathan: …Which means to tell the Passover story, hagadah, but that word hagah…
Sid: Excuse me the little booklet that has the format for Passover is called the Hagadah.
Jonathan: Why? Because we’re retelling the story of Passover, the exodus out of Egypt. Thanks for clarifying. The word in Hebrew hagah means to mutter, to utter, to speak, and when God told Joshua to meditate on the word and he would be successful in everything that he did and he’d be able to take the land and lead the children of Israel into the promise land, the word is hagah. So Christian meditation is to think to contemplate, but Jewish meditation is to confess. To use that little member of our body, the tongue, which we’re told has the power of life and death in it. To speak the word of God and by speaking the word of God something happens Sid that’s supernatural. I know you like that word supernatural.
Sid: I do.
Jonathan: What happens is “Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God.” The spoken tongue, the language, speaking forth words has creative force for good and bad. What happens supernaturally is when we confess the word of God we hear it, when we hear it over and over again it becomes faith it drops into our spirit. Then when we confess it from our spirit it has creative force it has life and it brings change. It’s miraculous it’s supernatural.
Sid: What I find is so amazing, if you could see in the invisible realm when you speak… (Sound of microphone being rubbed) I just did the same thing…
Jonathan: I just wanted to point it out (laughing).
Sid: Yeah I wasn’t going to let you point it out. When you speak the word of God it literally is called a sword. It literally does what a sword does it just totally… the enemy stands no chance. In fact…
Jonathan: You feel the anointing growing right now as you’re talking? The anointing is… I’m getting excited.
Sid: Joshua 1:8 you teach about, explain.
Jonathan: That is the scripture… God is encouraging Joshua. He’s preparing Joshua to take over for Moses. Can you imagine how daunting this is? The great Moses has now departed and you have to lead somewhere around 3 million Jewish people, everyone is a president unto themselves and you have to lead them…
Sid: If you have 10 Jewish people you have 11 opinions.
Jonathan: Or more. God is encouraging Joshua, this is Joshua’s pep talk Sid. He’s saying “Joshua you’re going to make but here’s how you’re going to make it. You’re going to succeed, you’re going to accomplish this. I’ve been preparing you but here’s what you have to do to be successful. You have meditate, hagah, confess My word day and night and never let it depart (He doesn’t say from your heart, or your mind, He says ‘Never let it depart…’) from your mouth.” So if you confess the scriptures by speaking them forth they’ll get into your hearing, you’ll listen to them it’ll drop into your spirit, it’ll become faith and you will succeed in everything you do.
Sid: You know I’m having an amazing thought right now. We Jewish people we go into the synagogue and we daven, that’s called pray and we usually use a prayer book, but the prayer book is loaded with the scripture. So a religious Jew is going into the synagogue and he is meditating on the word of God every day. My father used to have the prayer book memorized and there’d be a contest to see who could say the prayers the fastest in the synagogue. What he was doing was he was speaking the supernatural words of God. He was meditating, he was actually mumbling, when you said that it’s like mumbling they do it real fast…
Jonathan: Yeah mumble or mutter.
Sid: Mutter when they read it that quickly in the scriptures and maybe, just maybe that’s one of the reasons why Jewish people are such a blessed group of people. I mean more Noble prizes for Jewish people and we’re such a tiny group of people. I believe that has something to do with that Jonathan.
Jonathan: Again our spoken words have created force, our spoken words are what we hear and “Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God.” The most powerful thing is when it gets into our heart, and don’t you notice you confess scriptures and you remember them at key times?
Jonathan: The Lord brings them to mind at just the right time and that’s how it works. When you speak forth the word of God, when you speak healing to someone from your spirit you’re releasing the creative power of healing and I love it Sid there’s nothing more exciting.
Sid: Okay but you have incorporated Hebrew…
Jonathan: I have.
Sid: Why now? It’s interactive so you have the English, you have the Hebrew, and you have the transliteration which we’ll get to, which in a matter of seconds you can actually speak the Hebrew that you’re seeing. But why Hebrew?
Jonathan: Well there’s a couple of reasons:
First of all, Hebrew is known as the holy tongue. It’s the tongue of the prophets, it’s the language of the Old Testament and I believe it’s the language of heaven. I believe that when God created the world it was the spoken word in Hebrew. We’ll find out when we get to heaven but I believe it was Hebrew. It’s a creative… So the language itself has creative force. We were talking in a past program about the… just the different tone, tonal qualities of Hebrew they’ve determined have creative power.
Sid: You know I can’t tell you from technical viewpoint, I just can tell you to my ear I like spoken Hebrew, I like the way it sounds.
Jonathan: I do too. There’s a reason for that our spirit likes it it’s not our mind that likes it it’s our spirit that likes it. When I hear shalom I just love it and I know that it’s speaking peace, that it’s speaking life, but here’s another let’s take this one Adonai Yireh the word yireh oaky, the Lord will provide. So yireh, or Jireh, (singing) ‘Jehovah Jireh my provider’ so what’s the English word? It’s provide. Right?
Jonathan: But yireh when we confess yireh we not saying provide we’re saying we’re speaking forth prophetically abundance, blessing, multiplication, I’m reading all the words that yireh means. Lacking for nothing, prosper, success, fruitfulness, sustenance, rescue, protection, shelter, graciousness, enjoyment, carry us to old age, rain (when there’s famine), asking and receiving all connected to the word yireh.
Sid: You know what, that sure sounds a lot better to me than just money. That’s what money can’t buy…
Sid: …you know that? Money can’t buy what yireh provides for us.
Jonathan: You know how we have super supplements and super vitamins and whatever else are super foods? Hebrew are super words it’s a language of super words. So we provide in English but then we go to the Hebrew and we release in yireh a super word that has 20 or 30 English words all contained in the one word we confess yireh.
Sid: But the problem is if you have ever looked at the Hebrew language unless you’re taught you can’t speak and you’ll have to be taught it for a number of years to understand it, to speak it, but there was a problem when Jewish people came to America. Tell me about that Jonathan.
Jonathan: Well the Yeshiva, the idea of Yeshiva and men being brought up as from the time that they were little children in the Hebrew language; disappeared when Jews started coming to America. In fact, the Hebrew language was basically lost it was really lost in what we call the dispersion when Jews were forced to leave Israel banished from Israel in 70 AD or actually 130 after the Bar Kokhba revolt they were scattered to the nations of the world and you would think they would assimilate. Here’s a people without homeland anymore and really without a common language. Hebrew really faded way but it continued on in the European shtetl and so on, but in America particularly Hebrew literally disappeared. So the religious leaders at the turn of the 20th century were asking the question “How do we preserve Hebrew in our worship?” They came up with the idea of transliteration which is simply taking the English language and phonetically spelling out the Hebrew, and we both grew up with this to some extent. We both went to Hebrew school but we also have in most prayer books now outside of the Orthodox this thing called transliteration where we have the phonetic English that is an aid to read Hebrew, and I’ve employed that in these books.
Sid: No I see it for instance the Hebrew you’d never understand if you saw it written, but then it’s so easy. Here it is phonetically and in the book that’s what I love about this book. You see it’s a hardback…
Jonathan: It’s a workbook.
Jonathan: It’s a workbook.
Sid: … and the CD is interactive. He has an Israeli reading the Hebrew but then you can read right along with that Israeli because it’s written out phonetically. It’s so easy… just that word “The Lord will provide.” All of those meanings you’re losing, you’re capturing it when you’re saying Hebrew. You know what Zephaniah says? That a pure language will be restored and many people believe that Biblical Hebrew is a pure language…
Jonathan: I’m positive that that’s the fulfillment of that scripture. I have no doubt.
Sid: I believe that too.
Jonathan: I’m sure of it.
Sid: Okay. Why… so they developed this system it’s so simple that anyone without understanding how to read the Hebraic letters sounds like an Israeli scholar, but you’ll really sound like Israeli because on the interactive CD that comes with this beautiful book you get the Hebrew from an Israeli not just Jonathan or myself that speak bar-mitzvah Hebrew.
Jonathan: And you can read with it and follow it right along. There’s a… Here’s how long it takes to learn Hebrew with these books 5 minutes, 5 minutes.
Sid: I said seconds…
Sid: Okay I’m an evangelist you’re a teacher (laughing).
Jonathan: No you’re exaggerating is a full 5 minute process.
Jonathan: To start I’ve got to be honest. I’ve got to be honest with you.
Sid: Can you do the 5 minutes… by the way it’s so supernatural the way Hebrew was lost when the Jews were dispersed to the 4 corners of the earth. How was Hebrew restored for Israel because see here’s the problem, Jews were coming back from the 4 corners of the earth to Israel as God promised, but they… some spoke French, some spoke Italian, some spoke what’s the Ethiopian language?
Jonathan: Yiddish there was 2…
Sid: So it was like the Tower of Babel we’ve got to have one language…
Jonathan: That’s right.
Sid: … So how did we get one language back?
Jonathan: Well Hebrew is a precursor to the restoration of Israel as a state in 1948. It began with pioneers as you said in the 19th century that began to go back to the land and God spoke to a man named Eliezer Ben Yehuda. We have Ben Yehuda Street…
Jonathan: So he’s a very prominent figure in Israel. He’s known as the father of Modern Hebrew. He, I believe, was called supernaturally by God to return to the land of Israel. He was a linguist who began to recreate to take the ancient language that had been preserved but lost at the same time and began to put together a multivolume dictionary; and all of these modern words that didn’t have a Hebrew word he created Hebrew words and he restored, he was used by God, to restore Hebrew as a modern spoken language.
Sid: How… you know he had all sorts of persecution when he did this…
Sid: How… he… it had to be God…
Jonathan: It had to be.
Sid: … because without the modern day Hebrew Israel would be a nation like the Tower of Babel.
Jonathan: Sid just to see the way God orchestrated everything. Zionism with Theodore Herzl who was a proclaimed atheist saw a trial in France called the Dreyfus Trial and said “We are never going to be safe anywhere we need our homeland,” started the modern movement of Zionism. You have Eliezer Ben Yehuda being used by God to recreate the language of Hebrew reestablished…
Sid: It’s all dovetailing.
Jonathan: All dovetails and comes together at a specific time in history a divine intersection, a kairos moment.
Sid: Sid Roth with something more I’m here with Israel Pachtar in Israel what you and I witnessed with our eyes. I mean I’m in this auditorium in Jerusalem Israel came there to view the event and it’s an auditorium that we had more people than seats standing room only jam packed. But it’s in Jerusalem it’s not Believers it wouldn’t be that difficult to fill the auditorium with Believers. But to fill the auditorium in Jerusalem Israel with unsaved Jewish people standing room only. And then when I started speaking I had words of knowledge and I have to tell you Israel everything in faith takes courage you know this.
Sid: Just what I heard about you in the last segment if that’s not courage I don’t know what is it takes the Hebrew word chutzpah nerve. But every time that I do this I know that if God doesn’t show up with signs and wonders I’ve wasted the whole trip literally. And I can’t between you and me I can’t heal anyone only God can heal people. I’m 100% depending on God. You know what I found out God likes it when we’re 100% dependent on Him. And then at the end I have to tell you I was believing God and it was hard to say this but I was believing God for 100% to be saved. Well there are what are called anti-missionaries at this meeting people that came and they actually took pictures of the people to intimidate them like they intimidated Israel at his home. And so but I have an idea one of them will be like a Saul of Tarsus and become a Paul the Apostle. So 98% I was believing for 100 but better than 98% stood up and received the Messiah. You’re an Israeli had you ever seen this type of thing happen in Jerusalem?
Israel: No, it’s a new day for Israel it’s really a new day. I remember spending week after week month after month trying to reach out 1 and nothing happened can you believe it. It’s a new day for Israel.
Sid: And guess what he’s an ordained evangelist, he is a gifted evangelist and he said how tough it was. But when he says it’s a new day for Israel it’s a new day for the world.
Sid: Humanitarian efforts, bless Israel parties bless you and continue doing the Israel needs humanitarian aid desperately. Israel needs to be blessed by Christians world wide and that’s what our purpose is. But it’s a new day, it’s a new time God says “It’s the set time to favor Zion; at the set time to favor Zion you can do something better for Jewish people than give us a handout of food and clothing. You can lead us to the Messiah the Jewish Express has started it picked up almost 650 Jewish people in Jerusalem. I’ll tell you the next city I’ll be in after I’m there but I’ve been to cities throughout the world and I’m telling you it’s a new day and Jewish people are standing in line to board the Jewish Express because they are dying to know the Messiah. God is doing something special with Arabs but he’s also doing something special with Jewish people. And the Jewish person that God Himself has had cross your path is not an accident that Jewish doctor, that Jewish merchant, that Jewish friend, that Jewish former schoolmate you consider that it’s a new day as Israel said. But you know what else I find interesting about you Israel is you operate in extraordinary supernatural miracles tell me about that person where you told me you went the person where they were dying of lung cancer were they really dying or were they just…
Israel: No she was dying a young lady about 30 years old having beautiful single mother having beautiful blond girl she was dying and doctor said she will live 24 or 48 hours the most she said the cancer was developed and it was too late and they can’t do nothing, no chemo, not an operation nothing. And some social workers came to discuss what to do with the girls because she’s beautiful and Israel is waiting to have kids and it was a mess. So I came there with one witness I came to her and she couldn’t talk all of the systems and she couldn’t talk. But she was incontinence and she heard me. So I asked her a question and she give me a sign with her eyes that I’m hearing you just a little nod in the eyes. And I prayed a simple prayer and I can tell you in that moment I didn’t feel anything. You know sometimes you pray and you just know Holy Spirit is working and it’s power and this time nothing the very heavy atmosphere of death a spirit of death. So I prayed just a simple prayer about her I said to her a couple of words of encouragement and then I left. About 3 or 4 hours later she was constantly healed right away, so she just stand up and took everything out and doctors came and thought she’s dying.
Sid: She took it out by herself.
Israel: She took it out by herself.
Sid: The tube.
Israel: And she was shouting “I’m hungry, I’m starving I want to eat.” She was totally healed and she still lived till today and the teenage girl and it’s unbelievable. Now we see you know in Israel God is rising the Body of Messiah in Israel and people coming to the Lord but at the same time we see an increase of miracles and healings. It’s not unusual numbers.
Sid: Give me I want you to paint me a picture and I believe that I’m not off when I say 1 year from today paint me a picture of what will be happening in Israel 1 year from today, what is God going to be doing?
Israel: You want me to be focused on the war situation or God’s Kingdom?
Sid: Look war come and go I want to know about the glory of God.
Israel: Amen the kingdom is growing the openness is growing; now it’s a slow process but it’s really speeding up and increasing; I’ve never seen such numbers of open people like we see today. Now it doesn’t say like everybody you approach in Israel will gladly what you’re telling them there is still a process there are still problems but the open population is growing amazingly. Many Israelis are ready to receive the Lord and Yeshua. I mean of course they really want to understand that this is right and it is Israeli Jewish Messiah when they see it they go for it. Now more and more miracles they are really believing like you said a year from now I believe that the miracles of God will change everything.
Sid: I see a major glory cloud coming to your congregation and other congregations around Israel. I see people walking into your congregation and walking out physically healed not because you even prayed.
Sid: But just by being in the tangible presence of the Living God. I see Israel a nation of true Jews. Now help me out because I’m an American Jew, I read Hebrew beautifully but I don’t understand too many words of what I read. I have been told that the term Jew comes from a Hebrew word Yehuda which means a worshipper of God.
Sid: And in order to be a true Jew according to Jeremiah chapter 31:31 you have to be under the New Covenant. And to be circumcised not just on the outside but circumcision of your heart. So a true Jew is one that was born Jewish or converted to Judaism but then according to the Prophet Jeremiah had a circumcision of the heart.
Israel: Yes, there is many prophecies Sid that’s saying when God will bring people back to the land to restore them to land as a nation as a land then many prophecies Isaiah, Jeremiah they’re saying “And then I will pour My Spirit on you and your will know me.” So I see and Roman’s 11 also addresses the salvation of Jewish nation I see we’re really approaching and this is the beginning of great revival because now Holy Spirit is pouring out more and more it’s a wonderful process but believing in such a historical days. You know from the days of the Bible from the beginning we never have seen such a big number of Jewish people who believe in Yeshua or believe in Jesus.
Sid: Of course it’s a history and now it’s happening right now. It’s the time clock for the return of Jesus. And that’s fact and speaking of time clock…
Sid: My guest by way of telephone is red hot for Messiah his name is Keith Davis I’m speaking to him at his home in Orange Beach, Alabama. Perhaps you’ve read a number of his prophetic articles in various Christian publications. Keith I understand in May of 2001 your wife had a prophetic, was it a dream?
Keith: Well actually it was in prophetic experience and heard on audible voice so it was not really a dream more like a vision of the night. And she heard an audible voice say to her “We must go back to 1941.” And the significance of that was we were preparing for an intercessors gathering in Jacksonville, Florida for the specific purpose of praying for the Jewish nation, the nation of Israel and America. And when the conference began we shared what she had received in the audible voice and felt like the Lord was telling us we must go back to the condition of the nation in 1941 and the bombing that took place on Peale Harbor on December 7th and how that surprise attack on our nation galvanized the nation as a whole to support, fully support the war and to make the enemies of Israel our enemies. Up until that point we had not really fully committed our self the nation was divided in support of the war but after that surprise attack the nation was completely galvanized in unity in support of our committing our full military forces against the armies of Germany and the full commitment of World War II.
Sid: Now how does this tie in with the tragedy of the terrorist attacks on September 11th?
Keith: We feel like now with the surprise attack that happened on December excuse me on September the 11th that now we have fully committed our resources now the nation is galvanized just as it was in 1941 in full commitment to the war on terrorism to fight the very terrorist machine that’s been terrorizing Israel for years. We have, as a nation, held the hands of Israel behind their back and refused to allow them the full support they needed to battle the terrorism and now the very enemies, the very spiritual forces that were opposing Israel we are now also making our enemies so in that respect it’s done the same thing this year that happened in 1941. And from our perspective that’s the thing that we’re coming away from this incident from the 11th most emphatically with although we recognize that there are other things that maybe coming out of it this is the single thing that has been for most for us as we join the Lord’s heart of intercession for the nation of Israel and also for our nation as well.
Sid: Has the Lord given you any insight as to the destiny of America as to whether they’ll be more of these attacks or in any of these areas?
Keith: After the attack occurred on the 11th the Lord spoke the Lord spoke very specifically that we were to strictly go back to prior prophetic words that we have brought and re-exam those words in light of the events of the 11th. And in doing that we first went to a word we brought in 1999 called “The Lord’s heart of Intercession.” And in that word Bob Jones had had a vision seeing that a national calamity was at hand and that the church needed to join the Lord in His intercession because a number of things were planned but if we would pray then those events could be staggered. But he was strictly shown…
Sid: Excuse me what do you mean by staggered?
Keith: Well they would not all occur at one time.
Sid: But they would occur?
Keith: But there would be some things that could be curtailed. Frankly we think there are some things still being planned against our nation and the word that we brought even last week that “Many things hang in the balance and the direction that our nation takes and even the ability of the terrorists to continue what’s already been planned lies in the hands of the church.”
Sid: Well what would be a bad direction for our nation to take?
Keith: Well a bad direction would be if some of the influences around our political leaders and particular our president were to steer him away from full and complete support of Israel. We believe that is emphatically important that our national government as well as the church stand in support of Israel in this particular hour because now their enemies have become our enemies. And if anything takes place that is paramount right now it is that we stand unified galvanized in our support of Israel in every respect militarily. Now the church must stand with Israel in prayer praying for the peace of Jerusalem. I do believe we do believe that there has to be some form of retaliation if you will some form of response to the terrorists for what they have done a detriment. But it needs to be the right response there…we’re really asking those who support our ministry to pray earnestly that the Lord gives our president the wisdom to make the right choices. And even those responsible for the terrorism be exposed and dealt with harshly.
Sid: Now we’re supposed to pray for wisdom and protection and intimacy with God for the president of the United States but do you have any insights into which way to go on this issue?
Keith: Well we’ve been in contact with some people that have access to the President and from what we’re understanding there are 2 schools of thoughts that are being presented to him. One is the one that we would certainly support. There is another school of thought that is also being presented that we feel like it would be a great detriment. And so our prayer has been that the president will only give heed to Godly wisdom the divine counsel that’s being presented to him particularly as it relates to Israel but also as it relates to the other issues in our nation.
Sid: Paint me a picture of what might happen if we take the wrong road in reference to Israel what might happen to America.
Keith: Well in the vision of 1999 the Lord stated clearly that there were a number of things that were planned against our nation. And the Lord said He is for us and it is not His desire for our nation to fall but He wanted to use our nation as a great vehicle in the harvest but if we do not come away from the incident with the right response I’m afraid that there may be another chastening if you will that will drive us closer to that decision specifically our economy. Just recently the Lord released a revelation showing that it was the enemy who was trying to bring great hardship in our economy. And that this terrorist act and all of the consequences of it are to hinder our nation from being the vehicle that it’s intended to be. But the Lord is saying “If we will pray, if we will join in His heart of intercession He will turn that around and all of that will be restored and multiplied form.” So if we don’t make the right decision I’m afraid that we will be in for some more hardship.
Sid: If we make the wrong decision will there still be revival in America?
Keith: We believe there will be; we believe that the Lord is going to have His revival. I believe that we can have it much sooner and with much less hardship and difficulty if we will respond to the Lord the way that He is asking us to. And here again we’re strictly just analyzing the events of the 11th in line of prior words. Another word that came was a message in 1998 actually called “A Message of the Cross.” And in it we saw a great memorial that had been erected in our country. It was a symbolic indication of our trust and our faith had been put in our accomplishments of man and we saw something coming from heaven that stuck this memorial that was erected to this accomplishment of man. But as soon as it came down an image of the cross began to be erected in fact in the vision the way that the cross was being erected was identical to the Iwo Jima memorial where the American flag was being erected but instead of being an American flag it was 12 humble soldiers erecting this cross replacing the accomplishments of man with faith in the cross. So I believe that the Lord is going to have His revival, I believe that there will be a renewal that sweeps our country and I believe the 12 humble men represented the apostolic government that He is beginning to bring to his church with fresh revelations of the cross for our nation.
Sid: In light of everything that you know what advice would you give our listeners.
Keith: The word that we’re continually being given day after day is prayer. To join the Lord in His heart of intercession and to those that have supported our ministry we’ve sensed specific things that we’re asking that are being prayed. First and foremost is that we must pray that our nation and the church stand with Israel that cannot be compromised! The second thing that we’re asking that the Lord release wisdom to our president to make the right decisions to make the right choices in his response the terrorist act. We’re asking that the terrorists be exposed that the Lord would supernaturally unveil their hiding places that He would exposed those responsible for the terrorism. Then we’re asking the people to pray that the Lord would send renewal that there would be a softening of our heart and that we would repent of placing our trust in man. You know Jeremiah talked about it that “Those that place their trust in flesh will be gravely disappointed but those that trust in the Lord will be like a tree planted by a river.” And that’s what we’re asking the people to pray that those things would be released. And it’s really a parallel to the presidential election. And in 1999 the Lord gave us a word about the presidential election and that he ultimately that decision will be made by the church. And I believe that the tie that occurred between the 2 candidates that whole issue hung in the balance and 2 diametrically opposing paths for our nation and because of the willingness of the church to pray we went one path. If this is identically the same thing the direction of our nation is hanging in the balance and it will be the willingness of the church to pray.
Sid: Over the next 12 months do you have any insight as to what will happen in the stock market?
Keith: Well according to the revelations we’ve been getting the Lord is going to restore the economy that’s the word He gave us. Now he did not give a timetable he did not we feel like a lot of that will be determined here again by our responses; the responses as a church make right now and as we stand in the gap as did Moses for our nation I think that will determine how quickly that recovery will come.
Sid: My guest by way of telephone I’m speaking to him at his home outside of Akron, Ohio is Rick Neill. We’re interviewing him on his brand new book, literally just off the press, “Ultimate Glory.” The thing that excites me about this book Mishpocha is there’ve been many scenarios on how the end time events will be, but you know none of these scenarios are really and truly based on the Old Covenant festivals. As I explained on yesterday’s broadcast God Himself tells us that these festivals, or the Hebrew word is these God appointments or holy convocations. In the Hebrew holy convocation means rehearsals. So God is already telling us if you’d like to know how the play ends look at the rehearsal. Most Christians don’t have a clue about their Hebraic roots because they were stolen and replaced with Greco-Roman roots. That’s why there’s so much confusion and controversy in the last days, but God does not want it to be a mystery to His children. So on yesterday’s broadcast we found out that the feasts are divided into 2 seasons so to speak. There’s the spring feast which were perfect shadows of the first coming of the Messiah, and then there are the fall feasts which again are perfect shadows of the return of the Messiah. Now one of the things that God… Rick really thinking along these lines has to do with the understanding of a wedding. A wedding, a Jewish wedding in the east is so different than what we have as weddings, even Jewish weddings or all kinds of weddings here in the west. So when we look at the parables of the Messiah the people when He said that they knew in cultural context what He was talking about, but today we put His words in our 21st century western cultural context and get the wrong conclusions. So let’s start at the beginning again to understand what a Jewish wedding was like in the times that Jesus wrote all of these parables about the last days. Rick?
Rick: The things the Lord really used to get me started down this line there is something He stirred inside of me about the word mansion. What is turned out to be was we understand in the west the word mansion to mean like a 23 room estate with managed gardens, but the Hebrew word for mansion is more of an intimate place for the bride and the groom, a bridal chamber. Once He started me down that line of thinking He began to show me other things and how it works out is that with the wedding the way that it is Biblically, the bridegroom would come and propose a wedding covenant for the bride. He would come and set a goblet, or a glass of wine before the bride and before the bride’s father. He would propose a marriage covenant and he would in that covenant state what he would be willing to pay for the hand of his bride. The father would look over the covenant and it would be presented to the young lady and often times the young lady would be making her decision on whether or not to marry this bridegroom without even ever having seen him. But the proposal of marriage would be made and if she would receive the proposal, if she said “Yes” she would drink from the cup. The drinking of the cup they were considered betrothed, that doesn’t really mean engaged the way we think of it. What it means is that they were married but they were not to be together yet, they were husband and wife at that point but they couldn’t be intimate because at that point when she said “Yes” by taking and drinking of the cup the bridegroom was told that she had accepted his offer and he would go home to his father’s house and he would begin to prepare the mansion, the bridal suite. It would be the father’s decision, not he son’s decision as to when the bridal suite was finished. The son would work on the bridal suite when it was finally finished the father would give the okay to the son to go and sweep away his bride, to go in the middle of the night and to take her away, to catch her away. Well while this building was taking place of the mansion the bride would keep herself pure. Once she drank of that cup there was a veil to be worn over her face. From that day on that veil spoke of the fact that she is separate, she is to be separate onto her bridegroom that she is spoken for that the price has been paid for her, and that she is already spoken for. So she would each night go to bed and take her lamp with her because she did not know what night the bridegroom would be coming for her. She would take the oil and take the lamp, so that when the building was finished and the bridegroom did come that the best man would come with the bridegroom and with a shout he would awaken the bride and take away the bride and they would be whisked back to the bridal chamber, or the mansion, where the marriage would be consummated at that point.
Sid: The thing that’s so amazing in our understanding is here in the west we combine the wedding ceremony and the wedding feast, but how was it in Biblical days?
Rick: The wedding ceremony itself wasn’t going to happen until after the marriage was consummated because as they came back to the mansion when they came there the best man would wait outside the door after the marriage is consummated, and once the marriage is consummated the sheet that had blood on it from the first time that they made love would be shown as a sign of virginity, sign of purity which would mean that the wedding would proceed. Because at that point if the bride herself was not a virgin she was eligible to be stoned, that’s in Deuteronomy 22 that’s one of the ones that really got me started down this line. The whole idea of the wedding… the first emphasis is of a catching away, or the surprise taking away by the bridegroom. Then the next emphasis is on purity, that if the bride who the bridegroom comes for has not kept herself pure that she would be cut off at that point.
Sid: How does this pan out with the current thinking of say a little prayer with Billy, live like the world and when you die you have a life insurance policy to go to heaven, once you say that prayer no one can ever take your life insurance policy to heaven away?
Rick: The key to salvation is lordship, it’s relationship with Jesus. In Matthew 7 Jesus said “Not everyone who says to Me ‘Lord, Lord’ but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven.” We can also see this in how Jesus addresses the 7 churches in Revelations where He talks about “I know your works.” The whole emphasis on Passover and the early feast days was on faith that we get into the kingdom by faith. Now our lifestyle once we enter by faith must be a lifestyle of faithfulness. That the Lord has called us to follow His Lordship that we can’t call Him Lord and ignore His dictates to our lives. That He has a specific destiny birth in everyone of us, that we have a specific target a specific destiny that we each are to fulfill for our Lord and as He walks us down there it’s the works, it’s the obedience, it’s doing what the Lord says that keeps us in fellowship with Him and we can’t ignore Jesus and call Him Lord.
Sid: The message I’ve been getting is the prophetic word I’ve been getting is “It’s time for separation.” What would that mean to you?
Rick: To me that is to lay down anything that is coming between Jesus and me. It doesn’t have to be black backsliding sin it can be in my case, my personal case, sports could become an idol in my life…
Sid: Now if sports was not an idol He wouldn’t tell you to lay it down.
Rick: No now there is nothing sinful about watching a football game, but where the problem comes in when I let that become too big a part of my life; when I spend more time investing my time in football than I do in reading the word and fellowshipping with the Lord, and interceding for His people. When I let things become more important than Jesus then that’s when He will come and tell us to separate that those things are sucking life. He has an awesome destiny set before me for my life and He has an awesome destiny set before you for your life. But there are also booby traps that the enemy tries to get in there to get us off track to suck that life of God out of us to where we will be spending our energy and resources in wrong areas.
Sid: You know when I read your book “Ultimate Glory” and read what the shadows of the fall feasts show I think it would cause someone to be very nervous if they understood what’s going to happen on the Day of Atonement.
Rick: I agree, I agree. Those who have a very shallow relationship with the Lord, those who believe they just have to say a prayer and they’ll go to heaven when they die that these feasts days, these fall feast days are really going to shake them up. But on the other hand those who have a heart to really serve the Lord, those who have really made Jesus Christ their Lord those who really want to fulfill their destiny, those who want to walk in Godliness, those who want to fulfill everything the Lord has predestined for them, these fall feast days will birth such hope in their hearts. That’s what it’s done in me.
Sid: I’ll just give our Mishpocha a little clue, we’re about ready to walk into the greatest revival the world has ever seen. The question is not whether we are going to walk into or not, the question is are you going to walk into it?