Sid RothComments Off on Our Guests Nancy Alcorn & Laura Schultz
Sid: And Laura Schultz, and Laura is now a graduate and now and instructress at Mercy Ministry in Nashville, Tennessee. All this week we’ve been featuring a book by the Founder of Mercy Ministries, Nancy Alcorn, it’s called “Mercy for Eating Disorders.” Subtitled “True Stories of Real Hope and Real Answers for Healing and Freedom.” And we found out these eating disorders are literally epidemic. Things like anorexia, bulimia, and binge eating. And I thought you’d find it interesting if I spoke with Laura. Laura we’re just getting to know each other but I understand in high school you gained an enormous amount of weight. You were successful in school but there was sort of like a void in your life, tell me about it.
Laura: Yes, even in childhood I began eating just to cope with pain, to cope with hurts and wounds, gained a lot of weight. And in high school very successful academically in fact very driven, very performance oriented, wanted to be successful and yet I knew that there was something in me that I was not able to fill and I tried to fill that with food. And all that it left me with was, you know, more emptiness, I’d gained a whole lot of weight, was very over weight and was very unhappy, very depressed. Fell, into a very deep depression at about age 16 was when that depression just full blown.
Sid: Now your father put a lot of pressure on you.
Laura: He did and you know I love my dad and we have reconciliation because of the way that he was raised he felt like “Well I need to encourage these daughters of mine to be successful.” And I think that encouragement went maybe beyond just encouragement and into what I perceived as demands. And if I was not perfect, if I was not…
Sid: Getting all A’s.
Laura: Right, right. Needing to be this straight “A” student involved in all of these activities to get this perfect college resume so that I could get a scholarship. I knew that he loved me but I also felt very driven to perform.
Sid: Now in high school you decided to get a little control over this so you went once a week to an organization called “Over Eaters Anonymous.” Most people have heard of AA, Alcoholic Anonymous and this was similar called “Over Eaters Anonymous.” But you actually got even worse.
Laura: Yes, it was like a young adult’s group and it was in a psychiatric hospital and I’d already been seeing a counselor and a psychiatrist and they were trying to help me deal with this. I learned tricks of the trade as you call them in eating disorder from some of these other girls that were in this group.
Sid: Just like sometimes people go to prison to be rehabilitated but they get equipped for even more serious crime by being in prison.
Laura: Exactly, we were teaching each other this is how you can hide your food, and how you can make yourself throw-up. We were really encouraging each other into destruction rather than any kind of healing or future.
Sid: By the way does this particular program and others like it do they get you healed or they teach you just how to control your addiction?
Laura: Well I think you know it’s different for every person. For me that program if it’s grounded in Jesus then I think that there’s true healing. But I do not believe that you know some people believe… “Some people believe once an alcoholic always an alcoholic.” I do not believe that, I think that there’s true freedom in Christ. And some of those programs they do tell you…
Sid: So the Bible doesn’t say that Jesus came to arrest your problem or control your problem, He came to set the captive free.
Laura: Exactly, I mean Jesus didn’t tell the lame man “Here put this brace on and limp for the rest of your life, He healed him completely and he walked away.
Sid: (Laughing) Hey I like that analogy. What were some of things were you at that point doing things like vomiting to get rid of your food?
Laura: I began in high school I really reach a point “You know what I’m miserable.” And I believed the cause of this was because of my weight. And so initially just stopped eating, ate very very little for about 8 to 9 months and very quickly lost about 100 pounds. And at that point couldn’t starve any more so I began binging and purging, throwing up to try to maintain that weight. Of course is just another destructive cycle, I was switching from one thing to another.
Sid: So why were you getting suicidal?
Laura: I had this depression, I hated who I was, I hated everything about myself. I had some hurts and wounds and things that had happened to me and never really dealt with those things. I had a very good family but still you know everybody makes mistakes, everybody has things that they need to work through. I hated everything about me and that eating disorder was part of that attempt to like myself better. I figured if I could change that outward appearance then maybe I’d like myself better. But you know that didn’t change anything on the inside.
Sid: But you actually became suicidal.
Laura: I did I tried to commit suicide several times. I really… my life…
Sid: Did you have any thought if what would happen or just so… in such turmoil that you didn’t think about what’s the repercussion of committing suicide?
Laura: Well no my thinking at that point at gotten to so… I don’t want to say psychotic because I wasn’t psychotic but your thoughts get so jumbled in that depression. And really my life was so miserable I mean unless you’ve been there I don’t know that you can understand. Just the depths of just despair in a depression like not wanting to get out of bed, not wanting to see the light of day. And you really get to a point your like “If this is what life is, if the rest of my life is going to feel like this I don’t want it, I want out.” And so you’re not thinking past, okay what’s going to happen if I kill myself, you think “This is a way out, I want out.”
Sid: So you when you were say cutting yourself with your arms with knives or razors, was that to commit suicide or was that just to infect pain?
Laura: It was a way to deal with that emotion pain, it was a relief. And I didn’t do that very much, once I got into the eating disorder that kind of replaced that. Because eating disorder was also a way to attempt to cope with that pain, that inner pain that I had.
Sid: So they did admit you to a psychiatric hospital and what did they do there?
Laura: I was admitted several times, the first few times I was actually on an eating disorders unit. I was very rebellious. I was not really open to changing my life at that point. You know that medicated, put me on medicine. I learned some more tricks from these other girls on the eating disorder unit. And pretty much it was get you medicated and get you stable and then send you home. And that was pretty much the main focus of the psychiatric hospitalization.
Sid: Okay, when you started your junior year it says here that you were a size 26.
Laura: Um, hm.
Sid: And you went down to what?
Laura: That was the beginning of my junior year, by the end of that junior year I was probably down to like a 14.
Sid: Now that junior year was this high school or college?
Laura: High school, this is in high school.
Sid: Okay, so were you happy with the way you looked?
Laura: Well no, I mean I still didn’t like the way that I looked.
Sid: How was it affecting your health though with losing so much weight so quickly?
Laura: I would blackout, my hair was falling out, I would bruise because I just had no nutrition. You know by that point when I was making myself throw-up you have chronic just heart burn and those sorts of things. A few years later as I got into college my health deteriorated even more. And at that point I started abusing laxatives as well. And that messes with your electrolyte system. And eventually was very close to having a heart attack.
Sid: What about your parents, weren’t they concerned?
Laura: Oh, they were very concerned, you know in the beginning I don’t think they realized fully what was going on?
Sid: How could they not? I mean how did they think that you were losing so much weight?
Laura: You know I hid things pretty well, part of having an eating disorder is lying, I mean I lied I flat out lied to my parents.
Sid: So it’s equivalent to almost a drug addict will lie to get their drugs and they’ll do things that are unbelievable. So you’re saying that people in eating disorder would actually slip into that mode?
Laura: Well you become very manipulative, I loved my parents and didn’t want to hurt them but on the other hand I didn’t want them to know what was going on. And obviously once I began to lose drastic amounts of weight they knew, and they intervened. I was seeing counselors, I was seeing…
Sid: Well they sent you to a nutritionist, did this person help you?
Laura: I mean I really hoped that the person would, they gave me a meal plan and I figured “Well that will help me have some structure. But at that point I was so out of control. No amount of external structure was going to solve my problems.
Sid: And the amazing thing to me as I look in her story as one of the wonderful stories, one of the many wonderful stories…. The thing that’s so amazing is that you were maintaining in college then a 4.0 grade average, you were teaching Sunday School, and working a part-time job. And if someone looked at you you’d just say “Oh, that woman really has her life together.”
Laura: That’s exactly what most people thought. And that’s what I’m saying, I was able to hide things very well. I mean I would spend my Sunday I would teach Sunday School, go to church, go out with all my friends and come back to my dorm-room and my roommate would be gone and I’d spend the afternoon binging and purging and no one knew.
Sid: Did you pray to be free of this?
Laura: I did, but you know what I never really learned a lot about God and I was teaching Sunday School but it was somewhat legalistic and I really did not know how to develop that personal relationship.
Sid RothComments Off on Our Guest Katherine Ruonala
Sid: My guest Katherine Ruonala she’s red hot for the Messiah; all the way from Brisbane, Australia where she and her husband pastor a church. And they’ve got teams, ministry teams that move in the supernatural at levels that are consistent with the Bible rather than consistent with religion. And I tell you Katherine before we went on the air one of the things that I got out of the book that I loved is a phrase that you use “Double For Your Trouble.” And recently I slipped and I literally broke my jaw and I’ll tell you what I’ve been running around saying “Devil I’m getting double for my trouble, and I can’t wait to see what I’m going to get.” Is that the way that you feel when you say that?
Katherine: That’s so wonderful. The scripture actually tells us in Isaiah 61 “The former same pain and disgrace He will give us double recompense.” Because God’s loves justice and His form of justice is so much more wonderful than ours. He delights to not only restore and to make miracles out of messes; He wants to bring beauty to ashes even when we haven’t deserved it because of what the Messiah has done for us. I’ve really learned that we need to not waste a drop of our pain, the shame the dishonor. But to sow it in faith and really believe that God wants to not only restore but he wants to use all things to work together for our good. And we’ve seen that happen over and over again I remember when we got somebody that was a bit of dislike to us. Didn’t know me put some things up on the internet about us. I was frustrated and I thought “Oh no, that’s not fair.” And my sweet husband told me “I’m not allowed to watch it; I was not allowed to look at it because it was not good to feast on that stuff.” So we instead rather than retaliating we chose we decided we’re going to respond in the Spirit; we’re going to take that dishonor and we’re going to sow it in faith for double recompense. And we just claim double favor on the internet; double favor with the media. And I tell you very soon after we started to get so much favor on the media; so much favor on the internet; YouTube wanted to pay us on the videos that we were showing the miracles of God on, and just extraordinary how God wants to make all things together for our good. If we’ll choose not to fight in the flesh but instead to respond in faith saying “Lord, I’ve to this; I’ve got some ashes here I’m going to sow in faith to receive beauty; I’ve got some mess here I’m going to sow it in faith; pain, shame, disgrace and I’m going to receive; I’m going to look to you to receive double recompense.” And I’ve seen that over and over again.
Sid: Tell me about the time you were going to England because God had promised you open doors and then you had a dream a very strange dream.
Katherine: (Laughing) you know I really believe the Holy Spirit is the revealer of mysteries and that He does speak through dreams. The Lord had given me a prophetic promise that He was going to open doors to England. And I look to my calendar in faith I’d slotted in a couple of weeks and I said “Okay, Lord I’m going to trust You open those doors.” I didn’t know anybody in England I didn’t contact anybody but I thought I’m going to believe God for this.” But as the time came closer I hadn’t heard anything from anybody from England and I began to worry maybe I was being presumptuous; maybe I didn’t know what was going on. As I went to sleep that night the Lord gave me a dream. In the dream He was bringing me in to sit in this chair suspended in midair and I was getting ready to watch something unfold. And I thought, “These are good seats.” And after a little while I tried to figure out how I was staying up here in the air and then I began to wobble and I woke up. And I said to the Lord “Are You trying to speak to me or was a just hot under the covers?” I looked to Him for help because He was the one that reveals mysteries. And the Lord spoke to “Katherine all these miracles you’ve been seeing have you done that?” And I said “No Lord.” “All of these opportunities I’ve given you have you got them for yourself?” And I said “No Lord.” And He said “Why are you worried about England now?” Well I repented and I said “I’m sorry Lord, I trust you.” Well that day someone wrote to me saying “They’d just seen a video of some of the miracles that we’ve seen, cancer being healed and said it with their pastor in the UK. And this pastor wrote to me and said “We live about 6 miles from where Smith Wigglesworth used to minister; we’ve been believing for God to release the miracle power again in this region and just saw your video on the internet; would there be any chance you could come and visit us and minister for us?” And I smiled and I said “Actually I’ve got this 2 week gap that I could come.” And you know as a result God is opened up all of the UK to us and we travel now; I travel all over the world by the grace of God. And God’s really taught me that we need to learn what it is to rest in Him; we are seated with Him in heavenly places. And that’s the place where the miracle working power flows from. That’s the place where we’re to learn what it is to rest in His company to lean on our Beloved. And I really believe that it’s from that place that God wants to show us His secrets. And even now I feel the Holy Spirit’s speaking to me about somebody who is listening to this program and is suffering from terrible pain with arthritis; particularly in your knuckles but it’s actually all through your body. And right now in fact I see you sitting in an arm chair and right now I believe the Spirit of God is coming upon you and God is setting you free. I thank you Holy Spirit for your grace just flowing over them right now. Somebody else has a very difficult pain in their foot particularly in the bunion area of their foot; the big toe joint there. God’s touching you and healing you right now as you listen to this. And somebody else I believe you’ve been diagnosed with brain cancer. We’ve seen God heal amazingly so many cases of cancer, but I believe right now this person listening God is touching you. I thank You Holy Spirit that You touch and You restore. I thank You for deliverance and healing right now by the power of Your Holy Spirit. Thank you Lord we celebrate what You’re doing You’re so wonderful Jesus. And you know even as I’m speaking this I’m seeing somebody else who has stomach cancer and God’s going to touch you right now. Just thank Him for it, thank You Lord. Oh Father, You are amazing, You are so good at restoring; Lord I release Healing in the Name of Your Son Yeshua. Father, I thank you for your healing anointing in Jesus Name. Amen.
Sid: You know as you were praying the presence of God was noticeably, discernibly increased almost like a river. And what I believe is yes, everyone that had that word of knowledge that’s yours. But whether Katherine said that word or not by His stripes you were healed. And there’s a river flowing and you just step right into that river with whatever condition you have and take it it’s yours because “The gifts and calling of God are without repentance.” That means if one person can be healed everyone can be healed so go for it…. she says that you will stop the struggle for the miraculous and learn to be a gateway that God can step right through. That’s what’s going on with you right now. You are a gateway and God is stepping right through you into your body healing everything that needs to be healed. Katherine talked about arthritic conditions in fingers but it’s arthritic conditions in any place. And as a matter of act Katherine I know that you have an anointing for ears; would you pray against ringing in the ears and for ears to open right now.
Katherine: Yes, I want to do that right now; and I also sense those listening I sense a cloud of the Spirit the Spirit of God and whatever you need you can just reach out and take that right now. Because the Holy Spirit is wanting to touch you; I thank You that Your wanting to minister right now. I come against the ringing in the ears for those that are looking to You for help. I speak against deafness right now and I release the presence of God for ears to be opened. I thank You that Your sharpening hearing and Your sharpening eyesight. I release Your presence; I thank You Holy Spirit that You are touching, and restoring. I thank you too for back pain particularly for someone with it in their lower back. I thank You for the hand of God touching and being restoration now. Whatever you need just reach out and receive it the presence of God is present with you whether you’re in your car or in your room I believe the Holy Ghost is present right now. We come into agreement with His desire to touch you and restore you. We want to hear too about those miracles. Make sure you send us your testimonies this is so exciting. God is the same yesterday, today and forever. And by His stripes we are healed.
Sid: I could not agree more with Katherine has been prophesying right now. It’s anything you need it’s a flow it’s a river of God’s Spirit. And I believe that people have wrist problems bend your wrist and you’ll see that you don’t have any problems any more. Katherine there is such a flow of God’s Spirit. Well how would you like Katherine to come to your house and have the flow of that Spirit and all things are possible….
Sid: Now I have a passion to see people physically healed. Why? Because that’s Bible. When people are physically healed they recognize the Kingdom of God has invaded the natural realm and they become open to believing in God. Now in particular Jewish people, this is what the Bible says “The Jew requires a sign.” And it’s the job of the Gentile Christian to communicate the gospel to Jewish people. You may not have known that but Romans 11:11 says “Salvation has come to the Gentle to provoke the Jew to jealousy.” And the Jew requires a sign and when the Jew comes in then the reason that Jesus came in Ephesians it says “Jesus came to break down the middle wall of separation between Jews and Gentles. And when that Jew comes in there is an explosion called the “One New Man” or the Body of Messiah. And that explosion is about ready to happen when Gentle Christians become mature in the faith. In light… now you understand what makes me tick now that you understand that I have on the telephone Sheri Stone. I’m speaking to her at her home in Coeur d’Alene, Idaho. And Sheri you developed cancer, at the time you developed cancer you were a believer in Jesus. Did you believe that Jesus heals the way He does in the Bible today?
Sherri: No, I didn’t
Sid: But you yet you had some people pray for you. Tell me about that.
Sherri: I believed that if I was supposed to live I was supposed to die I was supposed to die and these people just chose to pray differently than what I thought. And they prayed for my complete healing and that’s what happened. Through the doctors claiming that the cancer was gone, I was healed.
Sid: Now what type of cancer was it?
Sherri: It was a thyroid cancer.
Sid: When you realized you were healed that you were healed did this just turn your world upside down in your beliefs in the Bible?
Sherri: (Laughing) I always believed in the Bible, I always believed God’s word but at that point I figured God had given me a reprieve.
Sid: Hm. Well what changed that thinking?
Sherri: Ten years later when I received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.
Sid: Now why did that change you thinking?
Sherri: My entire thought pattern changed. I knew that I knew then. I knew what God had, I knew that the discernment’s were real, that the discernment’s were strong. And I just knew that without a doubt what He really wanted for us, what His true plan was for us and it wasn’t death.
Sid: Now you have tremendous faith that if you get sick or if anyone gets sick that God wants to heal them but there seems to be a misconnect with a lot of people who also believe. But you saw not just yourself being healed but members of your family. For instance your husband got cancer, what kind of cancer did he get?
Sherri: It was intestinal.
Sid: And what happened?
Sherri: (Laughing) He was healed.
Sid: What was done? Were hands laid on him, did he just believe?
Sherri: He wasn’t a believer. He was not a born again Christian believer. And the new church that I had just gone to had told me that he needed to be healed. And well that’s great but he’s going to have to go through surgery first. I still wasn’t a believer in healing per say, I believed that God did what He chose to. And he was healed, completely healed.
Sid: So you prayed for him.
Sherri: I prayed for him but I also thought even at that time and I wasn’t… I didn’t have the baptism at that time. At that time I figured God would heal him one way or the other, either through surgery, etcetera, etcetera, or whatever. Actually he’d been given a year to live.
Sid: Hm. Okay, so you get healed from cancer.
Sherri: Hmm, hm.
Sid: Your husband gets healed from cancer and then your son gets a tumor in the brain.
Sherri: The doctor said that it was a tumor, he didn’t know if it was cancerous, but they were going to perform a surgery and he also was healed before the surgery. He had it for 10 years so.
Sid: Well so how come your family gets healed so easily?
Sid: Why is that, explain that to me Sherrie?
Sherri: God wanted me to know what He wanted and what He plans for our lives. And He wanted me to know that…I’m going to go back as a child. I was constantly worried about dying and that’s fear. God determined that dying is not God’s choice for us until a certain age, a certain time. And that’s later on in our life we have work here on earth to do. But I didn’t know that and so I wallowed I guess into that type of self-pity and worry and fret. And the scriptures talks about Job and the fear that he feared the most came upon him and that I was my fear of dying of cancer. And unfortunately several members of my family went through the same thing. Fortunately for us God healed all of us.
Sid: Now answer this, if someone is brand new and just become a believer and they read the Bible and you tell them there is healing by just laying hands or anointing with oil. I believe that they’ll get healed so simply. But it seems as though someone can believe that and then after they’ve been a believer for a long period of time they develop unbelief because they’ve prayed a lot and they haven’t seen people healed. And they literally are walking in unbelief; or they might say a religious statement as God works in such mysterious ways. We just don’t understand He wants to heal one person, He doesn’t want to heal another. Now that doesn’t correspond with the Bible. So what do advice… someone that has experienced the healings as you have and you’re family and the people you’ve prayed for. What advice would you give someone who’s hardened in unbelief and they kind of know it but they don’t know what to do about it what advice would you give them.
Sherri: Well I was in that position some years ago. I said “Okay God “How do I know that that’s really what you want?” And He said “Read Matthew.” And I said “Well that’s all genealogies you know, He said “Read Matthew.” I did, that is what I suggest they do they read Matthew, there is not one place in Matthew it all talks about healing that says “Well because they doubted or because they didn’t do this or because they were a bad person or etcetera they can’t be healed. Every last one of those people in Matthew were healed without exception. And that’s what proved to me that’s what God wants.
Sid: But okay, someone knows that’s what God wants but they’ve been walking in this unbelief for so long. Have you got a suggestion of how they can take this package called unbelief and just throw it out of themselves?
Sherri: Wow! That’s quite a question.
Sid: That’s my job. (Laughing)
Sherri: (Laughing)…Right there, in my case I went to Matthew and read it. I claimed it, I claimed it for myself, and I claimed what God has. And I was a person who had little belief when I was younger. I didn’t believe that I was precious enough or special enough to have any of these things happening to me. And so unbelief was very real and very strong. And God said “Take it as a seed.” The scripture about having little faith as a mustard seed, that’s what I did. Said, “Okay, this is all the faith that I have, make that into the mighty tree” and He did. And step by step, little by little it was perseverance, it was reading the word, it was being in the Spirit, it was rebuking and binding the anxiety and the fear. The fear is the main thing and that’s a spirit.
Sid: I wonder if unbelief could be a spirit.
Sherri: It definitely is.
Sid: Well then, that’s the answer to my question, we just bind unbelief and tell it “Bye, bye no COD we’re not paying for you today.”
Sherri: All of that comes from fear and my whole life was based on fear as a youngster and as a young woman, a young wife and mother.
Sid: And we know from the Bible that fear is a spirit.
Sherri: “For God has not given us the spirit of fear but of power, of love and of sound mind.
Sid: Sherri, our times slipping away.
Sid: Tell me about the book we’re offering “Miracles Still Happen.” Why did you write this?
Sherri: I was concerned, I was actually more than concerned about what was happening in the media and God was performing miracles all over. We knew that, we know it He’s performing through us and people all over the world. And I was concerned the media wasn’t producing anything especially the Christian media. I asked God why there wasn’t somebody out there that talked about miracles, books, etcetera. And in return I heard “Well you have miracles.” And I said “Not enough for a book.” And he said “You have friends.” And that’s how we started the book, we had a coauthor Therese Marszalek. And we got together, wrote letters and sent out 300 letters to people we knew who either had miracles or would know someone that had miracles. Received more than 100 in return and that’s how the book started.
Sid: Now, what do you believe will happen, the title of the book is “Miracles Still Happen.” Subtitle “Inspiring Real-life Stories of Supernatural Intervention.” What is your belief when someone reads story after story after story of God invading the natural realm with the miraculous?
Sherri: This book was intended for crossover market Christian’s and non-Christians because Christians many of us, many of them do not believe that miracles are for today. This is especially for them because these miracles are today. There happening all over the world. And they’re all miracles that have been documented and verified. It’s also for the unbelievers so they know that there is a God and He does miracles and He loves them.
Sid: Well let me tell you something your faith is very contagious…
Sid: Now my guest is Eddie James and I was teasing you a little yesterday to get you to come back but I can’t wait for you to hear this story. Eddie James is provoking me to jealousy, and that’s what the Gentiles are supposed to do, but he’s being equipped he’s being prepared. Literally he saw revival breakout in his high school but tell me the story about the Jewish synagogue.
Eddie: Ah, this is so awesome, so I had no idea Sid that there were those of our Jewish, in our Jewish roots that had questions concerning whether Jesus was the Messiah or not. I had no idea. I just knew that they were the people of God, that Jesus was a Jew.
Sid: Now you probably didn’t even know any Jewish people did you?
Eddie: Never had met one in my life, never knew one at all. And so we were invited to take my gospel choir from my high school during February, which is traditionally known as African American history month, black history month. So they wanted to have some gospel music be brought into the Jewish Synagogue in Phoenix, Arizona where I’m from. They wanted to have us introduce some music to them. So I was excited about the opportunity and humbled by it. I said “Lord, You would give me the opportunity to go and minister before the people who are naturally by birth they’re your people. And so I was so blown away at the privilege that I fasted and I prayed and I fasted and I prayed. I put my entire choir on a fast. We’re talking about sophomores and football players and freshmen; we’re talking about seniors and juniors. We’re not talking about older people we’re talking about 14, 15, 16 and 17 year olds. We’re all fasting and we’re all praying that we would love the Jewish people and that we would release to them what God’s put in us and that we were humble as Gentiles we would be able to minister before them. So we went, and remember taking the bus that the school gave us and we’re praying in the Holy Ghost all the way there. Because I told them, these are people you don’t want to do wrong. The Bible says, “If we bless the Jewish people God will bless us, but if we hurt them we’re in great trouble.” So we need to go with a full prayer and intercession on, we need to make sure we do this. And we get there and Sid I preached Jesus, I preached the Holy Ghost, I preached the cross, I preached the blood…
Sid: This is a traditional Jewish synagogue. Did you know what you were doing?
Eddie: No idea.
Eddie: I had no idea, I’m from a church concept that you don’t ever go into another person’s church on what they don’t believe in. I won’t go into a church that they don’t believe in tongues because that would be insensitive to that movement. I could be trusted and so had I known I probably wouldn’t have done this but I most likely would not have done this. But I just naturally assumed because they were Jewish people and that Jesus was the Messiah and that Jesus was Jewish I just naturally assumed that they were all on board.
Eddie: (Laughing) I still didn’t understand this and so I go in and I’m giving everything I’ve got.
Sid: Are you praying in tongues too publicly?
Eddie: We spoke in tongues, we danced, we shouted, we laid hands, we…
Sid: (Laughing) You laid hands on them?
Eddie: The whole bit, charismatic as Acts Chapter 2 as you can get it. We were… I’m talking about all in and the whole audience every single one of them responded to the altar call. Praise…
Sid: The synagogue? All the Jews in the synagogue responded? Was the altar call to receive Jesus?
Eddie: Yeah, I opened up an altar call for people to get saved, I said…
Sid: Eddied never, never get sophisticated and never get to the point where you’ll never do that again. That’s wonderful, I wish every Christian would do that!
Sid: Go into your synagogues it’s time (Laughing) I’m sorry, go ahead I couldn’t resist.
Eddie: I didn’t realize the gravity of what happened until months later, I didn’t even realize the gravity. We went in and we were crying, I was so humbled. I was just like “God, I want to do this right, it was a set up, it was a Holy Ghost set up my ignorance was a Holy Ghost set up. It was God because when it was all said and done the Rabbi’s all the people that were a part of the synagogue, every single one of them received Jesus as Lord and Savior of their lives. I thought the Rabbis and the leaders there I thought that they were just saying the prayer for the sake of you know how sometime churches will all join in to help.
Eddie: No, they were receiving Jesus as Lord and Savior of their lives.
Sid: Eddie, I can’t help but want to hear a song… it’s called “He’s alive.” What’s the story behind that song?
Eddie: Oh goodness, so we’re all… I’m sure your familiar with Chuck Pierce and I was getting for ministering with him in Dallas, Texas. As we get ready to minister, this song just came into my spirit like it just hit me. I was actually in a hotel at the time preparing my song list and getting ready and praying asking the Lord what I would do. And just it was like a visit of the Holy Spirit hit me in my hotel room and this song “He’s Alive” just came into my spirit. We sang it that weekend and it was absolutely explosive.
Sid: Now in other words are you telling me that this whole song was downloaded to you at that time?
Eddie: Yes sir, yes sir. I didn’t have to sit down and try to figure it out, write it out or anything. The only reason he had typed it up was so that they could help to you know copyright the song. But the moment it came to me the music, the lyrics, the whole thing it was a download in my spirit.
Sid: Now you said it was like a shofar blast, explain that.
Eddie: When the song came this… Sid I don’t know why God does this to me but I hear trumpets, I hear really it’s like the rams horn, the shofar. I hear that sound, it blasted into my spirit and this is what’s interesting is that when I got the download and I heard that in my spirit. When I got to the Chuck Pierce conference there were people in there as I sang the song in sound check, just in sound check they started blasting that same ram’s horn sound. That same sound I heard in my hotel they blasted that at that exact same moment in sound check. We weren’t even performing in service yet we were just doing sound-check.
Sid: Well my guest is red hot for the Messiah. You’d be red hot for the Messiah always if you always saw miracles. Now my guest says he always sees miracles when he does 3 things. Kynan Bridges what are those 3 things?
Kynan: The first thing that must be present if you want to consistently see the miraculous especially those that are in ministry or even if you’re not in ministry where ever you are is proclaim the kingdom. You know the kingdom of God is one of the most important and powerful forces in the earth realm. I mean there is nothing more powerful than God’s kingdom. The kingdom of God is the government of God, the rule of God and the domain of God. So when we proclaim the Kingdom and Jesus Yeshua as King it automatically manifests a culture of the miraculous. The second thing that you must do is develop an atmosphere, or cultivate an atmosphere of the Holy Spirit. You know a lot of time when I’m ministering to people I’m in a place where there’s a need for healing for example I was in a Healing School and we were conducting one and there were 1000’s of people present. I’m preaching and it was like I was hitting a brick wall and the Holy Spirit began to direct me. I began to shift the focus away from trying to see the healings to really making room for the Holy Ghost. And He began to give me words of knowledge, words of wisdom. And all of a sudden the Holy Spirit turned my attention to the strongman in the room, the strongman was unforgiveness. And as I began to address unforgiveness healings began to breakout automatically. So we have to have a culture or an atmosphere of the Holy Spirit in our churches, in our churches, in our synagogues, wherever we are. We have to learn to develop a culture of the Holy Spirit. Number 3 Sid you have to be determined. You know this is not for the faint at heart. The Bible says that “The kingdom of God suffers violence and the violent take it by force.” Some translations say “Press into it.” So we have to be violent emissaries not in the physical realms but in the spiritual realms of the kingdom. You know 2nd Corinthians 10 says “The weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty through God to the pulling down of strongholds.” That word picture is literally demolishing, to tear down. That is not something that happens if you just say “I tried it and it didn’t work, I laid hands on that person and they didn’t get healed, I prayed for that sickness to go and it didn’t happen.” You have to be determined, you have to not relent until you see breakthrough.
Sid: Now what do you mean by cultivating an atmosphere of the Holy Spirit? Explain that.
Kynan: What I’m talking about is presence, remember the Bible says in Genesis chapter 1 it says “That in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth and the earth was without form and void. And darkness was over the face of the deep and the Spirit of God hovered, or brooded, over the face of the waters.” And it said it said “God said let there be light.” Now there is a spiritual principal, it’s called the law first principal. We see something in the scripture first and it’s really a precedence throughout the scriptures. And what that precedence is that before there can ever be miraculous manifestation there must be the presence of God. We have to learn how to recognize, invite and invoke God’s presence everywhere we go. We do that by becoming sensitive to the Holy Spirit. We have to be intimate with the Holy Spirit. We have to have a relationship with the Holy Spirit because He is the One that is going to facilitate healings and miracles. So if we want to see them more we have to create… it’s almost like a greenhouse Sid. It’s almost like setting a thermostat to the right temperature so that the atmosphere is conducive for miracles. I don’t know if that makes sense.
Sid: Not only does it make sense while you were speaking that’s what was happening. The whole atmosphere is filled with the presence of the Living God. Which means that if you proclaim healing right now Kynan I believe people are going to be healed. Would you do that?
Kynan: In fact, there’s someone listening right now and they’ve been having a problem with cataracts, I feel the anointing all over me. Cataracts are literally being supernaturally healed. There’s someone whose had a problem with their back, their lower back, and the Holy Spirit is fusing the bones together in the lower back and the pain is leaving right now by the power of the Lord Jesus. There’s another person that has had diabetes and they don’t believe that they can ever get healed of that. But there’s enough anointing presence right now if you will just stretch your hands right where you are the Lord’s even changing. He’s giving you a brand new pancreas by the power of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Sid: Well I’ll tell you what I see people with metal in their hips and even anywhere in their body I see it turning to bone. If you would step into that presence of the Holy spirit, I command the metal to turn to bone in Jesus name. Arthritis in the fingers, it’s gone in Jesus’ name. Kynan, I am so concerned about Christians that are ignorant to the fact that demons cause a lot of sickness and therefore you have to get after that demon for the person to have the healing. For instance, what’s your experience with cancer?
Kynan: Well I believe as many, many people who have written literature on the subject like the late Smith Wigglesworth; I believe that cancer is a demonic spirit. Now let me clarify something because this is how the devil works when a person hears that they think “Well are you saying that I’m demonic?” No, no I said cancer is a demon; you are not your cancer. And that’s the first thing that has to happen for the person to be healed. They must divorce themselves from their sickness and no longer own that sickness any more. So I believe that when people understand by the discernment of spirits that what they’re dealing with is a demonic spirit. Like cancer, I have seen… the Lord showed me by revelation that cancer is the spirit of death. It is a manifestation of the spirit of death and many people are praying “Lord heal my cancer, heal my cancer.” Instead of saying “Lord I rebuke this demon spirit, that’s trying to take my life.” Until you understand the nature of what you’re dealing with you can’t properly address it. So I believe that cancer Sid is actually a demonic spirit.
Sid: And I believe that people are going to be set free from cancer right now as you pray for them just the way you explained.
Kynan: Father, in the name of Jesus I curse the Spirit of cancer, I come against bone marrow cancer, I come against leukemia, Hodgkin’s lymphoma, melanoma, brain cancer. I come against cancer of the ovaries, the cervix, colon cancer and any other form of cancer Lord. Right now I curse it by the roots just like Jesus cursed the fig tree and I command that cancer cell and the production of cancer cell to be die right now. And I speak life to those healthy cells and command them to come forth. That the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made them free from the law of sin and death, therefore cancer must leave their mortal bodies right now, in the name of Yeshua.
Sid: And I pray that any damage done is totally healed with the healing virtue, in the name and the power and the majesty of Yeshua the Messiah of Israel. Kynan, share with me briefly one testimony of someone where you cast the spirit out, the demon out and they got healed.
Kynan: Well there are many (Laughing), but for example there was a lady who had been having ear infections, chronic ear infections for years. She’s an adult, she has children but I mean debilitating ear infections where she would have to go to the hospital and have fluid in her ear. So one day she came to one of our meetings and I simply cast out the spirit of infirmity. You remember Jesus prayed for the woman that was bowed over for 18 years and He said “Woman, thou are loosed from your infirmity.” He never prayed for her healing, He loosed the infirmity that had her bound. And so I prayed over this woman and I said “I release that infirmity from your body.” Sid she has never had a single ear infection since then.
Sid: Hmm, and if you had prayed for just a healing I don’t believe that she would have been healed.
Kynan: You know can I say this I just feel the Holy Spirit to say this? Notice when I shared the vision of the Lord Jesus that I had. One of the things that was so important was love and compassion. You see at the core, at the core of Jesus’ ministry and His healing of the sick was a heart of compassion. And there’s someone listening right now Sid that has been bound with bitterness, resentment, rejection. And that thing has literally been clogging the flow of God’s miraculous healing in their lives. And I just want to release the love of God over you because God wants everyone to know that’s listening that He loves them. In fact every act of healing that ever will be and ever has been has been a manifestation of God’s great love for us. Thank you Lord.
SID: Shane Warren had a defining moment when he was just 12 years of age. He learned how to access the presence of God. But he couldn’t really teach it to others. He really didn’t have a handle on it. No one else was talking about it. You told me during the break, what is your greatest joy.
SHANE: Well it’s really what the scripture says what my greatest joy should be, is to hear the voice of the Father. That was Jesus’ greatest joy was to hear the voice of the Father, and to respond to that voice. And that should be our greatest joy as well. The Bible says, “The voice of the Lord is upon the trees, it’s upon the rivers, it’s upon the rocks, it’s upon the mountains.” The voice of the Lord is speaking clearly. The Bible says there 10,000 voices in the world and none of them are without significance. But there’s only one voice that will really change your life. And so every believer needs to practice hearing the voice of God and learn how to hear the voice of God.
SID: One of the things that you told me is when you’re by yourself and you want to hear the voice of God, you want to be caught up to the Throne of God. There are certain things you do. Would you teach us some?
SHANE: Absolutely. In fact, I had been practicing this for years. And then a teacher came to our church, dear friend, Bob Sorti, great preacher, came to the church and began to teach on worship, and he started giving me keys of things that God had been showing me. I just didn’t know how to put it in words. But it’s really simple. In Hebrews, chapter 4, Hebrews, chapter 10, the Bible says, “We have access into the presence of God by the blood of Jesus.” Every believer because of the blood and the sacrificial work of Christ has access into the Throne Room. Hebrews, chapter 10 says, “That by the sprinkling of blood that we can come into the holiest place in the universe.” The holiest place in the universe is not just the Throne Room. Angels are in the Throne Room. But those of us who have been redeemed get to go deeper. There’s a whole other relationship with the redeemer. So we get to go not to the Throne Room, but we’re invited to come be seated in Christ in heavenly places to the throne itself. So I simply, in my private time, I say, “Lord,” I quote Hebrews, chapter 10, “Lord, sprinkle my conscience with your blood.” The number one thing that keeps people out of the presence of God is they fail on a daily basis and their evil conscience tells them they’re not worthy to come into God’s presence. But the blood of Jesus is what makes us worthy to come into the presence of God. So I say, “Lord, sprinkle me with that blood, fresh new, and wash my conscience.” And then I just ascend and make my way. And I say, “Daddy, here I am. I’m back. I’m back to be in your presence.” And then—
SID: Wait a second. You do this by faith or do you do this, it happens so often you know that’s what is going to happen. I mean, what is going on? I’m logical.
SHANE: Sure. Everything spiritual is accessed by faith. It doesn’t have to be understood to be partaken of. Why do we have to always explain the mysterious. Sometimes God just wants us to step out in faith and enter into those places that some men just fear to try. And so what I’ve done is I’ve just said, I’m normal enough to believe that God said I can have this. I’m going to have it. So I say, “Lord, by the blood, you said to come boldly to the throne of grace. I don’t have to back in. I don’t have to be scared of anything. Jesus died on the cross to give me access to the very Throne of God, to obtain mercy and health in a time of trouble. So just by the blood, I just barge in. You know, when my son at 22 years old comes to my house, he doesn’t knock on my door. He doesn’t ask me if he can get anything out of the refrigerator. He just barges in and gets it. Do you know why? Because he understands the power of sonship. And when you understand the power of being a son and what the blood has bought for you, you can make your way into his presence at any time. You can do it at the factory while you’re working on the line. You can do it in the car driving down the road. You can do it in church or you can do it in your house in the kitchen while you’re washing dishes. I do it all the time. And every believer has that right. This is the right of every [unintelligible].
SID: You know what it reminds me of? There was a book I read many years ago called, “Practicing the Presence of God”. Was it Brother Lawrence?
SHANE: Brother Lawrence, yes.
SID: Is that what you’re talking about?
SHANE: Honestly, I’ve never read that book. All I did was read the Bible and the Bible said it.
SID: Sounds good to me.
SHANE: And the Bible tells me what the holiest place of the universe is. In John, chapter 1, the Bible says, “Jesus dwelt in the bosom, the lap of the Father.” And I said, you mean I’ve been given an invitation by the blood of Jesus to the holiest place in the universe, and the holiest place in the universe is the lap of daddy? Well when I used to be a kid and I would get off the bus, I would run to my grandfather who sat on the front porch, just to jump into his lap. It was my greatest joy. And God the Father said to me, “Well you’re a son. Then why can’t you just run by the blood to the throne and jump in my lap like you did your grandfather, because I’m better than your grandfather. I’m a better father than your grandfather or your dad, and I’ve given you this invitation. We have an invitation by the blood of Jesus into the holiest place of the universe. And when you get there, God is talking to the son and the son is talking to the Father, and then you can do what Jesus did. Jesus said, “I don’t do anything lest I hear the Father say it. Or I don’t do anything that I don’t see him do.” That’s how Jesus lived and that’s how every believer needs to live.
SID: I want you right now to be like the child. In order to have this access, there’s only one requirement. You have to tell God you’re sorry for the mistakes you’ve made in your life and you have to believe the blood of the Lamb of God that takes away the sins of the whole world has washed you clean. And you have to make with your mouth a profession, Jesus, you are my Lord. Say that out loud right now. You say that out loud.
SID andSHANE: Jesus, you are my Lord.
SID: Believe in your heart. You’ve already spoken with your mouth. And you shall be a child of the Living God with access to God. Go jump in his lap right now like a child. Right now.
Sid: I have Pat Schatzline on the telephone, and Pat you told me last night had a dream in which I was in it. And I’d like you to tell me exactly what God told you to deliver.
Pat: Last night I fell asleep and was excited about our time again today and Sid somewhere between 4 AM and 5 AM I had a dream this morning and I’m sitting with you and we were in the audience I didn’t know where it was at. Well we were sitting at a desk and I turned to you and the Lord said “You tell him that I have not given him a spirit of fear but I’ve given him authority and I’m opening doors on his behalf. He cannot accept anything the enemy says.” And then He says “You tell the audience those that are listening if you’re walking through fear that God has not given us a spirit of fear but a power of love and soundness of mind.” And I need to tell you audience those that are listening right now He said that “I can break depression, fear and discouragement and My joy can overwhelm.” But Sid it was so clear in this dream and I don’t have a great deal of dreams, I’m not an every night dreamer. But He said to me, and I wrestled with it, He said you tell Sid that fear has tried to overwhelm him for what I wanted him to do to stop and to let me do it.”
Sid: Sounds good to me. One of the messages we’re… the title is “Why is God So Mad at Me?” Now you have done a number of meetings with young people who are what are called cutters where they cut themselves. And by the time they hear this message not only do they get free from cutting but what happens to their scars?
Pat: You know it started happening 4 years ago at a big festival at Monterey, California. My son came to me and I had just got done speaking and he said “Dad, there’s a bunch of students that want to meet with you.” And I had spoken to about 30,000 and I said “Son, I’m tired I flew all night to get here.” He goes dad, you got to do this.” So I go outside and youth pastors are holding their teenagers with their arms out. And I said “Hey, what’s happening?” And the Youth Pastors are weeping going “Their scars disappeared in the middle of your service.” First time it happened. Blood is still in some of their arms where they’d been cutting that morning in their tents at this festival, but their scars are gone. Sid but then it began to happen all over the place.
Sid: Now just out of curiosity are you saying, proclaiming that this is going to happen, or just because of the power and the anointing it just happens.
Pat: It just happens and you know what when I’m in the middle of speaking t and God will say “Tell them right now.” And I just did that in Indianapolis with about 7,000 teenagers and I said “God says that if you’re a cutter your scars will disappear.” I just go on preaching and all of a sudden a beautiful little girl comes running up after the service and I’m at the table and she’s dancing and I said “Sweetheart, what’s going on?” And she started dancing and I said “Sweetheart what’s going on because we have such a wounded generation. She said “I was raped by my father, I was raped by my stepfather, and I was raped by my boyfriend. A beautiful 16 year old girl and she said “And I’m a cutter.” But when you said that I looked down and she peeled back her band-aides. And she said “Sir, all my cuts are gone.” You know Sid, I asked God “I said “God, why do you do that, a very strange manifestation?” And He said Son, “When the love of a Father enters in when I break that orphan spirit I not only heal the inside but I can transform the outside.” And this happens all over the place when we go in. People that cut which cutting is controlled pain, people cut themselves. I’ve got family members that are not kids that cut themselves and they do it because it’s the only pain they can control and it becomes addictive. It’s a high it’s almost like a drug. And so when God enters in and begins to heal them the inside he can manifest healing on the outside. And I have met over and over… one young lady I was speaking at an event and she was watching on the internet. She had cut herself so much even on her face that I’m preaching a message in the book “Weeping Lions of Glory Lambs.” She’s watching on the internet; goes into the bathroom in Detroit, Michigan to wipe her face off because she had been crying so much that even the cuts on her face were gone. And she actually sent me a Facebook message this morning because she’s telling her testimony at a suicide prevention center.
Sid: One time you shared this message and you had a vision for a couple who had recently lost their son he had died.
Pat: Right, that happened back in November this last year. I’m in Virginia a couple comes up to my table, the pastor’s wife and I’m actually signing a book of all things for someone. The Pastor’s wife whispers to me that this couple really got touched by God tonight. And I said “Okay” and I’m still signing. And she said “Their son was killed 2 months ago in a car accident he was 19 years old in Myrtle Beach. I dropped the book because my ultimate fear would be to lose my 22 year old son. I turn and grab the mother by the hands and she’s talking away. And instantly when I took her hands the Holy Spirit took me to heaven and I saw this tall lanky yet red headed young man worshipping before the throne of God. I immediately… and he had on a red flannel shirt of all things. And I immediately came back to the woman and she’s talking and I said “I have to interrupt you, I need to ask you some things,” I have never done this before. I said “Was your son tall.” And she said “Oh, tall and lanky.” I said “Did he worship with his arms spread out before.” She said “Just like an eagle.” And I said “Was he red headed?” And she said “Absolutely.” I said “I’m going to ask you something even crazier, did your son have a red flannel shirt?” Her teenage daughter who was standing right there, I write about this in the book. Her teenage daughter immediately begins to weep, she said “I go into his room and smell it every day it was his favorite shirt.” And I said “Mam you’ve been worried that your son did not make it to heaven, God told me to tell you that he made it and I saw him worshipping.” She fell out in the spirit, what that means she fell out on the floor and began to cry out to God. Her husband, their all probably my age in their 40’s weeping uncontrollably. He’d been taken from a life of drug addictions and all kinds of things and I put them in the book. In fact the book was at press and I called my publisher and I told them “Hold on I’ve got to add this story because God let me see heaven for this woman.”
Sid: Just out of curiosity, besides seeing her son did you see anything else in heaven?
Pat: Oh, all I saw was the glory of the Lord and I did see the knees and the feet of God on the throne.
Sid: Now when you say you saw the glory of the Lord, tell me what you saw.
Pat: Whenever you see the thick billowing smoke, white smoke in the clouds in the sky when you fly that’s what I saw all around me. In fact it was moving and dancing. And the very lights of heaven were bouncing off of it. And you know Sid I asked the Lord I pray every night “Lord, I want to see heaven.” And I said “Lord, you let me see heaven, why?” And he said “Son, blessed are the pure in heart because they shall see God.” You had no motives when you took her by the hand accept compassion. And compassion is the armor that God gives you to bring forth truth, but compassion is also the doorway to transform lives.
Sid: I’ve noticed when I read in the gospels about miracles and Jesus often that word “compassion” is in there. Have you seen…I think it’s wonderful the scars are disappearing from the cutters but have you seen other types of miracles happen?
Pat: Absolutely, we had a young lady come in a wheelchair completely crippled last year and rolled in. By the end of the service when I said to stand up for the altar call without thinking she had been hurt in an accident was completely handicapped paralyzed, she stood up. She suddenly realized that she was standing, the next thing I know she’s standing on her wheelchair and her mom is on the other end of the cell phone she’s screaming “Momma I’m healed, I’m healed.” And you know even another greater miracle was a 78 year old that came to me and said “Pat I cried all the way thru the service.” I said “Sir, are you okay” 78 years old lived in Canada. He said “You don’t understand that when you began to preach tonight God took me back to when I was 14 and he said “I’ve never been to church before till tonight 78 years old. When I walked my father to the train station he would be getting on a train to go into battle, to leave. He promised me that he would come back but he never came back. As I walked through the snow God gave me a vision, a 78 year old unsaved man said “God gave me a vision as I was walking back through the snow in the woods to go home after watching my father wave goodbye I saw Jesus come through the woods and put his arms around me.” The greatest compassion miracles and he’s just weeping and he just got saved. The greatest compassion miracles are not just physical it’s when God takes that wounded, weary, exhausted scarred person. I would say that the scars on earth are the testimonies in heaven. If you’ve not been through something’s you’re probably not a good soldier. But God and I’ve learned this that it’s impossible to have compassion without first having pain. So if your listening right now and you’ve been through a lot of stuff you know what you’ve been through is a great indication to what you’re called to. It’s how you defeat the enemy. I have compassion for someone that loses a sibling because I lost my sister to a drug overdose. I have compassion for those who have mental illness in their family, why? Because God takes what we been through and uses it for His glory. And not becomes instead of a crutch, it becomes a wing.
Sid: You know I’m hearing some words of knowledge so I’ve got to state them right now. People with arthritis in their hands and in their fingers if you’ll move your fingers, if you’ll move your wrists the joints actually any joint you’re being healed in Jesus Name right now. Have you seen people healed of cancer in your meetings Pat?
Pat: Yes Sir, absolutely in fact we had one little boy 14 years old had been sent home to die they brought him to a service and I walked over to him. I must interrupt this for just one second for a word of knowledge I see someone with a knot on their brainstem in the back of their head. And it is I don’t know if it’s benign or it’s cancerous but it’s back there and you know it’s there and it’s forcing you to have debilitating headaches and migraines and God is dissolving it right now as you’re listening to this. I don’t know who you are but it’s the back of your head at the cranium level. It’s back there about the C4, C5 area of your neck.
Sid: Okay finish the story of the person with cancer that person is healed in Jesus Name go ahead.
Pat: Yeah, it was actually a 12 year old young man in Oklahoma City his mother brought him to the service he had been sent home to die he looked like walking death. I came off the platform and went to lay hands on him and just said “Jesus says you’re healed right now.” The little boy says I believe it and we prayed for him, he goes home. Two days later I get a Facebook message from the Momma. “I took my son back to the hospital today, the doctors say all the cancer is gone. I saw that young man about…”
SID: The, Steven, the Bible says that we are supposed to desire spiritual gifts.
SID: What does that word “desire” mean?
STEVEN: In the Greek, it literally means to be boiling over. Some translations say, “white hot or on fire”. So God wants us to have the spiritual gift. Now some people said, well if the Lord wants me to have them, He’ll just give them to me. But in the Greek, it’s implied we need to go after them. Yes, God wants us to have them, but we have to pursue them. And when we pursue God and He sees that we really want these mighty gifts of the Spirit, He will release them into our lives and the church will be built up and many people will be blessed.
SID: You know, it specifically says we should go after prophecy.
STEVEN: Prophecy is a tremendous gift because prophecy, out of all the nine gifts, I believe is the easiest gift to have up and running in your life. It is so easy to prophesy. Whether it’s the simple gift of prophecy for exhortation, edification or comfort, or even deeper levels of prophecy, which begin to peer deeper into a person’s heart, the gift of prophecy is so easy to move in to. All you have to do is step out in faith when the Holy Spirit begins to move.
SID: I’m going to have Steven step out in faith. However, just as we came back from the break, I began to smell an aroma. In Israel, when Steven was praying for people, I could smell roses. It was the most wonderful smell. Okay. If I was to play a little game with Steven and say a word, except I know what he’s going to say, if I was to say the word “skunk”, tell me what comes to mind.
STEVEN: Well of course, that’s not a good fragrance.
STEVEN: Now see, when these gifts operate we can’t choose or tell the Holy Spirit how to manifest them. It’s as He wills. That’s how they’ll come forth. And He’s doing it now for our profit. Paul said that these gifts are for our profit, not our failure or for our demise. So they’ll put us over into victory. And so one time, I was in a conference and I was a guest speaker, but there were also many other speakers. Now I’ve been to tons of conferences, Sid, so nobody is ever going to know where this was at. Because when I was ministering, a speaker went up and began to minister, that I had never met. I wasn’t familiar with this person. But the moment they began to speak, the fragrance of a skunk went over the entire audience. I smelled the skunk. My wife turned to me and she said, she said, “Steven, I smell a skunk.” I said, “I know,” but I said, “I’m not in charge of the conference, but unfortunately, something is probably going to happen here that’s going to leave a stinky smell.” And some things did happen that almost—
SID: I’ll tell you what. We’re running out of time right now. There’s an urgency for you to pray right now for a release of the gifting that God has already put inside of people, and if God moves you into words of knowledge please be free.
STEVEN: If you want to receive the mighty gifts of the Holy Spirit right where you’re at right now, lift up your hands. A new measure of the anointing of God’s Spirit is coming on you now. Receive the gifts. The gift of prophecy is rising up within you right now. Somebody feels a burning in their hands. That is the gift of healing that has now been granted unto you. Somebody watching me just felt a mantel come right over your shoulders. Those are for the power gifts. Step out in special faith. Step out in gifts of healings and working of miracles. It’s yours. There are people watching right now all over the world who are smelling roses. God is giving you the gift of discerning of the spirits. Somebody is smelling flowers and beautiful floral scents. Lift up your hands and praise the Lord, for these gifts are being bestowed on you right now. And when the Lord gives a gift, He never takes it back. It’s yours for the rest of your life.
SID: You have to tell me, very briefly, you have seen Jesus’ face. What does he look like? What did you sense when you saw his face?
STEVEN: I’ve seen some beautiful paintings of the Lord that are close, but I’ve never seen a painting that’s got him just as who he actually really is. But he is the kindest person I’ve ever met. He is so kind. He is so humble. He has all of this power and all of this authority. He is the head of the complete church in Heaven and Earth, but he is so kind and humble.
SID: You know, did you hear that? How would you like your best friend to be the Creator of the Universe and his major virtue is he’s kind, he’s humble and he’s pure love? His name in Hebrew is Yeshua, in English, Jesus. If you will with your mouth say, “Jesus,” do this with me right now, say out loud, “Jesus, please forgive me for all of my sins. I believe your blood washes them away and now that I am clean, Jesus, come inside of me. I make you Lord of my life.” Amen.
Sid: If you’re not red hot now what are you waiting for? This is the time; did you say “I’ll be red hot in heaven?” Well, let me tell you of course you’ll be red hot in heaven but we need you red hot right now. And if you’re just a lukewarm Christian you ought to see what Jesus says about you in the book of Revelation. “He’ll vomit you out of His mouth” the only option is red hot. Some people say “Well oh that persons a fanatic.” No that person is normal, everyone else is abnormal. “But I want to conform to other people I don’t want to stand out.” Well, you don’t want to stand out you stand out for the devil if you don’t stand out. You know what I’m saying “The only way that you can stand up for God is to stand out. Well, I have a man that stand out his name is Chuck Pierce and I’m interviewing him on a book that I told him I wanted to change the title. I want to call it “Worship Wars” because we really are at war right now. But I’m speaking to Chuck Pierce at his office in Denton, Texas. And Chuck there’s a concept that I have not really focused in before and your book really focuses in this area and it has to do with ascending explain that.
Chuck: Well, it’s so great to be with you again Sid and it was great meeting you in Israel in the midst of a war season in God’s covenant land. I mean actually it will intensify in the days ahead but when we’re grafted into God’s covenant plan and we’re grafted into Abraham’s blessing all of a sudden what we find ourself in the same war in the earth realm that God is joining in to bring forth His covenant blessings today with. And so one of the things I made a statement after 9/11 I said “This is the season that it’s a war season.” It’s a time for war, we find that in Ecclesiastics and I said “The only way that we’re going to win this war is to ascend and worship and descend and war.” Now the Lord actually spoke this to me Sid He said “Ascend into My throne room as you worship and then descend back to the harvest field and war for its release; I’m ready for the harvest to come into My Kingdom.” And so it makes you wonder how does ascending in worship and descending in war work? Well, ascending think of Jacobs ladder you mentioned that yesterday. Think of Jacob’s ladder, if Jacob had an open, he saw the angels ascending and descending; it established God’s presence in the earth realm in a peculiar way. Well, to ascend means to arise, now if you’re listening out there I love Isaiah 60 it says “Arise shine for your light has come and the glory of the Lord has risen upon you.” Arise from the oppression and the depression that has held you down. So when we start worshipping our spirit starts coming into its position in heaven. The word ascend also means to climb, it means to come up. And I love this it means to grown, it means to increase, it means to leap. I mean the Lord can bring such joy into our life when we start worshiping that our spirit leaps. Elizabeth, John the Baptist leaped in Elizabeth’s womb and when he recognized Mary in the midst of Elizabeth carrying the Messiah. The same thing happens with us and also the word ascend means to recover and restore. And so really the issue about ascending is we come to this place where we’re worshipping God and we’re really communing with Him our faith level rises. And “Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God.” The word comes alive to us and all of a sudden our spirit begins to leap and we know God’s plan for our life.
Sid: You talk in your book about the Second heaven and the third heaven; is there a problem that most people never breakthrough that second heaven which is Satan’s realm to get into the throne room?
Chuck: Well, I think most of us live down here in the first heaven actually.
Sid: So first heaven is like earth?
Chuck: It’s like the atmosphere above earth. See Satan we find in Ephesians is the prince of the power of the air so what Satan will do is he will invade the structures of society to conform our mind to the way society thinks. That’s what Romans 1 and 2 is about. But when we begin to worship God we break out of that conforming power of the earth around us we break out of the conforming power of the way the world thinks. All of a sudden our spirit starts rising into that position God’s given in the heavenlies seated next to the Father. Our feet begin to instead of being bogged down in the earth realm your feet gets planted on the enemies head, you quit thinking the same way that the enemy’s thinking and you move forward. Now what happens is that it’s just easy to see first, second, third heaven. You go through an atmosphere where Satan is controlling a structure, that’s the best way to look at it. You break out of the thinking process of that atmosphere and then you ascend into the throne room and while you’re there the Father through the Lord Jesus Christ starts communicating to us. You’ve been given access to come boldly into the throne room and you can know the mind of Christ.
Sid: But why is it Chuck that so many of us seem to have distractions to taking the time to worship.
Chuck: I love and one of the things I don’t know if you remember but in this book I write about the distractions I call them “worship distracters.” There’s so many things in this realm that we life that distract us from God, we quit thinking like Him, we don’t mediate on Him. I was telling you a key to my life is meditation where I’m really thinking on what God is saying.
Sid: Give me one specific example of how you might meditate.
Chuck: Well, I’ll get up and I’ll set my mind on Christ. I usually I’ll tell the Lord how much I love Him, hallow it be His name. I exalt Him for who He is but then what I’m going to do I’m going to start communicating with Him through His word. He’s written us a book if we’ll just get that and start talking to Him. During that time there’s certain times there’s things He’s having me pray for. There’s other things He wants to communicate to me His heart over to pray for. While I’m doing that I will see a scripture will illuminate to me. Well in just in singing to Him I talk about the air in this book and the sound of worship. And by singing to Him and worshipping Him and talking to Him all of a sudden I mean communicating with Him He impresses things on me and I know what to do. And I start pondering those things and then before the end of the day is out I have wisdom. Because I want to say something to us we forget this verse Sid, He tells us if we ask for wisdom we’ll get wisdom. He won’t withhold it from us.
Sid: So why is it so many people say “Okay, I’m not double minded I want wisdom” and they don’t get it.
Chuck: Well, it’s because we’re absorbed in our own way of thinking. We’re really a very independent people and we’re not dependent upon God.
Sid: And that’s actually idolatry isn’t it.
Chuck: It is it’s a form of idolatry I’d have to say one of the life changing scriptures of my life also is in James chapter 4 were it says “Submit yourself to God, resist the devil and then he’ll flee.” See so it takes those are both active words, submit means to stand underneath. Now most of us don’t equate submission to standing, but the word actually in the Greek means to stand underneath. And then when it says to resist or withstand it means to stand against. And what happens to us is most of us never stand underneath God under the shadow of His wings and then we can’t ever resist our enemy. And it takes both dynamics and then the word of God says the enemy will flee. You’ll draw near to God, He’ll draw near to you and you’ll be one and you’ll know how to move forward.
Sid: What are we going to do on tomorrow’s broadcast will you pray for our people?
Chuck: I would love to spend time praying, communicating a few truths to them, things that might be hindering them and touching God and then praying for them. And then let’s just let the Holy Spirit move and He perhaps will tell us some things specifically we need to pray about. If I got just a moment we were just in a meeting in Texas last week and many of you know we’ve been in this war in Iraq and worship was so dynamic. And in the dynamic aspect of worship all of a sudden I felt like I was in heaven and Pastor Dutch Sheets was up there and many of you know him through his book “Intercessory Prayer.” Was up there speaking and all of a sudden I knew that while we were worshiping I knew that while we were in San Antonio. And the Spirit of God said “The war in Iraq will turn within a week.” Well, all I could do which I had the liberty to do was to get up and communicate what God was saying and then He said, “Tell them that the strongman will be found.”
And that was of course a month ago and we’re talking about the guy that was in the bottom of a hole “Saddam Hussein.”
Chuck: And he was an enemy to God’s covenant plan in the earth realm. I’m going to tell you something if you worship God can find your enemy. Many times we get snared by our enemies, we can’t find our enemies, we can’t find what the enemy was doing. Pull aside and submit to God and resist the devil and He will give you revelation of where your enemy is, He’ll intervene on your behalf.
Sid: We don’t have time to go into it but your wife had a tremendous healing with you she was able to have a child. And actually oil went through her veins?
Chuck: She felt like hot oil was being poured through her veins. Of course we were in a denominational church and from the time God set me free from 18 and seriously after I was 24 which I shared earlier in this program I became just an avid seeker of God and a avid worshipper. And Pam was more resistant and when she started worshiping the Spirit spoke this to me He said “The new song will break the old cycle.” And she had never had a normal cycle in our time of marriage that had been over 10 years a normal monthly cycle. And when she shifted into a new form of worship God healed her right there and this is a recorded healing. John Wimber was ministering, this was in January…
Sid: She had endometriosis.
Chuck: She had endometriosis, the Lord intervened not…
SID: Hello. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest, she’s been a guest several times on It’s Supernatural, is Joan Hunter. Now Joan, I have to tell you, we get more responses of people that have had miracles on her show than any other. But she tells me she is moving in some outrageous miracles. Now hold on to your seats. Put the seatbelt on. She tells me now it’s eight breasts have grown back on women. You heard me. Eight breasts have grown back on women. All right. It’s a perfect life, pastor’s life, four beautiful daughters. Everything is going good. Her husband exposes himself. He’s a homosexual. She finds this out for the first time. She is left homeless, penniless. And then a few days after the divorce she gets a death sentence from a doctor: breast cancer, two years to live. Here’s what I want you to do, Joan. There are people watching us right now that have death sentences or have loved ones that have had death sentences. Walk me through what happened to you. Take me from the sonogram.
JOAN: Well you’re laying on the examining table, you know, laying flat. Well, all of a sudden you get that, you see, the cancer there on the screen.
SID: Did you really see it?
JOAN: Oh yeah. I had him turn it so I could see it.
SID: I don’t know if I’d like to look at it.
JOAN: I didn’t, we really didn’t expect anything. And I’m like, oh, that’s not good. I mean, it was just very dark and stuff. And I’m laying there like this and I’m like, I’m like in a coffin. I’m like in a position for the coffin, which is exactly what happens when people get diagnosed with cancer, because it’s known as the “Big C”. Christ is the Big C, not cancer. Yes. Hallelujah. So I’m laying there and I’m like, oh Lord, you know, and you know, all these things are flashing. It’s like my girls have been through enough, they don’t need to worry about planning my funeral. So I’m laying there and I’m envisioning what I’m going to wear, this, that and the other, etc.
SID: Whoa. You know too much.
JOAN: I know that. I didn’t last too long.
SID: You were raised by the Happy Hunters.
SID: But still, when that fear, and that’s what it was.
JOAN: It’s reality, in the natural, our natural mind goes right to the grave.
SID: You know, it’s one thing to teach it. It’s another thing to live it.
JOAN: And that’s why I love writing and teaching about how I’ve lived it, walked it out and got healed, and everybody can get healed. And so I’m laying there because this is what the enemy will do. He’ll try to, because of television, because of news articles, because friends that have died of cancer and different things, all this fear, you have an opportunity, all this fear comes on. And I’m sitting there and I’m like, what am I thinking? I’m like, boom, boom! I’m slapping myself while I’m laying there and I’m like, no, I’m gonna live and declare the works of the Lord. This day I choose life. I choose life, I choose life, I choose life. And I am going to live and not die, and declare the works of the Lord. And you know what? I am right here today still declaring the works of the Lord of my healing. Hallelujah.
SID: So let every man be a liar, but God’s Word is true, and God just told me, and His Word is true, if you have a pain in your neck, at home, studio audience, move your head, you’ll see that the pain is gone. Now while we’re at it, if you’ll stand up. If you have a backache, stand up in the studio audience. Stand up at home. Please do this right now. And so only the back row, they have backaches. What’s the matter? Okay. Good. Now bend over. Touch your neck. Check your neck. Move your head. Touch your neck, everything, even if you don’t have a problem. No, I’m just teasing. All right. Wave at me if the symptom is gone. Wave at me. Oh, I see one wave, two waves, three waves, four waves, five waves. I feel like an auctioneer. Five people got healed just now and how many thousands at home? Okay, Joan, take me back.
JOAN: Okay. So here I am laying there. Been through a horrendous time two days before with the divorce, not knowing what to do and I’m like, I can’t tell my girls. They’ve just been devastated. So I call my parents and I say, “This is what’s been diagnosed. I need you to come into agreement with me. Let’s pray on the phone.” So I lay hands. They agree with me on the phone and then at that point, a little bit later on in the evening I go, I take a shower and I say, “God, you know, I can live without a breast. I can live with different things, you know, and so forth and so on, but I can’t live with this broken heart.” And I said, “God, you know, I’ll serve you, I’ll declare your words, but,” I said, “I need help.” And I said, “God, I need you to heal my heart.” And long story, short, He healed me of depression, He healed me of a broken heart, of trauma and all these other things, and betrayal, unforgiveness, you know, a whole list of things. Worry was the main thing that I believe opens the door for breast cancer. And I’m just, and I was like, okay God, and praying and thinking, and I could feel the heaviness of the trauma leaving the heaviness of the betrayal and unforgiveness, and different things like that leaving. And so you know, I’m going back. We’re doing, you know, the final step before surgery, chemo, radiation, whatever, and talked to him about it. And so we go and they’re like, “Something happened in here. This is your x-ray from before. This is your x-ray today. Your social security numbers match up, but the pictures don’t match up at all.” But God supernaturally healed me. And the thing that’s so neat, hallelujah.
SID: I mean, remember, she saw that darkness of the x-ray. She was given two years to live. Go ahead.
JOAN: And then at that point I realized that I got the greater revelation of dealing with the root causes, not just with the cancer, but what brings on, what opens the door for sickness.
SID: You know what I want to find out? I want to find out how you heal a broken heart. We’ll be right back.