Sid:   Now if you’re not red hot for the Messiah, just listen for a few more minutes and you will be. I have on the telephone the young evangelist at the great revival that is going on in Mobile, Alabama.  “The Bay of the Holy Spirit.”  As you recall, John Kilpatrick had a great revival at the Brownsville Church in Pensacola Florida and something like 4 million plus people came to that sleepy little southern town because, why did they come?  Because miracles were happening peoples’ lives were being transformed and lightning has struck twice.  John Kilpatrick is involved in a second revival in the Mobile area.  The young evangelist, Nathan Morris, I have him on the phone and I was out to his gathering and it was wonderful and I said Nathan is there anything new going on at the revival that you’re having and Nathan tell me a couple of things that you were sharing on the phone with me.

Nathan:  Well, Sid it’s good to speak with you.  Out in the revival we, just before last weekend we have witnessed just an increase in the miracles of healing and in the miracles of deliverance like we have never seen in revival so far.  We’ve had created miracles one lady that was deaf and mute from, all her life since she was born and she is now around forty years old and she began to hear on the pulpit in front of the crowd.  She began to spin on her heels as she heard the first time she head the drums and she heard the voices and the people singing.  She began to laugh with joy as she realized what Jesus had done for her.  I tell you, every single night in the revival the Lord never ceases to amaze me.

Sid:  Yes, but that particular witness Nathan is what the Talmud refers to as a “Messianic Miracle.”  If you remember they made a big deal over someone that was born blind that could see.  And when someone is born that way and lives their whole life that is call a Messianic Miracle. And I wish I could have seen the reaction of this what forty year old woman for the first time in her life to be able to hear sounds.

Nathan:  Do you know Sid, this is what she expressed.  She had a lady there that normally would sign for her and communicate with her and she said the first word that she heard was “holy.”  The second word she heard was the name “Jesus Christ.”  And for me what greater greater thing can we see than when someone is deaf and mute the first time she hears the word holy and the Name of Jesus.  I tell you the people were seeing prayer….

Sid:  That’s almost a prophetic message that you’re sharing right now!

Nathan:   You know, as I was saying that I realized, I said you know there are people that are not naturally deaf, not naturally mute but spiritually they are and they need to know that there’s a Holy God but He’s calling them to make a decision. To make a choice of all their lives are going.  Who will they follow, who will they listen to?  And you know the message that must be preached that Jesus Christ shed His blood so we might hear and we might see that He is Lord of all.

Sid:  Tell me another like what just recently happened that I might not know about.

Nathan:  One miracle that He really stunned me now is, when I first heard it took me awhile Sid to really understand what was happening.  We had a woman named Chrystal who had a tumor at the base of her spin.  They removed the tumor but they also had to remove the bladder and the doctors.  We had a letter from the MD at Vanderbilt Hospital who said that, they described it that they had to do a bladder augmentation that means that had to make a certain surgery where they created a false bladder from her intestine.  Now the thing was that this lady will never be able to use the restroom normally again and basically this is what the Lord had done.  She came to the revival and she felt heat going through that area. 

Sid:  And you know by the way I hear a lot of people saying when they’re experiencing healing at your revival they’re feeling heat.  It seems like that’s the first thing someone feels.

Nathan:  Yeah, I would be confident to say that ninety percent of people feel heat in whatever the area or whatever God is doing they feel the heat will come upon them.  Whether arthritis or muscle injuries or cancer or the boy tumor they feel heat come upon them and I know that that can be the healing power of God, the heat of His presence.  And this lady began to feel heat burning.  She said that it was burning, she wondered what was happening and she suddenly felt compelled to go to the restroom and when she did it wasn’t a real bladder but a creative miracle was.  The real miracle was that she began to use the restroom normally. When she went back to the surgeon and the surgeon wrote a letter saying there was no medical explanation.  There had been a diary on her with they that viewed for her and they said that there is no medical explanation why this woman is using the restroom and her bladder is functioning normal.  They said to her directly they said listen we have no explanation but don’t look back look forward just walk in it.  I tell you the crowd Sid; they just shouted praises to God. We had one guy come with torn ligaments and on crutches.  He fell over and badly damaged his ankle.  Instantaneously he came off the crutches and he came running around the stage. I mean all manner of miracles are happening in the revival. 

Sid:  You know speaking of miracles that are happening, I’m going to have you share this a little later on in the week about the great miracle that literally the fire of God that came upon you and when I heard about that you and I were just talking and I said you know, Nathan I wish that you would just speak on the fire of God and pray an impartation for the people because that same fire of God that came on you is going on other people and then we could make that available for our Mishpochah and they could in their own home they could play this DVD and the fire of God would come upon them.  And you said well Sid I did one similar to that and we’ll have that mailed to you, you listen to it and let me know what you think.  But then unbeknownst to me that evening that I was at the revival in Mobile Alabama you spoke on the Fire of God.  How did that happen?  How did you decide to do it that night because when I left you you didn’t tell me that you were going to do that?

Nathan:  Well until I got in the pulpit that night Sid, I didn’t know I was going to do it either. 

Sid:  Oh, I thought somehow you had planned it a little bit.

Nathan:  No, no, no I think God did but I certainly didn’t.  But the thing about revival Sid it’s spontaneous.  At any moment in the revival the Lord can flip a meeting on its head and tell you to go down that direction and when I got on the pulpit I was going to begin to preach and suddenly, the Lord said no speak on this.  And as I began to speak I knew that you were there.  The fire of God began to fall on the congregation and the Lord began to move in that way and the fire of God is something that I preached on in all of my ministries since I really began because that was my encounter with God.  That is what happened to me Sid when the Lord visited me.  And it’s something that I know that’s my experience of the Lord.

Sid:  Now I have to tell you what my experience was when you prayed for me and by the way I moved fast, when you said Sid come up here.  Do you remember saying that and I was..you know it is a big auditorium so I literally ran behind the stage and went up there and you prayed over me and you prophesized over me.  Do you remember the prophesy?

Nathan:  I certainly do yeah.

Sid:  And I wanted to ask you this question and I didn’t and I called you several times but we didn’t connect on this.  And the question I had was that just a generic thing that you were prophesying or did you know that fire of God was coming or was that something specific you had for me. 

Nathan:  That was something specific I had for you.  I think many times when, you know when the power of God is falling right now, I just learned to flow with the Holy Spirit and when I called you the Lord was saying call him now.  It was not until you stood in front of me and the power of God was tangible on the pulpit that word just came out you know.  Many times, sometimes the Lord will tell me during the service but many times its only when the anointing begins to fall and the power of the Holy Ghost begins to fall suddenly the Lord just births a word out of my inter most being and I speak it and felt like you weren’t just coming to report on the revival but you were coming to receive a further impartation from the Lord.  And I felt that the Lord was going to release a voice inside of you like ever before to call his people to salvation and the Jews…

Sid:  And do you know what happened after that prophetic word?  In fact I asked you to pray about it but I don’t think you know what happened.  I went to a meeting Florida and there were hundreds of unsaved Jewish people at this meeting and I mean there were over four hundred.  We had more people than seats.  We could get all the people into the room for a lecture on the supernatural and miracles broke out and I would say that out of the ninety percent of the people stood up and made professions of faith.  This is unprecedented in America.  Well Mishpochah this DVD I believe is going to have a major impact on your life.

SID: Hello, SidRoth your investigative reporter here with Mel and Desiree Ayers and Desiree went against that inner feeling;and she suffered.She was a stunt woman;and the car she was in burst into flames;she had second and third degree burns;and of all places – the worst place was her face.Now what does third degree burn mean?

DESIREE: Well first is the lightest,second is the blistering, the bubbling,and third you have taken it all the way down to thenerve endings.You’ve entirely burned your nerve endings.

SID: So Mel, you see your wife like thiswere you prepared for what you were going to see?

MEL: No.I’m not a real crier,but when I saw her bandaged up and all you could seewas her little eyes peeking out of there,I knew it was bad and I just…

SID: What did the doctors say about her?I’m sure you got the report before her.

MEL: Said that she had second and third degree burnsand she probably would have some scarringand that it would take some time for her to heal up;but there’d probably be scarring for life. And so,but our faith is in Godand I’ve seen God do miraculous thingsand so we stood on the word which is…The word of God is health and healing to all your flesh;and so we read the scriptures to her all day.We read the word of God, we believed godanticipated and expected that God would be big.

SID: Now you did something that really intrigued meabout her picture, tell me about that.

MEL: Well we’d found a picture of her that we really likedand put it up on the wall.The nurses were trying to put mirrors on the wallso that she could adjust to what she’d look like,and we just said no.The Lord made you perfectand you’re going to end up that way.

SID: So she was going to be permanently scarredfrom a medical viewpoint.

MEL: Permanently scarred.

SID: Did she have a good doctor?

MEL: We had the best burn doctor in the United Statesand possibly the world;Dr. Grossmanwho was Michael Jackson’s burn doctor.

SID: So what did this Jewish doctor…How did he react when you’re reading the bible?You refused to deal with what he considered reality;how did he react?

DESIREE: He was very encouragingwhen he’d see me reading my Bible.He’d say stay in thereand his words to me when I walked out, my last meetingwas “Desiree,it’s your faith in God that’s healed you.”

SID: Ok.I’m going to take you a few days later.You’re homeand one of the worst things I understand with burns isremoving the dressing and putting fresh bandages on.

DESIREE: Yeah, yeah. Well that was actually still in the hospital.I was there 10 days, but that was the most difficult partbecause your skin is starting to heal up.And it’s healing into the bandages,so when you go to pull them off,it’s taking the skin off too.And so I went into the shower.ThereI had the water coming down on me to loosen it up.I still couldn’t get it and it was so painfulbecause I wasn’t on any pain medicationbecause I was having allergic reactions to morphineand things like that.

SID: That would be awful.

DESIREE: It was just completely trusting God.

SID: It had to be excruciating though.

DESIREE: It was excruciatingly painful.It wasso at that point I was crying.I turned off the water.I got on my knees and I just started to worship God.And it was amazing because it was wrapped tight everywhere.But I lifted my hands up like I saw Mel do before;and just worshipping God;the presence of God so filled the place.I looked down; every bandage was at my feet,so it was a supernatural miracle.

SID: Wait, wait, wait…wait a second.Let me get this straight.She’s taking this shower, she raises her hands.Her face is filled with bandages.It’s excruciating to remove itand she’s worshipping God;and a presence comes over herand the bandages are on the floor.How did they get there?

DESIREE: I don’t know.

SID: But more important than that,10 days later what did you look like?

DESIREE: I looked like I had a little sunburn.

SID: So what did your Jewish doctor say?

DESIREE: Well he was very encouraging and very happy.

MEL: Very.He said “Lookyou know the doctors can’t do everything.”He said “He’s very happy when people believe God”because he knows they need God for healing.And he said just stay in the Bookbecause we couldn’t have done that.We don’t know how that happened.

SID: Now the most outstanding miracle that you have seen,what is that;beyond your wife?

MEL: Beyond Desiree, the most outstanding miracle I’ve seenis to see somebody who’s lost, and broken, and empty inside,come to know God as their Father;and to see the hope and the joy.

SID: Now we Jewish people are taught God is distant.“You can’t know God,”my father used to say.He’s a fireand most Christians they know about God,but that’s not what you’re talking about is it?

MEL: No. I’m talking about, not religion, but a relationship.Somebody that comes and makes themself known to you;who is real, and loving;and just touches you in every part of your beingso that there’s hope in your life.That all of a sudden, the things that were bothering you before,they don’t bother you because there’s somebody greater.

SID: Now, do you need hope in your life?Of course you do.I mean not just an ostrich in the sand type of hope.I mean reality.I mean, aren’t you tired with the Hollywood facade?Aren’t you tired with playing the game?Don’t you think that there is a greater purpose for your life?There is a fulfillment that you’re not getting;that you are entitled to because you are a creation of God.The truth is if no one’s ever told you this before,I tell you.And God tells you,You are special.You’re special. You are to God.There’s no one like himand if you’ll just go to your Father;just get in his lap and say Abba Father,I’m sorryI’ve done some wrong things.I’ve messed up.Please forgive me.I believe that Jesus died for my mistakes.I’m sorry and just wash them awayand have nothing separate me.I want this love that they’re talking about.I want this acceptance.I want this purpose.I want this intimacy.I want to hold you;I want you to hold me,God.Do that.You don’t need a complex prayer and theology.Be like a little child;just reach out, reach out.You know why?His invisible arms are reaching out to you right now.Go on, get in there.

SID: Hello Sid Roth your investigative reporter here with Peggy Joyce Ruth. You know how to cause problems for someone;have three first names:PeggyJoyce.

PEGGY: Exactly.

SID: Now you look so happy and bouncy and cheerful and joyful.Sid there are a lot of people that aren’t that way,but about 30 years ago you weren’t that way.

PEGGY: 30 years ago I was under the care of a psychiatrist.I was under so much oppression and they had given meall the shock treatments that they could give me.And basically they had told my husbandto expect that I might end up in an institution.And they said I would be on medication for the rest of my life.And I just asked a question one day;I said Lord is there any way to be protectedfrom all the evil that’s coming on the earth?And I didn’t expect an answer.You know how sometimes you just ask questionsand you don’t really expect an answer.But I went to sleep and while I was sleeping I dreamed.And in the dream I was out in this open fieldand I was asking that same question;and I heard in my dream”in your day of trouble call upon me and I will answer.”

SID: Now did you know that came from the Bible?

PEGGY: Oh no.I didn’t know the word of God.I probably couldn’t have found anything in the Bibleat that time, had no idea.

SID: But still that had to be a great encouragement.

PEGGY: Oh I knew that something had happenedbecause on the inside I was just bouncing up and down;and when I came awake I knew I had the answer.I didn’t know what the answer wasbut I knew I had the answer.And then the next dayI heard someone just mention the word Psalm 91.They didn’t say what was in it, they just said Psalm 91and when I heard that I knew that the answer was in Psalm 91.I knew that no matter what it said,my answer was going to be there.And you should have seen mejust tearing up my Bible trying to…I ran and tried to find a Bible.And then I wasjust desperately going through it to try to find it;and in that Psalm were the exact wordsthat God had spoken to me in my dream.In verse 15″in your day of trouble call upon me and I will answer.”And there was an answer to every single fear I’d ever had.

SID: Fear; that’s a biggie.We are living in an age that medical science,the police, the domestic courts, your finances,there are no answersand literally there are more peopleand in particular even childrenthat are just like PeggyJoyce Ruth was.I mean you didn’t have any answers,but you say there are answers to every one of life’s problems.Give me an idea of one real life personthat took this Psalm 91 and had a miraculous solution.

PEGGY: Well I realized when I started studying.I studied it for several months, almost a yearbefore I ever started teaching it.And then once I started teaching itthen the people around us started catching on to itand they started…It’s not a magical formula.It’s just the word of God.And I found out that there are promises for protectionall through the word of God, but this is the only placewhere all of those protection promises are togetherin one chapter, one covenant.And so I realized this was a covenant that God had writtento give to us to give us hope.And so when I started teaching itthen my friends, my relatives, my familywe just started seeing miracles every day.

SID: But what happened to you?What about all that fear?

PEGGY: Well I was completely delivered from the fear;and part of the way that I was delivered- you know I had people pray for me,but the way I was delivered isI took these promises and I startedjust every day,I would do exactly what it told me.Verses 1 and 2 says “dwell in the shelter of the most high”"and abide under the shadow of the almighty.”And then start saying “God you’re my Lord, you’re my source.You’re the one in whom I trust.”

SID: Give me one example.

PEGGY: Ok so every day that I would do thatand as I taught this, we realizedone of my daughter’s friends; her name’s Julieand she lives in Fort Worth;and she knew to start confessing thisand running to God for her help.

SID: In other words saying it out loud.

PEGGY: Saying it out loud.It’s not enough to just think it.And this man pushed his way into her house and when he did,he came in with the intention of assaulting her;and she started confessing Psalm 91.And she started saying“I have the blood of Jesus and you can’t touch me.”And he would come at her and she would confess thatand he would just kind of lose his focus.

SID: Now what had he previously donebefore he came into her house?

PEGGY: Ok it was 45 minutes that she was confessing the word;and finally during one of those times when he lost his focus;she was able to get out the door.When they apprehended him they found outthat he had raped numerous young women.And this was the only one that been able to escape without harmand so you know we have…

SID: So in effect she would have been a statistic.

PEGGY: Oh exactly.

SID: If she did not know this ancient Jewish formula,Psalm 91.What about you?What do you think your life would have been like?

PEGGY: I truly believe that either would be deador I would be in an institutionbecause every day I was just absolutely miserable.I would just spend the day trying to wait for night to come;and then the moment night would come, then I would just thinkoh no, I dread the night;and I was just tormented day and night with fears.

SID: So do you relate to that?Is that something like you?Why don’t I recommend you try this ancient Jewish formula,and wait until you find out the other miracles;don’t go away, be right back.

SID: Hello SidRoth your investigative reporter.I find this very, very hard to believe.My guest, his name is Jerry Baysinger; I interviewed him on the radio.Now Jerry, you told me that there was a rabbi listening.You didn’t just tell me there was a rabbi listening to us.You said this was a rabbi that had cancer,I believe.And not only did you tell me there was a rabbi listening that had cancer, but you told me his first name.You told me his last name.How did you know this?

JERRY: I just knew the…just the presence of the Lord,through the Holy Spirit.It was just a knowing inside of me.

SID: But it wasn’t always that way.

JERRY: No.

SID: You had something that no one ever wants to hear.No one wants to get a death sentence from their doctor.But I’ve had friends that have had cancer of the liver, and that’s pretty much a death sentence.What did the doctors say exactly to you?

JERRY: Well I had gone to the doctor because I had a growth on my mouth that I thought was a wart.And I went in to have the dermatologist burn it off or whatever they did.And he looked at me and he saw some other places that didn’t look right so he wanted biopsies.And so when he did the biopsies, they came back malignant melanomas.And so he wanted to operate immediately to remove a large portion of my lower lip, my upper left ear, a big place out of my nose, my left lower eyelid, and a place out of my left forearm.

SID: Weren’t you kind of fearful over this?

JERRY: No,I really wasn’t prepared to hear something like that at all.I had just thought that they were going to freeze it or burn it off and that would be the end of it;and I’d go my merry way.And so they went to put me in the hospital to operate on me, to do the surgeries.And they sent me to my family doctor to have blood work done preparatory to me going in the hospital.

And they came back and said that I had something wrong with my liver functions, so they asked me to come back the next day.They drew blood again and I still had something wrong with my liver function.They tested me for AIDS, and mononucleosis, and hepatitis;and all of that came back negative.And so they sent me to the hospital to have biopsies done on my liver.And then the doctor told me “I have good news and bad news.”And I said “Give me the good news and he said I don’t think you need all the surgery they want to do.”And I was greatly relieved and I thought well good, but “What’s the bad news?” And he said “Well, your biopsies indicate you have advanced liver cancer, and you’ll be dead in a month.” He said “I wouldn’t waste my time…”

SID: What kind of doctor says something like that? That’s awful!Good news and bad news?That’s a joke!You must have been a little, I don’t know.What you were you?

JERRY: I was spaced out by the time they told me; when he told me I had advanced liver cancer,I just had a pit in my stomach and the hair on the back of my neck stood up.And I just kind of felt hot all over.It started all the way up to my head.And he said “You need to get your affairs in order.”He said “I wouldn’t waste my time with the surgery.It won’t help you because you’ll be dead in a month.”And I said “Is there anything they can do?” And he said “I’m sorry there’s nothing they can do.”He said “Go home and get your affairs in order.”

SID: So when you left the doctor what’s going on in your mind?

JERRY: My…the first thing that was going on in my mind is;I had just been married four years and what’s going to happen to my wife? It wasn’t so much about me, it was about my wife.I’m very much in love with her and I was just devastated.I thought somebody else is going to be spending years with my wife instead of me.And I went home and I couldn’t tell her for a long time.And I finally had to tell her.

SID: Sure, I mean the clock’s ticking.

JERRY: Yes, and I went to church every week like a lot of people do and doing God a favor.And I went to church that weekend and asked the elders of the church to pray for healing for me and anoint me for healing.And I gave my life to JesusChrist as my Lord and Savior.And I didn’t know it at that instant, but the Lord healed me.I didn’t feel anything like a lot of people do.They say they feel heat in their body.I didn’t feel anything, but what happened was in about two or three weeks, my melanomas started going away all by themselves.And, although I was still in a tremendous amount of pain with the liver cancer; and I continued to get worse and worse and worse;and I got down to 86 pounds.And during that time,God had given me Psalms 103 verses 2 and 3.It says “Bless the Lord oh my soul, and forget not all his benefits; who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases.”

SID: That’s a very inclusive thing.I mean it’s everything!All of your diseases, all of your sins, but the truth is people that love God are dying every day – prematurely.

JERRY: That’s right and I said to the Lord, “LordI gave my life to you what are you trying to tell me here? And are you going to heal me?” And the Holy Spirit spoke to me and said “I’ve already healed you.”And I said “You could have fooled me,” because I was getting sicker by the day.And I was getting so weak.I own a furniture repair business and I was getting so weak that I couldn’t even pick my toolboxes up to carry them.And I would go to somebody’s house on a service call, and tell them that God’s word says I’m healed; that I have liver cancers and melanomas.And they’d look at me and say “Well you don’t look healed.”And I’d say “Well I don’t feel healed either.”

SID: How much did you weigh again?

JERRY: 86 pounds.

SID: And you’re working and you’re in pain.And you’re telling them I’m fine…there’s something wrong with your eyes?

JERRY: I’d tell them it’s impossible for God to lie.It says right here in the Bible“….it’s impossible for God to lie” and he says I’m healed by the stripes of Jesus so I’m healed.And then people would say “Well I have ‘this and this’ the matter with me” and I said “Let me pray for you.God will heal you too.”And I would pray for people.

SID: Tell me the first person you remember praying for.

JERRY: The very first person I remember praying for was a young man about college age.And he went to church with us and he was in the hospital with a blood disease and he was dying.And my pastor gave me permission to go pray for him.And I went and laid hands on him, and told him how God had healed me of liver cancer; and gave him my testimony and God healed him too!

SID: How many years has it been since you were diagnosed with cancer with one month to live?

JERRY: Ten years.

SID: You look pretty healthy to me.

JERRY: I feel pretty healthy.

SID: Now I’m curious.God told you you were healed in his Word.But if you hadn’t agreed with God’s Word, do you think someone else would be with your wife right now?

JERRY: I do; because the people I pray for; the people that believe get healed.The people that don’t believe don’t get healed.It’s not necessarily a choice of God’s to heal; because God already did everything that needed to be done for us to receive our healing.It’s up to us to receive it and believe, just like salvation.You know we can’t be saved unless we come and believe.

SID: Tell me about, I find this almost hard to believe.In Africa, there was a woman without eyeballs?

JERRY: Right.

SID: Tell me about that.

JERRY: A young lady brought her up to me.I thought she was a child because she was short, but she was an older lady.And she had given her life to JesusChrist and the Muslims had taken their thumbs and poked both her eyeballs out.And all she had was eye sockets.And I felt such sadness and compassion rise up in me.And I put my hands on her eyes and I just stood there and I said “Jesus show her your mercy.”And I stood there for about ten minutes with my hands on her eyes, and I took my hands off and she had eyeballs,but she still couldn’t see.

SID: Wait, she had eyeballs, but there were no eyeballs!They were pushed, they were just pulled out almost.And you could see the eye?Did you see the pupil? Did you just see the white?

JERRY: Before she had nothing but holes and afterwards I could see the pupils and everything; perfectly formed eyes.

SID: But she couldn’t see?

JERRY: But she could not see.

SID: Well that’s still pretty good.

JERRY: But it’s not good enough for God.

SID: What happened?

JERRY: So I put my hands back on her face again, and I stood there for about fifteen minutes just praising God.I didn’t pray for her.I didn’t ask God to put eyeballs in her,I just said “God show her your mercy; show her your mercy.Thank you Lord for the mercy you’re showing her.”And I took my hands off a second time and she saw.

SID: How do you have such fervent…?I’m not hearing 99% faith in God’s Word.You have a 100%!How do you have that?

JERRY: That’s simple!The Bible says it is impossible for God to lie.If it is impossible for God to lie and it’s written in his Word, then we can have what he says we can have, if we’ll believe.

SID: Listen there are…I know I’m speaking to so many people right now.I’m speaking to you.Perhaps you have cancer.Or perhaps you have diabetes.Or perhaps you have horrible pain in your body.Or perhaps your back is hurting you.Or your neck is hurting you.Or you have migraine headaches, or heart trouble.There’s even a woman that has severe diarrhea.Could all these people be healed right now?

JERRY: Absolutely.

SID: All of them?

JERRY: There’s only one requirement.

SID: What?

JERRY: “Fear not.Believe only.”

SID: Sounds too simple.

JERRY: That’s why everybody misses it.We try to make it something hard.God makes things easy for us.You know we can’t work to get salvation.All we can do is come to him and receive what he has already done on the cross for us.

SID: I tell you this.“Let every man be a liar, but God’s Word is true.”Get ready for your miracle.We’ll be right back after this word.Don’t you dare go away!

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Janie DuVall. Janie is co-producer of It’s Supernatural television. And Janie and I have similar backgrounds. We came to the Lord about the same time. We both come from a Jewish background. And Janie, there was a book that you read and I read in the early’70s. It was by John Sherrill, “They Speak in Other Tongues”. And that book really, it was so amazing. You see, in this book, it was kind of a bestseller back then and everyone that was speaking in supernatural languages was most brand new believers, there was a movement, the charismatic movement at that point, was reading that book. And this fellow was a skeptic. He did not believe that these languages were anything but gibberish. So he went around and he took a tape recorder and he recorded these languages. Then he went to a language lab of a university and had many of these experts. They study semantics. They know if it’s a language or not. So they listened to these languages and they said, “We know through the science of semantics that they are old, ancient languages, but they are real languages. It’s not just gibberish.” And that impressed me so much that Janie DuVall did an experiment. She didn’t tell me about it ‘till after she did it. But she spoke into a tape recorder or made a CD of her prayer language. And what did you do with it, Janie?

JANIE: I taped three minutes. And we contacted a whole bunch of universities around the United States, university language experts, linguistic experts, and we didn’t tell them anything. We just said, “Here we’d like you to listen to this. Tell us what this is.” And so I’m a Jewish New Yorker. My last name is French, but that’s because of my husband. I am not French. But I prayed in supernatural languages on that tape, and this is what some of the professors said. They said, “This is definitely a native French speaker.” Several of them said that. And they said, one said that it was a performance art piece constructed passage performed by a native speaker of French, purely for the sound. But they said, and that professor himself was a native French speaker himself. But then another professor said that he believed that it was old French, a variety of Medieval language, and he said, and maybe from Provencal. So I thought, you know, I didn’t tell you this one, and here’s the surprise. I looked up Provencal. I thought, what is that? And it was a little French language. It’s extinct now. And it was spoken in the 1300’s, and listen to this. It was spoken by the Jewish French community in 1300.

SID: That is super. But I’ll tell you what’s even more exciting than that is several scientists did brain studies of people that speak in supernatural tongues. And you see the center of speech, I learned this from some people I was interviewing, is what’s called the frontal lobe. And Janie, what did their research find?

JANIE: Well Dr. Andrew Newberg, a scientist, said, in the frontal lobe when we’re speaking the language that we know there’s activity going on in the frontal lobe. But he did studies, when people speak in supernatural languages there’s no activity. So it has to be coming from Spirit.

SID: So it’s not coming from the mind.

JANIE: That’s right.

SID: It’s coming from your spirit. And this is a kind of interesting story. I had the same experience. Janie and I are kind of going parallel with these experiences. But Janie’s mother, on Yom Kippur, now this is her Jewish mother, on Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement, had an experience with Jesus. What happened?

JANIE: Jesus appeared to my mom on Yom Kippur a few years before I was born. But she argued with him, being Jewish, saying, “I cannot be seeing you,” which I thought, how do you argue when he appears to you. But she just said, “I can’t be seeing you. I’m Jewish.” So inside she believed, but, hmmm.

SID: Okay. So Janie comes home after becoming a believer. What caused you to speak in a supernatural language to your mother? You knew she wouldn’t understand that.

JANIE: You know, I thought, okay, my mother is just gonna have to hear this. My mom was an expert in the Romance languages. She never spoke it at home, but she knew French, Italian, Latin, Spanish. And so I thought, you know when I heard the supernatural languages coming out of me for the first time I heard a whole bunch of languages. So I said, “Okay Mom, listen to this. Tell me what ‘s going on.” And my mother just absolutely flipped. She said, “You are speaking in Latin. I hear French. I hear Italian and you’re saying that Jesus is coming back soon. Worship Jesus. Sing to him.”

SID: You know, I had something so amazing that parallels what Janie’s talking about. When I received my supernatural language I didn’t feel anything. I didn’t hear anything. Just by faith I started speaking. The man told me to do it, I believed that he knew what he was talking about, so therefore, I could do it. I was like a child. I had like childlike faith. If they had said you could sing, you could walk on water, I would have walked on water. But then immediately after I started speaking my language the thought popped in my head, you’re making that up. And so I was kind of, James calls it, I was kind of double-minded as far as my supernatural language. And at that time an orthodox Jewish rabbi became a believer in Jesus. And I was talking with him and a woman came up that was expecting a baby, and the doctor had said the baby was dead within her. And she walked up to me, and I’m a brand new believer, and she said, “Pray for my baby to come to life.” Now I didn’t know anything. That was a little too much for me. And so when I prayed for the baby to come back to life all I could think of doing was praying in my supernatural language, and I did it. And after she left, the rabbi said to me, “You were speaking in an ancient form of Hebrew. Where did you learn it?” I said, “Rabbi, I know Bar Mitzvah Hebrew. I know how to read it. I don’t speak too many words.” This rabbi said to me, “Sid, you prophesied that the child was with the God the Father and be at peace.” And I, Janie, I never doubted again. And doubt is not good because the just shall live by faith. We’ll be right back with some amazing harmony, like a symphony of a group of people that have never rehearsed, praying in supernatural languages. Be right back.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Kevin Basconi. And I don’t know about you, Kevin, ‘cause I don’t know how much experience you have with television, but I am enjoying talking with you because there’s such a nice sweet presence of God on this set. Now you prophesy. Tell me about the time you prophesied over a man that he was going to get an invention.

KEVIN: I was just ministering at a conference and the Lord stopped me, and actually an angel stepped in and began to speak in my left ear. And I simply stepped, I needed to do what the Holy Spirit was showing me. As a matter of fact, some of the people who are watching this show, you can take this prophetic word for yourself because it’s still active. And the Lord showed me that God was gonna give someone creative ability with Internet and web pages.

SID: So you were specific.

KEVIN: Yeah. I didn’t know anything about that. And I said someone here, someone listening is going to receive supernatural knowledge of how to create web pages, an IT business And later, a man whom I know, God supernaturally visited him and helped him to write code for web pages. They were extremely successful and began to make $30,000 a month up to $90,000 almost immediately.

SID: There was a point where you had a need, not for yourself, but for an orphanage that you have.

KEVIN: Yes, Sid. I had been really sad because our orphanage collapsed, and I was crying out to God. And the Lord says, “Release your Angel of Provision.” And I’m like, duh, yeah. So I prayed and I released this angel’s name under the authority of the Holy Spirit. And within 72 hours we had miracles happen. But the same time that I prayed this other gentleman, who was another nation by the way, had a visitation of the Lord. The Lord spoke to him specifically to begin to help our orphans and our ministry, and he called me within a few hours and wired us $10,000 which enabled me to go to Tanzania to rescue 27 children. I went 27,000 miles to preach to 27 children, and it was the most powerful time I’ve ever been in with the presence and tangible love of Jesus there.

SID: So let me get this straight. At the time you’re praying to God the Lord himself goes to this man and instructs him to send you 10,000. Did he know what he was sending it for?

KEVIN: He was actually driving in a car and he had a vision, and he saw my face and he saw the children in our orphanage, and the Lord spoke to him to help us.

SID: Had he ever seen the children in the orphanage? Did he know you had an orphanage?

KEVIN: Yes, he knew us.

SID: That is phenomenal. But I’ll tell you something else that intrigues me immensely, and a lot of you are watching right now. You are gonna to be intrigued immensely. You were taken to Heaven and you saw like vaults. Explain that to me.

KEVIN: Sid, I had, Paul said that whether in body or out of body, I don’t know. I had an experience where I was taken up into the realms of Heaven. This was common the first two years that I was walking with Jesus. And I was fellowshipping with Jesus, and he pointed off to his right and he showed me what I can only describe as a bank vault. And there were two strong angels there which seemed to be overseeing this vault, and I walked in, and it was massive. There were very, very big, 50, 60 feet tall and hundreds of yards, and it was like a medical, a sterile environment. And as I walked through there, there were thousands of organs, eyeballs, fingers, toes, pancreases, livers. All these different organs were in there. And I just had a revelation as I walked down this corridor with these angels that these are spare body parts which God wants to release to those people on Earth who need these things. It should be normal for us to be able to access the realms of Heaven and loose these things upon us. It was shortly after that the man grew the eyeball.

SID: How common will this become that these body parts where angels will transport them to people, someone without an arm, the arm coming on, someone without even, I’ve seen people on television where their face is blown off and they put like a mask on. I could see God restoring faces.

KEVIN: I believe that’s gonna happen. I believe God can do anything He wants to. And I believe it’s gonna be common, not just with chosen vessels. Sid, I’m talking about children in the third world. I’m talking about women in Iraq and Iran. I’m talking about normal people from

every walk of life will be anointed by Jesus to do these types of creative miracles.

SID: And then tell me about you saw this other area that had mantles, if you will, the presence of

God to accomplish specific things. Tell me about that.

KEVIN: This was another occasion when I was fellowshipping with Jesus in the realms of Heaven. The Lord pointed to another room and I walked into again what looked like a bank vault. And this time there were angels there which were overseeing this area. And as I walked into the vault I saw it was lined with beautiful boxes. And as I began to walk down through there I was wondering what in the world was in these boxes, because I knew it was very viable in God’s kingdom. And I couldn’t understand at first. But then I began to see names on the boxes. And after about a half an hour I saw a few names that I recognized, names like Mariah Wentworth Edder or Smith Wigglesworth, or John Wentworth. And I thought, who in the world are these? And so I had the revelation I could take any box I wanted. And I was attracted to a box. So when I picked this box up I felt the power of God search through my hands and into my body, and I looked, and there was a tag on it that said, “The Mantle of Steven.” This angel took this garment off, put it upon me and then I returned to where the Lord was. The Lord looked at me and He beamed and smiled, and says, “You’ve chosen well.”

SID: Any idea how this mantle is going to affect your ministry? Because he was a man who moved in strong in signs and wonders.

KEVIN: I believe Steven had a mantle for creative miracles. I believe that God, Yeshua, Jesus, is releasing this mantle to whosoever will.

SID: So you could pray right now for people that are watching?

KEVIN: I believe that we could pray impartation, yes.

SID: Do that right now.

KEVIN: Okay. Lord, today in the name of Jesus I pray for those folks who are watching this today that the anointing of the Holy Spirit for creative miracles will begin to come upon people. I ask you, Lord, to release the Mantle of Steven to the people today. And I just thought for some of you, you just need to search your heart, and you’re saying, “God would never use me like that.” Yes He will. God will use you like that. There’s a young man, you’re 17 years old. You’re watching this. You’re involved with marijuana and other drugs. God can use you like this. I see God anointing young men, young women, even adolescents, six, seven, eight-year-old children with this type of mantle for creative miracles. Step out in faith and begin to pray in the name of Jesus, and you’ll begin to see blind eyes open, deaf ears open, tumors dissolve, and God do wonderful things. As you stretch forth your hand in the name of Yeshua, he will heal as you pray. And I believe that with all my heart.

SID: And you 17-year-old that’s involved in drugs, do you see what God is offering you? Do you see what the Creator of the universe is offering you? Why would you fool with the toys of this earth that only destroy and kill, and injure when you could come to know the king of love, Yeshua, the Messiah. And talk about mantles. How would you like to have a mantle called the Mantle of Righteousness? When God looks at you He sees His son Jesus. You can’t get any more righteous than that. Turn from your sins. Ask God to forgive you because of the blood of Jesus. Make Jesus your Lord and become a student of the Word. Start meditating on it. That means speaking it out loud, mumbling it, muttering it, and watch what God’s gonna do with you. Oh I feel such love for God pouring into you right now, not just the 17-year-old. Whosoever

people are healed on Earth. I call her the stress-buster psalmist.

SID:  Hello Sid Roth your investigative reporter here with Doug Jones and are you ready have you got that switch of faith turned on even now?  But the question is posed Doug; it’s one thing to preach it, it’s another thing to teach it, but it is more important to live it. Question: have you ever been sick?

DOUG:  Sure.

SID:  And have you practiced what you are preaching and seen results?

DOUG:  Yes sir, very much so. We are people who are belief governed we are to live by what we believe. And that doesn’t mean we don’t go to doctors we need to make that clear, and that does not mean that we do not corporate with the medical science, with the medical field that we do not in many times take the operation. That does not mean anything about that at all.  No time does the Bible ever say that taking medication or going to doctors or cooperating with the doctors is a sign of doubt and in belief. And so in many cases it is going to be medical science and your faith working together that creates the changes in our lives. And I run into a lot of people that think that going to doctors taking medicines, just shows a lack of faith. It is not a sign of lack in faith. The Bible says that if you have the power in your hand to do good and you hold it well then that is wrong. And so if we have the power to cooperate with the doctors then cooperate with the doctors, but in the meantime keep the switch of faith turned on.

SID:  Now you also said that there was a third ingredient and that is rather than making it a formula, yielding to the Holy Spirit in each specific instance.

DOUG:  Yes,

SID:  What do you mean by that?

DOUG:  We need to be led by the Spirit of God, the Spirit of God can guide you through passages that what will I call, “tweak” your beliefs; causes your beliefs to be more fined tuned.  Many times the Spirit of God will direct you; maybe through a teaching or maybe through a tape or maybe through a pastor that can bring you to the point to where you need to be. The Spirit of God, the Bible says in John 14 and John 16, will guide you and lead you into all truth. He will teach you all things, so we need to be sensitive to the Spirit of God.

SID:  Speaking being sensitive to the Spirit of God, I tell you right now that the Spirit of God is increasing your faith to believe, there is a healing anointing that is going to pour out of your television, get ready get in place, Doug pray.

DOUG:  Father in the name of Jesus, we just thank you father, that you have supplied healing on us through the death burial resurrection father through your son and through his crucifixion the healing power of God was made available to man kind. Because you knew that we were going to need healing long before we ever knew that sickness could be acquired. And so father we thank you that in Jesus name as we pray that the healing power of God is being administered to everybody, to every single individual that needs healing we thank you father…

SID:  Doug, I just feel that I have to interrupt you right now and I just want you to take your hand and put it on your body because he is going to because the Bible says that those that believe in the name of Jesus will lay hands on the sick and they will recover. Will, will, will!  Go ahead continue.

DOUG:  Yes and so in father Jesus name we just thank you that your healing power is administered now and we command every body to be healed from the top of  their head to the soles of  their feet, the healing power of God be administered to your body. And so because we believe that we received when we prayed, father we thank you  for your goodness, we thank you father that it is working mightily within each body and father from this point on we believe that we received we believe that we are recovering now in the name of Jesus. And father we thank you for those things giving you the glory and giving you the praise because each day will be a better day. Each day father will be a pain free day, and father we thank you that in Jesus name that your power is at work within our bodies in the name of Jesus amen.

SID:  And for those that did not have the instant manifestation, tell them what to do between now and the manifestation occurs look in the camera and tell them.

DOUG:  Believing that we are receiving when we pray, Mark 11 verse 24, with the spirit of Thanksgiving, father thank you that your power is at work within my body, every time that you think of it, it maybe when you take that medicine out of the cabinet you know take your daily dose, it maybe when you take the shot, it maybe when you walk into the doctors office every time you think of it say with your mouth let your words be heard. Paul said I believed and therefore I have spoken.  We also believe and therefore speak.  It is time to get to start speaking what we are believing.  We believe that we receive the power of God is working mightily and father we believe were we have conquered the whole fancier confession until you are satisfied with the fruit produced.

SID:  You know of the things that Doug and I are so excited about that yes God’s laws are true God’s words are true, but you can’t approach it legalistically you have to approach it in the Spirit and yield to the Spirit of God. And that is why I have to yield to the Spirit of God right now and tell you that there are people who have hearing problems ringing in the ears any type of hearing difficulty you are being healed right now. There are people with horrible horrific neck and back problems if you will bend over move your head you will see, Doug one of the most exciting miracles that you have see in healing school tell me about it.

DOUG:  I suppose probably the most exciting one was a lady, this one was through a word of knowledge a lady had a tumor on her back about the size of an egg, and through a word of knowledge that was called out and she was healed instantly.

SID:  Now did anyone see this happen?

DOUG:  Some ladies took her back and  found that it was gone, absolutely completely gone, and so that was a tremendous blessing, tremendous miracle, but that is once again the gift of healings, we have had many people that believed that they have received held fast of  their confession of faith and healed of cancer many of them. And so the issue is once again you hold fast with the word of God, you operate within the word of God, and results will occur it’s when we start getting so taken up with our problems, that we become distracted with our problems that we become a hearer of the word and not a doer. I will never forget I was teaching a healing school one day and I had drawn a mountain on the chalkboard and I was taking with Mark 11:23, speak into your mountain. And the lord said to me he said there are people in this room that are so taken so captivated by  their mountain, they forgot what I told them to do about  their mountain.

SID:  How about you, is that you? You are so captivated by your symptoms, well let me tell you something a Greek scholar recently said something to me that was so exciting, were the word of God says if you believe you will receive, the word receive in Greek actually means something stronger it means take. If you believe then you should do what I told you at the top of the show, reach your hand into the visibly realm and take what is rightfully yours, what our messiah died for why for only one reason he loves you he calls you special he calls you a man a woman with destiny, with purpose see you have been called to the kingdom for such a time as this. And he not only wants you to walk in divine health he wants you to lay hands on the sick and have them walk in divine health why? Because a miracle demands the fact that God had shown up and demands the confrontation of will I continue to be a sinner, and live with the devil, or will I repent of my sin and say I am linking with you Jesus the choice is yours, choose this day with whom you will serve. Serve the living God.

SID:  Hello Sid Roth your investigative reporter here with Doug Jones, and I will tell you what if you put a string on me I am going to fly. The presence of God is strong on this set right now that I absolutely believe that all things are possible to those that believe. Doug, you are talking about keys that are so important but you told me a story when I interviewed you on the radio; that you know sometimes oatmeal would stick to your ribs.

DOUG:  Yes,

SID:  This has stuck with me and I know that you were very close with Doctor Kenneth Hagin who is now in heaven. And he tells a story actually it was never published it was in an unpublished manuscript that you had read that meant so much to me, please tell us that.

DOUG:  He talks about a little, a little child that was brought to him in a prayer line both feet were clubbed feet, both feet were deformed. And the child was brought into the prayer line and so Brother Hagin has been praying for the sick and actually had a blind woman that had been blind for three years, actually be healed through that prayer line. And so after that prayer line was over with Brother Hagin took that little child and actually took those clubbed feet actually put him in his hands, and laid hands upon those clubbed feet and prayed. And went ahead and prayed the prayer of faith, and believed that they received, and what happened was he opened up his hands and both feet are still the same, both feet are clubbed feet he went ahead and laid his hands upon those feet one more time, praying and looked up and told the couple, I am telling you I have a stronger anointing right now to minister to these clubbed feet then I did with the blind woman who was healed out there in front ago.

SID:  And yet the clubbed feet are the same.

DOUG:  And yet the clubbed feet are the same. That healing power was administered to this child’s body that healing power was administered I know it I felt it go out of my hands. That healing power actually went out of my hands into these child’s clubbed feet. And he said these words to him, keep the switch of faith turned on, every time you think of it say the healing power of God was ministered Thursday night to our child’s feet. And it is in there working mightily.

SID:  But what do most people do, they say oh the clubbed feet are still there, I guess it didn’t work; I got to find another healing line.

DOUG:  That is exactly right, but Brother Hagin said keep the switch of faith turned on, it’s the first time that I can find were he uses that phrase.  And he defines it, and the definition of the switch of faith is the belief that the power has been ministered and that it is working mightily.  And for years Brother Hagin has used that phrase “Keep the switch of faith turned on.” “Keep the switch of faith turned on.”  He would use it after praying for the sick. Well what is the switch of faith, he said it every time you think of it say the healing power of God has been ministered to these feet and is in there working mightily. So they went home and they did just what Brother Hagin told them to do and about a week later they had brought the child back to the church, brother Hagin had already gone his way, gone to another meeting but they had brought the child back to the church were brother Hagin had prayed for them showed the child, both feet were completely normal. They were healed, simply because they kept the switch of faith turned on.

SID:  How easily they could of stopped.

DOUG:  Yes sir,

SID:  And literally aborted the seed that healed the anointing that is what we are praying for, that healing anointing to come inside of us.

DOUG:  And it is anointing, it is the healing power of God. That is what it is and it is ministered every time someone lays hands upon you. Because obedience always releases the power any time, any time you have a promise…

SID:  Does it matter whether it is a Doug Jones that lays hands on you, or John Q. Christian next door?

DOUG:  No it does not. That is my point any time anyone acts upon the word of God anytime anyone acts upon a…

SID:  It doesn’t matter if I take my hand and put it on myself.

DOUG:  It does not matter; it does not matter. You are acting on a promise, and the moment you act on a promise the healing power is always released there is power contained with every promise there is life contained in every promise his word is full of power and life and every time you act on a promise, then the power or the life within the promise is released within your life. That is the reason why when Peter acted on the word come and stepped outside that boat he is acting on a promise and the moment he stepped out he is releasing the power with the word come. And it has such power that it can defy the laws of nature and all of a sudden Peter steps out onto that water and he’s got solid out from underneath his foot; simply because he acted on the word of God. Any time you act on the word of God, power is always released

SID:  Okay I am going to have you in a moment pray the prayer of faith for the sick. Let’s assume that some people instantly have miracles and they will.

DOUG:  And that is fine.

SID:  And let’s assume that some people don’t; what should they say…

DOUG:  Keep the switch of faith turned on.

SID:  Again how?

DOUG:  I believe that the power is in my body and I believe it is working mightily. See the Bible says Jesus says that we are to believe to receive.

SID:  Every time you have a doubt you should be saying that out loud or?

DOUG:  Yes sir, out loud yes sir. And that is a huge issue we cannot win the battle of the mind by being silent we must use our mouth and it is time we start using our mouth when it comes to those doubts. Nope the Bible says they shall lay hands upon the sick and they shall recover. I believe that I recovered, I believe that I received, I believe that the healing power of God is in my body is working mightily and we are saying that until we are satisfied with the fruit produced. And it doesn’t matter whether it takes two weeks, two days, two hours, it does not matter.

SID:  What about two years?

DOUG:  You stay true to your beliefs.

SID:  Okay have I got some news for you, Doug is going to pray this supernatural prayer of faith in just a moment when we come back.  But I’ve got a free bee for you, it is called the word of knowledge, and you see the presence of God is running through your body right now and I tell you that every bone every arthritic condition every pain in your body whether it is your neck or your back or your hip or your little toes or your fingers if you will move right now it is a free bee it’s yours be healed in Yeshua that’s Hebrew for Jesus name, we will be right back in a moment and you start turning that switch of faith on right now get ready it’s coming, it’s coming.

SID:  Hello Sid Roth your investigative reporter here with Doug Jones and again I am so excited. The reason is, is that I got a hold of two of his teaching books and I had heard about Doug for many years. But he has a supernatural gift of teaching that allows people to reach into the invisible realm and literally take, literally appropriate the healing that God has for them.  Doug you taught at Rhema Bible College which you do right now at the school.  You have led the healing room, you actually became very close to Kenneth Hagin; at one point you even lived with him, what is in your opinion the number one reason people are not healed today?  People that know that God heals, but it’s the grandmother that might say, “God works in mysterious ways that we don’t understand.”

DOUG:  Yeah, it is really a lack of knowledge.  The Bible says very plainly that we will be destroyed from lack of knowledge. In Isaiah chapter 5:13 he talks about the fact that we are going to captivity because we have no knowledge; and there is a particular type of knowledge that we need to have in order to obtain healing.  You know as well as I do Sid that people are going to receive healing through two avenues one is going to be the gifts of the spirits; manifestation of the workings of miracles, the gifts of healings, through words of knowledge.

SID:  But unfortunately that doesn’t happen to everyone.

DOUG:  No I agree, because that is as the Holy Ghost wills.

SID:  I wish that the Holy Spirit would will for every single person, I mean that is the way that I would like it to be. But the truth is I go to meetings and some people have spectacular miracles and the others go home and say what is wrong with me God?

DOUG:  But, well see, the other avenue through which we receive healing is through faith. It’s through being taught the word of God, obtain certain beliefs and allowing those beliefs to govern their lives until they are satisfied with the fruit produced.  The main belief that people must have; most people have been prayed for; most people have desired prayer because they desire to be healed because they have been prayed for. But they have never stepped into that realm of believing that they received when they prayed. Jesus said in Mark 11:24 what things you desire when you pray and believe that you receive them and you shall have them.

SID:  But I have heard a lot of people say that ‘I believed that I have received it’ and then if you listen to them long enough, 24 hours later they say ‘I think I received it.’  And they’re not saying that, but the fact it’s almost like a mental thing rather than a spiritual thing.

DOUG:  Very true, because if we believe we receive when we pray; first of all we wouldn’t be stepping into every prayer line offered to us.  Because when I received the last time, the time last Sunday night when I was prayed for, I believed that the power of God was administered into my body and it is in there working mightily.  And from that point on there’s nothing to do but to say thank you Father.  Thank you that the power is in my body working mightily.  Most people do not believe that they have received the healing power of God when it was ministered to them.  They don’t believe that they received it.

SID:  I don’t know whether you have seen this, but I have seen people prayed for, I have prayed for people, and they walk away.   I see what they are doing; they are examining their body and their symptoms are still there.   And what goes through their mind, I am not healed.

DOUG:  Brother Hagin would always say this “The instant I lay my hands upon you the healing power of God will be administered to your body, but what you do with it after that is up to you.” And so what happens is, is so many people today are so taken up with, what I am going to get is my manifestation when that man lays hands on me man my manifestation is going to be given to me and that is going to be the end of it. And when they don’t get their manifestation, because in essence what God gives the sick when hands are laid upon them, is the healing power of God. Sid the Bible says they should lay hands…

SID:  That is very interesting what you just said. You just said something that is so important, what they receive is the healing power of God they think they are receiving

DOUG:   Their manifestation.

SID:  Yes, oh big difference.

DOUG:  Big difference and so the woman with the issue of blood she came and pressed down toward the hem of his garment, touched his hem.  Jesus known himself the virtue thrown out of him; that word virtue is power in Mark 5.  And so that means then she came to get her healing, but what she received was healing power. The healing power of God has to be administered first before it will ever receive the manifestation.  But what has happened is, is that we have become so focused on the manifestation that we have chosen not to believe that we have received when we prayed. The very fact that he tells you to believe that you receive when you pray, indicates to me that you are not going to receive something that is tangible to the touch. Perceptible by sight it is going to be something that is ministered inwardly unperceptive to the touch. That healing power of God is administered to the root of that problem.

SID:  So what you are saying to me whether they are feeling anything or not it is happening.

DOUG:  Yes sir that is exactly what I am saying.

SID:  And we get faked out because we don’t feel something.

DOUG:  Yes sir, and then what happens is we neglect what we did receive; we received the healing power of God the moment the hands are laid upon us. But because we have got our eyes focused on “well, where’s my manifestation?” then we neglect the power of God that is in us; and therefore it just sits there laying dormant with our lives.  It’s possible for things to be given to us by the laying of the hands, to lay in us dormant inactive. Remember over there in 1 Timothy chapter 4 Paul tells Timothy neglect not the gift that is in thee, neglect not the gift that is in thee. You can neglect gifts that are in thee which was given to thee by prophecy with the laying under the hands of the presbytery.  But you meditate upon these things and give yourself wholly unto them; that your property may appear unto all. Now I know that verse is not talking about healing power but it is talking about something that is received through the laying of hands. It was a spiritual gift, and if you can neglect a spiritual gift, well then you can neglect the healing power of God that was administered to you through the laying of hands. It can just lay in there dormant, and so the issue for us is, is to first of all make people aware of the fact that the healing power of God is administered to their bodies. Sid we’re having people fall out under the power of God; laying prostrate on the floor because they walk away, boy the power was sure are having people fall out under the power of God laying prostate on the there tonight. We are having people feel the power of God go out of  their hands we are actually having people today feel the power of God going into them, well it felt like electricity, well it just felt like warm honey just kind of flowing all over me. And so we are falling out by this, we are having hands lay upon us that actually felt it go out of their hands and into the sick. We are actually having people feel the power of God go into their bodies and yet they are walking away and saying I didn’t get anything.

SID:  So something is missing we are about ready to understand this.  That is what I believe light bulbs are going on right now, and I believe that before this show is over you are going to receive the miracle you have been asking God for, it is yours, don’t go away.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Ken and Jeanne Harrington. And, you know, in the times we’re living in people are losing jobs or they’re being downgraded or demoted. And God works with you on understanding Kingdom Principles through job situations. Tell me about the Randy story.

KEN: I had been working for this young fellow that was not as experienced as I was, but he ended up being my foreman. And our job was running down. I got a call to go work at a mine and to bring somebody with me. So I decided I’m gonna bring Randy along. And we drove out together, filled out the application form. I handed my in. He handed his in. And then the secretary, in the process of just assigning our ID numbers, gave him a lower number, which didn’t mean anything to me, except he now had seniority over me, even though I was the one that had brought him along. Well something happened at the job that they needed to try and deal with a few things and it was gonna result in some layoffs, and so Randy got laid off. But because he had seniority he bumped me, even though I had gotten him the job.

SID: But that’s not fair.

KEN: Well it’s not fair, no. And I was upset. But in the process we decided we’d start a company. Well that company has produced in the last 20 years between three and four million dollars. So even though it was not something good that happened, God turned it to good. And this is–

SID: But how did you react when that occurred?

KEN: Well I was upset originally. But then I started to see the hand of God in it. And I actually ended up going back to work for them. They rehired me in about four months. Then we got laid off again, the two of us, this time. They eliminated our job. And I felt actually to take Randy with me on another job where he was working for me.

SID: How could you do that? He just took your place.

KEN: Because God told me to. So I had to say there was something more he wanted to work out. Well what happened was he hadn’t changed and he stabbed me in the back again, and I lost my standing in this particular company. But what God was actually doing for me was He was allowing Randy to work out something in me, which was my independence and my doing it my way where I actually had to start to trust God that even when all these bad things go wrong, he’s in control. Don’t worry about it. And the end was that I was able to actually witness to him at one time, and because he knew had hurt so many times he was able to listen and respond.

SID: Did he receive the Lord?

KEN: Yes he did. I don’t say he walked out really great, but he actually did make a confession.

SID: But the difference is that you flowed with the spirit of God rather than being a hard head by using Kingdom Principles.

KEN: Part of the Kingdom Principle is you don’t have to protect yourself. That’s God’s job.

SID: Okay. Jeanne, you prayed for at least five people with tumors that they’ve disappeared. Tell me about that.

JEANNE: One year, five people were diagnosed with brain tumors in our church body, and I would pray for them. And as soon as I laid hands I believe that they were healed, totally healed, there was no brain tumor. One of them is Lyle S.. And he sent in just recently an email, and he had been diagnosed with a brain tumor, and he had it on the pituitary gland, and he was scheduled for an operation. They could see it. And I met him in the hallway and I said, “I don’t believe you have tumor.” And he said, “But the doctor said.” I said, “I don’t believe you have a tumor.” And I prayed for him. And there was no tumor when he went back. And so I believe sometimes God sets us up. Will we believe Him or will we believe the doctor, or what we see? And we’ve got to move into this higher realm. We’ve got to move into the supernatural and start believing God’s word. And I believe there’s people out there that have been diagnosed with diseases, and God wants to heal you. He wants to touch you. He wants to set you free from that disease.

KEN: The interesting thing about what Jeanne is saying, she’s not saying they weren’t sick. She’s not denying that. But Jesus said in the scriptures, “By his stripes you were healed.” So the healing is the truth. The sickness is the facts. But the facts aren’t always the truth. If I can give you an example, this table, is it real? Well yes, of course it’s real. But what was it a hundred years ago?

SID: A tree.

KEN: Yeah. And what’s it gonna be in another hundred years?

SID: Soil.

KEN: Right. It will turn into something else. So even though at this slice of time it is really a table, it is something that’s in transition. The Bible says that the eternal things never change. So we have a sickness that is a fact at this slice of time. We have a healing, which is the truth. What we need to do is to be able to transition the sickness into the truth. Jesus says, “I am the truth.” He didn’t ever change it. So if he says you’re healed, it doesn’t matter what the facts say, that you can, if you can shift your way of thinking to agreeing with him, he can bring that truth to overcome the facts.

JEANNE: And I see somebody out there right now. You’ve been flipping through the stations and you think you’re here by accident. You are here by the destiny of God. This is your appointed time. You’ve been having problems with your left knee and right now the Holy Spirit is touching you and healing it. There’s someone out there that’s really depressed. You feel like is it ever gonna change for me? I can’t take my life any more. It will change. God loves you. He loves you so much He sent His son for you. And He is going to cause change to come into your life. And God says, “I am for you, not against you. I have plans for your life.” And there’s someone that’s had severe headaches. You’ve had migraines. Right now they’re going. Right now they’re going in Jesus’ name.

SID: You know what I noticed? I’m an observer of the Holy Spirit. The moment you started praying there was a tangible presence of God. And isn’t it true that if you have the tangible presence of God and the Word of God that it’s like a chemical equation? It materializes. It’s the truth. That’s what you were talking about, Ken. It’s the truth. And I’m gonna tell you the truth right now. Here is the truth. You do not need an angel to show up in front of you with a big sign saying “Danger”. All you need is the truth. And Jesus said, “I am the way, the life and the truth. No man can come to the Father except through the son.” If you will, someone’s headache has just lifted in Jesus’ name. In fact in the head, whatever you need in the head area right now, hearing ears opened, deaf spirits leave, eyesight be restored, back be restored. Here’s the truth. Tell Jesus you’re sorry for your mistakes. Believe the blood of Jesus washes them away. And then say, “Jesus, I make you my Lord. Live inside of me.” And start living in the truth. Don’t live in something that will be a hundred years from now and won’t even exist. Stick with the truth. I like that. Don’t you?