Sid: I recently spoke at a conference with my friend David Hertzog in a place called Sedona, Arizona and that is a real New Age capital.  It is an amazing city, absolute beauty; we were on top of a mountain in a tent.  It was probably one of the most glorious natural settings I have ever seen in my life.  And one of the other speakers was Bill Johnson and for the first time I saw a full service with Bill Johnson.  And I have to say I saw more instant miracles than I could recall ever seeing anywhere.  And I was pretty taken by Bill Johnson’s ministry although I know Bill Johnson and although I’ve interviewed him several times, I’d never really seen such a demonstration, such an awesome demonstration of God’s power.  And then Bill Johnson said,  Kevin Dedmon, who is on staff at Bethel Church with him had one of the strongest miracle anointings that he knew.”  So I wanted to get in touch with Kevin and I have him on the telephone right now from Redding, California.   And Kevin I want to take you back so it will kind of unfold because what God did for you I know your passion is He wants to do for everyone.  When you were eighteen you had been into drugs and you got saved at a concert and you just radically believed God’s Word and healings started almost immediately.  As a matter of fact you had, it’s a Hebrew word it’s called chutzpa that means nerve.  You had a lot of chutzpa because according to my notes you walked up to some people where one guy had a wrist problem and tell me about that.

Kevin: Well, he had a broken wrist and it was in a soft cast and it had just been broken and there were about twelve guys standing around and they were teenagers like myself and I walked into the group and I said, “Listen, if God doesn’t heal that guy’s wrist you can all beat me up, but if God heals that guys wrist then you guys have to get saved.”

Sid: You must have been really confident his wrist would be healed, I hope.

Kevin: I was so ignorant when I became a Christian; I thought the Old Testament was written in the 1960’s.

Sid: Well, a lot of Christians feel the same way unfortunately.

Kevin: So when I started reading the New Testament I just assumed that everything that was in there was true and was real and was something I was suppose to experience.  So I just went about healing people and…

Sid: So tell me about the person with the broken wrist.

Kevin: Well, he got totally healed right on the spot, he’s moving it all around and so I turned to each one of them and I said, “Okay now you got to give your life to Jesus right now because He’s real and he has a plan and purpose for your life.”  And four of them actually received Jesus right there on the spot.

Sid: That is so wonderful, but someone poured cold water on your parade.  In 1977 someone died from cancer that you prayed for and why did you stop praying for the sick pretty much after that?

Kevin: Well, actually I poured cold water on myself because, by the time I was two years into Jesus you know as a Christian the pastors in the city where I lived in Reno Nevada, they started calling me asking me to come and pray for people; and I thought that it was a little odd that they would have me come and pray, why they wouldn’t just do it.  But I would go and pray for people and we were invited to go pray for a woman who was dying of cancer and my fiancée, now my wife at the time she was my fiancée we went and prayed for this woman and we prayed for probably two hours.  And when we got home and hour later they called and said that she had died and I thought I had killed her because I didn’t have enough faith; that I wasn’t gifted enough.  That I should had somebody come over there who was better equipped and more empowered than I was and so for twenty some years I never would pray for the sick again because I use to tell people you don’t want me to pray for you because you’ll either get worse or you may die.  And I believed in healing, but I didn’t think I had what it takes and the enemy stole from me just that child like faith that I started with; because of that failure so to speak.

Sid: And then it was almost like history repeated itself because your son Chad started having a drug problem like you had and your wife forced him to go to the Brownsville Church in Pensacola, Florida and how did she force him to go?

Kevin: Well, he was sixteen at the time and it was really an issue of either we were going to emancipate him out of our home or he was going to go to this Brownville youth conference with another church in our city.  And he decided he would go and he got absolutely just transformed at this youth conference in Brownsville at the Revival there in Florida.

Sid: Well, he actually called your wife from there but what did you think when you heard he was on the phone?

Kevin: Well, actually the youth pastor called and my wife then called me and said that the youth pastor had called and my heart just sunk down to the floor and I said, “Okay that’s it.”  He’s out of here, there sending him home and she’s crying on the phone, Chad, it’s Chad our son, Chad;  and what, tell me what?   The youth pastor called and said that he’s never seen anything like this before, that Chad has repented, that he’s been crying for twenty-four straight hours and then he’s laughing for twenty-four straight hours.  And he’s totally transformed, he’s up on the stage and everybody here knows him all 1,000 of the kids know him and he’s the hit of the whole conference’ I’ve never seen anything like it.  And sure enough Chad came home and he was absolutely transformed and he hasn’t stopped since.  So twelve years later and now he’s traveling all over the world preaching and doing miracles and equipping and empowering and activating Christians to do the same thing.  It’s amazing!

Sid: But as a result of that, that almost brought your first love back and there was a touch biker that was living in your home and he started yelling, “What was he yelling about?”

Kevin: Well, he was like 6’4” biker and we were helping him out, he had herniated his disk and he had had surgery and it didn’t work, he was just writhing in pain for six months.  He was staying in one of our guest rooms and we were just kind of taking care of him and one night he just called form his room as we were having a leaders meeting and he just asked if we could carry him out to the living room so he could just be with some people.  He was just in so much pain and lonely and just didn’t know what was going to happen in his life.  And so at the end of the meeting he looks at me and he’s crying and he’s saying “Kevin, please, please can you pray for me.”  And up to this point for twenty some years I would just say no, I’m sorry I just don’t have the gift; even though I had written papers in college and gotten A’s on them on healing.  I had the theology, but I didn’t believe that I had the gift or what it takes to heal people.  And so I was looking around for somebody else on the leadership that might have a gift of healing, because I did believe in it.  And nobody there had a gift either so out of compassion I just said, “Okay, just stand him up and this was after I had come back from Brownsville.  My wife and I had been wrecked out in Brownsville, just the Spirit of God came on us and we were totally renewed and now we were revived and we were ready to go after the supernatural in a whole new way.  Even though we had been part of the Vineyard in the past and we had been taught about the supernatural, we had seen it we weren’t doing it ourselves.  So I had our roommate, he stood up and I put my hand on him and as I did, at the same I felt fire on my hand, he jumps up in the air.  And says my backs on fire, my backs on fire and this guy could not walk let alone jump.  He was jumping in the air, running all around, he was crying, he was laughing and just saying I can’t believe it, I can’t believe it I’m healed, I’m healed and I finally said, “Believe it obviously your healed.  And he was totally healed and that was what launched me into believing now that I really could lay hand on the sick and they would recover or the injured or the dead even you know.

Sid: And the thing that I love about your ministry as opposed to many others, your ministry is not to make Kevin Dedmon the superstar.  Your ministry is to empower people so that everyone can do what Kevin Dedmon does by having the realization that Jesus is in them.

Kevin: That’s exactly right, the same Jesus that’s in me in you is in everyone out there and you know I’m no different than anyone else.  We all have the Spirit of God inside of us and we’ve all been commissioned to heal the sick, to raise the dead, to cleanse lepers and to set people free.  So that’s what I teach, I try to equip, to empower and to activate people into the supernatural lifestyle that they have been called to that’s a natural lifestyle.

Sid: I have a copy of your brand new book “Unlocking Heaven” and the Subtitle is Key’s to living naturally supernatural.  And of course on my Television Show I say, “Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural.”  So you use that same terminology, but you’ve been involved in training so many young people, “Why is it the young people seem to get it quicker than those that have been in the church for fifty years?”

Kevin: Well, in actuality I’m seeing, I’m seeing young, old, men, women, leaders, non-leaders, every kind of person now being activated into the supernatural lifestyle.  But it is true the younger person is in the Lord, or in life they just tend to be more accepting of something new.

Sid: One of the men that has the key to reach the heart of the Jew is Kevin Dedmon who I interviewed last week; who is the Father of Chad Dedmon and I am overwhelmed.  You see the way to reach the Jew and the way to reach any person from another religion is not mental apologetics, but through a demonstration of the kingdom of God which they cannot deny.  And Chad you started early, I mean I have a little difficulty comprehending this, if I had been your father I think I would have spanked the people that had you do this, but when you were nine years of age there was a dumpster.  What did it look like?

Chad: Yeah, this is the way that we did evangelism at our church and what we would do we would just go and find people and we would go find those that were down and out; those that needed Jesus and really needed a supernatural Jesus.  And so we approached this dumpster, it was me and a guy that was living that we took in; a guy that was living at my parents’ house and he picked me up and put me in this dumpster that was a blue dumpster, it was very big and it was behind a liquor store.  And we would find people that would actually live there, they would drink the night before and then they would sleep in the dumpster.  I guess that was the most comfortable place, compared to maybe the asphalt they would sleep in the trash can.

Sid: So these were homeless people that were looking for a place out of the rain and the wind and the cold and everything.

Chad: Exactly, so we would go out to the people and so this particular time I get dropped into the dumpster, I’m nine years old and I don’t even know if I could crawl out.  So I’m dumped in and there’s this man that drank himself, drank so much the night before he was sleeping and I woke him up and I began to tell him about Jesus.  And so we bring him to church and he ends up getting saved and delivered supernaturally, where the alcohol, the desire for alcohol that void that was in his life that he was trying to fill with alcohol completely left and was filled with the love of Jesus.  And so we took him to a rehab and he later sent us a letter two years later to tell us that he reconnected, that he got remarried with his wife, reconnected with his kids, got his old job back and is now buying a house.

Sid: Now, just out of curiosity why did someone, who was it that dumped you into the dumpster at age nine?

Chad: Yeah, his name was Laguna, that was not his real name, but we gave him that name because we called him the goonster.  And he was 6’4” he was a body builder, he was an X bouncer.

Sid: I mean, why didn’t he get in the dumpster, why did he put you in the dumpster?

Chad: I guess I was the smaller one so I think him jumping in there, for some reason I got the short end of the stick.

Sid: Ha, you obviously did.  Let’s progress a little bit, and you’re a pastor’s kid and we find out about your father, Kevin who wrote the book that were offering this week called, “Unlocking Heaven.”  And Kevin Dedmon it said about your Dad by Bill Johnson who has one of the neatest miracle ministries I personally know of; that he said, “That your Dad had the strongest miracle anointing of anyone he ever heard of.”  So you’re raised by a pastor and you resented, as many pastor’s kids do.  Actually you did what your Dad did when he was younger you got into drugs at age thirteen; it was sort of like there was a generational curse or something.

Chad: Yes, it really was and so there was a generational curse, then also just being raised in a ministry, being born into the ministry I felt that false responsibility.  And so I really got angry at God, I got angry at my parents where I was mad that I was born, this is not my decision; and so I decided to rebel and I started doing drugs.  And I would see, that was probably the most demonic stuff, time in my life.

Sid: Now you were very gifted, you had what the Bible refers to as the gift of discernment, you could see what was going on in the visible world and you could literally see evil, you could see demons and you could literally see Jesus at the time.

Chad: Yes, yes I would see Jesus probably at a monthly; I would see Him in my room in the corner.  I would be doing drugs and He would be weeping and He’d be looking at me and He’d be crying and my heart was so hardened I said, “I know that you are the way, but you know what this is what I’m doing.”

Sid: And one day though it was a very turning point in your life, Jesus entered your room and he said something to you, what did He say?

Chad: He said to me, He said, “Chad, you’re either going to be my best friend or I’m going to had you over to Satan.”  And I knew what that meant, I had many close encounters to death, I knew that there was a hedge of protection over my life and I almost od, my friend almost od on crack, I got shot at, I almost got stabbed.  A number of different things happened or I knew that Jesus was protecting me and I knew that when Jesus was saying “I’m going to hand you over to Satan that it wasn’t going to be that I was going to be a drug addict for the rest of my life; that I would actually be killed by Satan.  And so I knew that this was an ultimatum that had serious consequences and looked at Jesus and I said, “I know that You are the only way that You are the truth; and so I said, “I want you to be my best friend.”  And He gave me this big hug and right when He hugged me, right when He touched me, all the drug addiction, the desire for drugs just completely left and I really became whole, I felt that peace that surpasses all understanding, it was amazing.

Sid: Okay, so that’s around thirteen, fourteen and at fifteen you get interested in girls and you develop and unhealthy relationship; then by the time you’re seventeen she breaks up with you and you’re depressed and now you turn to alcohol and drinking.  “How could you that after being hugged by Jesus””

Chad: I know, “Hope deferred makes the heart sick and desire realized is the tree of life.”  So that’s why it’s so important to grab a hold of your destiny and the promises that are over your life and do not let other people take that place in your life; that Jesus has to be that place.  And I let a girl into my heart that I shouldn’t have and when she broke up with me, it was probably the only time in my life that I was depressed and so I drank a few times and I got caught drinking and I got the end of my rope.

Sid: Now you didn’t have a Jewish mother, but you had a mother that acted just like a Jewish mothers are suppose to act, she forced you to go to a revival meeting in Pensacola, Florida at the Brownsville, Assembly of God with I guess a youth group and you had no choice.  She forced you to go so you went on this kicking and screaming so to speak; what happened to you there?

Chad: I got radically touched!  I mean again, I had no idea about this revival that was happening on the other side of our nation in Florida and so I was kind of going blind.  I didn’t know what was going on and I went there and I felt the Presence of God and I felt the tangible Presence of God and I knew that this was different; that this was not just church; this wasn’t just somebody speaking that God was present and God was tangible.  And so I responded by going to the altar and just saying, “God, I need to get my life right, I need to get it in order and I ended up just on my face and I was just begin to weep in a real deep just the Spirit of Repentance came and I just wept.  I wept so hard, I mean I had, you know snot, I was crying, I didn’t care who was around me, and I ended up starting to wail, I started screaming, “God, I need You, I need You, I need You” And there was another young man that was with me at the time and he was kind of going through the same experience and we were a good two hours weeping and then something just clicked without looking at each other, we began to laugh.  We began to just get filled with the Spirit of God where we just began to fill this overwhelming joy where we begin to laugh from that point all the way into our hotel room, throughout the whole night and for the next two days we could not stop laughing.

Sid: Two says!  That a long time to laugh, you know “A merry heart is good medicine,” but this is ridiculous!

Chad: Yeah, it was amazing you can’t get too much of a good thing.

Sid: Then you get back at high school; you are radically changed, “What happened at your high school?”

Chad: Yeah, we started like a Bible study prayer meeting at our lunch for our High School and we had, it just started growing more and more; there was just a definite hunger in the High School.  And we ended up getting about 150 people that were just going after God where we would just be in our just during the hours of our High School and we would meet at different other times as well where we would just get together and we would pray, “God we want more of You.”  So there was this desperation and this hunger of about 150 people that just cried out for more of God.

Sid: How many got saved at your High School?

Chad: Oh, there was probably about 100 to 150 people.

Sid: Now that is normal, how would you like to be normal, well one thing that would make you normal would be if you had the same Dad as Chad had, Kevin Dedmon…

Sid: I recently got a hold of CDs from John Paul Jackson on the Perfect Storm.  And I am so excited about the revelation that he has because we’re about ready to experience so much glory where ever we go that we will be walking like the Prophet Samuel where not one of his words fell to the ground.  And speaking about a word falling the ground without it coming to pass, I have John Paul Jackson on the telephone and the last time you were on my show you prophesied about Netanyahu, do you remember that?

John Paul: I do remember that, you kind of dragged it out of me.  Ha, ha, ha.

Sid: That’s right, you didn’t want to say it as I recall, but we pulled it out of you and repeat your prophecy.

John Paul: Well, that Netanyahu would become the next Prime Minister. But that it would be during a very very difficult time in the nation of Israel.  And that he was, he was brought, would be brought into power for that particular time frame; and that God had designed him in order to make the difficult choices that he was going to have to make.

Sid: And boy is he involved in it right now.  Just out of curiosity has God shown you anything new about Israel?

John Paul: Well, yes and I’m very very concerned about the push on Netanyahu and the pressure that is being put upon him right now.  Not only within the governmental structure of the Knesset and the structure of Israel itself but even more so what is happening here in the United States under the current administration that is really, really trying to force Israel to give back land to the Palestinians and then at the same time establish a coexistent state in the land of Israel.

Sid: John Paul just so that our listeners will understand a bit about you, when you were thirteen years of age you had encephalitis and you literally died for forty minutes, you were brain dead.  But your mother who had received a vision when you were born started crying out to God and you literally were above your body.  I’ve heard a lot of people say this, and you could see what your mother was doing and what she was praying; tell me about that.

John Paul: Right I was leaving my body and then I was slowly…and I was like looking through a window at myself going towards a brilliant light that was behind me.  But I was pretty captivated at what I was seeing and I saw my doctor, my mother, my father.  They were there and I was, the doctor said that I had died.  My mother began to wail and to cry out to God, saying that I have never fulfilled what God had told her.  And angel had come to her and visited her before I was conceived and told that she was going to bare a son after she had miscarried a child and that she was to call me John Paul and that I would have what the angel termed the eleventh hour ministry.  And my mother understood that to mean a kind of a end times ministry in the last days right before the returning of the Lord.

Sid: And then at age thirty you had a visitation from the Lord in which God showed you some of your future.  Tell me one thing you saw at that time.

John Paul: I saw the difficult economic times that we’re having right now.  I saw the issue of gold, the issue of the collapse of the dollar, I saw that at that particular time, when I was thirty years of age.

Sid: What was the issue of gold that you saw?

John Paul: The issue of gold was that gold would be $2,000 an ounce.

Sid: My goodness I better run out and buy some, forget this interview, no, I’m just teasing!  And I remember you talking about the vision you saw of the Challenger blowing up.

John Paul: Right, I drew that out and called NASA and tried to warn them about the issue and they informed that they had thousands of check and fail systems and that there was no problem.  Thank you very much for calling and basically they blew me off.

Sid: But the reason I’m interviewing this week is that you have a DVD called “The Coming Perfect Storm.  Now you’ve been getting the prophetic words for this for a number of years and you’ve just started speaking this out publically.  Why are you speaking it out now?

John Paul: Well, I didn’t want to, I had spoken bits and pieces of it out as I got it over the years and then the Lord started giving me more and He began to tell me that it was time for me to tell this.  And the response that I got from many in the church when I would periodically start to tell some of these things, they wanted to hear peace and safety, they didn’t want to hear that things were going to become difficult and so I tried to avoid it.  But the Lord began to deal with my heart and began to deal with me personally in saying, “This is what you were born to do, I want you to do this.”  So I began to do this about two years ago, I began to talk about what was coming and the various places and then as last year, 2008 came I began to escalate the amount that I would talk about it as the Lord began to move upon me.  And I began to get even more, the more I would tell the more I would receive; I would have more visions, I would have more dreams, and so this continued to grow so it’s not like I gave it and that’s the end of it.  Even since I made the DVD, which will be talking about some of the things today there have been more things that the Lord has given to me.

Sid: Now why is this storm coming, what are the reasons in your opinion that this is going to occur?

John Paul: Well, the Lord actually spoke to me and told me this in a dream and he showed me his hand lifting from this nation, and in this encounter I saw the hand of the Lord lifting from the nation and the higher the hand of the Lord came off of the nation the more darkness began to infiltrate underneath his hand.

Sid: You know I have never seen a time in my lifetime where there has been so much ungodliness in our country, blatant; it seems as though almost daily it’s getting worse.

John Paul: It is and it is going to continue and one of things the Lord showed me was that the corruption that we’ve seen so far would be nothing.  And that certainly has proved true over the last two years.  But it’s also going to prove even more true in the coming two years.

Sid: Now President Obama made a statement that a lot of Christians found controversial, he said that we are not longer a Christian nation.  I didn’t find it controversial, I found it sadly true.

John Paul: It is sadly true, that doesn’t mean we weren’t formed to be a Christian nation, that we weren’t originally purposed to be a Christian nation, but he was speaking from, I believe he was speaking from the issue of what we are practicing right now.  And I don’t believe we are practicing the level of Christianity that the Bible spells out for us to be practicing.  I believe the best the nation is practicing a lukewarm form of Christianity.

Sid: I guess lukewarm is the right word to be using, I mean it is so different than the Christianity of the Bible.  It almost seems to be, it’s sort of like Rabbinic Judaism today is so different than the Judaism of the Bible, religious Christianity today is so different than the religion of the Bible.

John Paul: It is I believe that that part of what the judgment is coming for and a lot of people really hesitate on that word judgment because there are so many different definitions of it.  But my definition of it is basically this; judgment is from God’s hand lift to the degree God’s hands lift the judgment gets more severe.  God is the only thing that is keeping this country protected or any country on the face of the earth; keeping them protected from what the evil one wants to do to them.

Sid: Well, I’m overwhelmed of the specific things and the so many different arenas that you see coming, but you also say God has given you a ten year window into the future.  And these things, many of them that you are talking about are starting to happen now, but it could take ten years for them to fully develop.  And you call it the “Perfect Storm” why?

John Paul: The Lord told me that there’s five major storm fronts that’s coming to the earth and particularly in the United States.  And those five storm fronts were the storms of religion, the storms of economics, the storms of politics, the storms of war, and the storms of geophysical events.  And as each of those storms, each of those fronts would have different elements of the storm; like you’ll see a thunderstorm coming, you’ll see rain as an element, you’ll see hail as an element, you’ll see various lightning as an element, thunder as an element and so on.  Each storm would have different elements to it and that each element would not strike the entire United States, but there would be elements that would strike various areas.  For example there may be economic woes in some areas and geophysical issues like tornadoes, pestilence, blight, in other areas.  There might be political blight in the other areas, but it’s the near proximity of the storms happening to each other that end up being like a domino effect.  One storm hits another, hits another and it compounds what happens because of the storm; the results of the storm gets compounded.

Sid: And I have to tell you Mishpochah you would think that this would breed fear when you hear of all these specific things in each of these five areas that John Paul Jackson saw that is going to happen; but when you talk about what’s going to happen to true Christians in this generation, I mean I’ll just pull one.  The glory of God in someone’s house, describe that.

John Paul: One of the things that I saw in one particular area that was plagued by food shortages was that people would pray, they would join hands around the table.  There is nothing on the table; there is nothing on the stove, there was nothing be cooked, there was nothing being prepared, there was nothing to have, they join hand and they pray and they gave thanks to the Lord for what they were about to receive and when they were finished praying there was food on the table.  And it was like the manna that was provided in the wilderness, there was food that was provided on the table and I believe that it is going to take a stronger level of faith, a stronger commitment to God, a stronger resolve on our parts; but in these things that are coming those that resolve will happen, a commitment will happen, that insight, that understanding, a relationship with the Lord will happen again.

Sid: In effect Christians will not want to be, they are going to cross over from lukewarm to red hot was where we belong anyway.

John Paul: Yes.

Sid: Oh, our time has slipped away.

Sid: Well, I have a woman that’s been raised up by God that is as radical as I am and I believe as radical you are for the things of God.  She has such a hunger for God it’s contagious.  And I want to find out a bit more about Patricia King’s background because as I’m reading my brief notes here I see that we have a lot of similarity.  Patricia King reached a critical point in her life where she actually believed that she would end up in a mental hospital and that they’ll throw the key away.  Well, as I like say Patricia I thought that I would either be dead or in prison or insane.  And that’s the way and that’s not exaggerating before I knew the Messiah.  But you were in a real bad bad way and you were about ready to have a baby and you wanted your baby baptized and things started changing.  Tell me about that.

Patricia: That’s right.  Well Sid, I was in a very traumatic state emotionally.  In fact I was so erratic emotionally I had no control over my emotions.  And people outwardly didn’t understand that, they only saw one part of me that I would present in public and then behind the scenes I was in torment.  I had two little children at the time, a brand new baby and I was afraid for their lives because of my erratic behavior.  So I called an Anglican minister because I felt that it was time for me to expose what was going on behind the scenes in my life and to try to do something about it.  And I had this belief if I did that I would be committed and so I wanted to make sure my children were Christened because I thought if they were then if I never got out of the mental institution then that maybe I would see them in Heaven or something.  And so when I called the Anglican minister he came over within twenty minutes of hanging up that call and began to share the gospel with me and that was my first time of hearing the gospel.

Sid: So actually this was the first light that was really beginning to shine on your world of darkness.

Patricia: That’s right, it was like I had gone to Sunday school as a little girl, but I never new, I never knew that you could have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ by having Him live inside of your heart, inside your life and have him transform you; and literally be your life in you.  And when this minister came in and shared certain things with me I didn’t accept it right away.  In fact I was scared, I realized that I had been demonized because of my past and so those demons started to react in me and through me against this minister, but he never gave up on me.  Invited me to a meeting that week in which I ended up going and that is where the power and the presence of the Lord was so real, so tangible I felt him, I saw him on people’s faces.  I saw that light that did penetrate the darkness and that night after I got home I knelt down before the Lord, I said, “Lord Jesus if you are real, like I saw in those people tonight, if you are real like the presence I felt tonight, I would love for you to come into my life and forgive me of all my sins.”  And he didn’t hesitate Sid, He was just, I felt His presence come in, I felt my sin and my guilt and my shame get removed and I actually felt the new life of Christ enter me.  So I was so blessed to have that experience where…

Sid: But you know, the thing that interests me so much is when I first became a believer I had the presence of God. I felt so clean; actually I got set free of all the demons from the New Age that I’d been involved in.  But, I didn’t understand repentance, no one had ever taught, coming from a Jewish background, no one had taught me, now, I might add I did nothing but repent for the next few years.  However, with you it sounds like it was just in this one night you became totally cleansed!

Patricia: Yeah, I actually felt the cleansing power of the Lord.  Before I became a Christian I knew that I was in trouble, like no one had to tell me I was a sinner, I knew I was, I just didn’t know how not to be.  I tried self help programs, I tried of course all kinds of spiritual things, that is what actually got me into the New Age which I was practicing before I got saved.  It was because I was searching for answers so I went for spiritual help, and of course it only made it worse because anything that is not of Christ is just going to destroy you even more.  And so I didn’t need to be told I was a sinner, I knew I was doing wrong things, I knew I was hurting people, I knew that I was hurting myself; but I didn’t know how to overcome.  And so when Jesus came into my life and I felt the guilt, the shame and everything leave me, then that was my greatest gift, was to know forgiveness and to know that I could now have a fresh start.

Sid: And the thing that’s amazing to me and was amazing for me as well as for you, is that you immediately went into the streets! I immediately started telling everyone I knew about Jesus, I hadn’t even read the New Testament.

Patricia: Ha, ha ha, I know and it’s like as a believe when that life enters you don’t understand why it’s good, you just know it is and so the next morning after I got Born Again I went to my neighbors.  I knocked on the door to the first neighbor and I said, “Last night Jesus came into my life and took all my sin away and He can do it for you too.”  Because I thought I was absolutely convinced that the only reason that the whole world was not saved yet was because they had not experienced what I had experienced.  And if they could just hear that Jesus could take their sin away they would want him.  And so I was really surprised at the first door that I didn’t get the response I was thinking I would get.  I thought they would say, “Oh yes, yes I would love to have my sins taken away.”  I was so sure that everybody would want it, but instead they said, “Patricia are you crazy; have you gone crazy?”  And I remember saying, “No, I was crazy, but now I’m not crazy.”  And it’s like they just looked at me like I had gone off my rocker.  And of course that news spread around the neighborhood.  But I continued to go door to door that day, I could not keep quiet, I would go out on the streets and share with whoever would listen.  I was so excited about having this new life, and it was so real and you know Sid, most nonbelievers are only one revelation away from receiving Christ because as soon as the light goes on you know that you know that you know.

Sid: But do you know what I feel sorry for?  I feel sorry for Christians that believe because their parents believe and they have attended church their whole life and they could go their whole life and miss the whole purpose of life and think their fine.

Patricia: Yeah, that’s true.

Sid: And another thing you know, that when I watch you on television I see something that is so wonderful; I see you out on the streets with people that are in the worse shapes of anyone in society and I see a compassion and a love in you.  Where does this compassion come from when I see you out in the slum areas and just putting your arms and weeping with these people?

Patricia: Well, you know Sid, that’s exactly where I was and that’s where I would be now if God hadn’t loved me to life.  When I received Christ, I didn’t deserve to be loved, none of us do, but we serve a God of love; He is love.  And He saw everything about me, He saw everything I’d done in the shadows; He saw everything I did in the secret places; He saw it all, all the horrible things that I did and yet He loved me perfectly.  On the night that I received Jesus Christ I felt that love fill me; and I came to know that God is a God of love; He is love.  And so when you know Him as a God of love and when you’ve received His mercy then it’s easy to give.  Freely, freely we have received, so we freely freely give.  And I do love; I love loving people to life.  And I find that Sid and I know that you know this too is that most often people don’t need a good preach, but they need a good love.  They need to be touched by the presence of love and I find that when people feel the presence of God His love and His favor towards them, His friendship is being offered towards them that they melt and they reach out to Him.  And why wouldn’t you?  He’s so delicious, He’s so amazing; He’s so there’s no one like Him.

Sid: …Tell me one changed life of someone that had attended your school.

Patricia: My gosh, this is so awesome; I mean we get emails all the time Sid, of people who said that the Glory School when they attended it was there point of being transformed.  I remember one Baptist couple; in fact he was a Pastor and had never been introduced to the supernatural and did not understand that the scripture teaches very clearly that we have invitation to access and the reality of the Kingdom realm by faith; and he had never seen that in the scripture before until he took the Glory School.  And it opened up a brand new world to him and in fact now he operates in the prophetic…